Gatland - LIONS LEGEND

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LEGEND

Warren Gatland certainly splits opinion but love him or loath him no one should be surprised with how this tour is turning into a disaster.

Gatland is not a man manager, go and re-watch the 2009 Lions tour dvd, Gatland contribution on that tour was negativity, not once did he join in any team bonding.

When you only have a short time to bring together players to form one team you have to be able to manage that in a way friendships are made quickly.  Gatland isn't capable of that and struggles to buy into the idea that the Lions is about 4 Nations coming together. He also struggled when he took over the Welsh job and selected 13 players from one team.

He continued the same thinking in 2013 when the Lions crawled over the line against a very poor Aus team. Yes we won but the tour will not live long in the memory, in fact I've already forgot it apart from North lifting a player up whilst running.
I'm convinced the only reason BOD was dropped was to stick it to the IRFU (Gats former employer) I'm also convinced the only reason Robshaw was over looked to tour was to score points against the RFU by rejecting their Captain. (2017 was a repeat of this by not selecting Dylan)

2017 is turning into a classic way in which not to run a Lions tour, it even makes SCW 2005 effort look organized and well though out, we as Fans had so much hope going into this series. England smashing the Aussies in Aus and coming off the back of two 6 nations triumphs, we also had Ireland securing a famous win over the All Blacks and showing how to beat them and for once a strong, in form Scottish squad playing exciting rugby to pick from.


What did we get?
Gatland doing what he always does, picks what he knows even though they have been tried and tested and proven time and time again they are not up to the job against SH opposition, also moaning and placing blame elsewhere (clearly in his mind POM is the man responsible for the 1st defeat)
Even when he calls up some controversial squad members he refuses to use them saying he feels it would devalue the shirt after Fans and Pundits criticize him for doing so.

So why is anyone surprised Gatland has ignored form players in favor of the same old biased Poopie?  (Just to be clear AWJ & Warbs)

The man is a stubborn old has been that has let down Clowns everywhere.

mikey_dragon wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Wow isn't that a grown up post. We Scottish fans have already had a good dissection of that game. Plenty of reasons why we lost. A very light weight centre partnership, the climate (it was 29 degrees in the shade), home advantage Fiji are a great side and playing them at home is a challenge for any team more tier 1 nations should be playing them in Fiji.

What was most pleasing is that it gave Townsend a good look at some fringe players. When Scotland have all of their players fit do you really think we'll play a centre partnership of Horne and Grigg with Jackson at 10?

Townsend rightly had a wee experiment. Happy to lose a game like that if we learned stuff. Too often we have had good summers and good autumn tests. I'm glad Townsend had a wee play, he knows that didn't work and I doubt we'll see that combination again. Winning is all well and good but learning from these matches is more important. We had 2 cracking games where we were close to full strength, why not roll the dice for the 3rd match?

Yeah it was like you're lot going on and on about Japan. Yeah even Japan back then could beat Howley-McBryde type Wales team. Great isn't it?

You've lost me, what does Japan have to do with anything?

I think Mikey's point is that when Wales lost to Japan last Lions tour the knives came out on these boards about how sh*t we are/were, poor players, laughing at losing to such a lowly team, lack of depth, etc., etc. but when Scotland lose to Fiji it's just swept under the carpet as a learning experience and nothing to suggest that you're not still awesome. It's inconsistency in posting. Double standards.

Griff wrote:I think Mikey's point is that when Wales lost to Japan last Lions tour the knives came out on these boards about how sh*t we are/were, poor players, laughing at losing to such a lowly team, lack of depth, etc., etc. but when Scotland lose to Fiji it's just swept under the carpet as a learning experience and nothing to suggest that you're not still awesome.  It's inconsistency in posting.  Double standards.

To be fair Scotland did beat Australia on the same tour!

Also Fiji are I'd say a bit more dangerous than Japan were.



Profitius true, great CV but still has a laughably poor record vs SH sides with individual countries like Wales and Ireland.

Also his win % with individual countries isn't great. 47% for Ireland and 50% for Wales.

Well done Gatland. I think one of his great abilities is putting pressure on his opponents before kick off. A draw is a great result.

Griff wrote:I think Mikey's point is that when Wales lost to Japan last Lions tour the knives came out on these boards about how sh*t we are/were, poor players, laughing at losing to such a lowly team, lack of depth, etc., etc. but when Scotland lose to Fiji it's just swept under the carpet as a learning experience and nothing to suggest that you're not still awesome.  It's inconsistency in posting.  Double standards.

