The Rugby Championship - Buildup

by Pete C (Kiwireddevil) Mon 24 Jul 2017 - 10:23

First topic message reminder :

Seeing as there's only 3 matches left in Super Rugby, time to start thinking about TRC

Fixtures:

The Australian squad are already in camp (except for their Brumbies' players), with all their Super Rugby commitments finished - Quade Cooper and Scott Higginbotham notable squad omissions, thought Quade may get a reprieve as Karmichael Hunt is out for the next 2 months

Wallabies Squad:

by alfie Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:44

eirebilly wrote:
alfie wrote:That's more like it ! Rona took that nicely

Bit like spitting into the wind , perhaps ; but something.

Oho ...and another !

Who has he signed for alfie?

Don't think he has yet ; confirmed he intends staying in Australia rugby. . . but maybe hasn't settled on a club yet.

ABs seem to have switched off a bit now and Australia making it almost respectable. Ease down for a bit and it can be very hard to get going again...

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:46

Barnes may have carded the AB player if Phipps had not called for that. I actually think that Phipps should have been carded for soccer style appealing to get another player sent off. That would set down a marker.

by Guest Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:50

eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:Don't recall saying that eirebilly. My view is that if it's your own player then it is an accident and it is play on. Naturally.

You did, you claimed that it was reckless and Murray should have seen a card for it. Not surprised you cant remember it when there is a similar incident involving the AB's though

Prove it

With that response, I just have

No you didn't thumbsup

by Guest Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:53

Wayne Barnes is in love with Australia

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:53

ebop wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:Don't recall saying that eirebilly. My view is that if it's your own player then it is an accident and it is play on. Naturally.

You did, you claimed that it was reckless and Murray should have seen a card for it. Not surprised you cant remember it when there is a similar incident involving the AB's though

Prove it

With that response, I just have
No you didn't

Ye know full well ye did. Don't expect anything else from ye thumbsup

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 12:58

Congrats to the AB's but very worrying signs at the way they switched off in the second half.

by Guest Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:01

eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:
eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:Don't recall saying that eirebilly. My view is that if it's your own player then it is an accident and it is play on. Naturally.

You did, you claimed that it was reckless and Murray should have seen a card for it. Not surprised you cant remember it when there is a similar incident involving the AB's though

Prove it

With that response, I just have
No you didn't

Ye know full well ye did. Don't expect anything else from ye

Do ye?

Ok, good on ye thumbsup

by alfie Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:01

So 54-34.

Australia fought back well second half but the spice had gone from the game before they started scoring...not sure how much we can read into that.

Dunedin next. Wallabies have it all to do...

by Guest Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:02

Disappointing win for the ABs

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:23

ebop wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:]
eirebilly wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Has Connor Murray been cited yet for reckless play?

It was mildly amusing to hear the crowd chanting "Off, Off, Off" when they say the relay on the big street.

If it had been a Crusaders elbow there would have been a red card and a subsequent citing for what was a complete accident. If World Rugby are serious about making the game safer then Murray should be cited. They're not of course because that would be ridiculous, so they should stop citing opponents for accidental contact and calling it reckless play.

I have absolutely no idea if you are being serious or if you are fishing...

Eh? , it is hypocritical of World Rugby to cite a player for say taking an opponent out in the air, yet if it was caused by a teammate that's fine. The trend in the Laws is to penalise more and more accidental collisions as though that in some way will make the game better. If a collision is accidental then it shouldn't be penalised irrespective of the colours of the shirts involved.

BTW some people take fishing seriously

Usual NH double standards

This is what I mean, more the Great Aukster so my apologies for directly aiming at you ebop.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:27

eirebilly wrote:Barnes may have carded the AB player if Phipps had not called for that. I actually think that Phipps should have been carded for soccer style appealing to get another player sent off. That would set down a marker.

Personally I thought Barnes dealt with the matter very professionally, I cant think how carding Phipps would achieve anything. Everyone knows Phipps is a d1ckhead you will never change him. remember last year when he pushed over the Argentinian Medic.

