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Post by ChequeredJersey Tue 13 Feb 2018, 5:53 pm

First topic message reminder :

GeordieFalcon wrote:
BigTrevsbigmac wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:In that case LIW, Ill put my money on it being the following.

6 Lawes
7 Robshaw
8 Hughes

Hughes off knackered after about 50/55 mins.
Robshaw to 8 then Underhill on at 7.

I cant see Jones bringing Mercer up just yet.

Haskell is back in to so may come into the reckoning as starter or bench cover although might be harsh on Underhill.

Could be tried & tested.

6. Robshaw
7. Haskell
8. Hughes

Lawes covering bench

I think we need to Focus on Underhill now. Unless we're REALLY struggling for an 8, then possibly pop Haskell in.

6 Robshaw
7 Underhill
8 Haskell


Robshaw, Frodo, Hughes. Hask on bench
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Post by SecretFly Sat 10 Mar 2018, 7:43 pm

Can I just say, and I've thought this before. But there is a Captain on that England team. There has always been a Captain - it's just that Jones and probably a lot of fans (from my little pick ups on threads like these) can't see him.

He's Robshaw. The sooner Jones gets over his pride and the hatchet job he attempted on the man, and give him back the Captaincy, the sooner England gets at least that bit right.

Great show from him. A real driving effort against the odds.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sat 10 Mar 2018, 7:52 pm

England need to have a good look at them selves after today performance. I only watched the first 5 minutes after the start of the second half. But they looked to me like they was waiting for France to make a mistake rather than causing France to make a mistake.

Very mutch back to the drawing board for the England team and the coaches. They really need to knuckle down sort this mess out.

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Post by Guest Sat 10 Mar 2018, 11:29 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I predicted a loss to France and fourth place finish for England. When Ireland finish the job and get the Grand Slam I expect the latter will also come true. Fair play, me and Gatland have been spot on with our predictions this tournament. Champs to chumps for England beckons and a few reality checks for some of their arrogant fans, AND their arrogant coach Hug.

Are you p*ssed mate? You sound like a bit of a kn*b!

Too early for me. Wtf is your problem anyway? You're sat behind a keyboard FFS Rolling Eyes


I think we’re all sat behind a keyboard of some sort: be it laptop, desktop, tablet or phone. What’s your point???

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Post by leicestertinytiger Sun 11 Mar 2018, 12:45 am

Because England have kept winning up until now, it has been difficult to criticise Jones, but his selections since the Argentina tour have been conservative at best. Now we are suffering the consequences of him never picking the form premiership players. Would have loved to see Robson Cipriani coming off the bench for the final 20 for England, have the talent to change a game.

Also why he just never benched Itoje and let Launchbury Lawes start I don’t know. The whole pack has been out of balance for the whole tournament. Even with all the injuries at 7 I’m sure Armand, Wilson or Kvesic could have done a better job.

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Post by Rugby Fan Sun 11 Mar 2018, 1:22 am

Breakdown penalties are unforgiveable, really. We never really had a chance to respond to the Ireland loss last year, because it was the last match of the Six Nations, and the squad was split in summer between Lions and Argentina.

This time, we had two weeks to stew over a loss, and work on what went wrong, and yet we came up short in the same places. The players certainly looked flat but this is blot on the coaching copybook too. Jones is right that England failed to adapt, but the fact we needed to adapt suggests we went out with the wrong tactics again. I wonder whether Jones took the view that Scotland was an anomaly, and lightning wouldn't strike twice.

Jones is quoted saying the laws make the breakdown more contestable but that flies in the face of the thinking earlier in the season. All the talk was of how easy it had become to retain possession.

On the evidence of the last two games, England have been guilty of playing as if the breakdown has become less contestable, but their lax ball presentation and clearout work is giving the opposition clear openings. The breakdown isn't more contestable than before, but our approach is making it that way.

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Post by Geordie Sun 11 Mar 2018, 1:25 am

I predicted a France win and an Ireland win and i was told I was pessimistic.

England are predictable.

Jones has put his cards on a big physical powerhouse pack. Yet picked athlietic players that can't play the physical game.
The last time we saw that physical dominating game was in Australia.

