BBC Wales out of running to show Pro 14 next season

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Live coverage of club rugby will not be shown on BBC Two Wales next season after the BBC failed to reach a deal to continue broadcasting the Pro 14 tournament.

Competition organisers are understood to have awarded the UK rights to a pay-TV service, but BBC Wales had hoped to continue broadcasting games in Wales.

It means viewers will no longer be able to watch club games on free-to-air television in English. Negotiations over Welsh language rights are ongoing.

So you'd be better off watching the welsh prem and the good players playing in the french leagues rugby? Not sure I'd like that as a fan!

profitius wrote:

Sky don't want rugby anymore and BT only have so many channels to show rugby.

They did bid for exclusive Uk and Ireland pro14 rights though.

The likes of Eir sports coming on board should be welcomed

Yes I'm sure it is in Ireland where they now have 1 broadcaster for most of the games!

At the end of the day, a new broadcaster is coming in to offer the pro14 more money. And if they turned down BBC's increased offer then thats good news.

I tend to agree. More money is key.

Fair enough. Does seem like it will require a shift in mentality for the fans in Wales/Scotland who've become accustomed to FTA rugby.

Don't see an issue with it personally, its the same model as in England - pay up or don't watch

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:
The Pro14 has bitten off more than it can chew in this respect, adding teams and splitting to conferences etc. The nightmare logistics involved with one single broadcaster showing it means that it's unlikely that 1 broadcaster goes for it.

Why?

Because, like sky sports have shown, they are not interested. The Pro14 should have done everything in it's power to convince Sky (and to a lesser extent BT Sports) to get exclusive rights. But instead they seemed to be chasing a solution that involved Eir Sports, and then think about the rest at a later date.

Time will tell if that was the right option. I don't think it is.

Now again you're making things up and are full of sh!t, except the articles from a while back claimed that Sky wanted exclusive rights to the UK and Ireland but were OUTBID by Eir in Ireland so instead of acknowledging whats been reported you pick the elements you want to create a conspiracy that exists only in your mind

Yes, Sky were outbid for the Irish rights only.

Sky wanted both UK and Ireland, which would have been great. But the Pro14 wanted the irish rights to go to EirSports. So Sky bailed.

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

BamBam wrote:Fair enough. Does seem like it will require a shift in mentality for the fans in Wales/Scotland who've become accustomed to FTA rugby.

Don't see an issue with it personally, its the same model as in England - pay up or don't watch

Sure they already have some games on Sky plus the Euro games that are on BT

So what channels CURRENTLY show the Pro14 ?

BBC 2 Wales
S4C
BBC ALBA
BBC NI
Sky sports

I'm guessing its still TG4 in Ireland ?

Not sure about Italy or SA

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

That's kind of how a tender process works, people aren't meant to know

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

That's kind of how a tender process works, people aren't meant to know

So despite having absolutely no evidence that an Irish only bid from Sky sports was made, and infact the only evidence in the press being the opposite, i.e: - "Sky’s strategy was based on having the rights for both the UK and Ireland" - you still insist that a tender process that involved Sky and Eirsports for the Irish rights only was followed?

Fair play, you've posted some muck on here but that's surely in the Top 20.

munkian wrote:So what channels CURRENTLY show the Pro14 ?

BBC 2 Wales
S4C
BBC ALBA
BBC NI
Sky sports

I'm guessing its still TG4 in Ireland ?

Not sure about Italy or SA

Zebre and Benetton are covered Eurosport in Italy (only in Italy) - they may release footage to UK/Ireland channels
Cheetahs and Kings are covered by SuperSport (only in RSA) - they may release footage to UK/Ireland channels

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

That's kind of how a tender process works, people aren't meant to know

So despite having absolutely no evidence that an Irish only bid from Sky sports was made, and infact the only evidence in the press being the opposite, i.e: - "Sky’s strategy was based on having the rights for both the UK and Ireland" - you still insist that a tender process that involved Sky and Eirsports for the Irish rights only was followed?

Fair play, you've posted some muck on here but that's surely in the Top 20.

Back to making things up, care to show where I've stated Sky made an Irish only bid?

