Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

I think bailly does look a good prospect, but he is pretty raw. The spurs pairing is probably the best in tge league as a partnership. I think mendy looks an immense left back, alonso also good, I think rose is better then bertrand though, when fit. I remember a time when full backs had to defend!

[McLaren]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society. There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in. We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

[raycastleunited]

Thanks Digs. I imagine the technical level is very good. Was there any pant wetting?

Personally I don't watch the over 50 golf tour either. I can see the attraction though if you are an older fan and have a soft spot for players you've followed for decades.

Also I've no interest in the Trilby tour on Sky (why watch hackers? I can't imagine why anyone would want to sit down in front of the telly and watch me play golf). Or non-league football, or Scottish football. The Championship is a better standard and ok to watch.

[raycastleunited]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

It's quite obvious you've never been hands on with anyone Mac.

If you're flirting with someone and you think she's up for it, how do you make a move? Someone has to initiate physical contact, make that leap of faith, traditionally the woman has waited for the man, I guess it's a confidence thing. What about dancing in a crowded bar or club, how do you do that without making contact? Sounds like a nightmare - glad I'm not single.

I think we're starting to see a lot of people retrospectively deciding that old incidents were unacceptable because they want to fit in and belong to the #metoo club. Which is sad because it totally detracts from the genuine cases of harassment which caused women distress.

[kwinigolfer]

Agree with that, ray.
Not to mention that there is often (frequently I'd say if it wasn't politically incorrect to say so) hands on and some degree of harassment the other way.
And it's not just teens and twenties doing it either . . . . . . .

[pedro]

Kwini has joined the #metoo club...

[raycastleunited]

Anyway, do you qpr fans take an interest in your teams youth products?

No, because if they're any good they'll leave before they get a chance to play for the first team. Eg Raheem Sterling.

Its good seeibg youngsters having spells in the lower leagues, think uou can tell a lot. Remember having Stephen Taylor from Newcastle years back, only played for a month and looked superb, he had a pretty good career in the premier league.

I agree, it's been the making of many young players.

Great example: Kyle Walker had half a season on loan at QPR when he was 20, and he was class, miles ahead of every other player on the pitch. And this was a decent QPR who won the Championship.

And also - congrats Ben!

[Diggers]

As with all these things I feel the general buzz around #metoo will blow over. I do think though that men (and women) in positions of power will hopefully be minded to think twice before abusing their power. Then again if you're of that mindset maybe you can't help yourself.

[raycastleunited]

Reading in the metro newspaper this morning, a member of the band McBusted (don't know if they sell quarter pounders) were talking about being groped by middle aged women, and the double standards of the mums doing the groping.

Kwini, that wasn't you was it?

[Diggers]

Congrats Ben, always nice to have them safe at home, can't say I enjoyed the whole birthing process, not a lot on joy in seeing your other half screaming in agony. I think I've been pretty much knackered permanently since my kids came along. On balance I'd say it's just about worth it though!

[kwinigolfer]

I'll have to google McBusted to see if they're guys or girls before answering that, ray . . . . . . .

PS: Agree with Diggers on that, Congrats ben

[beninho]

Cheers all, two weeks off work at statutory pay now. But as c section cant rely on the wife to do it all.

When I was late teens early 20's you wpuld go to bars and clubs and always try it on. Whether that was dancing up behind or just going for it, it was the way it wass, occasionally it worked. I can't understand how you are meant to get lucky without some sort of interaction in making a move, as long as you back.off if turned down. Glad I never made ut famous, god knows what would come out!

[beninho]

Spurs humping madrid. Impressive.

[kwinigolfer]

Yet more sexual harassment:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/11/01/oral-sex-plane/823168001/

Those 48-y-o rascalettes.

[McLaren]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

It's quite obvious you've never been hands on with anyone Mac.

If you're flirting with someone and you think she's up for it, how do you make a move? Someone has to initiate physical contact, make that leap of faith, traditionally the woman has waited for the man, I guess it's a confidence thing. What about dancing in a crowded bar or club, how do you do that without making contact? Sounds like a nightmare - glad I'm not single.

I think we're starting to see a lot of people retrospectively deciding that old incidents were unacceptable because they want to fit in and belong to the #metoo club. Which is sad because it totally detracts from the genuine cases of harassment which caused women distress.

I think it was pretty clear that "hands on" was a euphemism for a tad more than normal first move contact.

[super_realist]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

Mac, do you think people should be losing their jobs for something like touching a person on the knee 20 years ago? In Fallons case, Julia Hartley Brewer has said she wasn't remotely offended by it. It's crass of Fallon to have done it if there was no initial body language which would normally lead to contact but it's not a sacking offence.

