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Post by George Carlin Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:35 pm

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NEW ZEALAND v BRITISH & IRISH LIONS  
24 June 2017
KO: 19:35 NZST (8.35am BST)
Eden Park, Auckland

Live on [Sky Sports HD]

Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
ARs: [tbc]
TMO: [tbc]

A. Head to Head

38 Played 38
29 Won 6
3 Drawn 3
6 Lost 29
634 Points 345

B. Recent Form

9 July 2005
Eden Park, Auckland
38 – 19 to New Zealand

2 July 2005
Westpac Stadium, Wellington
48 – 18 to New Zealand

25 June 2005
Lancaster Park, Christchurch
21 – 3 to New Zealand

3 July 1993
Eden Park, Auckland
30 – 13 to New Zealand

26 June 1993
Athletic Park, Wellington
7 – 20 to British & Irish Lions

12 June 1993
Lancaster Park, Christchurch
20 – 18 to New Zealand

16 July 1983
Eden Park, Auckland
38 – 6 to New Zealand

2 July 1983
Carisbrook, Dunedin
15 – 8 to New Zealand

18 June 1983
Athletic Park (Wellington), Wellington
9 – 0 to New Zealand

4 June 1983
Lancaster Park, Christchurch
16 – 12 to New Zealand

C. TEAMS:

NEW ZEALAND
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01. Joe Moody (25)
02. Codie Taylor (16)
03. Owen Franks (91)
04. Brodie Retallick (61)
05. Samuel Whitelock (85)
06. Jerome Kaino (78)
07. Sam Cane (41)
08. Kieran Read (97)

09. Aaron Smith (59)
10. Beauden Barrett (50)
11. Rieko Ioane (2)
12. Sonny Bill Williams (34)
13. Ryan Crotty (26)
14. Israel Dagg (62)
15. Ben Smith (61)

16. Nathan Harris (5)
17. Wyatt Crockett (59)
18. Charlie Faumuina (47)
19. Scott Barrett (5)
20. Ardie Savea (13)
21. TJ Perenara (30)
22. Aaron Cruden (47) / Lima Sopoaga (7)
23. Anton Lienert-Brown (10)

BRITISH & IRISH LIONS  
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15. Liam Williams – Scarlets, Wales, #833
14. Anthony Watson – Bath Rugby, England, #816
13. Jonathan Davies – Scarlets, Wales, #778
12. Ben Te’o – Worcester Warriors, England, #815
11. Elliot Daly – Wasps, England, #822
10. Owen Farrell – Saracens, England, #780
09. Conor Murray – Munster, Ireland, #790

01. Mako Vunipola – Saracens, England, #787
02. Jamie George – Saracens, England, #819
03. Tadhg Furlong – Leinster, Ireland, #818
04. Alun Wyn Jones – Ospreys, Wales, #761
05. George Kruis – Saracens, England, #817
06. Peter O’Mahony (capt) – Munster, Ireland, #832
07. Sean O’Brien – Leinster, Ireland, #796
08. Taulupe Faletau – Bath Rugby, Wales, #779

16. Ken Owens – Scarlets, Wales, #829
17. Jack McGrath – Leinster, Ireland, #827
18. Kyle Sinckler – Harlequins, England, #814
19. Maro Itoje – Saracens, England, #825
20. Sam Warburton – Cardiff Blues, Wales, #800
21. Rhys Webb – Ospreys, Wales, #820
22. Johnny Sexton – Leinster, Ireland, #791
23. Leigh Halfpenny – Toulon, Wales, #775


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Post by kingelderfield Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:49 am

You only get so many chances.......

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Post by Guest Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 am

123456789 wrote:
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marty2086 wrote:
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123456789 wrote:Not a big Williams fan, not a big Gatland fan, not a big Wales fan and I'd take Hogg nine times out of ten but my god Hogg would have to be at his absolute best to justify selection ahead of Williams.

