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Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:02 am
Fussball v Kalamazoo Outrage
- Voter 1:
- Fußball v Kalamazoo Outrage
Ordinarily you'd look at the two sides and lean towards Outrage for their players, but I really like the Fußball formation and approach today. The 4-4-2 with two real rocks in the middle and Lingard working hard on the left was very Atletico. And Falcao and Rashford would cause problems for any defence. Outrage did miss Werner today and with Asensio up against Casemiro and Partey I see Fußball earning a hard fought win.
- Voter 2:
- Fussball v Kalamazoo
Really tricky one this one. I think Hero expected the long ball, whereas Trebs has gone for counter attacking, whilst Hero himself has gone for a fluid, mobile attack, Trebs has gone for two banks of four. Therefore, I think Treb’s has tactically done all the right things to win this on tactics alone, apart from I am not sure about Payet being disciplined enough to hold the bank of four. Hero’s players are also stronger, but on the balance I think I just lean to a Fussball win
Fussball win
- Voter 3:
- Futball vs Kalamazoo - Futball in a high scoring game
Futball
+ I like Rashford up top to utilize his pace, Will play well off Falcao
+ Payet drifting inside
+ Narrow defensive line across the back 4
+/- Counter Attacking means you are likely to concede over 90 mins regardless
- Still dislike Lingard he's sh*te
- Caricol in general
Kalamazoo
+ I like the side
+ I like Asensio at AM as said last week
+/- You can't really press for 90 mins from the front it'll work for 45-60 mins but after that tiredness
- Feels like tactics were a little rush need to go into more detail mainly attacking wise
- Offside trap vs Rashford is destined to fail in all honesty.
- Seemed to set up for a side that didn't Trebs play which was unfortunate.
minor note
Don't really need tactic for a GK not seen anyone that ever cared about the GK here
- Result:
- Fussball - Unanimous win
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:02 am
Cape-Coast Mysterious Dwarfs v Deportivo Wanka
- Voter 1:
- Dwarfs v Wanna
You have to give Nando a lot of credit here. He has guessed Afros tactics and his 343 is the best formation to use to attack the 4231 of Dwarfs. His tactic for Jesus especially is spot on. The key thing is player wise can he combat what is now a frightening forward 4? I have to say yes because otherwise Afro is likely to get default wins from now on and you have to give good tactics the credit they deserve. Especially when Dwarfs tactics feel a little phoned in and don't target particular areas like how to deal with Fekir.
WIN for Wanka
- Voter 2:
- Cape-coat Mysterious Dwarfs v Deportivo Wanka
Two strong sides here, the Dwarfs side is really coming together nicely with the addition of Jesus, although I'm still not sure about Iniesta as an outright #10, and Wanka with two of Europe's most in form attackers in Fekir and Lozano make it an entertaining game. I feel the back three/five of Wanka has just enough to hold off Jesus and Callejon, at the other end Dwarfs have great CB's but badly missed Ghoulam at LB. Phillip and Masina v Pereira and Fekir (with Diakhaby) is where I feel the game was decided, and a narrow win for Wanka.
- Voter 3:
- Cape-Coast Mysterious Dwarfs v Deportivo Wanka
Tough game as they all are in this league. So close that the reason i am going to give Dwarfs the win is because of the narrow formation again from Nando. I like the style of Nando's formation, just it will come under a lot of pressure against what is essentially a 3 at the back. They will be able to tackle the inside approach from the wide players but out wide they will struggle in this formation. I like the players Nando has just needs to come up with a formation and go with it fully IMO.
- Result:
- Wanka - Split win
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:02 am
Shakhtar Senseless v Olympique Marswag
- Voter 1:
- Senseless vs Marswag
they say styles make fight's and I like the mix here, the new fashionable 3-4-3 vs a 4-3-3, Marswag have the numbers in the middle but for me there's no real creativity in there, solid to break to down but a bit workman-like (IMHO)I like Miky's back-four and front-three though and they're in the game just for me that's what I'd look at, a middle three doesn't need so much muscle.
I liked Senseless' set-up and even with one man less in the middle I still felt they had more creativity, front-three is interesting - I don;t know a lot of Sabitzer but the other 2 I like. Would maybe put Masch as the central-CB but that's splitting hairs really.
all in I felt Shakhtar had the better balance - home win.