Found out against Scotland and a poor France side...Ireland will teach us a lesson.

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Post by Geordie Sun 11 Mar 2018, 2:50 am

If any England player goes out there next week not looking to do ANYTHING to win that game and stop Ireland winning a grand slam at Twickenham on the 17th....they should never play for England again.

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Post by No9 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:39 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:If any England player goes out there next week not looking to do ANYTHING to win that game and stop Ireland winning a grand slam at Twickenham on the 17th....they should never play for England again.  

Well thats not going to happen, ie. a player not looking to win. But in all honesty, you think England have any chance at all in stopping Ireland take their 3rd Slam.

England need to take a step back, realise they aren't as good as they like to think they are and start working towards next season and the RWC.

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Post by yappysnap Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:40 am

Passion and precision can make up for a lot.

We've come undone against passionate teams looking to stop our GS run, now it's our turn. The players should be out there looking to spoil the Irish party!

Just need a few changes and to play like the players can when at their best

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Post by Sgt_Pooly Sun 11 Mar 2018, 6:00 am

Well, that was dire. I think we need to give some of the fringe players a chance to shine, a lot of the old guard are not producing the goods and need a kick up the backside. Lets freshen things up next week.

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Sinckler
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Haskell
7. Robshaw
8. Hughes

9. Wigglesworth
10. Farrell
11. May
12. Te'o
13. Tuilagi
14. Solomona
15. Daly

16. LCD 17. Cole 18. Mako 19. Itoje 20. Simmonds 21. Care 22. Slade 23. Watson

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Post by George Carlin Sun 11 Mar 2018, 7:28 am

mikey_dragon wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:I predicted a loss to France and fourth place finish for England. When Ireland finish the job and get the Grand Slam I expect the latter will also come true. Fair play, me and Gatland have been spot on with our predictions this tournament. Champs to chumps for England beckons and a few reality checks for some of their arrogant fans, AND their arrogant coach Hug.

Are you p*ssed mate? You sound like a bit of a kn*b!

Too early for me. Wtf is your problem anyway? You're sat behind a keyboard FFS Rolling Eyes
Steady on there Mikey. You're always a good read so I'd hate to have to ban you for a week.
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Post by George Carlin Sun 11 Mar 2018, 7:39 am

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Well, that was dire. I think we need to give some of the fringe players a chance to shine, a lot of the old guard are not producing the goods and need a kick up the backside. Lets freshen things up next week.

1. Marler
2. Hartley
3. Sinckler
4. Launchbury
5. Kruis
6. Haskell
7. Robshaw
8. Hughes

9. Wigglesworth
10. Farrell
11. May
12. Te'o
13. Tuilagi
14. Solomona
15. Daly

16. LCD 17. Cole 18. Mako 19. Itoje 20. Simmonds 21. Care 22. Slade 23. Watson
I would need to watch the whole game but as a layman, Eddie Jones needs to fix two things in particular:

- 9/10 - Yes, I know he was a prodigy (the youngest player to play pro at 10 for years, etc) and plenty of England fans speak of him in hushed tones, but increasingly I don't think it can be ignored that potentially the biggest problem in the backline is Ford. I just don't see what he offers that Farrell doesn't and this season he seems to me to be something of a passenger stopping better playmakers at 12 from starting. I presume that the likes of Slade and Daly are out of fashion or not fully fit the moment because I wouldn't hesitate for a second to drop Ford for a 10. Farrell 12. Daly midfield. Ford looks amazing on front foot ball but then again, so do a lot of 10s who are not regular test starters. You can be a great player and still not the best choice for the national side.

- Loose forward combinations - I cannot believe the stick that Robshaw gets. He is England's best player almost every week and as a converted 6 who wins a hell of a lot of turnovers, if he was supported by a true jackaller like Kvesic and a heavy ball carrier with some proper fitness (Billy is the obvious choice), his playing world would change entirely. At the moment, I don't know of any international side which plays without a breakdown specialist and if the purely power game is not working (and it hasn't in this tournament) then England needs another club in their bag because they have looked bereft of a back up gameplan. The bench forwards don't make sense to me when you look at how Eddie is planning to change a game where the forwards are coming off as second best.

