Kenny just doing what SAF has been doing for years

King Kenny is just doing what SAF has been doing for years and identifying young talent and going out and paying whatever it takes to sign them . If we can have half as much success in doing it as they have then we wont go far wrong . I just hope we look round the world and possibley the lower leagues for talent. Shane Long would be a good replacement for Ngog as would Conner Wickham and theres also Honda who would fit in with buying into Asian market.

I think the difference between what Fergie does is that Fergie has experianced winners who can nurture the young talent where as Kenny Dal needs to sign some experianced winners for Liverpool

I think the prices at which Kenny is paying for the UNPROVEN talent is the difference, if they are good enough, Liverpool have enough experienced winners at the club, to nurture them just fine!

But, IMO, Carrol and Henderson, will not develope to be top class

JDandfries wrote:I think the prices at which Kenny is paying for the UNPROVEN talent is the difference, if they are good enough, Liverpool have enough experienced winners at the club, to nurture them just fine!

But, IMO, Carrol and Henderson, will not develope to be top class

To be honest JD I think most people will take your opinion with a pinch of salt after the whole Suarez and Afonso decable

No, it's just you, and your inability to read!

JDandfries wrote:No, it's just you, and your inability to read!

Ey ey stop getting touchy. We'll start a poll then on who cares about your opinion and you will see if its just me

Read my reply in the other topic then.

Your reply in the other topic, only goes to show that you have read very little of what I posted, that is all!

JDandfries wrote:I think the prices at which Kenny is paying for the UNPROVEN talent is the difference, if they are good enough, Liverpool have enough experienced winners at the club, to nurture them just fine!

But, IMO, Carrol and Henderson, will not develope to be top class

True enough Gerrard and Carragher nurture them along with Kenny and Steve Clarke.
No offence JD but I think Kenny is better at spotting young talent than you are so I would imagine they will develop into quality top class players.

I am sure he knows a lot more about football than me, and most, but that doesn't mean he will be right on this one, and of course, I am only stating my opinion!

Carroll was the second highest English scorer last season (ahead of Rooney and Defoe) after being injured for 2-3 months so how does that make him unproven or untalented

Same with you

Were never goin to agree, but if you think a out and out Striker had a good start by not scoring a goal untill April then am sorry that shows you havent got a clue.

Afonse Alves

Soldier of Fortune

He made his full debut in APRIL, that is why he scored his first goal in April, surely that isn't beyond your mental capabilities??

JDandfries wrote:Soldier of Fortune

He made his full debut in APRIL, that is why he scored his first goal in April, surely that isn't beyond your mental capabilities??

Resorting to name calling now haha

He played in about 12 games before he scored.

FANASTIC START!

And his full debut was against Sheffield Utd, not MAN U!

Soldier_Of_Fortune wrote:And his full debut was against Sheffield Utd, not MAN U!

Soldier I think JD meant his first league start which apparantely came two months after he made his league debut as a sub which for a clubs record signing seems to be a very long time

I know that Brave. 12.7 mill and cant doesnt even start?

But he didnt say league start thou! Plus ive been sad and checked and he was going brought on 50, 55, 60 mins most games and didnt score.

Think it took Suarez about......15 mins?

Its dragging now thou haha still think its funny trying to compare the two.

I know Soldier at least Suarez played for the Dutch champions unlike Alves who played for a mid table team

To be fair, it's the strongest comparison he could have made. There haven't been any other South American players who came from the Dutch League bought in January and made a strong start other than those two.

Two completely different players to be fair, Alves was a striker who came alive in the box, Saurez is a great wee player who can play on the shoulder or link up play, more in the Dalglish mould, on a seperate note only Ruud Van Nistlerooy has been a successful goalscorer in the EPL having come from a successful time in Holland, Kezman, Alves and Kuyt never replicated the Eredivise magic, can Saurez buck the trend?

