Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

I think bailly does look a good prospect, but he is pretty raw. The spurs pairing is probably the best in tge league as a partnership. I think mendy looks an immense left back, alonso also good, I think rose is better then bertrand though, when fit. I remember a time when full backs had to defend!

[beninho]

That infuriates you enough to dislike him and hope he fails? I feel your dislike of him makes you ignore his decent record with mid table prem teams.

[pedro]

Super is wumming. Woy is a decent guy, and yes a second drawer manager, but nothing wrong with the Ferguson comparison.

[super_realist]

Super is wumming. Woy is a decent guy, and yes a second drawer manager, but nothing wrong with the Ferguson comparison.

Woy is on the level of Pardew, Pulis, Curbishly, Moyes, Fat Sam etc. Comparing yourself to Ferguson is absolutely hilarious and just shows how much he fancies himself and how deluded he is. Absolving himself of explaining yet another English failure to add to his inept Brazil World Cup (for which any other International manager would have had the good grace to resign) is just another example of his complete lack of humility.

I used to like Woy and thought he was too intelligent for your average footballer, but he's a very, very average manager who is part of the usual merry go round of rubbish English yo yo clubs, yet appears to think he's a great manager. Stats show he isn't, not even close.

[pedro]

Bar Suarez I cant think of how liverpool have sold in recent years to a bigger club, Xabi Alonso but that was years back. Top four is a successful season for them, they dont have the funds to compete with city, united or chelsea.

Sterling?

[McLaren]

Do the people who said Huddersfield will go down still think that? I am not saying they are great but it would seem there are at least 3 teams worse than them.

[Diggers]

Bar Suarez I cant think of how liverpool have sold in recent years to a bigger club, Xabi Alonso but that was years back. Top four is a successful season for them, they dont have the funds to compete with city, united or chelsea.

Sterling?

Sold Sterling for £49m, spent £29m on Firmino on Mane, a year later buy Salah for £37m and Mane for £35m. All three are flying at the minute, as is Sterling. Does the Sterling sale make them a selling club or just a club that is willing to trade players if necessary and deemed appropriate? Also Sterling wanted out so what are you going to? I think Liverpool fans are pretty happy with their set of forwards.

[Diggers]

Do the people who said Huddersfield will go down still think that?  I am not saying they are great but it would seem there are at least 3 teams worse than them.

I thought they would struggle after a few weeks back but they have done OK. If I had to pick a bottom 3 now Id go:
Brighton
Stoke
Swansea
But could easily be another 8 clubs in the mix.

[kwinigolfer]

I'd say Huddersfield, Swansea and one other, possibly Newcastle the way they're going.
But the "quality" in the bottom half of the table is pretty awful, unsustainably so I would suggest if the Premier League wants to sell any kind of competitive product. Some real shocking "efforts" put in against the top teams recently.

[McLaren]

Kwini 

How come you still think Huddersfield will go down?

[kwinigolfer]

Because I think they're terrible. Only seen them twice so far this season and they were awful both times, even tho' they won one of them. Having said which, they have a very soft month coming up, so I could be hopelessly wrong by the time they tee it up in February.

[Diggers]

They played some great football last season, they have the right philosophy, sometimes it's hard to keep doing it when playing against teams which simply have better players. Bournemouth have managed it for a few years (but they have spent big in relative terms to Huddersfield) , I fear for them this year though.

[McLaren]

If Huddersfield are terrible I am not sure the adjectives exist to describe Swansea, WH, Brighton, West brom etc.

I have been pretty impressed with Huddersfield so far.

[kwinigolfer]

vive la difference . . . . . .

Agree that Bournemouth's situation is becoming precarious, dropping the points they used to take home the past two years. Back 4 or 5 looking especially dodgy, but still playing some good football which I haven't seen from some others. Hope they survive.

[beninho]

One of the worlds most expensive players having to resort to diving to get his team past a lower keague team.

[beninho]

Well done bristol city!

[beninho]

Anyone seen on Twitter weird golfers going mad because Dennis Pugh calls them hobby holfers. Weirdos.

[pedro]

Caramba Cup.

[kwinigolfer]

Stupid of Swansea to get rid of Clement.
Used to watch his Dad in that wonderful QPR team. Hope Paul doesn't go the same way as Dave.

Trophy owners need to understand where the resources and history of their club are relative to the League as a whole.
Much more surprising to me that Swansea have survived so long than that they might get relegated. And difficult to see how they might bounce back.
Hope the owners lose their shirts.

[super_realist]

Anyone seen on Twitter weird golfers going mad because Dennis Pugh calls them hobby holfers. Weirdos.

Isn't everyone who does a sport/activity in their spare time without being professional a hobbyist?