It's fascinating that England can have gone unbeaten for so long and now we are talking about issues with England. I think that there might be something to the comment someone made above that one loss can be written off as an abherration, you need at least two losses to give you some rope as a coach to make more wholesale changes. The championship is gone so I hope that Jones will take advantage of this to give some of the younger kids a full 80 at test level. England's world cup preparation demands it, because they are suddenly looking more vulnerable to international competitors.
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Post by mid_gen Sun 11 Mar 2018, 9:05 am

Marler
Hartley
Sinckler
Launchbury/Kruis
Lawes
Robshaw
Waldron
Haskell
Care
Farrell
May
Te'o
JJ
Daly
Brown

Smith on the bench, see if he has the cojones for a proper test match, or disappears like Ford.

Only half joking about Waldron....we need a proper lump of meat crying and making yards. Simmonds was not the player we needed.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 9:34 am

Because you're big pessimistic gf! A few people here sound like the Disney lemmings ready to throw yourselves off the cliff!

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 10:11 am

7&1/2 your insight is staggering, why don't YOU offer us your analysis for once?

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Post by SecretFly Sun 11 Mar 2018, 10:16 am

Ireland aren't going to fall for any of this 'all they now need to do is turn up'.

Nope, they've had too many close calls that never worked out to be arriving with any overly confident complacency to the home of English rugby.

Let's not forget but for one ballsy kick from Johnny Sexton in Paris, we too would have lost that game.  People will say but that's the difference - Ireland found a way.

I don't have much time fro those journalistic flourishes myself.  There was some skill but also a lot of luck.  Luck happens.  England had their chance at the end (what a dumb kick from the French that didn't find touch) but it just didn't come off.

I'm not sure the Scottish game was a tougher one for Ireland than the Welsh one, but they had to play like it was and I think overall that's what they did.  They had to rise their game, and in that first half, the Scottish had them all in a fuddle trying to keep a lid on the chaos stuff.  Probably one of the most exhausting stints an Irish team has had to endure for a long time.

But England at home - and if they play with the intent of their last 10 minutes or so against France, then it'll need another big shift from Ireland to get anything from the game.  Is there enough gas in the tank left?
The game will tell.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 10:20 am

What would you like me to talk about king?

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sun 11 Mar 2018, 10:40 am

Well, now we know; Watson needs to learn a lot to play 15 at this level, he was safe, but didn't ignite the fire and brimstone that is Mike Brown.

Haskell is when Billy is not around out=r best ball carrier in heavy traffic and he clears out the rucks properly, something no one else seems to be able to do.

Lawes although not the worse performer by a long shot, is not a 6 at this level and is better in the 2nd row, things got a lot better when he reverted to type and Haskell came on.

Mako is suffering from post Lions Blues, he is not the carrier he was last year, at the moment we would do better to revert to Marler starting Mako impacting.

George is not better than Hartley as a starter and doesn't offer the leadership Hartley does. LCD still has throwing in issues..

Why can we not pass flat from the base of the breakdown to players already running onto the ball. Kids get taught how to do that. I can't believe that it is the 9's inability so is it the captain's call or just a lack of people willing to make the run. This part of our play was absolutely shocking. In the last ten, when we did do it we looked a bit like the England of old when we did for 60 minutes and wore the other teams out.

The backline is devoid of ideas, even when Teo was calling for the ball to straighten up the line and hit a gap, we missed him and just shovelled it wide. Is this Ford or Farrell's fault, the gaps were there but we just ignored them.

Robshaw was immense and very unlucky to be pinged for that last penalty, the ball was between his calves and on the top of the maul.

Hughes at this time is not good enough to play at this level, at 19+ stone he should be making inroads every time he gets the ball, he went backwards more than he went forwards.

What happened to Launchbury, from being great over the last two games he has gone to being very ordinary, looks like his confidence is shot, needs a kick up the backside.