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:31

aucklandlaurie wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Barnes may have carded the AB player if Phipps had not called for that. I actually think that Phipps should have been carded for soccer style appealing to get another player sent off. That would set down a marker.

Personally I thought Barnes dealt with the matter very professionally, I cant think how carding Phipps would achieve anything. Everyone knows Phipps is a d1ckhead you will never change him. remember last year when he pushed over the Argentinian Medic.

I would just like to see referee's taking a strong stand point regarding players attempting to get others sent off. I hate it in soccer where a referee is surrounded by players waving imaginary cards. If rugby does not stamp this out early, rugby will go that way.

by aucklandlaurie Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:37

eirebilly wrote:
aucklandlaurie wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Barnes may have carded the AB player if Phipps had not called for that. I actually think that Phipps should have been carded for soccer style appealing to get another player sent off. That would set down a marker.

Personally I thought Barnes dealt with the matter very professionally, I cant think how carding Phipps would achieve anything. Everyone knows Phipps is a d1ckhead you will never change him. remember last year when he pushed over the Argentinian Medic.

I would just like to see referee's taking a strong stand point regarding players attempting to get others sent off. I hate it in soccer where a referee is surrounded by players waving imaginary cards. If rugby does not stamp this out early, rugby will go that way.

I'll tell you my little trick when it comes to soccer Billy, I've never watched a game in my life.

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:41

I used to love soccer, just cant watch it anymore. I simply fear the more money that goes into rugby the quicker it will turn like soccer did. Wish this cheating stuff could be nipped in the bud.

by Guest Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 13:51

eirebilly wrote:
ebop wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:]
eirebilly wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Has Connor Murray been cited yet for reckless play?

It was mildly amusing to hear the crowd chanting "Off, Off, Off" when they say the relay on the big street.

If it had been a Crusaders elbow there would have been a red card and a subsequent citing for what was a complete accident. If World Rugby are serious about making the game safer then Murray should be cited. They're not of course because that would be ridiculous, so they should stop citing opponents for accidental contact and calling it reckless play.

I have absolutely no idea if you are being serious or if you are fishing...

Eh? , it is hypocritical of World Rugby to cite a player for say taking an opponent out in the air, yet if it was caused by a teammate that's fine. The trend in the Laws is to penalise more and more accidental collisions as though that in some way will make the game better. If a collision is accidental then it shouldn't be penalised irrespective of the colours of the shirts involved.

BTW some people take fishing seriously

Usual NH double standards

This is what I mean, more the Great Aukster so my apologies for directly aiming at you ebop.

What do you mean? Clearly I was being facetious. I only have beef with borderline rac**t d1ckheads like gwlad that clearly have issues. There's no need to try and engineer a beef with me over nothing. People talk smack about the ABs I'll naturally give it back when appropriate. It's the game we play.

by kingelderfield Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 15:33

kingelderfield wrote:Ioane is undoubtedly the real deal and if maintains his upward curve will surely be the AB wing man to the WC and after. Excellent season for the Blues.

Wonderful talent and very lucky for the Lions that illness got the better of him.

Barring a couple Fijians at Toulon, this guy is probably top of the tree.

Which is great for the world game.

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 15:38

SA by 20 I feel. The Boks will just have too much. Also feel they will get a TBP.

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 15:59

eirebilly wrote:SA by 20 I feel. The Boks will just have too much. Also feel they will get a TBP.

You have more confidence in them than I do

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 16:13

Biltong wrote:
eirebilly wrote:SA by 20 I feel. The Boks will just have too much. Also feel they will get a TBP.

You have more confidence in them than I do

If it were in Argentina, I would certainly think it would be closer but in SA, solid win expected.

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 16:25

How could he not let the play unfold and then review that, that was a try. Very poor officiating there.