- Voter 2:
- Shakhtar v Marswag
I think Marswag are missing a bit of quality in midfield and relying on that forward 3. I think Shakhtar have a well balanced side now and have attacking threat as well as being strong in defence. Tactics wise, I think Shakhtar have put more into it and I can see them nullifying Marswag of any attacking threat as well as being able to create chances themselves.
WIN for Shakhtar
- Voter 3:
- Shakhtar vs Marswag
Shakhtar look good, I'm not sure Costa was the best option in that position, but he showed his quality this week and will be a real threat. I like the balance they have in their side, for me the areas to improve on is the left side of defence/wing back. Going forwards they have real quality, and will be a good test for the Marswag defence
Miky's side is strong defensively, arguably the best in the league. I think the midfield needs some work, Fernandinho has been doing his best work as the man sitting, and I think they lack a bit in the other two positions. I'm not a big Immobile fan, and against a strong defence I don't think he'll add a lot.
Shakhtar will bottle up the wingers, with the 5 at the back approach, and I think Marswag lack the creativity in the midfield to really threaten elsewhere. They've gone quiet defensive, and I think this will invite pressure. I'd back the front 3 of Shakhtar to be able to create the odd chance that Silva will put away, and they'll take a tight game in a low scoring win
Shakhtar win
- Result:
- Shakhtar - Unanimous win
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:02 am
Ebbsfleet United v Deportivo Moron
- Voter 1:
- Ebbsfleet vs Deportivo Moron
Ebbsfleet have the better XI on paper for me, with the likes of Silva and Goretzka in midfield. Moron need to upgrade a few players who just aren't up to standard with the rest of the league. However, id have liked to have seen at least one winger to stretch Moron's defense and cross the ball in for Zlatan, pull the cbs out rather than cutting in. Crowding the area and allowing Moron the width was a good idea though, and although Guedes and Dolberg both being upfront created that surprise I just can't see them breaking through the Ebbsfleet defense.
It's close but Ebbsfleet get the win.
- Voter 2:
- Ebbsfleet vs Moron
I just don't like the look of that Moron set-up, would maybe sacrifice one of the 3 CM's, Probably Soler and get an AM in there to try and link some play...just feels a little too negative, for what it's worth it works in stifling Ebbsfleet, but I don't see the pace in the transitions for it to work effectively on the counter.
For me this games gotten draw written all over it..but as that's not allowed Zlatan the ultimate gamechanger comes in and gives Ebbsfleet the win
- Voter 3:
- Ebbsfleet United v Deportivo Moron - Moron win
Overall - to be honest I think this is a very low scoring, 1-0 type of game. Moron should have attacked Ebbsfleet's weaker FBs, and Ebbsfleet should have gone with more pace in attacking areas to combat the slow Moron defence. I think Moron pickup the victory, purely on the basis I think Dolberg gets the better of bartra and can get a sneaky goal past an iffy Gomes. I don't see Ibra/Silva getting the space they need to play in against the Moron defence, and with the 5 at the back, there is no space for their wingers to attack between the FBs/CBs.
Ebbsfleet - I really think Ibra hinders your flexibility in attack, no doubt he has moments of magic, but I think with Silva in CAM, you need a striker who has the ability to go in behind, as well as interchange. Zlatan can drop deep, but the defence has no threat of him running behind, and with them playing 5 at the back, your wingers runs are picked up by the covering CBs/FBs. I would look to improve on Gomes/Kolarov too if I were you - Gomes far too error prone, and Kolarov could be got at with a pacey winger (not today, but thinking future)
Moron - Really solid setup today. I would have gone with Dembele instead of Guedes up front with Dolberg personally, but I think you've set out a really strong defence and midfield which nullifies the game and you have just enough against their weaker defence to nab a win. Would look to improve your GK
- Result:
- Ebbsfleet - Split win
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:03 am
Fiorentina Turner v SAS
- Voter 1:
- Tina Turner v SAS
Both teams have tried to play possession, and this is a battle I would expect Tina to win, as his players are better equipped to do this. However, Tina are sitting deep, and SAS anticipate this and push a high line, so for all their possession, Tina will be too deep to take advantage. I see Olly nicking this with the pace of his attack, running at Barzagli and Llorente, being too much to keep quiet for the whole game.
