Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

I think bailly does look a good prospect, but he is pretty raw. The spurs pairing is probably the best in tge league as a partnership. I think mendy looks an immense left back, alonso also good, I think rose is better then bertrand though, when fit. I remember a time when full backs had to defend!

[McLaren]

Super

I would really hope that no one ever chooses you to confide in about being sexually assaulted. The Hitchens-esque demand for evidence might make it a pretty harrowing situation.

Accepting that someone you know has been sexually assaulted is not the same accepting religious doctrine about how the universe functions.

[westisbest]

If you want to see a light footed Irishman you should go and watch Riverdance.

Be more entertaining than watching that last night sadly.

[super_realist]

Super

I would really hope that no one ever chooses you to confide in about being sexually assaulted.  The Hitchens-esque demand for evidence might make it a pretty harrowing situation.

Accepting that someone you know has been sexually assaulted is not the same accepting religious doctrine about how the universe functions.

Mac, once again you fail to READ. I referred very clearly to SEXUAL HARRASSMENT. That is very different to sexual assault.

Your boss (if you have one) must always pull you up on your dreadful comprehension. No wonder you don't have a good job.

[McLaren]

Doesn't the point still stand.

But if it doesn't please respond to the corrected version below.


I would really hope that no one ever chooses you to confide in about being sexually harassed. The Hitchens-esque demand for evidence might make it a pretty harrowing situation.

Accepting that someone you know has been sexually harassed is not the same accepting religious doctrine about how the universe functions

[super_realist]

Mac, If someone came to me with such a claim, it doesn't mean I wouldn't be sympathetic, but I don't think I'd necessarily believe it immediately, especially in light of recent claims being aired in some pretty weird places.

I would first have to find out what their definition of the act is. If for example, some people are claiming being "leered" at is sexual harassment I doubt I would waste much time over it. Similarly if someone had been propositioned I doubt I'd consider that to be an especially harrowing ordeal.

Your virtue signalling stance on every single issue in the world is pretty hilarious Mac.

There's a couple of really good YouTube videos which describe exactly the type of person I perceive you to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SW7jszRrI60&t=556s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPaQPWfqjmw

[McLaren]

I couldn't stomach more than a minute or so of those videos but I get that you have an issue with millennials right? Why don't you outline what you think is wrong with millennials and more specifically my millennialism? I am not interested in some random guy on youtubes opinions on this I would rather hear yours.

[super_realist]

I don't have an issue with millennials Mac per se Mac, I just have an issue with millennials thinking they've got it tough and how they think you have to be offended about anything to the point of curtailing free speech. Some of their views are borderline fascist. I also see something in them when they think that things need to be provided for them, and that they think that having a degree thinks you should walk into a 50k job at 23.

You should actually view more of Brendan O' Neil, I know you find it impossible to listen someone who you don't agree with 100%, but he makes some excellent points, even if I don't agree with his views on Brexit for example, but you've long demonstrated you aren't mature enough to do that so I don't hold out any hope that you might be able to look at how someone else views things.

Part of your problem is precisely that you can't sit through someone else's views, so you prove you haven't got an open mind and even  well reasoned arguments won't get you to even consider changing your mind, it's your way, or not at all, and that's a trait which is very symptomatic of the relatively privileged white, middle class millennial.

[Davie]

it's your way, or not at all....

Miss pot meet Mr grimey ar$e

[navyblueshorts]

Doesn't the point still stand.

But if it doesn't please respond to the corrected version below.


I would really hope that no one ever chooses you to confide in about being sexually harassed.  The Hitchens-esque demand for evidence might make it a pretty harrowing situation.

Accepting that someone you know has been sexually harassed is not the same accepting religious doctrine about how the universe functions

You don't get to pick and choose what requires good evidence and what just requires word-of-mouth. You're totally forgetting (conveniently/deliberately) what it means for someone to be accused, in public, with sexual harassment/assault on the basis of little/no evidence.
You bang on about 'The Scientific Method' so often, and yet it appears you don't actually know what any of that means.

[McLaren]

Simples. Don't get accused of sexual assault.  

[navyblueshorts]

Simples. Don't get accused of sexual assault.  

Well, yes, that would work of course. However, as we know, it happens and so it should be the case that we (the Police, that is) require some decent evidence that what's claimed, actually occurred.

[McLaren]

Are you a copper Navy?


When it comes to deciding how to deal with sexual assault/harassment allegations, however you think that should be done, the rarity of false allegations means that the system for reporting and investigating should be biased towards assuming the victim has actually be assaulted/harassed.

[beninho]

Rarity of false accusations? Are you a copper mac, whats your knowledge of sex crime reporying? My sister works in sex crime, there are a lot of false reports, some out of regret.

Aled jones accused of inappropriate texts over a decade back, this whole thing is now diluting the reports which started this.

