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Post by Hazel Sapling Mon 4 Jun - 11:19

First topic message reminder :

Edinburgh Squad

LH's: Schoeman, Dell, Marfo, Sutherland
Hookers: McInally, Ford, Fenton, Cherry
TH's: Nel, Berghan, McCallum, Ceccarelli
Second Row: Gilchrist, Toolis, McKenzie, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill
Back Row: Barclay, Hamilton, Crosbie; Watson, Ritchie; Bradbury, Mata, Miller, Nayalo

SH's: Pyrgos, Fowles, Kennedy, Shiel
FH's: Hickey, VDW, McLelland, Baggott
Centres: Scott, Socino, Bennett, Dean, Johnstone, G Taylor
Back 3: Fife, VDM, Hoyland, Brown, Graham; Kinghorn

Forward Total: 26
- Internationals: 16 (14 Scots, 1 Italian, 1 Fijian)
- NSQ: 4 (1 of whom is a project)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 7 (2 capped)
Backs Total: 20
- Internationals: 8 (Socino lone non-Scot)
- NSQ: 4 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 10 (2 capped)

Total: 46

Glasgow Squad

LH's: Bhatti, Allan, Kebble
Hookers: Brown, Turner, Stewart, Bryce
TH's: Fagerson, Nuka, Rae, Nicol
Second Row: Gray, Swinson, Cummings, McDonald, Brian, Peterson, Davidson
Back-Row: M Fagerson, Harley; Gibbins, Smith, Fusaro; Wilson, Ashe, Tameilau, Flockhart

SH's: Price, G Horne,Frisby, Mata, Baletto
FH's: Horne, Hastings, Jackson
Centres: Dunbar, H Jones, Johnson, Dunbar, Grigg, P Kelly
Back 3: Seymour, VDM, L Jones, Masaga, Tagive, Hughes, Beattie, Nairn; Hogg, Thomson

Forward Total: 27
- Internationals: 15 (12 Scots, 2 Americans, 1 Tongan)
- NSQ: 6 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 11 (4 capped, both projects)
Backs Total: 24
- Internationals: 14 (10 Scots, 1 Fijian, 1 Kiwi, 1 Canadian, 1 Aussie)
- NSQ: 4 (No projects if Thomson is already tied to SA)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 8 (1 capped)

Total: 51

Overall: 97 players
- Internationals: 53 (43 Scots)
- NSQ: 19 (5 projects)
- Under 25: 36 (9 capped)


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Post by RDW Fri 20 Jul - 12:25

Ritchie and Mata played in the summer tours, which is why I didn't include them.

I suspect some of the summer internationalists will be back for the start of the season but my team choice was based on excluding them.

On Ford, if his body is fit I don't think we should write him of yet - he's got a good couple of years left in him age wise and hasn't played in a year so should be fresh again. Whether he is able to hook or not is a different question...

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 20 Jul - 12:50

tigertattie wrote:Sorry but graham simply isn't a pro level fullback.  I really hope he gets game time on the wing as he could be utterly deadly out there.

He's played one game!! Do you remember Hogg in his early days, or Jason Robinson trying to kick a rugby ball when he was moved to 15?? Let's give Graham a bit of a chance.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Fri 20 Jul - 13:18

Fair enough on Mata (who played at 7 in one of his two games). Playing a match against a Pacific Nation is the same as 2 games against another side.

Ritchie played second-tier Canada and subbed in after Argentina were done. Watson is recovering from shoulder surgery. I would rather be sure on Watson. If Ritchie is not ready, move Hamilton to 7 and Crosbie or Miller to 6.

Agree on Ford not being written off. I think he may be needed going into the 6 Nations/World Cup with McInally and Brown not having great injury histories. If Nel and Marfo are starting however, I want Fenton there and Ford to support Schoeman (assuming he is over)/Sutherland and Ceccarelli/McCallum.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Sat 21 Jul - 10:31

Absolutely right not to write off Ford. He's going to be important this season with McInally becoming Scotland's number one hooker. His experience and his bulk are important to the Edinburgh second choice front row, particularly from a scrummaging perspective. We should have him all season as well, as if expect McInally, Brown and Turner to chew up the Scotland slots.

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Post by tigertattie Mon 23 Jul - 11:42

funnyExiledScot wrote:
tigertattie wrote:Sorry but graham simply isn't a pro level fullback.  I really hope he gets game time on the wing as he could be utterly deadly out there.

He's played one game!! Do you remember Hogg in his early days, or Jason Robinson trying to kick a rugby ball when he was moved to 15?? Let's give Graham a bit of a chance.