Whatever happened to someone just apologising? Why does the entire world have to ask for the person to be sacked if they do the slightest thing wrong these days?

Minor incidences like this really trivialise sexual assault and genuine sexual assault is not something which we should be trivialising.

[Diggers]

Spurs humping madrid. Impressive.

Good result, maybe a good time to catch Real though. Big win for Citeh, Sterling was excellent in that game. I'd fancy one from Barca, PSG, Citeh or Bayern.

[beninho]

I really dislike fallon I really really dislike julia hb, if this involved a labour mp sge would make a much bigger fuss. I also think there must be more in the background on him.

[super_realist]

I don't like her rampant Brexit views, but don't mind her other than that. She's quite a good interviewer because she pulls no punches. Anyone that can humiliate Owen Jones (who is a bit like Mac if you don't know who he is) can't be all bad.

[navyblueshorts]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

Well, ****ing say you'd rather not have your knee patted then. FFS! Use the tongue in your head. Still, I suppose it's better if you make cowardly and unsubstantiated claims on Twitter etc that, in most cases, you can't possibly prove. Personally, I hope someone accused and who's had their career blighted sues.

Just to make it clear Mac, I'm not saying that if the claims against someone like Weinstein have substance, he shouldn't have the Book thrown at him. However, what happened to proof and innocent until proven guilty? Why are we fawning over social media claims as if they're evidence? It's pathetic.

[Roller_Coaster]

Roller - 6 points in 4 days from the top 2. 6 more points than I expected. Reasons to be excited?

No Ray. I view it as standard fayre (although granted we rarely pick up points against league leaders) we'll have a run of utter dross and a couple of "ooh, have we turned a corner" weekends will pop up. I am, however, a bit more comfortable in the team we've currently got and what Holloway has them doing.

I kind of expect us to peek out from behind the curtains at the top six, before sliding down to the threat zone before picking up in the last few games to secure a comfortable lower middle table finish.

Possibly one of the reasons for Roller_Coaster, although not consciously at the time!

[McLaren]

Fallon is still an MP and has not actually lost his job, only being relieved of his position as defense secretary. Lets assume this happened only because of repeatedly touching JHB's knee when asked not to, would this justify his demotion?

It is fortunate that JHB has not been overly effected by this incident but that was not a guaranteed outcome and other victims in the same position could have had a much more negative reaction to his molestation. It is not unreasonable then to relieve a man of his substantially import duties if there is reason to believe he could go on to molest more women. You have to think about future victims as well as those he has already created.


Navy

"Well, ****ing say you'd rather not have your knee patted then"

What other forms of sexual contact do you need a woman to list when you meet them so that you know not to start getting touchy rapey?

[raycastleunited]

can't say I enjoyed the whole birthing process

Me neither. The first one started on a Saturday night, I remember watching MOTD on a small screen sitting in an uncomfortable plastic chair then spending the whole night on that chair. Just a lot of waiting around and not much sleep. All 3 of my children were born on a Sunday, meaning I missed out on golf for a whole weekend.

Some people are so inconsiderate...

[raycastleunited]

Roller - 6 points in 4 days from the top 2. 6 more points than I expected. Reasons to be excited?

No Ray. I view it as standard fayre (although granted we rarely pick up points against league leaders) we'll have a run of utter dross and a couple of "ooh, have we turned a corner" weekends will pop up. I am, however, a bit more comfortable in the team we've currently got and what Holloway has them doing.

I kind of expect us to peek out from behind the curtains at the top six, before sliding down to the threat zone before picking up in the last few games to secure a comfortable lower middle table finish.

Possibly one of the reasons for Roller_Coaster, although not consciously at the time!

Wow Roller, it's like you have a crystal ball. Or actually that just reflects pretty much every season

Where we are right now, Holloway is a good manager. He won't get us promoted, but we don't have the squad (or the budget to build a squad) to make promotion a possibility so it's a moot point.

[raycastleunited]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

It's quite obvious you've never been hands on with anyone Mac.

If you're flirting with someone and you think she's up for it, how do you make a move? Someone has to initiate physical contact, make that leap of faith, traditionally the woman has waited for the man, I guess it's a confidence thing. What about dancing in a crowded bar or club, how do you do that without making contact? Sounds like a nightmare - glad I'm not single.

I think we're starting to see a lot of people retrospectively deciding that old incidents were unacceptable because they want to fit in and belong to the #metoo club. Which is sad because it totally detracts from the genuine cases of harassment which caused women distress.

I think it was pretty clear that "hands on" was a euphemism for a tad more than normal first move contact.