[navyblueshorts]

Are you a copper Navy?


When it comes to deciding how to deal with sexual assault/harassment allegations, however you think that should be done, the rarity of false allegations means that the system for reporting and investigating should be biased towards assuming the victim has actually be assaulted/harassed.

Nope, just a sensible(ish) bloke who expects to see people treated fairly. Guess we're different on that score...

[super_realist]

Are you a copper Navy?


When it comes to deciding how to deal with sexual assault/harassment allegations, however you think that should be done, the rarity of false allegations means that the system for reporting and investigating should be biased towards assuming the victim has actually be assaulted/harassed.

NO NO EFFING NO!!!!

Mac, do you not understand the law in the slightest? There cannot be ANY ASSUMPTION that anyone is telling the truth until it can be proven to be so, and favouring one side on the basis of statistics is retarded beyond belief, even for you.

Jesus Effing Christ Mac., you claim to be an intelligent person, who also tells us he has an MSc, yet I don't think I've ever heard from anyone your age who is so green and such an ingénue. Let's hope you are never up on a false charge.

The whole point of the law is that it shows no fear or favour to ANYONE, until any accusations can be PROVEN. You cannot go in favouring one side over the other.

It doesn't matter a toss if a million claims in a row have all favoured the one making the claim, the next case deserves to be treated as if those cases have never happened.

Courts and the law simply aren't set up your way, because being biased is PRECISELY what British Law is set up to counter, so that every case is judged on its merits, not what has happened in other cases, or what the statistics say about "false allegations".

You say some pretty stupid things, but you have really outdone yourself here.  How can someone who makes such poorly thought out statements ever claim to be intelligent?

Imagine you are that million and first case and you are falsely accused of harassment or assault. Just how much would you prefer to law to be loaded against you before the case is even heard?

Thought not. Thank goodness you aren't in a position of any responsibility if you think like that, and its no wonder you aren't.

[Diggers]

The joys of being a Mackem, another record for Sunderland. First side in English history to go 20 home games without a win. Not sure what is more amazing, that we can be that bad, or that over 27,000 still turned up to watch!

[kwinigolfer]

Wonder which gig Chris Coleman would have preferred:
Sunderland who, hopefully, can only go up (the table at least)?
or:
WBA who, you'd think, could easily go down?
Though plenty are in that competition.

[super_realist]

The joys of being a Mackem, another record for Sunderland. First side in English history to go 20 home games without a win. Not sure what is more amazing, that we can be that bad, or that over 27,000 still turned up to watch!

I did wonder why Coleman would take on such a terrible team that looks like it's going to go straight through another division. If it wasn't for how bad Palace are people would be laughing their heads off at Sunderland more than they already are.

Coleman could easily have held off for a better job than a team as dismal and hopeless as Sunderland. He's either extremely confident of his ability, or a complete moron.

[Diggers]

Things can change very quickly in that league SR. I like Coleman, but in reality he's achieved very little as a club manager. I'd be willing to bet a reasonable amount we won't go down, having watched Palace a few times lately I'm tempted to put a little wager on that they'll stay up.

[super_realist]

Can't see that at all Diggers, at their current point rate they'll get 17 points at best. That's atrocious, even if they get 30 which seems highly unlikely, especially when you have no strikers, they're more doomed than the latest 9C comeback.

Coleman seems a better manager than Wodgson has been in the last 10 years though, surprised he decided to go with dross like Sunderland.

[beninho]

I still stick with my view from way back, palace wont go down, no.one took me up.on my offer to bet.. Happy to bet they will get more then 17 points.

Coleman is a championship manager at best. He cant get bale to Sunderland so will likely struggle.

[super_realist]

They might well get more than 17 points, but they're already almost a third into the season and they've only got 5 points. There's only 26 games left, and at present they're only getting 0.41 points per game. Do you really think it's realistic they can get out of trouble?

They'd have to improve their current rate dramatically to get to 30 points, which has never been enough to survive. What makes you think they're capable of doing that? They've got a lopsided squad and a truly hopeless, out of touch manager.

[beninho]

But they are improving its pretty clear, since october a win 2 draws and 2 defeats, both away. They have sone winnable games coming up, and considering about 14 teams can beat each other the group is bunched. Only 5 points off safety after such a poor start shows how tight it will be.

So many average teams in the bottom 14. Brighton and stoke both looked pretty poor tonight.

[kwinigolfer]

Still think Soton & Huddersfield will be down among the dead men by New Year - Saints in particular have a torrid few games after this weekend vs Everton. They can't score goals against the strugglers so you'd have to be concerned about them against the top clubs. Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Man Utd again coming up in their next seven or so games, four of 'em away.