I certainly don't recall rubbing it in, and I seriously doubt any Scottish poster would have been rubbing it, well maybe Schiz but he hasn't been on since the indyref in 2014 .

When we played Japan last year it was a very tough couple of tests, both were very close. They are no mugs and neither are Fiji. They were tough in the RWC too.

Ireland seemed to hammer them perhaps they are regressing? But that makes no difference.

beshocked wrote:

Griff wrote:I think Mikey's point is that when Wales lost to Japan last Lions tour the knives came out on these boards about how sh*t we are/were, poor players, laughing at losing to such a lowly team, lack of depth, etc., etc. but when Scotland lose to Fiji it's just swept under the carpet as a learning experience and nothing to suggest that you're not still awesome.  It's inconsistency in posting.  Double standards.

To be fair Scotland did beat Australia on the same tour!

Also Fiji are I'd say a bit more dangerous than Japan were.



Profitius true, great CV but still has a laughably poor record vs SH sides with individual countries like Wales and Ireland.

Also his win % with individual countries isn't great. 47% for Ireland and 50% for Wales.

I agree with you here Beshocked, and I'm not defending it, but a little context is needed. When Gatland came to Wales the one thing he insisted we needed to do to improve was to play the 'Big 3' (no not, Scotland ) more often. He paved the way, via the WRU, to get more game time vs NZ, Aus and SA. So when you're a lowly team ranked anywhere between 4-9 in the world then it stands to reason that your win ratio might take a bit of a hit when you start playing the top sides in the world on a more regular basis. But it's sort of worked. While we have not got the beating of Aus for some reason we have been extremely close a number of times. We've beaten SA a couple of times too and were very close on the tour out there. So his aim of improving by playing them more I think has worked. The number of times we've played NZ, SA and Aus since Gatland came in vs how regular beforehand is quite a marked difference. But yes, his win rate does not look good. But hopefully that adds some context to it.

Scotland and Wales are pretty equal these days with Scotland just ahead by a whisker - either side would start at favourites at home.

Wales aren't a bad side, just Gatland hasn't been able to make a notable dent on tri nations without calling on Irish,Scottish and English players to give him a helping hand.

I think that's more the fault of Gatland than the Welsh players available.

The Welsh players seem to have fed off the other's belief against the tri nations with the Lions but Gatland hasn't been able to take that belief back to Wales.


AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

NZ didn't fear AWJ but putting Itoje next to him.... well that helped.

The other Welsh players also had players who've been there and done it. Winning big matches vs tri nations.



Gatland must now build on this experience and bring that belief into the Wales team.


Wales don't lack belief vs the likes of Ireland,England,France and Scotland.

Passion is not something Wales lacks, it's about bringing the fight to the tri nations.

Gatland must do that.

I said well done to Wales when they beat England in the RWC because you showed the fight necessary - need to show that vs the tri nations.

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

AWJ himself seemed to agree with this when he went to chant "Oh Maro Itoje" with the fans

beshocked wrote:To be fair Scotland did beat Australia on the same tour!

With a full squad of players.

Wales went out to Japan 4 years ago without about 14 first team players with the Lions, and another half a dozen injured, add to that McBryde was in charge, then we lost to the side that beat South Africa in the following world cup.

Move on 4 years, and Wales play both Tonga and Samoa without a raft of first team squad players and won both games, the one against Samoa even more impressive after Gatland called extra players up from the Welsh squad, and Wales played a full strength Samoa in Apia.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Wow isn't that a grown up post. We Scottish fans have already had a good dissection of that game. Plenty of reasons why we lost. A very light weight centre partnership, the climate (it was 29 degrees in the shade), home advantage Fiji are a great side and playing them at home is a challenge for any team more tier 1 nations should be playing them in Fiji.

What was most pleasing is that it gave Townsend a good look at some fringe players. When Scotland have all of their players fit do you really think we'll play a centre partnership of Horne and Grigg with Jackson at 10?

Townsend rightly had a wee experiment. Happy to lose a game like that if we learned stuff. Too often we have had good summers and good autumn tests. I'm glad Townsend had a wee play, he knows that didn't work and I doubt we'll see that combination again. Winning is all well and good but learning from these matches is more important. We had 2 cracking games where we were close to full strength, why not roll the dice for the 3rd match?