No it wasn't

[navyblueshorts]

Fallon is still an MP and has not actually lost his job, only being relieved of his position as defense secretary.  Lets assume this happened only because of repeatedly¹ touching JHB's knee when asked not to, would this justify his demotion?

It is fortunate that JHB has not been overly effected by this incident² but that was not a guaranteed outcome and other victims in the same position could have had a much more negative reaction to his molestation.  It is not unreasonable then to relieve a man of his substantially import duties if there is reason to believe he could go on to molest more women.  You have to think about future victims as well as those he has already created.

¹I haven't been arsed to read JHB's actual quotation on what Fallon is alleged to have done, but does she actually say "repeatedly" or are you making that up? In answer anyway, IMO, I don't think it does justify his demotion.
²Seriously? You know what the phrase 'over-egging the pudding' means I hope? One of only good things about Brexit - a new meaning for the word 'snowflake'.

Navy  

"Well, ****ing say you'd rather not have your knee patted then"

What other forms of sexual contact do you need a woman to list when you meet them so that you know not to start getting touchy rapey³?

³ For Heaven's sake, stop the stupid exaggerations.

Oh, I'm all confused now. I don't think I'll ever touch a woman, at all, apart from my wife, daughter or mother ever again. If I shake hands I'll probably be accused of harassment. No more hugs of friends, even if she initiates it - I might be being entrapped.

You miss the points and massively exaggerate, as usual, it would seem. Never mind.

[pedro]

Navy, why don't you convert to Islam...

[beninho]

We've all hit on girls in bars and clubs and probably beeen a bit hands on, im sure.

No, I have never been "hands on" as you put it.


In general the amount of people coming forward with all sorts of sexual harassment and assault stories just shows how pervasive the issue is in our society.  There is no point brushing off the more "minor" claims as irrelevant because they are still situations the victim did not want to be in.  We should all reflect that the boundaries for sexual contact are not where we thought they were.

It's quite obvious you've never been hands on with anyone Mac.

If you're flirting with someone and you think she's up for it, how do you make a move? Someone has to initiate physical contact, make that leap of faith, traditionally the woman has waited for the man, I guess it's a confidence thing. What about dancing in a crowded bar or club, how do you do that without making contact? Sounds like a nightmare - glad I'm not single.

I think we're starting to see a lot of people retrospectively deciding that old incidents were unacceptable because they want to fit in and belong to the #metoo club. Which is sad because it totally detracts from the genuine cases of harassment which caused women distress.

I think it was pretty clear that "hands on" was a euphemism for a tad more than normal first move contact.

No it wasn't

What do you think I meant by hands on, because if you thought it was any different to what is nentioned above, you have misunderstood what I meant, probably deliberately.

[raycastleunited]

Oh, I'm all confused now. I don't think I'll ever touch a woman, at all, apart from my wife, daughter or mother ever again. If I shake hands I'll probably be accused of harassment. No more hugs of friends, even if she initiates it - I might be being entrapped.

You miss the points and massively exaggerate, as usual, it would seem. Never mind.

That's not good enough Navy. In Mac's world, hugging your daughter is sexual harassment if you haven't received advance confirmation in writing from her that it is ok. And acceptance of previous hugs is no indication that a future hug is acceptable.

Although, also in Mac's world, hugging your daughter is clearly a euphemism for a tad more.

[dynamark]

Having to be very careful reading this thread with the football and sexual harassment mixed together !
JHB looks to be able to look after herself OK.Even May and Benj Net had an arm on each other for photo call today.Many girls I know will expect to greet with a peck on the cheek/hug and it does surprise you when its not expected others not so .The younger folk are very tactile generally in modern times.Houses of Parliament just need a proper procedure in place as exists in most organisations.

[raycastleunited]

0.25% interest rate rise in the UK today, first rise in 10 years. Not a surprise - well signalled to the market for several months but still saw GBP slump against EUR and USD.

Bigger worry is that it looks like the government may have to publish its brexit impact analysis. It won't be good news.

[Diggers]

[McLaren]

Ben

I thought you were using it as a euphemism, if not then I misunderstood your post.

Navy

I think the reports say "kept touching her knee", repeatedly seems like an ok synonym.

[Be_the_ball]

Patrice Evra, "lets kick racism out of football".
Literally...

[beninho]

So Angela Leadsom has drummed something up about Fallon. Still doesn't seem like a resigning reason though. Leadsom trying to manoeuvre herself up the party ready for another crack at the top job.

[navyblueshorts]

Oh, I'm all confused now. I don't think I'll ever touch a woman, at all, apart from my wife, daughter or mother ever again. If I shake hands I'll probably be accused of harassment. No more hugs of friends, even if she initiates it - I might be being entrapped.