Ah come on FES, you are the one who normally wants a prerequisite of 1000 hours pro experience in a position.

I'm not writing Graham off but I'd rather he got to play pro level rugby in the position he is accustomed to. Let him show what he can do on the wing and then bring him in to 15 gradually if he shows signs in training that he can do it. This isn;t to stop the boy playing, I'd just be concerned that at 15 he'd be seen as ineffective and then tossed on the scrap pile without him getting his chance on the wing.
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Post by tigertattie Mon 23 Jul - 11:44

PS, at Fullback we have Hogg for a good few years yet and Kinghorn as his understudy so we're sorted for the next 10 years at FB.

Wing on the other hand we're starting to run out of talent on the convener belt!
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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 23 Jul - 13:36

You don't rate Lee Jones as the next big thing on the wing? Neither do I.

Just to be clear, my previous demands for experience are for international players. At club level I'm a bit more progressive....

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Post by tigertattie Mon 23 Jul - 16:17

Put it this way.

Here is a list of names. Pick the one that looks out of place

Nemani Nadolo
Julian Savea
Reiko Ioane
Israel Dagg
Selkirk Pixie


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Post by RDW Mon 23 Jul - 16:33

Israel Dagg - he's totally past it

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Post by funnyExiledScot Mon 23 Jul - 17:18

Jones would run rings around Nadolo, and Dagg just doesn't have the skill set to match the Pixie.

World.

Class.

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Post by des Tue 24 Jul - 14:17

So it's looking increasingly likely that Toulon will be deducted points in the HC due to Mourad Boudjellal being a bit of a tool. I initially though that would be good for Edinburgh but thinking ahead a bit, it wouldn't help us as second placed qualifiers and might even drive Toulon to go harder during the group stages.

Or maybe Mourad Boudjellal will ask them to throw in the towel in another attempt to devalue the competition? I think he's threatened that before but can't remember the details.

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Post by RDW Tue 24 Jul - 14:25

Pro 14 conferences are going to remain the same next season in order to give a bit of consistency in terms of home and away games in the first 2 years of the revised competition.

Edinburgh with a tough start away to Ospreys then Ulster, Glasgow got a trip to SA in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

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Post by BigGee Tue 24 Jul - 14:28

Pro 14 fixtures are out. Both teams have a tough start.

Glasgow away to Connacht then home to Munster

Edinburgh away to Hairspreys and Ulster

At least Glasgow get their double header away to SA in earlier this season, mid September this time and not right before the Euros like last year!

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Post by BigGee Tue 24 Jul - 14:29

Beat me to it RDW!

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Post by Hazel Sapling Tue 24 Jul - 14:33

Edinburgh get their trip to South Africa in late January (the week before the Italy game) against the Southern Kings. Trap game

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Post by EWT Spoons Tue 24 Jul - 14:41

Sod the opening fixtures, Edinburgh's end to the season is hellish.

Leinster Home
Scarlets away
Ulster Home
Glasgow away

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Post by George Carlin Tue 24 Jul - 14:51

EWT Spoons wrote:Sod the opening fixtures, Edinburgh's end to the season is hellish.

Leinster Home
Scarlets away
Ulster Home
Glasgow away
The last game is obviously a 5 point banker for Edinburgh but the rest looks a bit sh!te.
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Post by Hazel Sapling Tue 24 Jul - 16:35

Glasgow finish
- Zebre away
- Cheetahs home
- Ulster home
- Leinster away
- Edinburgh somewhere in Scotland

Don't know who the easy matches are now.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 24 Jul - 17:10

That's a pretty horrendous finish for Edinburgh, as I doubt Ulster will be in as poor shape this season. We'd better get the play off slot wrapped up early!

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Post by EWT Spoons Tue 24 Jul - 17:15

funnyExiledScot wrote:That's a pretty horrendous finish for Edinburgh, as I doubt Ulster will be in as poor shape this season. We'd better get the play off slot wrapped up early!

Plus they'll have dan mcfarland after the lengthy notice period he'll have worked for Scotland by that point.....I think.

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Post by jimbopip Tue 24 Jul - 17:29

EWT Spoons wrote:Sod the opening fixtures, Edinburgh's end to the season is hellish.

Leinster Home
Scarlets away
Ulster Home
Glasgow away


Even allowing that the Luvvies will be better than last season you will in all likelihood be on the back of three defeats before the final game. Laugh

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Post by funnyExiledScot Tue 24 Jul - 19:34

jimbopip wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Sod the opening fixtures, Edinburgh's end to the season is hellish.