Scotland were nowhere near full strength for any of the 3 summer tests, particularly the Fiji test. That's what makes the Australian result impressive.
Against Fiji Townsend pick the most diminutive (comparatively and except Taylor) set of backs that he could have. Not a great idea against a team like Fiji but lessons will have been learned by Townsend. He's a beginner in international terms, but he does have a 100% record against the big 3 SH sides

LordDowlais wrote:

beshocked wrote:To be fair Scotland did beat Australia on the same tour!

With a full squad of players.

Wales went out to Japan 4 years ago without about 14 first team players with the Lions, and another half a dozen injured, add to that McBryde was in charge, then we lost to the side that beat South Africa in the following world cup.

Move on 4 years, and Wales play both Tonga and Samoa without a raft of first team squad players and won both games, the one against Samoa even more impressive after Gatland called extra players up from the Welsh squad, and Wales played a full strength Samoa in Apia.

Yes but a lot can happen in 2 years. Japan were a superior team in 2015. Just as they are a worse team now and in 2013.

Look at the difference in fortunes of teams from 2015 compared to now.

Wales should be beating the 13th and 15th best sides in the world even with an understrength team- not that impressive.

The resources that the wealthy NH sides have, we should all be doing well.

LordDowlais wrote:

beshocked wrote:To be fair Scotland did beat Australia on the same tour!

With a full squad of players.

Wales went out to Japan 4 years ago without about 14 first team players with the Lions, and another half a dozen injured, add to that McBryde was in charge, then we lost to the side that beat South Africa in the following world cup.

Move on 4 years, and Wales play both Tonga and Samoa without a raft of first team squad players and won both games, the one against Samoa even more impressive after Gatland called extra players up from the Welsh squad, and Wales played a full strength Samoa in Apia.

Would that be a full squad of players excluding Dickerson, R Gray, Laidlaw, Seymour, Hogg, Jones and Maitland?

The real impressive feat is you having the level of bluster that it takes to compare that Japan side to an Australia side including Folau, Hooper, Kuridrani, Foley, Genia, Moore, Sio and Kepu in the squad

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

More like AWJ was master and Itoje the apprentice. Itoje looked pretty good being carried by someone who's played in every single Lions test since 2009. Itoje might go on to replicate that, all thanks to AWJ.

David-Douglas wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Wow isn't that a grown up post. We Scottish fans have already had a good dissection of that game. Plenty of reasons why we lost. A very light weight centre partnership, the climate (it was 29 degrees in the shade), home advantage Fiji are a great side and playing them at home is a challenge for any team more tier 1 nations should be playing them in Fiji.

What was most pleasing is that it gave Townsend a good look at some fringe players. When Scotland have all of their players fit do you really think we'll play a centre partnership of Horne and Grigg with Jackson at 10?

Townsend rightly had a wee experiment. Happy to lose a game like that if we learned stuff. Too often we have had good summers and good autumn tests. I'm glad Townsend had a wee play, he knows that didn't work and I doubt we'll see that combination again. Winning is all well and good but learning from these matches is more important. We had 2 cracking games where we were close to full strength, why not roll the dice for the 3rd match?

Scotland were nowhere near full strength for any of the 3 summer tests, particularly the Fiji test. That's what makes the Australian result impressive.
Against Fiji Townsend pick the most diminutive (comparatively and except Taylor) set of backs that he could have. Not a great idea against a team like Fiji but lessons will have been learned by Townsend. He's a beginner in international terms, but he does have a 100% record against the big 3 SH sides

Not sure what you're tenuous link to Scotland is? Unless you just jump in when you see an opportunity to rubbish Wales which is typical of you lot. The Australian result was very impressive, but losing to Fiji the following week wasn't. If Wales did it we wouldn't hear the end of it on here. Townsend at 100%? Yeah 1 from 1, okay.... Anyway like I've been saying it's going to be interesting to see where they go under Townsend, I think they'll continue to improve.

mikey_dragon wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

More like AWJ was master and Itoje the apprentice. Itoje looked pretty good being carried by someone who's played in every single Lions test since 2009. Itoje might go on to replicate that, all thanks to AWJ.

mikey dragon sure whatever you say..... Keeping telling yourself that. If you say it enough you might truly believe it.

mikey_dragon wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

More like AWJ was master and Itoje the apprentice. Itoje looked pretty good being carried by someone who's played in every single Lions test since 2009. Itoje might go on to replicate that, all thanks to AWJ.

True Mikey, a perfect balance of warrior and apprentice. AWJ's true worth will never be understood by the non Welsh.