[super_realist]

Beninho, it doesn't matter if they appear to be "improving" they need to radically improve to a point where they are in Champions League qualifying form. How likely is it you can go from being the worst team in the league to top 4 form is incredibly unlikely. I know Leicester did it under Pearson, but Palace are much much worse than they were and they were never as low down the league.  Add to that they've got a hopeless manager in Wodgson who hasn't had a decent run of form for almost a decade.

Even in a year when there are so many poor teams and survival might be gained with as low as 36 points, can you really see Palace getting 31 points from 26 games when they've only got 5 from 12 so far? Not a chance. They would have to improve by more than 300%

In golfing parlance, they're 4 down after 6.

[beninho]

Normally, a team that has such a bad start would ve well adrift a pretty much doomed, but looking at the league it's not the case. Swansea look poor, both teams of the west are poor, everton are poor, huddersfield will go down. Newcastle, brighton, southampton could all be in the mix quite easily, I would think Leicester and stoke should be ok but not a given. Burnley and watford should be fine as they have made the most of the mediocrity and got some points on the board.

All these teams can win lose or draw against each other meaning it will be interesting.

At the top city look superb, will they keep it up, I hope so as I don't want mourinho to win it!

[McLaren]

How come a few of you are so convinced Huddersfield will go down?

[Roller_Coaster]

I was, but now they are looking a little bit like "Burnley light" a togetherness that might outweigh the so-called bigger and better name players in the clubs around them. I would guess it's still stacked against Huddersfield but they have certainly proved not to be the whipping boys many assumed them to be. Yet.

Wonder how long it'll be before "too good to go down" comes out in respect of the "bigger" teams struggling? Always a chuckle.

[beninho]

Think Huddersfield will go down, as you see it so often with newly promoted teams, they have a good start to the season, then gradually the squad gets stretched and they go on a bad run. Them, Brighton and Newcastle are all in danger of a plunge in the second half of the season.

Though, it may not happen.

[kwinigolfer]

How come a few of you are so convinced Huddersfield will go down?

Mac,
They don't score goals, except against Man Utd of course. 8 in 12 games is pretty dire, and now they host Man City, then travel to Arsenal. Some 6-pointers after that but if they can't score it won't do them much good.

[McLaren]

Fair enough. I just didn't notice them being any worse than WH, Swansea, CP., Brighton, WB. 

If Newcastle get taken over you would think they would bolster the team in January to ward off going straight down and ruining the value of the new purchase.

[McLaren]

Kwini 

I am already worried about utd getting pumped by city. Pep will try and make a point while Jose is fiddling about trying to scrape a pointless draw.

[Diggers]

I think Citeh will be tested now. Stones is a big loss, he plays the ball out so well for them. If they are light anywhere its centre back cover. Personally, I think Kompany will struggle against top drawer players, and that's if we stays fit. They should still win the league but the games against the other big clubs should be interesting.

[kwinigolfer]

Kompany could easily have been kicked out early VS Leicester when he hacked down Vardy - sign of things to come.

[super_realist]

How come a few of you are so convinced Huddersfield will go down?

Mac,
They don't score goals, except against Man Utd of course. 8 in 12 games is pretty dire, and now they host Man City, then travel to Arsenal. Some 6-pointers after that but if they can't score it won't do them much good.

The promising thing about Huddersfield is that while they don't score many goals (still more than Palace) they don't concede as many either.
Palace concede 4 (FOUR)  for every one they score, Huddersfield only 2. I can see of those two teams Huddersfield finding that easier to turn around than Palace. Even Swansea don't concede all that many, a meaner defence would help a lot, but Palace play like they have no defenders and no attackers. Statistically, I don't think there has ever been a club so bad, the only way they could be any worse would be to have Joe Hart in goal and hopefully it will bury the career of the egomaniac Wodgson while they are at it.

[super_realist]

On another note, is the trying to hard to get us interested in Women's sport? I've lost count of the number of times when something like Womens' football, cricket or rugby is the top story, when clearly it isn't the top story of the day.

[kwinigolfer]

Women in all the headlines here too super, most now having been groped or otherwise sexually assaulted by the celebrity du jour.
Morrissey's take on it all so far having been ignored. (Probably a good thing.)

[beninho]

On another note, is the trying to hard to get us interested in Women's sport? I've lost count of the number of times when something like Womens' football, cricket or rugby is the top story, when clearly it isn't the top story of the day.

Examples please?

Im not big on womens sport, but if my daughter gets interested in it after seeing it or reading about it in years to come its a good thing. Sport isn't just about or for men.

[super_realist]

For example, earlier today the main headline was the womens Ashes. How many people give a toss about that, especially when Australia have already won it and all the matches now being reported on are dead rubbers.

Isn't reporting supposed to reflect the big stories and those which people are interested in? Isn't that what gets you circulation?

I've no problem with them including female sports at all, but it seems they try too hard to prioritise it. It's not that I don't want more female involvement, just seems a bit contrived on the BBC's behalf.