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

That's kind of how a tender process works, people aren't meant to know

So despite having absolutely no evidence that an Irish only bid from Sky sports was made, and infact the only evidence in the press being the opposite, i.e: - "Sky’s strategy was based on having the rights for both the UK and Ireland" - you still insist that a tender process that involved Sky and Eirsports for the Irish rights only was followed?

Fair play, you've posted some muck on here but that's surely in the Top 20.

Back to making things up, care to show where I've stated Sky made an Irish only bid?

Then what on earth are you arguing about?

marty2086 wrote:

BamBam wrote:It will be close to the AP model in a sense, with all the live rights on pay TV, and a highlights package on FTA?

Is there a link to an easy summary of how the TV rights are currently divided up? Few bits I'm not clear on, ie how do TV rights in Ulster work, what about Scottish games etc

BBC NI have the rights for Ulsters games except those Sky chose, BBC Alba have rights to the Scottish games and TG4 have rights to Connacht, Leinster and Munster games. These again are all once Sky have had their pick

Not any more.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

profitius wrote:

Sky don't want rugby anymore and BT only have so many channels to show rugby.

They did bid for exclusive Uk and Ireland pro14 rights though.

The likes of Eir sports coming on board should be welcomed

Yes I'm sure it is in Ireland where they now have 1 broadcaster for most of the games!

At the end of the day, a new broadcaster is coming in to offer the pro14 more money. And if they turned down BBC's increased offer then thats good news.

I tend to agree. More money is key.

They probably wanted something like the current deal which they're picking up from practically nothing compared to what they pay for other sports. I saw somewhere that Thierry Henry gets paid more from sky than the pro14. They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

Back to you making things up, you do realise how a tender process works don't you?

What was Sky's bid for Irish rights?

That's kind of how a tender process works, people aren't meant to know

So despite having absolutely no evidence that an Irish only bid from Sky sports was made, and infact the only evidence in the press being the opposite, i.e: - "Sky’s strategy was based on having the rights for both the UK and Ireland" - you still insist that a tender process that involved Sky and Eirsports for the Irish rights only was followed?

Fair play, you've posted some muck on here but that's surely in the Top 20.

Back to making things up, care to show where I've stated Sky made an Irish only bid?

Then what on earth are you arguing about?

You mean other than the fact you've claimed things were rigged in Eir Sports favour?

You care to share how much Sky bid for the UK and Ireland rights compared to Eir then since you know that it was rigged?

profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

Finally. Thank you.

And this, in my opinion was a big mistake. I realise money is the first and foremost, but I remain unconvinced that a deal involving Eir sport, premier sports and AN Other is going to be better in the long run than a single Sky TV deal.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

PenfroPete wrote:

munkian wrote:So what channels CURRENTLY show the Pro14 ?

BBC 2 Wales
S4C
BBC ALBA
BBC NI
Sky sports

I'm guessing its still TG4 in Ireland ?

Not sure about Italy or SA

Zebre and Benetton are covered Eurosport in Italy (only in Italy) - they may release footage to UK/Ireland channels
Cheetahs and Kings are covered by SuperSport (only in RSA) - they may release footage to UK/Ireland channels

Ta.

I liked that the Kings game was aired on Facebook and Youtube - good to see the league finally adapting to modern tech.

BBC Wales made a "significantly increased financial bid" but could not secure the rights. So, seeing as S4C come under the beeb as well, then thats those two channels gone, plus SKY, so this new channel must be bidding in excess of £10million surely, or otherwise the league is up shoite creek without a paddle.

Why are people not seeing the seriousness of this ?

marty2086 wrote:

You mean other than the fact you've claimed things were rigged in Eir Sports favour?

They had no comparison. They had no Sky bid equivalent to Eir Sports bid Marty. Unless you're willing to share some secret that nobody else knows.

You care to share how much Sky bid for the UK and Ireland rights compared to Eir then since you know that it was rigged?

Again, I'm not aware that the Eir sports bid was comparable. It was Ireland only wasn't it? I thought you knew this.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

Finally. Thank you.

And this, in my opinion was a big mistake. I realise money is the first and foremost, but I remain unconvinced that a deal involving Eir sport, premier sports and AN Other is going to be better in the long run than a single Sky TV deal.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

LordDowlais wrote:BBC Wales made a "significantly increased financial bid" but could not secure the rights. So, seeing as S4C come under the beeb as well, then thats those two channels gone, plus SKY, so this new channel must be bidding in excess of £10million surely, or otherwise the league is up shoite creek without a paddle.