Gwlad wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

More like AWJ was master and Itoje the apprentice. Itoje looked pretty good being carried by someone who's played in every single Lions test since 2009. Itoje might go on to replicate that, all thanks to AWJ.

True Mikey, a perfect balance of warrior and apprentice. AWJ's true worth will never only be understood by the non Welsh.

Corrected that one for you

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

Gwlad wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:

beshocked wrote:
AWJ working with someone like Itoje who has a winning aura will have helped. The younger man giving the older one, the belief, you can do it! Like a youth helping an older man finish the marathon.

More like AWJ was master and Itoje the apprentice. Itoje looked pretty good being carried by someone who's played in every single Lions test since 2009. Itoje might go on to replicate that, all thanks to AWJ.

True Mikey, a perfect balance of warrior and apprentice. AWJ's true worth will never only be understood by the non Welsh.

Corrected that one for you

such a refined wit, I am sure you are the guy at dinner parties ho everyone wants to avoid.

Bit of pot and kettle there Gwlad, but what I changed it to is also true.

The only posters on this board that think AWJ is anything like the player he used to be are Welsh. Not one of the other countries posters have supported that thought, one or two have been okay with his selection, but they also thought that it was a close call and that others would have done just as good if not better job.

Yeah what are you talking about Gwlad. WELL-PAST-IT would never be invited to a dinner party.

Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

That's great - I understand your point of view though. I'm not fond of those lot in Cwmbran myself. It's a big shame you didn't hook up with a more classy bird from Newport, the situation could have been avoided.

Amazing how some think restricting a gene pool is natural.
On topic AWJ was in the side and that's all the stats will show - doesn't matter how he played. Nice bloke but his performances won't earn him legendary status.

The Great Aukster wrote:Amazing how some think restricting a gene pool is natural.
On topic AWJ  was in the side and that's all the stats will show - doesn't matter how he played. Nice bloke  but his performances won't earn him legendary status.

They will amongst those who have one iota of a clue abut rugby

He's already a legend in Swansea, so it won't change his status one iota.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

Very much doubt they were speaking Welsh in Cwmbran! Brains, weak tea and faggots. And speaking Welsh in one of the areas that speaks Welsh the least. Hmmm. Smells like a stereotype-based WUM to me!

Griff wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

Very much doubt they were speaking Welsh in Cwmbran! Brains, weak tea and faggots. And speaking Welsh in one of the areas that speaks Welsh the least. Hmmm. Smells like a stereotype-based WUM to me!

The grandparents may well have moved from a Welsh speaking area (as he said, the granddaughter did not speak it). Why they would want to move to Cwmbran is however quite beyond me.

As to the supposed attitude I can believe it. I am truly sorry for any Welshman who feels that they have been treated poorly in England because of their accent or where they came from, because, although it wasn't common, I did experience the reverse situation in Swansea.

As to the supposed attitude I can believe it. I am truly sorry for any Welshman who feels that they have been treated poorly in England because of their accent or where they came from, because, although it wasn't common, I did experience the reverse situation in Swansea.

I can honestly say, that I have not been treated that badly when in England due to my accent. Yes, I have had the odd jibe, and sarky comment, but nothing I cannot handle. I have a lot of English friends, well I would call them closer than friends, from Newcastle right down to Kent.

When Wales play rugby in England, I often stay or visit my friends in Kent. It's a lovely part of the world.

Going by your attitude on here I would suggest that the problem you had in Swansea was more to do with you and not an entire city or country. Perhaps you need to consider this. If you are not rubbishing the weather in Wales, or the people, it's something else. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder, which in all honesty, is probably why you were treated the way you were when you lived here.

Just consider this the next time you want to tell us how horrible Wales is.

Griff wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

Very much doubt they were speaking Welsh in Cwmbran! Brains, weak tea and faggots. And speaking Welsh in one of the areas that speaks Welsh the least. Hmmm. Smells like a stereotype-based WUM to me!

Griff, I didn't say they came from Cwmbran, I believe they originated further North, their accents where definitely not the stereotypical southern valley accent. The faggots I have to admit is a bit of stereotyping, but the Brains is true, never have liked the stuff. Plus it was 40+ years ago and therefore time has a bearing on memory. The general gist however is truthful, it sort of finished the relationship.

LordDowlais wrote:

As to the supposed attitude I can believe it. I am truly sorry for any Welshman who feels that they have been treated poorly in England because of their accent or where they came from, because, although it wasn't common, I did experience the reverse situation in Swansea.