SAS win
- Voter 2:
- Fiorentina Turner vs SAS
Tino has set up very well this week, possession heavy football. De Rossi is in his best position as effectively a cross between a DM and a third centre back. Putting chances away wouldn't be an issue, but I could see them struggling to create them with Diawara and Lemina breaking up the play. Tino needs a spark in attack, a winger to stretch the game, something. Olly has set up in the wrong way this week. Nothing wrong with squeezing against their attackers, it's probably the right thing to do but would have liked to have seen faster attacking player, more counter attacks as Son and Mertens vs Barzagli and Llorente would have been a massacre. Must also comment on the strange decision to put Gervinho at RWB.
This is an extremely tough game to call but Fiorentina Turner just sneak it.
- Voter 3:
- Tino still needs to make more of his tactics but what is there I think he's absolutely nailed this week in his approach and it's caught Olly out, Olly does Tino a disservice somewhat and this perhaps overconfidence is his downfall. Olly looking to gain possession sees the midfield battle turn against him numbers wise and Banega was a fantastic purchase for Tino.
Fiorentina win
- Result:
- Fiorentina Turner - Split win
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:32 am
Spend over an hour on my tactics, feedback that they look rushed 
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Trebs Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:21 am
Cheers guys for the result. I thought it was a good game.
A few of the top sides losing this week...
A few of the top sides losing this week...
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Afro Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:58 am
Well played Nando.I didn't have as much time to concentrate on my tacts th week, so feel that was a fair result.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:14 am
Still not much love for Kolarov. He has been on fire for Roma.
Good game though. Mixed thoughts about Zlatan. It's like you need to pick your team based on the voters and not your opponent.
Good game though. Mixed thoughts about Zlatan. It's like you need to pick your team based on the voters and not your opponent.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:19 am
Another example....Nando mentioning about no one worrying about the GK and then a voter in my game saying iffy Gomes let's in a goal 
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:20 am
TwisT wrote:Still not much love for Kolarov. He has been on fire for Roma.
Good game though. Mixed thoughts about Zlatan. It's like you need to pick your team based on the voters and not your opponent.
Kolarov has been immense this season so far.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:25 am
Someone in my voting keeps saying that Immobile isnt good enough yet hes scoring for fun in Serie A, sometimes I wonder if people pay attention to other leagues at times.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:42 am
That's what I dont understand. Form wise if I got rid of Kolarov I would be shooting myself in the foot.
And 3 people said Goretzka couldn't play on the flanks last week where there is loads of examples of him doing just that - defending against strong wingers. Which is why I did it
This week I just put out my strongest XI and didn't over think it. That's what I'm going to do from now on.
Opinions are like arse0's. Etc etc. Makes for a really close and exciting league though. Prefer that than simply going on players in team. Like I said when I voted on Dwarfs v Wanka
And 3 people said Goretzka couldn't play on the flanks last week where there is loads of examples of him doing just that - defending against strong wingers. Which is why I did it
This week I just put out my strongest XI and didn't over think it. That's what I'm going to do from now on.
Opinions are like arse0's. Etc etc. Makes for a really close and exciting league though. Prefer that than simply going on players in team. Like I said when I voted on Dwarfs v Wanka
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Re: Week 8 Results
by BamBam Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:57 am
I'd like to know who the "few players just not up to scratch with the rest of the league" are in my team, so I know where to improve. Outside of Heaton, I don't think my team is much worse than any other
I also have no idea how an immobile Zlatan off the back of 2 games in 9 months is meant to be the match winner against 3 CBs
As for Immobile, I don't rate him and have said so when voting - up against that back 3 Shakhtar put out, I don't see him getting any joy, and the same against Fiorentina last game
I also have no idea how an immobile Zlatan off the back of 2 games in 9 months is meant to be the match winner against 3 CBs
As for Immobile, I don't rate him and have said so when voting - up against that back 3 Shakhtar put out, I don't see him getting any joy, and the same against Fiorentina last game
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:06 am
I'm disappointed with my result as I had (despite the contary thought) put over an hour effort into my tactics this week and felt overall my tactics have come on this season to maximise what the 200 words say, think I get more out of those 200 words than most people. But I have to offer my congrats to Trebs, a manager that many like to lampoon for some of his transfers but he puts in 100% each and every week in his tactics and deserves a much higher spot in the league.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Afro Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:19 am
I thought the time and thought in your tactics came across, so don't agree with the other feedback.