I don't think so, I don't even think he'll be our main goalscorer, he's going to be a creative force, but I can't see him being our main source of goals to be honest. That's not a bad thing though, I believe Carroll will be our main goalscorer, and it's a much better system that we have more than one player to rely on for goals other than just Torres.

I know they are completely different players, but there isn't anybody else that the comparison was strong. It's not a very good comparison, but the only one that could be made to make his point.

Of course this is all about opinions, but the comparison is there for all to see, even the blind amongst us!

The only reason Soldier chose to try and shoot it down is beacuse he thought I was saying that Suarez would fail, like Alves did, I am not, i am simply saying don't get too carried away.

Speaking of record signings etc, how long was it before Andy carrol made his debut? at least 5 weeks wasnt it?

Invincible - if Suarez isnt your main goalscorer who do you think will be?

JDandfries wrote:Of course this is all about opinions, but the comparison is there for all to see, even the blind amongst us!

The only reason Soldier chose to try and shoot it down is beacuse he thought I was saying that Suarez would fail, like Alves did, I am not, i am simply saying don't get too carried away.

Speaking of record signings etc, how long was it before Andy carrol made his debut? at least 5 weeks wasnt it?

Invincible - if Suarez isnt your main goalscorer who do you think will be?

You dont watch Liverpool much do you JD.

Since Jan our goals have come from all round the team and not relying on one player.

Dont needs a main goal scorer as long as everyone chips in.

Dear god...

Are you for real, who said relying on one player??

PLEASE LEARN TO READ, you are becoming very tiresome!

IMO - Suarez will get 15+ league goals for u next season, that will make him your top scorer (almost certainly) and to challenge you need someone to outscore the rest of the team by half as much again!

So as I asked the poster above, if Suarez isn't your top scorer, who do you think will be?


Jdandfries - sits back and prays he reads this time

JDandfries wrote:
Speaking of record signings etc, how long was it before Andy carrol made his debut? at least 5 weeks wasnt it?

He was recovering from injury when we signed him so obviously he couldnt make his debut straight away. At least it didnt take him 2 months after making his debut to score his first goal

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JDandfries wrote:
Speaking of record signings etc, how long was it before Andy carrol made his debut? at least 5 weeks wasnt it?

He was recovering from injury when we signed him so obviously he couldnt make his debut straight away. At least it didnt take him 2 months after making his debut to score his first goal[
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It took Andy Carrol 6 weeks to score his first goal after making his debut, but anyway I think you missed the point I was making!

JDandfries wrote:Dear god...

Are you for real, who said relying on one player??

PLEASE LEARN TO READ, you are becoming very tiresome!

IMO - Suarez will get 15+ league goals for u next season, that will make him your top scorer (almost certainly) and to challenge you need someone to outscore the rest of the team by half as much again!

So as I asked the poster above, if Suarez isn't your top scorer, who do you think will be?


Jdandfries - sits back and prays he reads this time

If Carroll stays fit all season he will probably be our top scorer as if he can score 13 in 1/2 - 2/3 of the season he will score more than 15 which according to you will make him top scorer, as for someone else having to score 25 next season for us to challenge look at last seasons top scorers
Man City finished 3rd with Tevez only player over 11 goals
Man Utd and Liverpool were the only 2 clubs who had 2 players with 13 goals or more

JDandfries wrote:Dear god...

Are you for real, who said relying on one player??

PLEASE LEARN TO READ, you are becoming very tiresome!

IMO - Suarez will get 15+ league goals for u next season, that will make him your top scorer (almost certainly) and to challenge you need someone to outscore the rest of the team by half as much again!

So as I asked the poster above, if Suarez isn't your top scorer, who do you think will be?


Jdandfries - sits back and prays he reads this time

JD,

How about creating an article about Middlesborough in the Championship section?

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braveheart101 wrote:

JDandfries wrote:
Speaking of record signings etc, how long was it before Andy carrol made his debut? at least 5 weeks wasnt it?

