20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

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Edinburgh Squad

LH's: Schoeman, Dell, Marfo, Sutherland
Hookers: McInally, Ford, Fenton, Cherry
TH's: Nel, Berghan, McCallum, Ceccarelli
Second Row: Gilchrist, Toolis, McKenzie, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill
Back Row: Barclay, Hamilton, Crosbie; Watson, Ritchie; Bradbury, Mata, Miller, Nayalo

SH's: Pyrgos, Fowles, Kennedy, Shiel
FH's: Hickey, VDW, McLelland, Baggott
Centres: Scott, Socino, Bennett, Dean, Johnstone, G Taylor
Back 3: Fife, VDM, Hoyland, Brown, Graham; Kinghorn

Forward Total: 26
- Internationals: 16 (14 Scots, 1 Italian, 1 Fijian)
- NSQ: 4 (1 of whom is a project)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 7 (2 capped)
Backs Total: 20
- Internationals: 8 (Socino lone non-Scot)
- NSQ: 4 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 10 (2 capped)

Total: 46

Glasgow Squad

LH's: Bhatti, Allan, Kebble
Hookers: Brown, Turner, Stewart, Bryce
TH's: Fagerson, Nuka, Rae, Nicol
Second Row: Gray, Swinson, Cummings, McDonald, Brian, Peterson, Davidson
Back-Row: M Fagerson, Harley; Gibbins, Smith, Fusaro; Wilson, Ashe, Tameilau, Flockhart

SH's: Price, G Horne,Frisby, Mata, Baletto
FH's: Horne, Hastings, Jackson
Centres: Dunbar, H Jones, Johnson, Dunbar, Grigg, P Kelly
Back 3: Seymour, VDM, L Jones, Masaga, Tagive, Hughes, Beattie, Nairn; Hogg, Thomson

Forward Total: 27
- Internationals: 15 (12 Scots, 2 Americans, 1 Tongan)
- NSQ: 6 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 11 (4 capped, both projects)
Backs Total: 24
- Internationals: 14 (10 Scots, 1 Fijian, 1 Kiwi, 1 Canadian, 1 Aussie)
- NSQ: 4 (No projects if Thomson is already tied to SA)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 8 (1 capped)

Total: 51

Overall: 97 players
- Internationals: 53 (43 Scots)
- NSQ: 19 (5 projects)
- Under 25: 36 (9 capped)

I think Stewart has probably jumped into third spot already. He was pretty impressive in his game time last season, considering his level of experience.

AS we are likely to lose both Brown and Turner in the international windows though, we will still need one, if not two other hookers. Malcolm and Bryce are playing for those one or two spots. I am not sure if either of them are long term prospects though.

Is Malcolm good? Could he not be sent off to Cockerill or to LS for development?

He is turning 24 in September which is still fairly young.

K Bryce did well enough to get capped. He is turning 30 in September. His problem are injuries. If he could do a Gilchrist and stay healthy, he may be a professional player.

Hazel Sapling wrote:Is Malcolm good? Could he not be sent off to Cockerill or to LS for development?
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Edinburgh already have 4 hookers, not sure another one is going to be needed just now.

EWT Spoons wrote:

Hazel Sapling wrote:Is Malcolm good? Could he not be sent off to Cockerill or to LS for development?
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Edinburgh already have 4 hookers, not sure another one is going to be needed just now.

When Malcolm first made his breakthrough he was MOTM a few times and GC was claiming he must have grown up in Ayr (or thrown up in Ayr one Fair Friday). He was seen as quite a prospect. I wonder if he's one of those NH players who doesn't respond to constructive criticism? It seems there are a couple of them skulking in the corners at Scotstoun, according to DR. Toonie saw something in Malcolm which Dr doesn't.

As for Bryce: he was capped so there must have been a good hooker there at one point.


Finally Schiz seems to be in rehab again, so I'll say it for him...."Brotheltown has never suffered a shortage of Hookers". I'll get my coat.

Bryce was capped as an emergency back row on a summer tour!