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 16:30

Poite is our favourite referee

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 16:42

That sums up our rugby, so busy but so useless

by Cumbrian Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 16:48

Brutal physicality in this game, I'm enjoying watching the biff.

Boks look a bit rudderless, I feel that that if they can find some direction they will put the Pumas away.

As I type, they score!

by Gwlad Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 17:44

ebop wrote:Hopefully it gets really messy because there's been an Aussie smear campaign this week that looks like its backfiring

The NZ team have been smearing themselves without anyone else help: SBW, Smith, Kaino. What next , will they discover Brodie Retallick is actually a girl? This would never have happened under McCaw's leadership, Read is weak by contrast.

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 17:49

Decent game of rugby between Boks and Pumas. Very physical. Plenty of mistakes though, but kudos to both teams they played with a lot of endeavour

by Mr Fishpaste Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 18:08

eirebilly wrote:SA by 20 I feel. The Boks will just have too much. Also feel they will get a TBP.

An accurate prediction...

by **Galted** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 18:14

Remarkable consistency of scorelines with SA, the last 4 international results have been:
37-14
37-15
35-12
37-15

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 18:18

Galted wrote:Remarkable consistency of scorelines with SA, the last 4 international results have been:
37-14
37-15
35-12
37-15

Yeah I was thinking about that just prior to us scoring the last try

by **George Carlin** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 18:19

Gwlad wrote:
ebop wrote:Hopefully it gets really messy because there's been an Aussie smear campaign this week that looks like its backfiring

The NZ team have been smearing themselves without anyone else help: SBW, Smith, Kaino. What next , will they discover Brodie Retallick is actually a girl? This would never have happened under McCaw's leadership, Read is weak by contrast.

I've dated worse.

by eirebilly Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 18:51

Feel very happy with my prediction of a SA win by 20 with a TBP

by **Biltong** Sat 19 Aug 2017 - 19:29

We don't get a try bonus point, you need to score 3 tries more than opponent

by bsando Sun 20 Aug 2017 - 10:39

Few things I've noticed, when did it become okay to pass slightly forward? So many wallabies and ab passes yesterday were clearly more forward than flat. Five, ten years ago I feel these would of been pinned immediately. I also saw some clearly non straight line outs, the usual angled rolling of the ball into the scrum. Then there's the breakdown and loose ball knock on's. even if it's a finger it's still a knock on no? I just feel to retain the beauty of the game the officials should consider tightening up on these small margins before we start seeing a full on NFL style game.

As for the wallabies, the talent is clearly there in the players but I am still lacking any faith in cheika and his coaching staff. I've said it before but he should be sacked as soon as possible. There are some incredible coaches out there who could tighten the wallaby defence and still retain the attacking threat but as it is now the wallabies are staring down the barrel of another embarrassing Quad nations result and most likely a poor NH tour as well. Simply because they are playing a leaky game plan and can't beat teams who know how to defend well and take their chances. I.e., any team ranked in the top 6-7 in the world. I'm generalising a bit but as far as I am concerned the wallabies could be ranked no.2 in the world with the squad they have.

by Gwlad Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 5:12

Both first and second and third NZ tries came off forward passes

by **George Carlin** Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 8:38

Gwlad wrote:Both first and second and third NZ tries came off forward passes

Agreed. What is the rule? Barnes always bangs on about it having to be a clear and obvious forward pass.

In other words, it gives the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team? Is that a formal direction to referees?

by aucklandlaurie Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 8:38

Gwlad wrote:Both first and second and third NZ tries came off forward passes

Were there two first tries?

by mikey_dragon Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 8:50

The one that they reviewed, I can't remember which, but I didn't think it was at all forward. Bad signs for Australia as per. To think your biggest rival can make you look so amateur-ish... It's like England vs Wales in the early 90s.

by No 7&1/2 Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 9:02

The defence by Australia was frankly embarrassing at times.

by mikey_dragon Mon 21 Aug 2017 - 9:17

Biltong wrote:We don't get a try bonus point, you need to score 3 tries more than opponent