It took Andy Carrol 6 weeks to score his first goal after making his debut, but anyway I think you missed the point I was making!

Your point was it took him 5 weeks to make his debut and thats because he wasnt fully fit he was returning from injury

C'mon guys, he's only asking quetions. I don't think you're making a good example of Liverpool fans. As far as I am aware there has been no real WUMing so far, so if you do have a problem with any posts, remember to click the report button or contact me, or another moderator/admin.

I think, as another poster said, that we would expect Carroll to be our main goalscorer. I don't think we'll rely him as much as other teams rely on their main goalscorer, but I think we expect him to be top scorer at the end of the season, he's certainly more of an out an out striker than Suarez is.

Carroll should be our top scorer next season he should benefit from a preseason with the team and learn how they play , but i think we will get goals from numberous players Suarez Kuyt Stevie plus others , who knows what players are being lined up to sign . I think the big plus for us is that we are now getting more flexible with our formation and not just looking to Stevie or Torres for goals . Id love a 20-25 goal player but if we can get 10-15 goals from 4 maybe 5 players then great .

the-gaffer wrote:Two completely different players to be fair, Alves was a striker who came alive in the box, Saurez is a great wee player who can play on the shoulder or link up play, more in the Dalglish mould, on a seperate note only Ruud Van Nistlerooy has been a successful goalscorer in the EPL having come from a successful time in Holland, Kezman, Alves and Kuyt never replicated the Eredivise magic, can Saurez buck the trend?

Robin Van Persie?

Suarez is likely to play behind Carrol 'in the hole' and create just as many goals as he scores.

Kenny has always been a poor buyer, that is his weakness.

He was a total disaster at Celtic.

He has generally inherited good young teams rather than building them himself.

SAF has built at least three teams in his time at ManU.

Doon the Water wrote:Kenny has always been a poor buyer, that is his weakness.

He was a total disaster at Celtic.

He has generally inherited good young teams rather than building them himself.

SAF has built at least three teams in his time at ManU.

He built a pretty impressive team at Blackburn.

Doon the Water wrote:Kenny has always been a poor buyer, that is his weakness.

He was a total disaster at Celtic.

He has generally inherited good young teams rather than building them himself.

SAF has built at least three teams in his time at ManU.

Dalglish was only in charge at Celtic for 18 games after the Barnes fiasco and they won 10, drew 4 and lost 4 so wasn't that bad.
The fact that he rejuvenated Liverpool after Hodgson left must count for something

Jack Walker bought a team at Blackburn

Since when was not winning 8 games out of 18 not considered a disaster at Celtic Park.

I would be surprised if he is still at Liverpool in two years time.

Doon the Water wrote:Jack Walker bought a team at Blackburn

Since when was not winning 8 games out of 18 not considered a disaster at Celtic Park.

I would be surprised if he is still at Liverpool in two years time.

Kenny Dalglish bought the players, not Jack Walker.

I think Kenny is a great manager. He will do well if given the time and backing from the board. This is something I feel he didn't get at Celtic or Newcastle and I was surprised he took the job considering how much it has changed since he last managed. More politics and business driven.

Doon the Water wrote:Jack Walker bought a team at Blackburn

Since when was not winning 8 games out of 18 not considered a disaster at Celtic Park.

I would be surprised if he is still at Liverpool in two years time.

Depends how many of those games were against Rangers.
At least he wasn't the manager when they lost to Caley Thistle in the cup.
I suppose the same applies to Lennon then as he was in charge when Ross County beat Celtic in the Scottish Cup 2 seasons ago or when Caley Thistle beat Celtic to all but hand Rangers the title last season.
To say Alex Ferguson has built his teams whereas Kenny used Jack Walkers money to buy the title must mean that Ferguson hasn't spent any money at all which isn't true.
At least Ferguson hasn't had the same problems Kenny has had outside of football, no wonder he quit Liverpool in 1991. If he hadn't left he could easily have been as successful as Ferguson has been.