Hooker capped as back row in summer tour

Is that some weird masonic initiation ritual that only Scotland do?

jimbopip wrote:
Finally Schiz seems to be in rehab again, so I'll say it for him...."Brotheltown has never suffered a shortage of Hookers". I'll get my coat.

jimbopip wrote:Hooker capped as back row in summer tour

Is that some weird masonic initiation ritual that only Scotland do?

The last time I took a hooker on a summer holiday it was frowned upon!

Apparently Hardie failed a medical at Clermont at the start of the summer. Since then has had a couple of ops and is now apparently back in France.

Could a move to Clermont be on the cards for Hardie. His physical style would go down well there.

He has posted on Instagram showing France fans celebrating after last night so he is in France - could be a holiday but more likely for rugby!

I just hope he gets somewhere in top flight rugby - he's a good enough player and still could be an option for Scotland.

I reckon Clermont. Vern know's him, probably told him if he got himself sorted injury wise they would revisit any deal for him.

I realise there are a lot of assumptions in that, but.....nah i've got nothing, it's a lot of assumptions.

Vern coaches Montpelier now!

And my first assumption is down, clearly forgetting the last few years and that Vern isn't at Clermont any more. It's been a long week.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Vern coaches Montpelier now!

Yeah I remembered right after I posted it. No idea why I thought he was still at Clermont.

Has there been any more info about the new proposed Edinburgh Stadium? All seems to have gone quiet!!!

The planning permission is in with the council (can be viewed online) but that's where it's up to currently I believe.

There's loads of documents submitted with the planning application that gives a lot of detail

For those of us who can't be bothered...does it have a spa? A waxing salon? A quiet reading room?

jimbopip wrote:For those of us who can't be bothered...does it have a spa? A waxing salon? A quiet reading room?

None of those, but it does have a caged pen for when the weegies come visit.

Although saying that, it probably isn't needed as we'll still be having two 1872 games at Murrayfield each season!

RDW_Scotland wrote:There's loads of documents submitted with the planning application that gives a lot of detail

That's the sort of detailed invective that Bru now charges 1200 quid an hour for.

RDW_Scotland wrote:

jimbopip wrote:For those of us who can't be bothered...does it have a spa? A waxing salon? A quiet reading room?

None of those, but it does have a caged pen for when the weegies come visit.

Is that so we can sign the visitors' book?

George Carlin wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:There's loads of documents submitted with the planning application that gives a lot of detail

That's the sort of detailed invective that Bru now charges 1200 quid an hour for.

Plus VAT and disbursements.

As you know, I'm not a highly paid waste of oxygen law type like Bru or FES so I sometimes wander around the boards looking for something to pass the time.

I thought I'd go onto the footy boards to surely be able to laugh a various levels of trolling. Unfortunately it was all rather quiet. So I went to a place where surely there must be some form of fighting and shouting. The Scottish Football boards. I was shocked to see the last post there was on Sat Sep 10, 2016

Football really is manure eh

tigertattie wrote:As you know, I'm not a highly paid waste of oxygen law type like Bru or FES so I sometimes wander around the boards looking for something to pass the time.

I thought I'd go onto the footy boards to surely be able to laugh a various levels of trolling. Unfortunately it was all rather quiet. So I went to a place where surely there must be some form of fighting and shouting. The Scottish Football boards. I was shocked to see the last post there was on Sat Sep 10, 2016

Football really is manure eh

I think the problem (if it's a problem) is that there are a lot of football forums, which have a long established following/membership. Pie & Bovril for example is massive if chatting about Scottish football is your bag, and trying to compete with something that established isn't an easy task. I only ended up here because the previous rugby forum i frequented shut down, which isn't something these football forums have faced.

Yeah we've never really had a big football forum here. Rugby is by far the most popular with tennis, boxing and cricket relatively popular but well behind rugby.

For those that don't know this site was set up when BBC shut down their 606 forum (hence why we're called 606V2!) A few people set sites up but this is where most of the rugby crowd went.

It may be one for old Admin boy, but the profile of this place is really really low.

One thing I'd suggest changing is the name! 606v2 doesn't exactly cry out what this place is.

Also, if you google UK Sport forum, we don't show up after scrolling through 5 pages of results. Interestingly, a rival forum (I know it's a rival as it's called Not606, I'm assuming its made up of bammers from 606 who have been banned or told to stop slavering nonsense) does appear in the google search.

