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I figure a thread for cricket stuff from around the world that doesn't warrant a series-thread is useful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDW7hj1yfs


Found a video of the 1979 World's Fastest Bowler competition...sharing it here for the lack of another appropriate thread....

-- very interesting to see the numerical speeds of these larger than life Big fast bowlers from the previous era; Marshal wasn't in this competition for some reason

--a bit anticlimactic to see most of them short of 90mph......would imply we have a lot more faster bowlers in current era
OR
more likely it could be the measuring equipment /technology not quite as accurate as today and in my view measuring possibly 5kph less than it would today.

an interesting video

[quote="KP_fan"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDW7hj1yfs


"more likely it could be the measuring equipment /technology not quite as accurate as today" - almost certainly true

"and in my view measuring possibly 5kph less than it would today." - just your guess unless you have any evidence.

I suspect that this is what they call confirmation bias. You are probably convinced that there were lots of genuinely faster bowlers then than now. I think the opposite. Sure there were some very quick bowlers eg Harold Larwood, but, on balance, I think there are generally more really quick bowlers in more recent times.

Eyetoldyouso wrote:

KP_fan wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPDW7hj1yfs


"more likely it could be the measuring equipment /technology not quite as accurate as today" - almost certainly true

"and in my view measuring possibly 5kph less than it would today." - just your guess unless you have any evidence.

I suspect that this is what they call confirmation bias. You are probably convinced that there were lots of genuinely faster bowlers then than now. I think the opposite. Sure there were some very quick bowlers eg Harold Larwood, but, on balance, I think there are generally more really quick bowlers in more recent times.

You are right...it  could be confirmation bias too or it could be an error in measurement

Contradicting my own original argument.....I am inclined to look at the other possibility

i,e the yesteryear FAST bowlers weren't quite as fast as the FAST of today

>Just like Human bodies performance has evolved for athletes...its  evolved for all sports including batting and bowlers
for eg in 1978 the 100 meter dash for men was won at 10.07 sec and in the current era its 9.59 that's 5% better

> so if a fast bowler bowls at 145kph now ( 90mph) his equivalent at 5% less would have been 137.8kph in 1978

> and in the Bodyline era( 1932) the 100m dash was run in 10.3 seconds that's about 7.5% less than today
and so the equivalent of the 145kph bowler of today in that era would have been 134kph

> and given that even in 1979 Thommo was bowling 148kph and average of almost 145kph.....does confirm that he must have been very hard for the batsman whose body (reflexes) were less evolved compared to modern batsmen

https://twitter.com/TheCricketPaper/status/958409362804019200

I mean...really?!

jesus

Haha, on balance, I think my favourite dismissal is the first chap who just walks past the ball without even bothering to put on the facade of playing a shot. Incredible.

Looks like an Inzamam Ul-Haq greatest moments package.

BD smacked nearly 400 on D1 and 500+ in first inning and we were like
Wow

and Lanka is 500-3 and I am reminded of the test match in Colombo when Ind scored 500 and Lanka repied with 1000 runs ( 952 to be precise)

this test heading down trhe same road on a road of a pitch

These are the type of pitches where game should be called off already on D3 as its a futile excecise

KP_fan wrote:BD smacked nearly 400 on D1 and 500+ in first inning and we were like
Wow

and Lanka is 500-3 and I am reminded of the test match in Colombo when Ind scored 500 and Lanka repied with 1000 runs ( 952 to be precise)

this test heading down trhe same road on a road of a pitch

These are the type of pitches where game should be called off already on D3 as its a futile excecise

I differ a bit here. BD's record is quite fragile if you look the second innings. I am still on for their inning defeat tomorrow. 7 wickets and 119 runs. Lets see what comes first.

Naah it was a dead pitch

I'm glad I wasn't bowling on it

The England Lions off to a dismal start to the 2nd 'test',

Warrican took 8-34 to bowl the lions out for 145

The lions then reached 159-4 at stumps

Good game currently going on between Scotland and Ireland in Harare, all part of the World Cup qualification programme.

Ireland are 184/3 off 38 overs. My man Balbirnie (convinced he could do a job at first class county level) approaching a ton. Niall O'Brien just run out for 70. A couple of wickets for Jimbo's man Wheal who bowled very well up top.

Balbirnie made it to a century (105) and Ireland end up 271/9.

I would expect that to be enough but Ireland will be disappointed not to be be nearer 300. They too quickly ran out of steam and wickets following the departures of Balbirnie and Kevin O'Brien who typicalled thumped 46 off 27.

Although Scotland came back effectively in the closing overs, they lacked consistency before that and were too often careless with the ball and in the field. Wheal was the pick of the bowlers with 3/43 - my perception is that he's someone who too often sprays it around but that wasn't the case today, regularly bowling a brisk and tight line.

Ireland's total did indeed prove too many as Scotland were dismissed 25 short for 246 in the 48th over. Some decent fight from Scotland but good bowling from Ireland supported by some quality catching sees them home.

This result rather opens up things for World Cup qualification although it could ultimately lead to both these teams missing out.

Wonderful century from Brendan Taylor has Zimbabwe 202/4 with twelve overs left...

West Indies might be under a bit of pressure here .

Hi Alfie - just joined this game on Sky following your recommendation. Taylor's going a bit, isn't he?

Hitting them everywhere...

If he stays to the end it's going to be a healthy score to chase ! Not sure how strong the Zimbabwe tail is though if a wicket falls...

If the home team win this it will be West Indies v Scotland for the other qualifying spot , I suppose ?

And a wicket has fallen...a pretty lucky one for Holder , I think . Apart from going off the pad from well wide I'd have called it a no ball...