I can honestly say, that I have not been treated that badly when in England due to my accent. Yes, I have had the odd jibe, and sarky comment, but nothing I cannot handle. I have a lot of English friends, well I would call them closer than friends, from Newcastle right down to Kent.

When Wales play rugby in England, I often stay or visit my friends in Kent. It's a lovely part of the world.

Going by your attitude on here I would suggest that the problem you had in Swansea was more to do with you and not an entire city or country. Perhaps you need to consider this. If you are not rubbishing the weather in Wales, or the people, it's something else. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder, which in all honesty, is probably why you were treated the way you were when you lived here.

Just consider this the next time you want to tell us how horrible Wales is.

I doubt he would have behaved that way in Swansea unless hiding......behind a keyboard
LIW is alright these days though. I guess nice guys like me and Gwlad have helped alter his perspective.

Griff wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well not in Wales anyway.

I was engaged to a Welsh girl once, took me to meet her grandparents in Cwmbran; they were perfect hosts, until they found I didn't have a drop of Welsh bloody, they completely ignored me for the rest of the weekend and spoke welsh all the time. Granddaughter was miffed too as she couldn't speak it, long weekend turned into a very short one. Not been back there since.

Brains and weak tea to drink and faggots to eat, never was my cup of tea (pun intended), plus too many l's and w's in everything. I'll be thankful I will never be invited to any dinner parties in Wales.

Very much doubt they were speaking Welsh in Cwmbran! Brains, weak tea and faggots. And speaking Welsh in one of the areas that speaks Welsh the least. Hmmm. Smells like a stereotype-based WUM to me!

Cwmbran is near Pontypool and it's where Ysgol Gwynlww is right? I've probably spelt that wrong, but it's the Welsh-speaking school. I didn't believe his whole story but found it vaguely amusing anyway.

I've been living in Swansea since 02 and only ever had grief from the clueless crowd who rock up at your local once every 6 nations, get lashed and have a pop because you're wearing a white top. Just laugh the daft off. Thankfully they're only a minority, even the coke head football boys don't bother anymore lol.

LordDowlais wrote:

As to the supposed attitude I can believe it. I am truly sorry for any Welshman who feels that they have been treated poorly in England because of their accent or where they came from, because, although it wasn't common, I did experience the reverse situation in Swansea.

I can honestly say, that I have not been treated that badly when in England due to my accent. Yes, I have had the odd jibe, and sarky comment, but nothing I cannot handle. I have a lot of English friends, well I would call them closer than friends, from Newcastle right down to Kent.

When Wales play rugby in England, I often stay or visit my friends in Kent. It's a lovely part of the world.

Going by your attitude on here I would suggest that the problem you had in Swansea was more to do with you and not an entire city or country. Perhaps you need to consider this. If you are not rubbishing the weather in Wales, or the people, it's something else. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder, which in all honesty, is probably why you were treated the way you were when you lived here.

Just consider this the next time you want to tell us how horrible Wales is.

I didn't have a chip on my shoulder when I moved to Wales, otherwise I would not have gone in the first place. You have obviously made your mind up about me on that point now (as I have about you).

All I can say is that I now live in the northwest of England. I have a southern accent. I find the locals very easy to get on with and never worry how opening my mouth might prejudice how people feel about me. If it was all down to me I'd have problems here too.

mikey_dragon wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

As to the supposed attitude I can believe it. I am truly sorry for any Welshman who feels that they have been treated poorly in England because of their accent or where they came from, because, although it wasn't common, I did experience the reverse situation in Swansea.

I can honestly say, that I have not been treated that badly when in England due to my accent. Yes, I have had the odd jibe, and sarky comment, but nothing I cannot handle. I have a lot of English friends, well I would call them closer than friends, from Newcastle right down to Kent.

When Wales play rugby in England, I often stay or visit my friends in Kent. It's a lovely part of the world.

Going by your attitude on here I would suggest that the problem you had in Swansea was more to do with you and not an entire city or country. Perhaps you need to consider this. If you are not rubbishing the weather in Wales, or the people, it's something else. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder, which in all honesty, is probably why you were treated the way you were when you lived here.

Just consider this the next time you want to tell us how horrible Wales is.

I doubt he would have behaved that way in Swansea unless hiding......behind a keyboard
LIW is alright these days though. I guess nice guys like me and Gwlad have helped alter his perspective.

Lets just say I have different views about you than I do about our friend in Canada, but I appreciate the thought