Mind you, I suppose a higher profile means a higher risk of Neanderthals joining in and we already have enough Glasgow fans here!

We certainly could do with raising our profile, and we get daily contacts from SEO companies offering their services to do this, but this is something the owners of the forum (the 'Founders' with black badges) need to do. To be honest there's not many of them about anymore with some of them moved on long ago, so there's not really anyone driving this.

We do have a very good core of members in the rugby forum so I'm fairly relaxed just now, but I might go speak to the powers at be to see what we can do. I ran the V2 forum Twitter feed for a while but changed phones and forgot the password, plus I don't have the login details for the V2 forum email address it was linked to!

That last post did make I smile. You Luddite RDW.

I'd suggest that a marketing campaign is run only in the Edinburgh area. We only want to attract a higher class of new posters afterall.

No Americans, Yorkshire-men or Weegies please!

tigertattie wrote:I'd suggest that a marketing campaign is run only in the Edinburgh area. We only want to attract a higher class of new posters afterall.

No Americans, Yorkshire-men or Weegies please!

Well that ruins my idea of using Cambridge Analytica

NeilyBroon wrote:

tigertattie wrote:I'd suggest that a marketing campaign is run only in the Edinburgh area. We only want to attract a higher class of new posters afterall.

No Americans, Yorkshire-men or Weegies please!

Well that ruins my idea of using Cambridge Analytica

Nelly wins the internet today

IanBru wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:There's loads of documents submitted with the planning application that gives a lot of detail

That's the sort of detailed invective that Bru now charges 1200 quid an hour for.

Plus VAT and disbursements.

Have you qualified now??

Jeez, I'm out of it for a little while and everybody gets delusions of grandeur

funnyExiledScot wrote:

IanBru wrote:

George Carlin wrote:

RDW_Scotland wrote:There's loads of documents submitted with the planning application that gives a lot of detail

That's the sort of detailed invective that Bru now charges 1200 quid an hour for.

Plus VAT and disbursements.

Have you qualified now??

Jeez, I'm out of it for a little while and everybody gets delusions of grandeur

Welcome back FES old socks. Have you found a way to get round the firm's firewall, then?

Sadly not GC, am using mobile and home PC only. Will need to consider going back to private practice and it's inadequate IT security!!

Welcome back FES! Will this be a permanent stay or another 6 month wait until the next post?

Weegie dominance is on the wane - it's a good time to be here!

A good point! Weegies are in the decline, something I'm sure their balanced fans are ready to admit....

funnyExiledScot wrote:A good point! Weegies are in the decline, something I'm sure their balanced fans are ready to admit....

Never!

I would dispute that just because Edinburgh have improved a little bit, it therefore means we are in decline!

funnyExiledScot wrote:A good point! Weegies are in the decline, something I'm sure their balanced fans are ready to admit....

Quite right. 

Just because Glasgow lost fewer games than Edinburgh in the last league campaign, scored more league points, had a better match points differential of nearly 2 times and made it to the semi final whereas Edinburgh didn't, it totally doesn't mean that they're better. You can prove anything with bloody facts.

Where's the fishing emoji when you need one....

Putting aside the apparent need to explain the difference between 'decline' and 'worse than', I think even the greatest of unwashed would admit that Glasgow's development has stalled somewhat since the league win. The very fact they haven't really come close to winning the league since or made much of a mark in Europe (QF aside, where they weren't overly competitive) is a good  definition of decline!  Not to mention Edinburgh winning 3 of the last 4 1872 cups...
 
Add to all this DR's disappointing first season, whilst Edinburgh certainly haven't overtaken Glasgow (which I didn't even say in the first place) Glasgow are certainly not a club showing any sign of progress and could be argued are in decline. Big season ahead for DR!

George Carlin wrote:

funnyExiledScot wrote:A good point! Weegies are in the decline, something I'm sure their balanced fans are ready to admit....

Quite right. 

Just because Glasgow lost fewer games than Edinburgh in the last league campaign, scored more league points, had a better match points differential of nearly 2 times and made it to the semi final whereas Edinburgh didn't, it totally doesn't mean that they're better. You can prove anything with bloody facts.