[McLaren]

Super

Not sure if you have noticed but a lot of club golfers take it pretty seriously. You must see the high numbers of plonkers out on the course.

[Diggers]

Stupid of Swansea to get rid of Clement.
Used to watch his Dad in that wonderful QPR team. Hope Paul doesn't go the same way as Dave.

Trophy owners need to understand where the resources and history of their club are relative to the League as a whole.
Much more surprising to me that Swansea have survived so long than that they might get relegated. And difficult to see how they might bounce back.
Hope the owners lose their shirts.

Agree, I saw his interview after the Everton game. Really honest and actually interesting, just another example of a short sighted owner.

[JAS]

Mo Farah was on the asthma meds and he still gets put up for it every year.

I'm afraid I don't believe any of these athletes who claim to be asthmatic when they're more or less the World's best and their lung function is clearly out of this world. It's nonsense. Bit like Sharapova claiming she had/has a heart defect and needs her meldronium. Sorry, don't buy it.

I love the bbc headline "Questions for Froome after  adverse test".  Questions?  That is one way to put it and not how they would have put it about a random Russian athlete for example.  Froome is done and dusted, B sample also shows he took it.

The fact he took it isn't an issue, it's not a banned substance. You don't even need a TUE to take it. The issue is the quantity, which they are saying was taken on doctors advice.

Indeed; there's nuance here. However, I don't buy he's asthmatic in the first place. Maybe as a kid, but now? Nah.

Actually as an asthmatic that’s not how it always works. I had it bad as a kid and kind of grew out of it (well I say grew out of it, maybe it has just been well managed on Doc and asthma nurses advice), now at over 50 it’s returning with a vengeance. I consider myself to have been lucky for  40 years. There’s still too much about asthma that’s not known and I’d be taking doctors advice over an anti doping theorist every time. Clearly they have their role in sport and it’s an important one but they are NOT the definitive voice on what should be safe and/or acceptable level of asthma medication. On the other hand we could just say asthmatic claimants can’t compete because they might be frauds.
I know Salbutamol opens up the airways but in non asthmatics wouldnt they be open anyway and thus any enhancing effect would be pretty much null??

[kwinigolfer]

Snap to all that, JAS, completely agree, both in asthma experience (me too) and possible management of it.

[JAS]

The fact that the retired police fella is now under scrutiny for revealing something he was clearly told to shut up about says it all really.

I just don’t get why Green never said “yeah, I’m partial to a bit of filth...so what?”  Now he’s lied so vociferously he cant have any trust/credibility left surely??

Well...it took a while but eventually... it is amusing though how they’ve “managed it” through the past 3 weeks. What was so very different that that decision couldn’t have been reached 3 weeks ago?. Is The Terrahawk suddenly not considered as vulnerable now and can ride another ministerial resignation and survive but wouldn’t have 3 weeks ago??

[I'm never wrong]

He has just lost his post as a minister, in my view he should have lost his job as an MP. Draconian, I admit but that’s what I think.

[navyblueshorts]

Mo Farah was on the asthma meds and he still gets put up for it every year.

I'm afraid I don't believe any of these athletes who claim to be asthmatic when they're more or less the World's best and their lung function is clearly out of this world. It's nonsense. Bit like Sharapova claiming she had/has a heart defect and needs her meldronium. Sorry, don't buy it.

I love the bbc headline "Questions for Froome after  adverse test".  Questions?  That is one way to put it and not how they would have put it about a random Russian athlete for example.  Froome is done and dusted, B sample also shows he took it.

The fact he took it isn't an issue, it's not a banned substance. You don't even need a TUE to take it. The issue is the quantity, which they are saying was taken on doctors advice.

Indeed; there's nuance here. However, I don't buy he's asthmatic in the first place. Maybe as a kid, but now? Nah.

Actually as an asthmatic that’s not how it always works. I had it bad as a kid and kind of grew out of it (well I say grew out of it, maybe it has just been well managed on Doc and asthma nurses advice), now at over 50 it’s returning with a vengeance. I consider myself to have been lucky for  40 years. There’s still too much about asthma that’s not known and I’d be taking doctors advice over an anti doping theorist every time. Clearly they have their role in sport and it’s an important one but they are NOT the definitive voice on what should be safe and/or acceptable level of asthma medication. On the other hand we could just say asthmatic claimants can’t compete because they might be frauds.
I know Salbutamol opens up the airways but in non asthmatics wouldnt they be open anyway and thus any enhancing effect would be pretty much null??

Some fair points JAS. I simply find it somewhat odd that the World's leading athletes, with lung function off the scale, are asthmatics. As to salbutamol and athletes, I guess their airways are pretty good as it is, but salbutamol will increase functionality up to a point, even in them.