Why are people not seeing the seriousness of this ?

Does the BBC article say they've been outbid? Surely even the Pro14 won't have taken less money for the same services.

marty, for once stop friggin arguing.

How you can be so arrogant to not see how this will effect the league is beyond me, it really is.

Put it this way, Friday night will no longer be rugby night in Ulster.

LordDowlais wrote:BBC Wales made a "significantly increased financial bid" but could not secure the rights. So, seeing as S4C come under the beeb as well, then thats those two channels gone, plus SKY, so this new channel must be bidding in excess of £10million surely, or otherwise the league is up shoite creek without a paddle.

Why are people not seeing the seriousness of this ?

Because we haven't been given all the facts so there's no need for the gnashing of teeth yet ?

I'm hugely sure S4C aren't covered by this as the specifically state 'English language'

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

You mean other than the fact you've claimed things were rigged in Eir Sports favour?

They had no comparison. They had no Sky bid equivalent to Eir Sports bid Marty. Unless you're willing to share some secret that nobody else knows.

You care to share how much Sky bid for the UK and Ireland rights compared to Eir then since you know that it was rigged?

Again, I'm not aware that the Eir sports bid was comparable. It was Ireland only wasn't it? I thought you knew this.

If it wasn't comparable please tell us what it was

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

Finally. Thank you.

And this, in my opinion was a big mistake. I realise money is the first and foremost, but I remain unconvinced that a deal involving Eir sport, premier sports and AN Other is going to be better in the long run than a single Sky TV deal.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

You mean other than the fact you've claimed things were rigged in Eir Sports favour?

They had no comparison. They had no Sky bid equivalent to Eir Sports bid Marty. Unless you're willing to share some secret that nobody else knows.

You care to share how much Sky bid for the UK and Ireland rights compared to Eir then since you know that it was rigged?

Again, I'm not aware that the Eir sports bid was comparable. It was Ireland only wasn't it? I thought you knew this.

If it wasn't comparable please tell us what it was

At this point, I think you're either taking the pizzle or have had a bad day.

Eirsport bid for Ireland
Sky sports bid for UK and Ireland.

Do you agree on this?

LordDowlais wrote:marty, for once stop friggin arguing.

How you can be so arrogant to not see how this will effect the league is beyond me, it really is.

Put it this way, Friday night will no longer be rugby night in Ulster.

Excuse me? You really are something, you have this idiot RugbyFan making stuff up yet not once have you called him out on it, yet when I do, you tell me to stop arguing? If he was Irish you would be all over it

If you have an issue with anything I've said challenge me on it, instead of being a jumped up little dictator trying to tell people what they can and can't do deal with the issues which I have done

Noo ne knows the details but as I have already said, RF is taking little bits from reports and creating a conspiracy

Overall then rugby you're reasonably happy. Increased money for this part with the others to be announced.

munkian wrote:I'm hugely sure S4C aren't covered by this as the specifically state 'English language'

S4C are funded by the BBC.

They may well get games, I don't know. But I cannot see how this new channel is going to cover what is payed by SKY, BBC Wales, BBC NI, BBC ALBA.

BBC Wales already pay millions more than the other regions, trust me, this is going to kill the league.

marty2086 wrote: you have this idiot RugbyFan making stuff up

See I was warned with some red writing for saying things like that.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

You mean other than the fact you've claimed things were rigged in Eir Sports favour?

They had no comparison. They had no Sky bid equivalent to Eir Sports bid Marty. Unless you're willing to share some secret that nobody else knows.

You care to share how much Sky bid for the UK and Ireland rights compared to Eir then since you know that it was rigged?

Again, I'm not aware that the Eir sports bid was comparable. It was Ireland only wasn't it? I thought you knew this.

If it wasn't comparable please tell us what it was

At this point, I think you're either taking the pizzle or have had a bad day.

Eirsport bid for Ireland
Sky sports bid for UK and Ireland.

Do you agree on this?

You said they weren't comparable, are you now saying you don't know the figures but are saying it isn't comparable despite not knowing if it was or it wasn't?