My team for Ireland:

Marler
Hartley
Sinckler
Itoje
Lawes
Robshaw
Simmons (has the look to me of an outstanding 7)
Haskell
Care
Farrell
May
Daley
JJ
Watson
Brown

George
Mako
Cole/Williams
Launchbury
Armand
Robson/ A.N. Other, Wiggy is solid but couldn't light a match
Slade
Lozowski

A few calls in from outside the current squad, but hey, we need to know and we do not have many choices, especially in the back row.
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Post by Geordie Sun 11 Mar 2018, 10:59 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Because you're big pessimistic gf! A few people here sound like the Disney lemmings ready to throw yourselves off the cliff!

How am I pessimistic when I said on here what would happen? I told you I'm a realist.

The players look shot to bits.

Mako is half the man he was.. likewise Itoje. They need a rest.

So make the calls and change the players. Eddie has failed to do that.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun 11 Mar 2018, 11:08 am

As an outsider who watches a lot of the Aviva my observation are as follows
TH - Cole is not mobile for the modern games needs replacing
Stop playing a lock in the backrow - pick the best combination from Itoje, Launchbury and Lawes and the other is on the bench.
Trying to find room for all 3 is a mistake.
Houston is a poor mans Vunipola and should not be picked
Commentary in the Ireland game basically implied England were the weakest of the old 5N at the breakdown - that needs addressing quickly
Care is not good enough - cant understand why Robson doesn't get a look in
Stop the Ford, Farrell experiment now. Farrell for 10, if he wants another play maker in midfield then pick Henry Slade at 13

PS please make these changes are next week not for next weekend Very Happy

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 11:56 am

Pessimistic gf as suddenly everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bath water. Vunipola has been excellent in the scrum this 6 nations! Surprisingly so but Hatley has done a great job. We have 2 defeats in a row which is disappointing but on another day could have been 2 wins. Fine lines and some partially enforced selections doesn't mean jones is on the wrong path. Next week back at Twickenham. I'm not too concerned tbh.

The experiment of ford Farrell ended about a year or more ago. It works. Slade is still injured as far as I know so he won't be back for next week.


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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Sun 11 Mar 2018, 12:59 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Pessimistic gf as suddenly everyone wants to throw the baby out with the bath water. Vunipola has been excellent in the scrum this 6 nations! Surprisingly so but Hatley has done a great job. We have 2 defeats in a row which is disappointing but on another day could have been 2 wins. Fine lines and some partially enforced selections doesn't mean jones is on the wrong path. Next week back at Twickenham. I'm not too concerned tbh.

7.5, Mako has been consistent in the scrum, but he is there for his ball carrying not his scrummaging. At the moment the ball carrying is poor, if that is due to receiving too much static ball, he is to blame for not making the runs to allow the 9 to feed him flat ball. If nothing changes in that department Marler is a much stronger scrummager who can dominate opponents and should start, especially against a strong scrum like Ireland's. We need to go back to the formula of having the exciting players, in EJ's terms, "the finishers" on the bench and having the players that can grind a side down in the first 60 to start. A front five of Marler, Hartley, Cole (possibly Williams) and perm 2 from Itoje, Launchbury and Lawes, the other on the bench would be along those lines, with the likes of George, Mako, Sinkler all coming on to hit the holes in a tired opposition.

Either sides are getting fitter or England are failing to wear them down like we did last year, not having Youngs starting may be part of it, Care is far better when small gaps start to form, Wiggy is far better at the tire them out, perhaps they should be reversed if EJ doe snot want to bring in somebody else.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 1:26 pm

I agree with that. Vunipola is there starting as Marler was or is partly on the naughty step! Vunipola is still being used as first receiver ala retallick as well. We are missing youngs though totally agree. Care doesn't organise things as well and Wigglesworth is steady but not good enough at this level. Too late to integrate a new sh though.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun 11 Mar 2018, 2:04 pm

Slade played in the last Exeter Aviva game so I don't think he is injured
For all Englands success the backs have never really flowed so cant agree Ford Farrell works.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 2:08 pm

Flowed in what respect? I had reservations about it for a while but it's working. Of we have a number of options but can't help but feel it'll be smith who puts real pressure on the axis rather than someone coming from midfield. Bar perhaps should Tuilagi start to pull up trees.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 11 Mar 2018, 2:17 pm

Having just watched yesterdays game against France. I think it would be fare to say that England will not win against Ireland next week, unless they improve there game Ireland will be 6ns Grand Slam winners.