Might not be all bad for the hosts as the previously injured opener now resumes his innings.

alfie wrote:And a wicket has fallen...a pretty lucky one for Holder , I think . Apart from going off the pad from well wide I'd have called it a no ball...

Might not be all bad for the hosts as the previously injured opener now resumes his innings.

Yeah, on the no ball or not - I saw 2 frames, one looked very much a no ball, the other I wasn't sure ... oh well, gone now.

Zimbabwe now 254/7 off 45 with apparently a weak tail. They should kick themselves if they don't use all their overs.

Ah well ...all good things must come to an end. And with Taylor's departure after that brilliant knock Zimbabwe seem to be rather subsiding.
Still they should be getting 280 from here and that might conceivably do ? They can play without fear anyway as they have UAE to finish , do they not ? So I will be surprised if they fail to qualify.

I'd say Zim's strength is definitely their bowling too - their batting is very hit and miss. Albeit WIndies strength is definitely their batting!

Zimbabwe all out for 289 off the last ball of the 50 overs. They were looking at a few more when Taylor was firing but can't complain about that total. Barring any real heroics from one or two of the Windies batsmen, it should be enough.

Windies now looking very well placed. 18 runs off the last over to take them to 190/2 off 36. 14 overs to score 100 with 8 wickets left should be fairly straightforward for them ....

A few nervy stutters from the Windies as victory came nearer but they get home at the end of the 49th by 4 wickets. Samuels, Hope and Lewis all amongst the runs.

Great start for Scotland in the "qualifying final" as Sharif removed both Gayle and Hope for ducks.
Samuel and Lewis have pulled it back since for West Indies : 90/2 after 22. Nothing special as a run rate ; depends on how it develops I guess.

Scotland will be happy atm but it still could go either way. West Indies on 144/5 after 36.

All out for 198. Windies needed Gayle to fire, but he was out first ball.

Scotland will be confident, but it won’t be easy.

West Indies 198 all out in the 49th. For the second time this morning, I'll say it's poor and unprofessional not to bat all your overs. Great opportunity for Scotland ....

Scotland have given themselves a great chance restricting the Windies to under 200. It is now all about belief and remaining calm and preserving wickets. If Coetzer can play another skick innings of 50+ and be anly supported the unthinkable could happen.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Scotland have given themselves a great chance restricting the Windies to under 200. It is now all about belief and remaining calm and preserving wickets. If Coetzer can play another skick innings of 50+ and be anly supported the unthinkable could happen.

Craig - yep, you and your boys could be On The Buses to the finals!  

Calm heads as you say and maybe the odd bit of good luck along the way should do it.

They cannot afford to lose too many early wickets. If they are around 100 for 5 or worse I cannot see the lower order having enough there to withstand the pressure. Get to 100 for 3 at halfway and I would be very happy.

Uh oh. 6/1. Coetzer couldn't resist it.

Two down, but Scotland are keeping the scoreboard ticking.

And now three, I think that's the game. Poor shot from Jones, he was looking in good touch.

Hopes disappearing fast now. Scotland 25 for 3.

Three down and not looking good for Scotland , alas.

Probably only needs one big partnership and time isn't a big enemy ; but they are running out of top batsmen.

Getting too late for me so will retire in hopes of a successful chase...

A much-needed partnership to steady the rocking ship. At drinks Scotland are 51 for 3 with MacLeod and Berrington putting on 26. The run rate is pretty immaterial just now.

They're hanging in, Scotland, hanging in.

Shocker of a decision. 5 down.

But Scotland only need 94!

That looked a shocker of an lbw decision. Berrington goes for 33. Scotland 105 for 5 and need 94 more runs to play in the World Cup.

CaledonianCraig wrote:That looked a shocker of an lbw decision. Berrington goes for 33. Scotland 105 for 5 and need 94 more runs to play in the World Cup.

Craig - yeah, when I said earlier ''maybe the odd bit of good luck for Scotland along the way'', I was really meaning and hoping that you didn't come a cropper due to bad luck!

You are still in this with 84 needed off 16 overs. However, with only 5 wickets left, you are not favourites .... but I guess your road map shows that already.

Off for rain.

Scotland behind on DLS, but a reduction in overs would suit them.

Looks like rain will deny Scotland. Incidentally, had that last wicket not fallen, Scotland would be ahead on DLS.

Sport is cruel.

Gutted for Scotland. A sore way to miss out.

What a stinker for Scotland!

And all of us as the game was very interestingly poised. Where it was, I fancied the Windies to win but it was a long way from being certain.

The ICC’s incompetence has been massively highlighted by this qualifying tournament. They’ve actually done good work developing associate cricket in recent years, but the big wigs and fat cats have severely hampered that good work with this ridiculous World Cup decision. Clearly obvious as shown by this qualifying tournament that teams like Afghanistan, Ireland, Scotland, Nepal, Netherlands etc should be there, it is ludicrous that two full member nations in a Afghanistan and Ireland won’t even be there!

What a shame for the game. It hasn’t even shortened the World Cup by reducing the teams, which was the only half legitimate argument they had for doing it!

Also how can you not have a reserve day for rain. Playing in Zimbabwe in rainy season!

Also why no DRS? With DRS today quite possibly Scotland would have qualified via Duckworth Lewis win as Berrington's lbw decision was a stinker that was pivotal in changing the result.

My, my, just seen the result - the UAE beat Zimbabwe by a few runs.

It means the winners of Ireland/Afghanistan, both previously written off, will qualify for the World Cup.

Duty281 wrote:My, my, just seen the result - the UAE beat Zimbabwe by a few runs.

It means the winners of Ireland/Afghanistan, both previously written off, will qualify for the World Cup.

That is a shock ! (Just as well it wasn't Pakistan )

I seriously thought that one was a certainty for the hosts...they will be devastated. Lifeline for Ireland or Afghanistan...