Leinster Home
Scarlets away
Ulster Home
Glasgow away


Even allowing that the Luvvies will be better than last season you will in all likelihood be on the back of three defeats before the final game. Laugh

At least the last game is a slam dunk against the end of season chokers Hug

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Post by tigertattie Wed 25 Jul - 9:51

By not shuffling the conferences, Edinburgh have by far the harder conference again.

Edinburgh have Leinster, Scarlets and Ulster.

Meanwhile Glasgow have Munster
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Post by Eejit Wed 25 Jul - 12:28

tigertattie wrote:By not shuffling the conferences, Edinburgh have by far the harder conference again.

Edinburgh have Leinster, Scarlets and Ulster.

Meanwhile Glasgow have Munster

The below is more a collection of random thoughts.

I swear we knew the conferences weren’t going to be shuffled this season last August so that you play the return fixture of the other conference. It makes sense.

Conference B May very well be the harder of the two and I’m happy to concede that point but I don’t think it matters too much. Despite Glasgow’s woeful end to last season the big four teams in the league are still Leinster Scarlets Munster and Glasgow, with Edinburgh, Cardiff, Ulster and the Cheetahs on the rung below hoping to break into the top 4 so it’s pretty balanced all things considered.

Below that i would probably fear an away trip to Galway than to Treviso, although Benetton are certainly finally turning into a good side it looks like.

Excuses will only go so far from now on, with the conference structure both Glasgow and Edinburgh have to be winning consistently against good teams all season and there’s no more room for excuses. Both Rennie and Cockers have had a season to bed in, but unless they deliver the goods this season then SRU might reconsider their positions.

From a Glasgow fan point of view, anything less than a home semi is a failure and not good enough for a club like Glasgow.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 25 Jul - 16:53

A home semi for Glasgow should be the minimum unless there is an apocalyptic set of injuries or they get to the final of the Euros. Even then, playoffs would be minimal. Rennie needs to manage his squad better this season.

Edinburgh. What is the standard for them? Teams will be targeting them and they have upgraded several positions. Are they good enough to get a home semi? Probably a repeat of 3rd and winning a euro match would be solid.

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Post by RDW Wed 25 Jul - 17:06

If we can qualify for the Champions Cup again and not disgrace ourselves in this season's Champions Cup I think that will be a good season. I agree that 3rd place and a few wins in Europe (plus our usual 1872 victory) would be a very good season.

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Post by EWT Spoons Wed 25 Jul - 17:30

Interesting chat on the SRU twitter feed with a video from Dominic McKay, he's mostly talking about how it's been a great year for Scottish rugby, with sell outs etc, but he mentions the SRU are in talks with Glasgow council and their partners about increasing the capacity for Glasgow warriors, due to the continuing sell outs they are having.

The Glasgow forum is a bit of an unhappy place currently, or at least it was, I wonder if this is some good news for them.

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Post by Eejit Wed 25 Jul - 17:54

EWT Spoons wrote:The Glasgow forum is a bit of an unhappy place currently, or at least it was, I wonder if this is some good news for them.
The Glasgow forum is always like that. It’s full of grumpy bstrds.

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Post by Hazel Sapling Wed 25 Jul - 20:54

If they go to 10k-12k, maybe they could stop or reverse some of the price increases

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Post by BigGee Wed 25 Jul - 22:23

Hazel Sapling wrote:If they go to 10k-12k, maybe they could stop or reverse some of the price increases

Can't see that happening, it will all have to be paid for somehow. The cost of professional rugby is only ever going to rise, we are just running to stand still.

Rugby tickets are still very good value especially if you are buying a season ticket.

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Post by George Carlin Thu 26 Jul - 7:05

Eejit wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:The Glasgow forum is a bit of an unhappy place currently, or at least it was, I wonder if this is some good news for them.
The Glasgow forum is always like that. It’s full of grumpy bstrds.
Freebasing on fried Crunchies will do that to you eventually.
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Post by funnyExiledScot Thu 26 Jul - 9:18

BigGee wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:If they go to 10k-12k, maybe they could stop or reverse some of the price increases

Can't see that happening, it will all have to be paid for somehow. The cost of professional rugby is only ever going to rise, we are just running to stand still.

Rugby tickets are still very good value especially if you are buying a season ticket.

Agree. I used to be a season ticket holder at Everton and I can assure you that an Edinburgh season ticket is considerably better value. My main gripe about the Murrayfield experience is the dreadful and overpriced food and drink.

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Post by EWT Spoons Thu 26 Jul - 10:24

First Edinburgh fans forum thing took place last night.  Not part of it myself but sounds very positive.  Lot of good discussions and a bit of engagement which wasn't there previously.