England gave far tooooooo many penalties away for my liking. This is an area of concern for England. If England think they could challenge the All Blacks based on yesterdays performance, they are very much mistaken. 

But in Eddie Jones i have faith. faith that he will do what is best for England and get them back to winning ways.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:10 pm

Realistically, we can forget beating anyone if EJ continues to play 3 2nd rows.
Whatever EJ does now will be pivotal to the development of this generation. We have screwed up that last 2 WC cycles, the last one monumentally.
Now is the time EJ goes back to the drawing board;
Strategy - we need to play the new Laws
Selection
Coaching
Leadership
It is crucial the RFU revisits the issue of player Welfare in concert with Premiership Rugby and the players Union. We have to address the number of injuries to our leading players. The availability stats must be horrific.
As to beating the AB's.......today I say 'dream on'.


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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:20 pm

Right away EJ has to examine his selection as a matter of urgency. The championship has gone, so NOW is a fantastic opportunity to start afresh and finish at home on a high. Be brave and drop the dead wood. There is no point waiting to the summer.

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Post by king_carlos Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:24 pm

There's no need to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Mako is a good player who looks knackered. Likewise for Itoje and Cole. Lawes is a good player who's being picked out of position.

In my opinion the last two games have just brutally exposed the three main errors Jones has made:

1. Papering over the cracks in the back row by playing Lawes out of position.

2. Only selecting two scrum halfs in the training squads.

3. Failing to look at a third choice hooker.

If Hughes is unavailable for next week then I'd happily see Ben Curry brought onto the bench. He's in very good form with Sale and IMO a better player than Gary Graham.

1.Marler 2.Hartley 3.Cole 4.Launchbury 5.Lawes 6.Robshaw 7.Haskell 8.Simmonds
9.Care 10.Farrell 11.May 12.Te'o 13.Daly 14.Watson 15.Brown

16.George 17.Mako 18.Sinckler 19.Itoje 20.Hughes/B Curry 21.Wigglesworth 22.Ford 23.Joseph

I'd be happy with that at HQ on Saturday.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:28 pm

I think dropping people into what is a pressure game against Ireland may not be the best environment for them to flourish. The one area where there is the nig question is the back row. Hughes injury didn't look good though I've heard nothing on it since. I suspect he'll be missing so he may be tempted to go with lawes again. The other option is haskell simmonds and Robshaw and perhaps bring mercer in as he's the only other back row in and around the squad by my reckoning. I cant see them moving away from the defensive system they've been using for so long though.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:44 pm

You have a defeatist mindset. There is no point carrying on making the same mistakes over and over again.
Absolutely we have to play a real back row. If EJ doesn't realise that then we are screwed.
I would take Robshaw and Simmonds, but don't see the point of starting Haskell. He won't make Japan and there are still other options.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:48 pm

You don't read many of my posts on the subject if you don't think I've stated my opinion on the back row.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:49 pm

Fair play, I reread your post and have amended mine.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:54 pm

I would play haskellwas initially thinking at 7 but I do like the other idea of him moving to 8 and giving simmonds the openside. Anyone coming in with less than a week to aclimitise is facing an uphill battle. That would mean starting mercer. He could do it but it would make a very inexperienced back row in a pressure game.

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Post by majesticimperialman Sun 11 Mar 2018, 3:58 pm

I was just wandering if Hughes is unavalible, and from the look of it he we be out, do ED bring in Mercer? or does he put Haskell at 8?