I felt you were a bit unlucky as it was just that what you were expecting him to do, was different from what he did do, and it fell into his hands a bit. It's a drawback to the game, as in real life you would have been able to switch tactics accordingly, whereas voters just have to take it as it is in the 200 words. And in my voting, it was so close, that a small change mid-game could easily have tipped me the other way.
But we move on. I'm disappointed to lose, I always am, but the worse that has happened is haven't won a game that is ultimately meaningless.I now look forward to the challenge of Marky this week.
I felt you were a bit unlucky as it was just that what you were expecting him to do, was different from what he did do, and it fell into his hands a bit. It's a drawback to the game, as in real life you would have been able to switch tactics accordingly, whereas voters just have to take it as it is in the 200 words. And in my voting, it was so close, that a small change mid-game could easily have tipped me the other way.
But we move on. I'm disappointed to lose, I always am, but the worse that has happened is haven't won a game that is ultimately meaningless.I now look forward to the challenge of Marky this week.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:20 am
One thing I will say is this result against me shows how important Tolisso is to my side.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:20 am
He was injured this week hence why I couldnt play him.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:33 am
Afro wrote:I thought the time and thought in your tactics came across, so don't agree with the other feedback.
I felt you were a bit unlucky as it was just that what you were expecting him to do, was different from what he did do, and it fell into his hands a bit. It's a drawback to the game, as in real life you would have been able to switch tactics accordingly, whereas voters just have to take it as it is in the 200 words. And in my voting, it was so close, that a small change mid-game could easily have tipped me the other way.
But we move on. I'm disappointed to lose, I always am, but the worse that has happened is haven't won a game that is ultimately meaningless.I now look forward to the challenge of Marky this week.
Imagine if we had 'live' tactics, where voting was done in quarters of the game and the manager could make changes depending on how the game was going (would take forever and a day so not recommending it btw)
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Re: Week 8 Results
by BamBam Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:34 am
Holymiky wrote:One thing I will say is this result against me shows how important Tolisso is to my side.
Definitely can't argue with that
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Fernando Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:56 pm
Hero wrote:Spend over an hour on my tactics, feedback that they look rushed
My bad
After looking back i think its the lack of attacking tactics that made me feel that way compared to rest of it
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Marky Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:36 pm
While we're at it;
What's wrong with Douglas Costa playing out wide?!
I'm not sure Costa was the best option in that position, but he showed his quality this week and will be a real threat.
What's wrong with Douglas Costa playing out wide?!
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:48 pm
It is a shame there isn't a match calculator online where we can put in both teams and it churns out the result.
I don't think tactic length is an issue. It's more personal opinions on certain players too. But my Kolarov and the Immobile example is two where form isn't a big factor. If Lingard keeps scoring will he still be "$hit"? And I get what Bam said about Zlatan.
It makes for an exciting league though. Anyone can beat anyone .
I don't think tactic length is an issue. It's more personal opinions on certain players too. But my Kolarov and the Immobile example is two where form isn't a big factor. If Lingard keeps scoring will he still be "$hit"? And I get what Bam said about Zlatan.
It makes for an exciting league though. Anyone can beat anyone .
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:52 pm
TwisT wrote:It is a shame there isn't a match calculator online where we can put in both teams and it churns out the result.
I don't think tactic length is an issue. It's more personal opinions on certain players too. But my Kolarov and the Immobile example is two where form isn't a big factor. If Lingard keeps scoring will he still be "$hit"? And I get what Bam said about Zlatan.
It makes for an exciting league though. Anyone can beat anyone .
There is, it's called Fifa. No-one was overly keen on it though as a results engine.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Afro Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:58 pm
Hero wrote:TwisT wrote:It is a shame there isn't a match calculator online where we can put in both teams and it churns out the result.
I don't think tactic length is an issue. It's more personal opinions on certain players too. But my Kolarov and the Immobile example is two where form isn't a big factor. If Lingard keeps scoring will he still be "$hit"? And I get what Bam said about Zlatan.
It makes for an exciting league though. Anyone can beat anyone .
There is, it's called Fifa. No-one was overly keen on it though as a results engine.