Bbc wales were out bid after putting in an increased off and Welsh language still to be decided.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Overall then rugby you're reasonably happy.  Increased money for this part with the others to be announced.

-Happy with any increased money. Hope fully Pro14 will confirm this soon.

-Not happy at the amount of platforms that us Welsh (and presumably Scottish) will have to purchase in order to watch our domestic rugby teams compared to those in Ireland.

LordDowlais wrote:

munkian wrote:I'm hugely sure S4C aren't covered by this as the specifically state 'English language'

S4C are funded by the BBC.

They may well get games, I don't know. But I cannot see how this new channel is going to cover what is payed by SKY, BBC Wales, BBC NI, BBC ALBA.

BBC Wales already pay millions more than the other regions, trust me, this is going to kill the league.

Why would S4C being funded by the BBC stop them from bidding for TV rights for some games ?

marty2086 wrote:

You said they weren't comparable, are you now saying you don't know the figures but are saying it isn't comparable despite not knowing if it was or it wasn't?

I'm saying sky and eir sports bid for different things. Therefore not comparable. I think you've lost the plot.

Such is life rugby. Reality is that fans pay more as the product looks to make money.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Such is life rugby. Reality is that fans pay more as the product looks to make money.

That's fine. One set of fans paying more than another for the same amount of rugby is, shall we say, "unfortunate".

munkian wrote:

LordDowlais wrote:

munkian wrote:I'm hugely sure S4C aren't covered by this as the specifically state 'English language'

S4C are funded by the BBC.

They may well get games, I don't know. But I cannot see how this new channel is going to cover what is payed by SKY, BBC Wales, BBC NI, BBC ALBA.

BBC Wales already pay millions more than the other regions, trust me, this is going to kill the league.

Why would S4C  being funded by the BBC stop them from bidding for TV rights for some games ?

Because BBC Wales and S4C get a package. They do not bid separately. Unless something has changed recently.

It's a different country rugby. Different currency in some cases. Same thing happens for the European cups. Number of options including moving.

Ld there is a different bid for Welsh language rights.

No 7&1/2 wrote:It's a different country rugby. Different currency in some cases. Same thing happens for the European cups. Number of options including moving.

Wow. How very brexit.

Ha. It's amazing isn't it that where you live will effect you. You have to pay more for a similar house in London than wigan for instance. Wages are better in leeds than Barnsley. Etc etc.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ha. It's amazing isn't it that where you live will effect you. You have to pay more for a similar house in London than wigan for instance. Wages are better in leeds than Barnsley. Etc etc.

That's not a comparable analogy at all.

Unless you're actually saying that living in Newport is far more desirable than say Dublin.

This Premier Media that basis itself out of Luxembourg, what national TV service is it ?

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

You said they weren't comparable, are you now saying you don't know the figures but are saying it isn't comparable despite not knowing if it was or it wasn't?

I'm saying sky and eir sports bid for different things. Therefore not comparable. I think you've lost the plot.

So there weren't separate tender processes for both then?

Well if you want a different set of tv move rugby. Or pay the going rate. Or make a choice on what you're willing to pay.

RugbyFan100 wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ha. It's amazing isn't it that where you live will effect you. You have to pay more for a similar house in London than wigan for instance. Wages are better in leeds than Barnsley. Etc etc.

That's not a comparable analogy at all.

Unless you're actually saying that living in Newport is far more desirable than say Dublin.

I prefer Newport to Dublin, its an absolute rip off and full of skag heads.

Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

marty2086 wrote:

RugbyFan100 wrote:

marty2086 wrote:

You said they weren't comparable, are you now saying you don't know the figures but are saying it isn't comparable despite not knowing if it was or it wasn't?

I'm saying sky and eir sports bid for different things. Therefore not comparable. I think you've lost the plot.

So there weren't separate tender processes for both then?

One for Irish rights and one for Uk and Irish rights that included both Eir Sports and Sky Sports ?- not that I'm aware of. Again, if you can show me that there was - I will gladly accept that I've learnt something today.

No 7&1/2 wrote: Or pay the going rate.

That's the point that you seem completely unable to understand.

The new tv deal has meant that the purchase points are now different. Where this was not the case before.

The Welsh and Scottish look set to be shafted unless something changes. Unsurprising, but true.