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:21 pm

I would continue with Hartley's non selection, in effect dropping him if he's now fit. Simple but brutally he will not make Japan.
Likewise, Haskell, Wigglesworth and Brown.
Equally it is obvious there is a huge amount of exhaustion within the squad plus others just returning.
Marler owes Vunipola and the team a massive performance for his stupid suspensions.
Marler, George, Williams
Launchbury, Otoje (C)
Robshaw, Simmonds, either of Mercer, Willis or Curry based on fitness.
Robson
Ford
Watson
Te'o
Slade
Joseph
Daly

Vunipola, LCD, Sinckler
Lawes, either Mercer, Willis, Curry twin
Care, Farrell, Tuilagi

Hughes has obviously been struggling for fitness and so form and I would guess is now out for the season. Any news on Billy Vunipola?

The modern game requires pace, vision and the ability to keep the ball in hand (rugby playing Skills!) avoiding where possible the floor ruck slow down.




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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:25 pm

Bit of a scratch side then. Joseph on the wing?

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:28 pm

Joseph on the wing. He's played there before, has enough pace and has the rugby intelligence to play in concert with Slade and Daly. May has better pace but is limiting at this level and cannot play the situation when things change.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:30 pm

I'm assuming wade is injured!

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:30 pm

Yes its a one off game and obviously Robson and the flanker will be late additions. However they are good enough.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:33 pm

Very drole. Wade still has the potential and when Wasps win the premiership playing modern expansive rugby you'll have to eat your words. However right now his form has dropped only scoring in our last game.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:38 pm

Eat my words how? And why would a team winning the prem change anything about a player. What I've said about wade was that there were times he could have established himself and he got injured. Had and still has question marks on his defence and now won't get the chance as the next set of players are coming through. It's something that Clifford and slade will go though in the near future should they not establish themselves pretty quickly.

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Post by geoff999rugby Sun 11 Mar 2018, 4:56 pm

One player England should bring into the squad is Willis - he is going to be a class act.

I'd also take a serious look at Polledri - he could prove very useful in the future.
Take him on the summer tour before the Italians do

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Post by doctor_grey Sun 11 Mar 2018, 5:01 pm

BY the way,
Is Wiggly the absolute slowest 9 in England? When it was time to get things going, he was like watching paint dry. He certainly waited for the defense to get in position (maybe he was just being 'sporting'?). Is there no other 9 in our blessed isle who knows how to stick his head up someone's rear end grabbing at a big ball?

And, yes, Care, is a clear finisher, not a starter.

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Post by SecretFly Sun 11 Mar 2018, 5:04 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:One player England should bring into the squad is Willis - he is going to be a class act.

I'd also take a serious look at Polledri - he could prove very useful in the future.
Take him on the summer tour before the Italians do

Shut it, Geoff. No need for you to be coaching England. Let Jones do it until after next week anyway.

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Post by kingelderfield Sun 11 Mar 2018, 5:41 pm

Remember Wade is world class:)
You mentioning Wade did though get me thinking. Basically, looking at the back line we have to be dynamic and spatially exploitive, rugby intelligent etc.
Therefore we could alternatively play;
Robson
Solomona
Ford
Farrell
Joseph
Watson
Daly

Care Te'o Slade


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Post by geoff999rugby Sun 11 Mar 2018, 5:49 pm

SecretFly wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:One player England should bring into the squad is Willis - he is going to be a class act.

I'd also take a serious look at Polledri - he could prove very useful in the future.
Take him on the summer tour before the Italians do

Shut it, Geoff.  No need for you to be coaching England.  Let Jones do it until after next week anyway.

I did say they should only make changes are next weekend.

Fortunately Eddie will do exactly that - so I think I got away with it Fingers Crossed

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Post by Breadvan Sun 11 Mar 2018, 6:28 pm

I've believed for a while now that England are seriously missing a quality backs/skills coach. We haven't had one since Brian Ashton was on SCWs team and it was a real shame bomber couldn't tempt Wayne Smith over at the start of his tenure.
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Post by No 7&1/2 Sun 11 Mar 2018, 6:39 pm

Armand rather than willis brought in. Lawes dropped. Injured knee apparently.

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Post by TightHEAD Sun 11 Mar 2018, 7:18 pm

Great news, cheifs are champs and sitting top of the Prem, why wouldn't you use players that have got them in that position.
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