You miss the points and massively exaggerate, as usual, it would seem. Never mind.

That's not good enough Navy. In Mac's world, hugging your daughter is sexual harassment if you haven't received advance confirmation in writing from her that it is ok. And acceptance of previous hugs is no indication that a future hug is acceptable.

Although, also in Mac's world, hugging your daughter is clearly a euphemism for a tad more.

Actually, thinking about it, I better not touch a man again either. Is it an offence to stroke my cat??

[navyblueshorts]

A bit frivolous of you Diggers...

[beninho]

Oh, I'm all confused now. I don't think I'll ever touch a woman, at all, apart from my wife, daughter or mother ever again. If I shake hands I'll probably be accused of harassment. No more hugs of friends, even if she initiates it - I might be being entrapped.

You miss the points and massively exaggerate, as usual, it would seem. Never mind.

That's not good enough Navy. In Mac's world, hugging your daughter is sexual harassment if you haven't received advance confirmation in writing from her that it is ok. And acceptance of previous hugs is no indication that a future hug is acceptable.

Although, also in Mac's world, hugging your daughter is clearly a euphemism for a tad more.

Actually, thinking about it, I better not touch a man again either. Is it an offence to stroke my cat??

Just never call the cat a pssy and you will be fine.

[navyblueshorts]

Oh, I'm all confused now. I don't think I'll ever touch a woman, at all, apart from my wife, daughter or mother ever again. If I shake hands I'll probably be accused of harassment. No more hugs of friends, even if she initiates it - I might be being entrapped.

You miss the points and massively exaggerate, as usual, it would seem. Never mind.

That's not good enough Navy. In Mac's world, hugging your daughter is sexual harassment if you haven't received advance confirmation in writing from her that it is ok. And acceptance of previous hugs is no indication that a future hug is acceptable.

Although, also in Mac's world, hugging your daughter is clearly a euphemism for a tad more.

Actually, thinking about it, I better not touch a man again either. Is it an offence to stroke my cat??

Just never call the cat a pssy and you will be fine.

Ah! Good point.

Just to illustrate how the world has moved on (despite Mac's perceptions), when I was a kid of ~8 (~43 years back), the first cat (a black moggy) my parents got for my brother and I was called 'Sammy'.....although the person we picked him up from said they'd called him 'Sambo' (). We went with 'Sammy' for the rest of his life.

[McLaren]

Sammy is miles away from sambo after all.

[Roller_Coaster]

Well, it is.

[McLaren]

Prosecutors are seeking a longer jail term for Pistorius http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-41858067

But from the article here is how the court justified Pistorius's current sentence.

The lower court justified deviating from the prescribed 15-year sentence by saying mitigating circumstances such as rehabilitation and remorse outweighed aggravating factors such as his failure to fire a warning shot.

What about the aggravating factor of shooting your girlfriend at point blank while she was on the bog?

[navyblueshorts]

Sammy is miles away from sambo after all.  

Jesus H Christ! Were you born this way or have you acquired multiple post-graduate qualifications in being ridiculous? We were kids. Sammy is Sammy, although I now realise it's a really commonly used pejorative for black people .

[navyblueshorts]

Patrice Evra, "lets kick racism out of football".
Literally...

I think he has history as a bell-end, so this is right in-character I think.

[McLaren]

Navy I assumed your parents got some laughs out of a joke that would have been common at the time. I am not implying you are racist or anything. But there's no way your parents didn't know what calling a black kitteh Sammy meant.

[super_realist]

How about making contact with someone on the sports field? Is that now to be a sexual offence?

Quick, Sack the Sunday League Footballer.

Mac, What is wrong with calling a black cat Sammy? Sammy isn't even a derivative of the word Sambo, and I think it's a perfectly good substitute when the previous owner called it Sambo.

[Diggers]

I got a girl in my class called Sammy...and she's black! We're her parents having some kind of sick joke???

[pedro]

Sammy Davis Jr. was black and short. How demeaning is that?

[Diggers]

Sammy Davis Jr. was black and short. How demeaning is that?

Don't forget Jewish.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy I assumed your parents got some laughs out of a joke that would have been common at the time. I am not implying you are racist or anything. But there's no way your parents didn't know what calling a black kitteh Sammy meant.

Your assumptions about my parents are pretty daft. Please also bear in mind that this was >40 years ago in the mid/late 70s. From what I recall, the Black and White Minstrel Show was still being shown on the BBC! Please don't apply 2017 morals to ~1975; it's stupid.

[raycastleunited]

I got a girl in my class called Sammy...and she's black! We're her parents having some kind of sick joke???

What did you get her? I hope the answer isn't pregnant.

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