Looks like you did to me. SA have started this season a lot better than last season.

by Gwlad Wed 23 Aug 2017 - 2:47

Smith had a good game, surprised he had the energy. Glad Kaino was sent home, not sure NZ can cope with any more scandals this week.

by Gooseberry Thu 24 Aug 2017 - 10:35

George Carlin wrote:
Gwlad wrote:
ebop wrote:Hopefully it gets really messy because there's been an Aussie smear campaign this week that looks like its backfiring

The NZ team have been smearing themselves without anyone else help: SBW, Smith, Kaino. What next , will they discover Brodie Retallick is actually a girl? This would never have happened under McCaw's leadership, Read is weak by contrast.
I've dated worse.

Someone call Danny Cipriani ...

by eirebilly Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 8:28

Morning all. Looking forward to this match. If the Aussies start how they finished last week then it could be very interesting.

by eirebilly Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 8:53

My goodness, what a start. The AB's on the charge with an overlap but beautifully read by Folau and a 80mtr intercept try for the Aussies.

by englishborn Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:13

Well seems the Wallabies are living of revenge quite nicely right now

by englishborn Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:13

0 - 17 Aus

by mikey_dragon Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:14

Jeez go on Aus, your country needs this!

by Pete330v2 Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:15

AB sphincters pulsating at the moment.
Australia having the dream start and a re firing on all cylinders while the ABs watch with a shocked faces. If anyone can come back and deal with this it's the boys in black but at the moment they are panicing.

by Guest Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:17

Should have been a YC there

Scored the try anyway I guess but poor from Owens

by Guest Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:22

Followed up by a good decision by Owens about there being nothing in that

by eirebilly Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:25

ebop wrote:Should have been a YC there

Scored the try anyway I guess but poor from Owens

Very little in either if I may be honest, good calls on both from the officiating team.

by eirebilly Sat 26 Aug 2017 - 9:27

Silly from Crotty there but not sure Folau was going to get that. Probably would have let play go on there myself.

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Day & Date	Match	Venue	Match Official	Kick Off (Local)
Week One
Saturday 19-Aug-17	Australia v New Zealand	ANZ Stadium, Sydney	Jerome Garces (FFR)	20:00
Saturday 19-Aug-17	South Africa v Argentina	Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium, Port Elizabeth	Romain Poite (FFR)	17.05
Week Two
Saturday 26-Aug-17	New Zealand v Australia	Forsyth Barr Stadium, Dunedin	Wayne Barnes (RFU)	19.35
Saturday 26-Aug-17	Argentina v South Africa	Estadio Padre Ernesto Marlearena, Salta	Pascal Gauzere (FFR)	16.40
Week Three
Saturday 09-Sep-17	Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth	Yarrow Stadium, New Plymouth	Angus Gardner (ARU)	19.35
Saturday 09-Sep-17	Australia v South Africa	NIB Stadium, Perth	Glen Jackson (NZR)	18.00
Week Four
Saturday 16-Sep-17	New Zealand v South Africa	QBE Stadium, Albany	Nigel Owens (WRU)	19.30
Saturday 16-Sep-17	Australia v Argentina	Nib Stadium, Perth	John Lacey (IRFU)	20:00
Week Five
Saturday 30-Sep-17	South Africa v Australia	Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein	Ben O’Keeffe (NZR)	17.05
Saturday 30-Sep-17	Argentina v New Zealand	Estadio Velez Sarsfield, Buenos Aires	Jaco Peyper (SARU)	19.30
Week Six
Saturday 07-Oct-17	South Africa v New Zealand	Newlands, Cape Town	Jerome Garces (FFR)	17.05
Saturday 07-Oct-17	Argentina v Australia	Estadio Malvinas Argentinas, Mendoza	Mathieu Raynal (FFR)	19.30
Extra Bledisloe Cup
Saturday 21-Oct-17	Australia v New Zealand	Suncorp Stadium, Brisbane	Wayne Barnes (RFU)	19.00