I vaguely recall Glasgow & Edinburgh winning the same number of games in the league, I know you said "lost fewer" but unless Glasgow had a lot of draws, I don't think there was much in it, but happy to be proven wrong.

However, as RDW says, I don't think any Edinburgh fans are saying Edinburgh have overtaken Glasgow, just Glasgow aren't quite as good as they were, despite the blistering start to the campaign, they did stall a bit towards the end.

Glasgow drew a game, so technically he is correct! We both had the same number of wins though, but BPs (or lack of) let us down in the end

Aye I knew of one draw, but I assumed there was more, as it seems like a strange call out.

Yeah BPs were our downfall, or Glasgow’s success (whichever way you want to look at it).

EWT Spoons wrote:Aye I knew of one draw, but I assumed there was more, as it seems like a strange call out.

Yeah BPs were our downfall, or Glasgow’s success (whichever way you want to look at it).  

It's GC so of course it's going to be strange! Not even cool strange like Dr Strange just odd strange like that thing growing on Jimbopip's left buttock!

Interestingly, DR was on a NZ website talking about the Blackness' recent thumping of the Cheese- Eating Surrender-Monkeys ; he said the main difference between the sides was fitness. His take was that after 50 minutes the French were cream crackered and the AB's made hay thereafter. He also commented on the SH tendency to pick players who have higher skill levels: making the point that they expect props to be able to pass the ball, catch the ball and run with the ball as opposed to England who, amazingly, pick props based on who is the best scrummager.

So far so DR.

However, he then commented on the challenges of managing a club in the northern hemisphere and focussed on the crucial importance of pacing it over the whole season, allowing for the AI's and Six Nations and rotating to keep players fresh for the business end of the season. This from the coach who had the conference wrapped in after ten games but kept flogging his first 23 for the rest of the season.  


I think we'll see a lot more rotation this season, but still not the full Tombola. And while it's heartening to think he's learning from his mistakes it does make me think of the remark made by that other great manager, Otto Von Bismark….


"Only a fool learns from his mistakes! I learn from other people's mistakes."

3rd 1872 game will be at Scotstoun.

so 2 at glasgow, 1 at Edinburgh.

Makes sense from a sporting point of view, possibly not financially, but ultimately the right decision. Festive double header will stay as is, but the last game at Scotstoun

Next season’s 1872 Cup will once again be contested over three rounds, with Scotstoun now hosting the final match of the series, as a Glasgow Warriors home match, on the last day of the regular Guinness PRO14 season following a review by Scottish Rugby of operational and logistical elements.

With an increased capacity set to be in place at Scotstoun for the fixture, the match will continue to form part of the Edinburgh Season Ticket Membership package. Supporters who have already purchased their Membership for next year will receive a letter in the post in the coming days.

Any Season Ticket Members who are unable to travel to the match in Glasgow or simply do not wish to attend, will be offered an additional ticket to any home Edinburgh match of their choice in 2018/19. Details of how to redeem your ticket for the final 1872 Cup match in Glasgow (or an alternative Edinburgh home game) will be communicated in due course.

The festive double-header at BT Murrayfield and Scotstoun respectively will remain over the 2018/19 Christmas and New Year period.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused and thank you for your continued support.

Might give Glasgow a chance of winning!

sounds like the SRU have bowed to the pressure of the whinging Weegies

Give an inch and they'll take a mile!

We should play all 1872 games at Scotstoun on that sandpaper pitch with Al Kellock as referee, just to even things up....

DR is spot on about the importance of conditioning at the business end of the season. Keeping your squad fit and fresh is absolutely crucial. Obviously having strong squad depth is important, but that's easier said than done. Cockerill is clearly focused on that with his transfer manoeuvres but I don't think either of the Scottish Pro Sides have quite the depth of the big two in Ireland and Scarlets. I'm really not happy with us constantly giving Scarlets decent players either. We should have offloaded Ryan Wilson.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Glasgow drew a game, so technically he is correct! We both had the same number of wins though, but BPs (or lack of) let us down in the end

That's the most Welsh post you've ever plopped out.