Political round up.............

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LionsV2 wrote:

Galted wrote:

As much as I agree with you that much of the reason for the Leave vote was the racism and pig-ignorance of the likes of Lionsv2 and old people, I'm not sure the questions you're asking are particularly relevant.  I'd quite like a cut in local crime but couldn't name a single local criminal.

I beg your pardon?

No doubt the mods will do nothing about that.

He said you were “PIG IGNORANT”. I’ve heard of hard of hearing before but not hard of reading.

By the way, is Peter Hain now officially an anti-Semite? Let me know what the BBCs opinion is on that if anyone can.

Bohemian Rhapsody Mangel for me then.

The only one i've seen is Quadrophenia so my EDL name would be;

Quadrophenia Scully.

SecretFly wrote:By the way, is Peter Hain now officially an anti-Semite?  Let me know what the BBCs opinion is on that if anyone can.  

The "veil of secrecy" though?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Lord Hain doesn't think I'm talking rubbish..

For too long powerful people are being accused of consistently vile behaviour and are able to hush it up with these injunctions.....

My sympathies are with those that struggle to fight back..

Like Hain....Who I admire from his anti apartheid work..

Ah. That's it sorted then. Lord Hain thinks it's OK, so therefore it is. Lord Hain is, and always has been, a conceited individual and he's wrong on this one, for all he did a lot of good on Apartheid.

SecretFly wrote:Hmm............. I wonder what activist Tommy Robinson thinks of the fuss?  I guess he's maybe laughing.

Contempt hearing for Hain?  Oh sorry, Privilege.  

He's too dumb to get the joke.

Meanwhile in world news, is anyone else alarmed by Bolsonaro winning the Brazil presidential election? He's like Trump on steroids, and some of his rhetoric about shooting left-wing activists is downright scary: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2018/oct/28/brazil-election-2018-second-round-of-voting-closes-as-bolsonaro-eyes-the-presidency-live

'Normal' politics failed, so now enter someone who is a little out there.

Rinse and repeat across history, rinse and repeat across the geographical sphere. Better hope Trump succeeds in America, otherwise someone will come in who makes the Donald look like John Major.

"Someone who is a little out there" = someone that advocates the shooting of political opponents.

Pr4wn wrote:"Someone who is a little out there" = someone that advocates the shooting of political opponents.

"Only way to be sure", mun.

Delta poll...

Con 43 (+6)
Lab 40 (-)
Lib 6 (-2)
UKIP 4 (-1)
Green 2 (-2)

Good poll for May but more scary is the fact all the smaller parties are nearly extinct on this poll...

Like the US its becoming an almost binary choice..

That isn't good.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Delta poll...

Con 43 (+6)
Lab 40  (-)
Lib    6  (-2)
UKIP 4  (-1)
Green 2 (-2)

Good poll for May but more scary is the fact all the smaller parties are nearly extinct on this poll...

Like the US its becoming an almost binary choice..

That isn't good.

Love your polls don't you. Should go and live in Gdansk.
Not sure we have a choice either way. Seems to me like we're in a plutocracy.
Nowadays, if i'm undecided at the polling station, to be on the safe side I vote for everybody. And also write an incredibly witty comment in a sort of diagonal fashion. Kinda makes me feel as if i've made a difference. Even though I haven't really. At all. There we are.

Cardiff Dave wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Delta poll...

Con 43 (+6)
Lab 40  (-)
Lib    6  (-2)
UKIP 4  (-1)
Green 2 (-2)

Good poll for May but more scary is the fact all the smaller parties are nearly extinct on this poll...

Like the US its becoming an almost binary choice..

That isn't good.

Love your polls don't you. Should go and live in Gdansk.
Not sure we have a choice either way. Seems to me like we're in a plutocracy.
Nowadays, if i'm undecided at the polling station, to be on the safe side I vote for everybody. And also write an incredibly witty comment in a sort of diagonal fashion. Kinda makes me feel as if i've made a difference. Even though I haven't really. At all. There we are.

Opinions are fun...Regardless of where I should live..

Love to here more..

Duty281 wrote:Better hope Trump succeeds in America

I am curious to know what you think Trump succeeding would look like?

McLaren wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Better hope Trump succeeds in America

I am curious to know what you think Trump succeeding would look like?  

More botox'n'buttlifted Hollywood types in psychiatric treatment for nervous exhaustion neurosis epidemic syndrome disease?

McLaren wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Better hope Trump succeeds in America

I am curious to know what you think Trump succeeding would look like?  

He's doing fine at the moment.

Duty I guess we will find out very soon whether the mercan public agree with you.

A budget that was lauded by 80% of the MSM..

Con 41
Lab 39 +3

Not sure anyone knows where we are Politically at the moment..