Fair play Gatland.

+1 I just don't understand why Williams was at wing through the 6N. Wales could have turned some more games over with him at FB - formidable attack.

Because Halfpenny...

Laugh madness isn't it

Their next back three player is Cuthbert, who does a minority of things required to be an international at a barely acceptable standard.

Put bloody Halfpenny on the wing then! Or just blood Steff Evans (still referring to last 6N - anyway that's done now)

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Post by kingelderfield Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 am

Can our sub's bring an impact?

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Post by 123456789 Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:53 am

Is O'Mahony now the playing captain or is he just captain when Warburton isn't playing?

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Post by BamBam Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:54 am

Ergh

Sometimes just too good

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Post by alfie Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:55 am

Great AB scrum there seems to have gained them a try...

Waiting on the TV...

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Post by alfie Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:56 am

Yes. Going to be uphill now.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:57 am

AB's hammer us in our supposed area of expertise...Lions switched off yet again when the penalty was awarded. That was a half chance at best for NZ yet they gobble it up and put us to the sword. That's the biggest difference between these two teams...they will run away with this now.

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Post by Breadvan Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:57 am

Again with the offloading..... Shocked
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:59 am

That's not good from Kruis Sad Lions have gone to sleep now let's hope Sexton/Farrell can do something.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:03 am

Another turnover for the AB's...critical errors being made right across the field from the Lions now. Like a steam train that can't be stopped now NZ.

This is going to end up being a rout.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:07 am

Low error count from the ABs has allowed them to dominate possession in both halves of rugby.

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Post by alfie Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:07 am

Can't see any way back now. Way too many handling errors ; just cannot give these opponents gifts...

Could get ugly ...the scoreline especially.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 am

Had some really bright moments, but thats all they have been. Looked competetive for around 20 mins total game time...

But on the whole NZ have dominated us, more turnovers, less penalties, more territory, more carries and in this 2nd half its been made clear who has the stronger bench.

The frightning thing is that this Lions team could be out on their feet by the final game, when I would imagine NZ will be at their very best

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Post by Hood83 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:12 am

Oh FFS Owens!

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:13 am

Hate ref stoppages at the lineout, it usually goes astray.

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Post by Maine man Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:13 am

That is why you never change the hooker when it's your put in to the line out.

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Post by Hood83 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:14 am

That is pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:14 am

That has pissed me right off today; why do we always try for that last difficult pass. Sexton you Frak twonk!! Just poor decision making...that's been a frequent occurence right throughout the game.

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Post by Breadvan Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:14 am

mikey_dragon wrote:Low error count from the ABs has allowed them to dominate possession in both halves of rugby.

Yep. Far more composure but that's why they're so good...
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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:14 am

Well that was terrible. The Lions look tired.

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Post by BamBam Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

Ioane made the rapid Daly look like he was running in treacle

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Post by alfie Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

Oh dear...

One moment they're threatening the try line...next a couple of bad errors and its a score at the other end Sad

Bit of a nightmare the last half hour...

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Post by marty2086 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

All from a poor lineout call 5 metres from the ABs line

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

Well, we knew this might happen.
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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

If they are tired now then they are bang in trouble the next two games!

I have to say, as outstanding as NZ have been....I could have coached them and said exactly where they can capitalise today. Our issues have been plain and obvious throughout the tour...Gatland and the players have done nothing to stem those issues and today they have been taken advantage of as we all knew would happen.

I will guarantee that Gatland focuses mainly on how if we had taken our chances it would have been a completely different story; which is true in essence but is no where near being the main factor of this lesson in rugby


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Post by Hood83 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:16 am

Here's a question. I know this isn't really in the spirit of the Lions, but do you think any of the individual national teams would have done any worse than this? I think it's possible but far from certain.

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Post by RiscaGame Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:17 am

Lions look out on their feet. Some of them were done a while ago anyway.