They apparently discussed the recent re-brand in a bit of detail and pointed out if you see a few folk in green & white or in maroon, you know there is a Hibs or Hearts game on (in Edinburgh obviously).  They want to build that recognition with the new colours.  Currently in the pro14 there are roughly 7 teams who have black/Red in their strips so the new colours makes us stand out a bit more and relate to Edinburgh

There was a number of other topics discussed and ideas put forward, but I found that interesting.

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Post by RDW Thu 26 Jul - 10:53

I quite like the new branding - I ordered the new training top last night - and I'm happy for us to try and stand out from the crowd. The exact shade of orange is maybe a bit bright, but it doesn't bother me. Not sure why so many people have gone mad about it (the joys of the social media generation).

What other things were discussed do you know?

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Post by tigertattie Thu 26 Jul - 11:10

Edinburgh Rugby website continues to be gash though!

They have a sale on where they are advertising all manner of things at half price and when you click on and item it's out of stock!

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Post by EWT Spoons Thu 26 Jul - 11:18

I like it too, a lot of the new stuff looks good.

Other topics:

- Digital marketing – Up until recently, unlike Glasgow, Edinburgh didn’t have their own digital team, and were reliant on the SRU one, so most of the messages coming out from Edinburgh were sh*t.  As I think we are all aware.  The SRU team were just cobbling stuff together.  Now there is a dedicated team things have improved.

- New stadium – Suggestion was put forward to have a singing section and named stands, which went down well.  By named stands rather than things like East, West etc, having stands named after locations (Roesburn Stand for example) or former notable players (Jacobson Stand), given most of the biggest football grounds for example have recognisable stand names (KOP, Stratford End) things like that.  These would be chosen by the fans.

- Open training session – not announced yet, but there will be an open session on 10/08 from 1700 – 2000.  Sounds like a good idea to get fans down.

- Beer – Looking at having an “Edinburgh rugby” branded beer.  Will likely only be Tennets or something of that ilk with a different label, but seemed like a popular idea.  Along with having 2 pint branded glasses (or plastic cups things).  Falcons do this, is popular down there (so it seems) so it’s something they are looking into, with potential issues on weights & measure regs.

- Conference suite – They are looking to do something there to make it feel more “Edinburgh rubgy” related, but they can’t put anything up on the walls and due to it being an international stadium, they would need something of the same scale for Glasgow, which sort of defeats the purpose.

That’s all I am aware of currently, but there was a mix of around 20 folk representing different fan groups (season ticket holders, occasional attendees etc), it’ll be interesting to see what if anything comes from it.

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Post by RDW Thu 26 Jul - 11:34

Ah jeez can't wait for the suggestion of names for the news stands from our Glasgow friends which will inevitably be coming our way...

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Post by tigertattie Thu 26 Jul - 16:04

RDW_Scotland wrote:Ah jeez can't wait for the suggestion of names for the news stands from our Glasgow friends which will inevitably be coming our way...

Standy McStandFace?
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Post by Hazel Sapling Thu 26 Jul - 16:27

Brown's Bog? Hine-Quarters? Denton's Dozers?

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Post by Eejit Thu 26 Jul - 22:03

Clarins End?
Harvey Nichols Perfume Counter stand?

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 27 Jul - 8:25

Reminds me of when Man City built their new stadium and the Man Utd fans flooded the vote and insisted on one of the ends being named after one of the Man City greats, Colin Bell.

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Post by RDW Fri 27 Jul - 8:30

Given the man-shaming Edinburgh's pack have dished out to Glasgow in recent years, if we're still the effeminate ones what does that say about Glasgow!

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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 27 Jul - 8:55

SRU has announced 5 players who are off to Stade Nicois for next season.  Given they managed to get promoted last year it’ll give these young lads a chance to play at a higher level than they would in the BT Prem (is it BT prem next year?  I think there is a new sponsor but can’t be bothered to check).

Anyway, good opportunity for them:

SRU wrote:Scottish Rugby is continuing its performance partnership with French side Stade Nicois and has identified six players who will join the club for the coming 2018/19 season.


The French side secured promotion to the national Federale 1 league at the end of last season and will now play in the third tier of French professional rugby.

Their successful campaign was supported by hooker Dave Cherry, back-row Bruce Flockhart and fly-half Josh Henderson, who have returned to sign senior terms with Edinburgh, Glasgow Warriors and Scotland 7s respectively.

Former Glasgow Warriors back-row Tyrone Holmes remains with the club for a second season as a player alongside his strength and conditioning role, where he has responsibility for the young Scottish players.