I actually thought this was one of the better budgets we've had recently, although admittedly the bar hasn't been set very high so that's not saying much. The online retailer tax proposals, whilst modest, are a step in the right direction, and money has been provided to curb the worst effects of Universal Credit. However, the measure to keep freezing fuel duty, whilst popular for drivers, is wrong, and unsustainable both financially and environmentally, and the continued freezing of benefits is unnecessary and cruel, and evidence that austerity is still going strong.

The 'extra funding' for schools will probably backfired though, and has probably generated more (justified) cynicism than if they'd not announced anything for schools - their announcement will do nothing to address the shortages in teachers and assistants caused by the cuts.

The income tax cuts at this time seemed an unusual move, leading some to speculate that the government are clearing the decks for an election - not convinced myself though. Was also interesting to see a lot of the New Labour critics lining up to attack McDonnell for not opposing all of the tax cuts. I think though that politically its a smart move and actually an example of where McDonnell and Corbyn have learnt how to be more smart on political strategy.

McDonnell was helped by a Tory mp resigning..But another example of Labour incompetence...McDonnell just isn't Chancellor material....Jumped on a chance to look Centrist and then abstained.

I see Lib Dems are letting go staff in the Party HQ..Because membership and donor fees are drying up.

Not a good look....

Survation..

Lab 40
Con 39

First Labour lead for a while....

Johnson's brother has just resigned from the Govt..

Wants a People's vote unlike his brother who wants Hard Brexit.

Not ground-breaking.

But another Labour mp for May to find for the vote.

Should May resign...Yougov..

Yes 34%
No 46%

Almost as many Lib Dems want her to stay as Tories in this poll...Probably why they are stuck on 8%.

Yougov
Con 39
Lab 36

Comres
Lab 40
Con 36

I guess the Voting holding pattern continues..

Corbyn down to 22% with YouGov on 'who would make the best Prime Minister'.

Corbyn was pathetic in PMQs yesterday. He had an open goal yet again and missed, yet again.

Nicola Sturgeon honestly sounds like the most capable politician in the house.

Corbyn just isnt leadership material. But his cult are so large in number within the Labour membership that he isnt going anywhere anytime soon, which the Tories must be loving.

Samo wrote:Corbyn just isnt leadership material.  But his cult are so large in number within the Labour membership that he isnt going anywhere anytime soon, which the Tories must be loving.

He's terrible. He spent an age on the back benches at least partly because either he didn't want any leadership role or was deemed to be useless in such a role.

Pr4wn wrote:Corbyn was pathetic in PMQs yesterday. He had an open goal yet again and missed, yet again.

Nicola Sturgeon honestly sounds like the most capable politician in the house.

Can't watch her without seeing Jimmy Krankie. She's not in Westminster.

Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000 members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Labour would be in government now if they had a half-decent leader, after the debacle that was May's campaign in 2017. But they don't and didn't, and they have no chance of toppling the Tories whilst Corbyn is at the helm. Absolutely none.

560,000 members? So what? How many of them actually get involved at branch level, canvassing, handing out leaflets...you know, actual campaigning?. It's just a middle-class orgy of champagne socialists and naive politics.

I agree Duty... Corbyn like Trump is a stiff....Useless.

But Corbyn offers change in an era where Blair is looked at as vomit...

Trump would never have been President against any other opponent than Clinton..

Corbyn is leader like it or not and people are finding life hard.

I get Navy.. Samo and Pr4wn but like the Liberals post Clegg.

Corbyn is a symptom of past disregard.

Corbyn is Labour and like I said May and Brexit are the only game in town.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000  members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Oh, I don't know. Nazism? USSR of Stalin's period? Cambodia of Pol Pot?

Blair is 'vomit' because a very noisy part of Labour say so almost as much as the Cons have blamed Labour for our current financial position.

He had his time, and is rightly long gone. But he was 3x PM for a reason

Labour are doing well in their strongholds, but both them and the Conservatives seem incapable of looking outside of their respective bubbles, leaving a lot of us effectively disenfranchised.

lostinwales wrote:Blair is 'vomit' because a very noisy part of Labour say so almost as much as the Cons have blamed Labour for our current financial position.

He had his time, and is rightly long gone. But he was 3x PM for a reason

Labour are doing well in their strongholds, but both them and the Conservatives seem incapable of looking outside of their respective bubbles, leaving a lot of us effectively disenfranchised.

Hard to disagree with any of that...

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000  members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Oh, I don't know. Nazism? USSR of Stalin's period? Cambodia of Pol Pot?

You're comparing Corbyn and Momentum to the Nazis, Bolsheviks and Khmer Rouge? Seriously?

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000  members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Oh, I don't know. Nazism? USSR of Stalin's period? Cambodia of Pol Pot?