Don't understand the hooker change when we had a lineout. Unnecessary pressure.

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Post by BamBam Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:18 am

So slow to support SOB

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Post by marty2086 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:19 am

BamBam wrote:So slow to support SOB

Not the first time in the game either, a few times players especially backs have just stood watching guys go into the tackle in isolation

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Post by RiscaGame Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:20 am

BamBam wrote:So slow to support SOB

Bit criminal by Sexton to pass and not follow him in.

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Post by Hood83 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:20 am

If there is one area I'd hope the Lions would talk to the refs about it's keeping an eye on the ABs being offside. I may be imagining it, and it may just be excellent line speed, but I'm not convinced they're onside an awful lot.

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Post by mid_gen Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:20 am

No other team is able to deal with the intensity for 80 minutes. A class apart.

Pressure has got to us.

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Post by Fanster Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:22 am

Tight 5 have been bullied and mugged, back line and backrow have shone when given a small platform, but it hasn't come!

Once the set peice was put under pressure we have folded...

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Post by marty2086 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:22 am

Hood83 wrote:If there is one area I'd hope the Lions would talk to the refs about it's keeping an eye on the ABs being offside. I may be imagining it, and it may just be excellent line speed, but I'm not convinced they're onside an awful lot.

They've been offside quite a bit, been a few times the guy beside the ref has been offside and he's not said a thing

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:22 am

Sexton has had a mare since coming on; difficult as game was already going away from us but he has forced almost everything

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Post by RuggerRadge2611 Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:23 am

Gotta give Biggar and Russell a shot on Tuesday, and next Saturday of they play well.
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Post by mid_gen Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:25 am

Sinckler is the only Lions forward that takes the ball at pace every time. Something the ABs do every time, just the basics.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:25 am

Fanster wrote:Tight 5 have been bullied and mugged, back line and backrow have shone when given a small platform, but it hasn't come!

Once the set peice was put under pressure we have folded...

Summed up perfectly...and that's the issue when a team relies upon one major strength; if the opposition can supress or completely nullify it then the game is lost. We have no sound Plan B or Plan C.

So...do we see wholesale changes occuring for next week? Who has lost their place in the team based off this..? Who deserves a start next time out?

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:25 am

Falatea is playing???? Just noticed.

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Post by mikey_dragon Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:27 am

That's the impact Webb can have. That score is so important going into next week. ABs much better today but I don't think the Lions played as well as they could have. Too much napping and too static.

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Post by alfie Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:27 am

Disappointing despite the consolation try , after a fine first half.

ABs seriously good. Lions had their chances but just didn't take them.

A lot to do next week.

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Post by Scottrf Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:27 am

Webb has to start. More danger than Murray in a few minutes.

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:28 am

I'll get blasted for this but I do think we could use Haskell to smash the ruck instead of trying to compete when we simply can't.

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Post by mid_gen Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:28 am

Webb needs to come on sooner.

Sexton offers nothing from the bench. Ditto Warburton. Ditto Halfpenny.

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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:29 am

Now we will see what Gatland is made of...he simply has to start Court & Itoje next test...

I imagine Warburton and Halfpenny will get the nod next game..

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Post by BamBam Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:30 am

We need more physicality in the pack

Haskell may not be a bad shout

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Post by Hammersmith harrier Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:30 am

On what basis are you dropping Williams for Warburton, he was our best player.

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Post by westisbest Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:32 am

Need to cut down the penalty count next week. Also the handling errors.
Last try was fortunate for them.
Williams should have caught it, but there you go.

13-8, in the game.
Showed some good breaks.

Not to many changes for next sat?


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Post by owen10ozzy Sat Jun 24, 2017 10:34 am

I'm not dropping him, definitely not, I think Gatland just might though..

I would like to see Webb...Haskell...Courts & Itoje all start next time out...I don't want to see Sexton anywhere near the team...he simply doesn't offer anything and his form even before this tour was questionable at best

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