[beninho]

Sports website leads with and reports result if live sport which happened in morning time in the uk?

That bothers you? What was the bigger live sport that was ongoing which missed iut on coverage?

Its currently well down the headlines as other sports news gas taken place. There is a link to womens rugby though, hope that doesnt get you anger up.

[beninho]

Great that spurs won that group. Not so good for other english teams now real madrid are a group runner up. Liverpool and defending..err. good to see foden get a city debut.

[super_realist]

Sports website leads with and reports result if live sport which happened in morning time in the uk?

That bothers you? What was the bigger live sport that was ongoing which missed iut on coverage?

Its currently well down the headlines as other sports news gas taken place. There is a link to womens rugby though, hope that doesnt get you anger up.

It doesn't bother me, it just seems that the BBC try too hard to prioritise something which the majority of people aren't interested in.

It's not in prime place at the moment, but it was all day.

[beninho]

Course it was all day, there was fuk all other sport taking place.

It seems to me they were jusr reporting the sports news as it happened. Think you may be overthinking it.

[super_realist]

Course it was all day, there was fuk all other sport taking place.

It seems to me they were jusr reporting the sports news as it happened. Think you may be overthinking it.

Not really, I've seen them do it in golf when a bigger male tournament is on too. I'd probably rather actually watch a womens' football match than a mens' these days given all the cheating and gamesmanship in the male game and how loathesome many of the players are, but I don't think there's ever really a situation where womens football, cricket, rugby etc is a story big enough to make the main headline.

[raycastleunited]

Sports website leads with and reports result if live sport which happened in morning time in the uk?

That bothers you? What was the bigger live sport that was ongoing which missed iut on coverage?

Its currently well down the headlines as other sports news gas taken place. There is a link to womens rugby though, hope that doesnt get you anger up.

It doesn't bother me, it just seems that the BBC try too hard to prioritise something which the majority of people aren't interested in.

It's not in prime place at the moment, but it was all day.

I think super has a point, specifically in regard to the BBC website only.

The BBC are clearly increasing their focus on women's sport. I understand why they would have that as a goal, but, being objective, they are giving more coverage to women's ashes etc than it merits.

[raycastleunited]

When it comes to deciding how to deal with sexual assault/harassment allegations, however you think that should be done, the rarity of false allegations means that the system for reporting and investigating should be biased towards assuming the victim has actually be assaulted/harassed.

oh Mac, you're so woke it must be painful for you to breathe, the air you exhale might possibly harass someone in the vicinity.

[raycastleunited]

Beninho, it doesn't matter if they appear to be "improving" they need to radically improve to a point where they are in Champions League qualifying form. How likely is it you can go from being the worst team in the league to top 4 form is incredibly unlikely. I know Leicester did it under Pearson, but Palace are much much worse than they were and they were never as low down the league.  Add to that they've got a hopeless manager in Wodgson who hasn't had a decent run of form for almost a decade.

Even in a year when there are so many poor teams and survival might be gained with as low as 36 points, can you really see Palace getting 31 points from 26 games when they've only got 5 from 12 so far? Not a chance. They would have to improve by more than 300%

In golfing parlance, they're 4 down after 6.

So getting 31 points from 26 games is Champions League qualifying form?

[McLaren]

Ray 

A little like super you don't seem to like the idea that fostering an environment of credibility for people coming forward about sexual harassment is a positive. It is about letting people know that they will not be made to feel embarrassment when reporting these incidents. 


Super is obsessed with the idea that treating allegations seriously means assessing the evidence like you would in a court case pretty much sends the signal that victims might as well stay quiet unless they have gone to the trouble of compiling a dossier of such evidence. What a strange prohibitive position to take.

[Plunky]

Re BBC website sports :  you guys are too funny !  It's RARE that a woman's sports team makes the headlines despite the fact that the Uk population is roughly 50/50 male/ female.  I suspect that if the BBC has a mission statement it probably contains phrases like "educate and inform" rather than "keep the typical bloke happy".  Those of you that have a daughter should be happy that if she reaches the pinnacle of her sport on the international stage there is a chance (though slight) that the BBC will give her  the same kind of recognition as her male counterparts.  

[dynamark]

Hi folks-Kompany I am sure would have got his deserved red card if it had been a bit later in the game at LCFC referee did not have the guts to do it at the time .Stones on the outside was never
getting to Vardy.We were well beaten in the end by a very good team however.
On a golf related theme would you believe Leicester City have taken an option to purchase our club Forest Hill(which has been sort of up for sale for a while-to the right offer) to turn it into a new training centre 15 pitches and all the associated facilities.26 year old golf club would disappear.No formal planning app yet but they will have a hell of a battle.
As you can imagine it is doing a deal of harm to the existing business.Watch the space

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