Fellow former Warriors player Pete Murchie retired due to injury earlier this year while with Stade Nicois and returned to Scotland where he is now Head Coach at Ayr, alongside a specialist coaching role with Scottish Rugby.

Creating opportunities for developing players
Scottish Rugby’s Technical Director Stephen Gemmell said: “Stade Nicois worked incredibly hard last season to achieve promotion and we received some very positive and regular feedback on the contribution the on-loan Scots made to the campaign.

“As the club moves into a higher league we have identified a new group of players who will have the opportunity to develop their careers and broaden their wider experience through living and playing in a different country.

“Federale 1 will be a tougher test and we look forward to supporting the players and the club as they progress through the season.”

The new group heading to France for the coming season is made up of Scottish Rugby academy and Currie Chieftains pair Hamish Bain (who featured in the Scotland U20 squad that secured its highest ever finish of 5th in the 2017 Junior World Championships) and Cameron Hutchison [pictured above], who played in four matches at the 2018 Junior World Championships for Scotland U20.

Joining the academy pair are a further two players identified through the SQ Programme: Boroughmuir and academy lock Archie Erskine [right] (who also featured in the 2017 Junior World Championships and previously played at Newcastle Falcons) and former Yorkshire Carnegie tighthead prop Charlie Capps.

Former Edinburgh and Scotland 7s centre Nick McLellan completes the group heading to France in pursuit of a new challenge.

Bain said: “I’m really excited to get stuck in at Stade Nicois.

“I’ve played for Currie Chieftains for the past three years and I’m hoping to use that experience across there, while hopefully learning a lot of new things as well.

“I know that the forwards in France are really physical so hopefully training and playing against them will help to develop my game.

“I think it will be quite difficult learning the language and learning all the lineout calls in French but I’m looking forward to the challenge.”

Hutchison added: “I was very surprised to offered the opportunity to join Stade Nicois and I’m really excited to head out to France.

“I don’t think the news has sunk in yet but it’s a great opportunity and a good stepping stone to improving my game.

“There will be a greater sense of independence in France. You are away from the norm and exposed to a different culture and language. We will embrace everything while we’re out there.

“The style of rugby they play in France is different to here so hopefully in terms of technical ability there will be aspects that I can improve on.”

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/18/07/26/scottish-rugby-confirms-new-cohort-stade-nicois

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Post by George Carlin Fri 27 Jul - 9:09

RDW_Scotland wrote:Given the man-shaming Edinburgh's pack have dished out to Glasgow in recent years, if we're still the effeminate ones what does that say about Glasgow!
Nice try chief but reputations take longer than that to be displaced. 

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Post by George Carlin Fri 27 Jul - 9:14

Having taken a look, the new Edinburgh training and leisure clothes look much nicer than the weegie equivalent. Will get a couple of t shirts for the gym and a polo to mince around Dubai's golf clubs, as usual.
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Post by tigertattie Fri 27 Jul - 9:38

Any team that has Ali, the hair product king, Price in it really can't laugh at any other team for being a bit primped and preened.

Ali Price is the only reason the Tan Stand is still going after Mike Phillips left the UK
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Post by EWT Spoons Fri 27 Jul - 9:49

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Given the man-shaming Edinburgh's pack have dished out to Glasgow in recent years, if we're still the effeminate ones what does that say about Glasgow!
Nice try chief but reputations take longer than that to be displaced. 

For me, the stand should be:

The Larry Grayson Stand (you're welcome, posters over 40)
Julian Clary's End
The Liberace Dazzle
The Tampax Stand
The Queer Eye Erection

You're a complex man GC Smile

George Carlin wrote: Having taken a look, the new Edinburgh training and leisure clothes look much nicer than the weegie equivalent. Will get a couple of t shirts for the gym and a polo to mince around Dubai's golf clubs, as usual.

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Post by RDW Fri 27 Jul - 9:50

Glasgow's training kit is fairly uninspiring I'd agree.

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Post by jimbopip Fri 27 Jul - 10:30

The Late Tram Stand ...surely?


The Working Girls Stand? (That wasn't funny but Schiz will like it)

The Poor People Stand ? Just for Fes.

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Post by funnyExiledScot Fri 27 Jul - 20:17

jimbopip wrote:The Late Tram Stand ...surely?


The Working Girls Stand? (That wasn't funny but Schiz will like it)

The Poor People Stand ? Just for Fes.

It would be nice to keep them contained in one place, I agree. Plus we'll know where to put the away fans for Edinburgh's routine 1872 victory.

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