I think we were keen, but it was a lot of work for you
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:00 pm
Not a big fifa fan but would go for this. Tactics would be based on what you would do in certain situations then.
Someone would need to talk me through the options available but sounds great
Someone would need to talk me through the options available but sounds great
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:02 pm
One of the things it does as well is FIFA isn't as hipster biased as me and others. Very much class > form.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:05 pm
What it would mean though is teams would get pacey players all the time to abuse the game
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:07 pm
I want people to build teams they like ideally
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Re: Week 8 Results
by BamBam Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:09 pm
Marky wrote:While we're at it;I'm not sure Costa was the best option in that position, but he showed his quality this week and will be a real threat.
What's wrong with Douglas Costa playing out wide?!
That was me, I meant he wasn't necessarily the best signing you could have made out wide, rather than he is't a winger
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Re: Week 8 Results
by TwisT Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:12 pm
Holymiky wrote:I want people to build teams they like ideally
True but if that's the case is Trebs the best team in the league.
Dunno a lot about fifa to know how to abuse it. But I think it's the fairest option out there. Though form goes out the window then and people will be buying 30+ year olds on the cheap.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Marky Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:12 pm
BamBam wrote:Marky wrote:While we're at it;I'm not sure Costa was the best option in that position, but he showed his quality this week and will be a real threat.
What's wrong with Douglas Costa playing out wide?!
That was me, I meant he wasn't necessarily the best signing you could have made out wide, rather than he is't a winger
Ah okay. I get it now. Although all the wide options were a bit samey IMO.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:14 pm
Well played to Tino this week - I wasn’t overconfident I just guessed massively incorrectly how Tino would setup and setup for a completely different game to the one he played
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:54 pm
I think pace abuse occurs more when it's player v player rather than cpu v cpu on fifa.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Fernando Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:00 pm
I thought the issue was that the streaming was Poopie? so no one could really watch?
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:07 pm
It was that only because people wouldnt be able to watch their games but also how time consuming it is.
I looked into football manager being a possibility and ideally id like to look into it again but it would be better if when players were updated in the league, it somehow updated football manager
I looked into football manager being a possibility and ideally id like to look into it again but it would be better if when players were updated in the league, it somehow updated football manager
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Fernando Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:17 pm
Can you not get into the database on FM anymore?
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Holymiky Wed Dec 06, 2017 4:22 pm
You can but it needs to keep being updated as far as I know,, just trying to save time ideally
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Trebs Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:12 pm
The reason I objected to it was because we were going to use transfermarkt for pricing players and FIFA for deciding games. Which is a ridiculous idea.
If you came up with a system where players are priced by FIFA ratings i think it's doable. Although I would miss the tactics side of it
If you came up with a system where players are priced by FIFA ratings i think it's doable. Although I would miss the tactics side of it
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Hero Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:37 pm
Alternative would be to use the price on Sofifa put that can fluctuate a bit.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Afro Wed Dec 06, 2017 6:40 pm
Ill be honest. I never really got why using TM for values and FIFA for results was that different to what we do now. We don’t rate players based on their TM value now, it’s just a market value.
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Brooksey79 Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:04 pm
The issue for me is some of the players you'd have in FIFA are pony.
I said I thought zlatan would be the match winner. And I stand by it mostly. But if we're rating players purely on form then most teams will be overhauling monthly
I said I thought zlatan would be the match winner. And I stand by it mostly. But if we're rating players purely on form then most teams will be overhauling monthly
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Marky Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:29 pm
Afro wrote:Ill be honest. I never really got why using TM for values and FIFA for results was that different to what we do now. We don’t rate players based on their TM value now, it’s just a market value.
I think the complaint was that you could buy some of the better FIFA players really cheaply via TM due to them being over 30, in the same way every new league began with the rush to sign Xavi or Pirlo on the cheap for that unfair advantage
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Re: Week 8 Results
by Afro Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:34 pm
Marky wrote:Afro wrote:Ill be honest. I never really got why using TM for values and FIFA for results was that different to what we do now. We don’t rate players based on their TM value now, it’s just a market value.
I think the complaint was that you could buy some of the better FIFA players really cheaply via TM due to them being over 30, in the same way every new league began with the rush to sign Xavi or Pirlo on the cheap for that unfair advantage
So much the same as on the current approach then?
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