You're comparing Corbyn and Momentum to the Nazis, Bolsheviks and Khmer Rouge? Seriously?

Read it again...

Duty281 wrote:

560,000 members? So what? How many of them actually get involved at branch level, canvassing, handing out leaflets...you know, actual campaigning?. It's just a middle-class orgy of champagne socialists and naive politics.

3 bus loads turned up at places like Crewe during the Election..A place that wasn't even in play..Labour won there and in other places they weren't meant to..

560,000 members have wiped out Labour's debts and made them financially competitive with the Tories...

Left wing voters have voted for a wipe out of Blairites on committees..NEC etc..

Right wing mps. Chris Leslie..Angela Smith...Kate Hoey...Frank Field..Gavin Shuker...Joan Ryan have all been No confidenced by their new CLP member makeup over the last few months..

Naivety is thinking 560,000 members isn't a big deal..

navyblueshorts wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000  members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Oh, I don't know. Nazism? USSR of Stalin's period? Cambodia of Pol Pot?

You're comparing Corbyn and Momentum to the Nazis, Bolsheviks and Khmer Rouge? Seriously?

Read it again...

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe I'm dumb.

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

Pr4wn wrote:

navyblueshorts wrote:

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Corbyn doesn't need to be any good.

People vote Govt's out not in....She is up Crap creek with this deal..

It won't pass...Theresa May and Brexit is the only game in town..

As for cult..Labour has 560,000  members.

Silly Billy talk.

Never known a cult that big..

Oh, I don't know. Nazism? USSR of Stalin's period? Cambodia of Pol Pot?

You're comparing Corbyn and Momentum to the Nazis, Bolsheviks and Khmer Rouge? Seriously?

Read it again...

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe I'm dumb.

You were thinking I was being more cynical than I actually was. I was simply suggesting that there have been bigger cults than on containing ~560,000 members. I wouldn't suggest Momentum are reminiscent of Nazis or perhaps the Khmer, but some of their practices are pretty bad. I could see them as petty Stalinists, though very far from actually killing those internally who dissent.

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

560,000 members? So what? How many of them actually get involved at branch level, canvassing, handing out leaflets...you know, actual campaigning?. It's just a middle-class orgy of champagne socialists and naive politics.

3 bus loads turned up at places like Crewe during the Election..A place that wasn't even in play..Labour won there and in other places they weren't meant to..

560,000 members have wiped out Labour's debts and made them financially competitive with the Tories...

Left wing voters have voted for a wipe out of Blairites on committees..NEC etc..

Right wing mps. Chris Leslie..Angela Smith...Kate Hoey...Frank Field..Gavin Shuker...Joan Ryan have all been No confidenced by their new CLP member makeup over the last few months..

Naivety is thinking 560,000 members isn't a big deal..

Yeah, pretty bad behaviour that. Do we have a gulag in the UK to send them off to? Maybe some isolated Hebridean island would work?

If Momentum think a hard left turn is going to get them into power, they really weren't paying attention to Foot's era were they?

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

560,000 members? So what? How many of them actually get involved at branch level, canvassing, handing out leaflets...you know, actual campaigning?. It's just a middle-class orgy of champagne socialists and naive politics.

3 bus loads turned up at places like Crewe during the Election..A place that wasn't even in play..Labour won there and in other places they weren't meant to..

560,000 members have wiped out Labour's debts and made them financially competitive with the Tories...

Left wing voters have voted for a wipe out of Blairites on committees..NEC etc..

Right wing mps. Chris Leslie..Angela Smith...Kate Hoey...Frank Field..Gavin Shuker...Joan Ryan have all been No confidenced by their new CLP member makeup over the last few months..

Naivety is thinking 560,000 members isn't a big deal..

Wow, three whole bus loads. Stirring stuff. Labour also lost in plenty more places that they needed to win in order to get a majority government.

The state of Labour is quite shocking. Nearly nine years of Tory government, a highly unpopular one at that, and Labour still can't get a consistent lead in the polls. If a GE were held tomorrow, the Tories would win the most seats.

Yes, I know all about the Momentum takeover of the Labour Party, and have posted about it before. It's why there is soon going to be a Labour split. It's why Labour have zero chance of toppling the Tories.

Naive to think otherwise...

A change in subject on here, but couldn't believe the shocking statistics on mental health amongst young people, especially girls, in this article - A fifth of 17-19 year old girls in UK have either self-harmed or attempted suicide: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/nov/22/concern-over-rise-in-suicide-attempts-among-young-women

Figures like this would suggest a mental health crisis amongst a large proportion of our younger population. Its likely there's a mix of factors at play, but this is an issue that needs serious resources earmarked - otherwise we are storing future problems up for our society whose consequences will be even more costly if we fail to act.

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