[Diggers]

Link here to athletes and asthma, semis it's really not uncommon at all. From what I've read nobody seems to dispute that Froome is and has always been asthmatic, or indeed finds that surprising.
https://www.healthline.com/health/famous-athletes-with-asthma#1

[Diggers]

Didn't see last nights match, sounds like a cracker. Mainly interesting rather than stand out matches today, interesting to see how Everton go against Chelsea, maybe a banana skin at Leicester for Man Utd, plus some important bottom of the table matches.

[beninho]

Anyone watch Its always sunny in Philadelphia, on season 3 on netflix. Its so funny.

[beninho]

It was an exciting game ladt night, not a good game, so many mistakes from the players. Salah is really good. Liverpool's defence is poor.

[pedro]

Mignolet is a liability and has been so for years. Never understood why they signed a 5 year extension with him.

[beninho]

Didn't they sign Karius to replace mignolet, yet he also struggled. Now left with two well paid keepers, neither looking good enough.

[Diggers]

I think when you look at a side like Liverpool you blame the defending and keepers a lot. But they basically play a 4 2 4, against good sides you will get caught out doing that, you end up exposed unless you have real top class defensive midfielder, which they don't.
That said, great to watch and they can potentially outscore anyone.

[kwinigolfer]

Agree with that Diggers, they can't win consistently playing their "fab four", and they lost Henderson early on too. And Mignolet gets slagged even when he has a terrific game. Not many great goalkeepers around.

[beninho]

Zidane to be out of a job if they dont win the champions league?

[kwinigolfer]

Dismal from Southampton; they go to Tottenham & Old Trafford next, so they could be in the bottom three by the New Year.

[super_realist]

Agree with that Diggers, they can't win consistently playing their "fab four", and they lost Henderson early on too. And Mignolet gets slagged even when he has a terrific game. Not many great goalkeepers around.

How many times is that that Liverpool have thrown away a lead this year? Interestingly they've all happened when Moreno starts instead of Robertson.

[beninho]

Didn't thry blow a lead last night and against everton?

This man city, vould be the greatest premier league team ever.

[Diggers]

Agree with that Diggers, they can't win consistently playing their "fab four", and they lost Henderson early on too. And Mignolet gets slagged even when he has a terrific game. Not many great goalkeepers around.

How many times is that that Liverpool have thrown away a lead this year? Interestingly they've all happened when Moreno  starts instead of Robertson.

Robertson started on Friday didn't he? Don't think Moreno was even on the bench. Robertson looks steady to me, bit of an old school full back in some ways.
Watford slipping down, definitely see them being sucked into the mix.

[beninho]

Moreno is injured. He is your typical bombing on full back. You take the attacking over the defending. Liverpool lack a centre mid grafter.

[super_realist]

My mistake Diggers, he did. He's got that ability to get forward and put a quality cross in like that classless scumbag Ashley Cole did for a few years at Arsenal.

[Diggers]

Yep, he can cross and defend. What I've seen, link up play not amazing and doesn't seem to have fantastic pace. Good buy for what they paid though.

[kwinigolfer]

Before long, we'll be able to say Scotland's best two footballers are both full-backs. Build from the back, I say.

[Diggers]

Harry Kane doing what Harry Kane does. He'll never look silky smooth but he sure knows where the net is.
Big, big money move to Man Utd next year, maybe Chelsea?

[beninho]

50+ goals this year for Kane. Thats pretty impressive, almost messiesque. I don't sering him leaving any time soon.

I see Mata doing well again, makes you wonder why Mourinho sold him, or salah, lukaku, de bruyne

[Diggers]

Spurs don't pay though Ben, and Harry can get 200k minimum elsewhere. Kane meant to be on 120k max, it's a fortune but I'm sure he'll expect his market rate to be met. Will/can Spurs afford to do it?

[kwinigolfer]

Busy day this. Fantastic game LCFC vs Man U, well deserved last minute equaliser. That's two last minute goals vs Mourinho in three says - why didn't he just take Smalling off? Daft.

[Diggers]

I like Maguire, doesn't look like an athlete but has pace for a 6 4 guy and he can definitely play. Real handful at set peices.
Vardy is like an inverse Lukaku, scores against all the big clubs. Fantastic record.

[beninho]

7 hat tricks this year for Kane. I heard someone describe him as being just a bit better in every aspect then you imagine. I think he us better then griezmann who barca are after.

[pedro]

Griezmann is a different type tho. A bit more lightfooted. (As if Barca haven’t got enough of those?) Don’t know how well Kane would fit in La Liga.

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