England's Indian Summer - T20s, ODIs & Tests

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T20s

A three match series between the 2nd (India) and 4th ranked teams in the world https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i

Fixtures

Tuesday 3rd July 2018 17:30
Emirates Old Trafford, Manchester

Friday 6th July 2018 17:30
Sophia Gardens Cardiff, Cardiff

Sunday 8th July 2018 14:00
The Brightside Ground, Bristol


Squads

England: Morgan, Ali, Bairstow, Ball, Buttler, Curran S, Curran T, Hales, Jordan, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Willey (Malan in as cover for 1st game, Stokes may join for 3rd)

India: Kohli, Chahal, Chahar, Dhawan, Dhoni, Karthik, Kaul, Kuldeep Yadav, Kumar, Pandey, HH Pandya, KH Pandya, Rahul, Raina, Sharma UT Yadav


Key Men

Jos Buttler - move up the order during IPL has given him much more time to have an impact. While only ranked 26 in ICC rankings, this will improve now he opens.
Alex Hales - Formerly top ranked batter in T20s, has dropped a bit (to 7) and finds his place in the England side under threat.
Rashid/Ali - Englands spinners have thrived in the one day format, but will find the Indian batting lineup a tough test.

Virat Kohli - probably the best batsmen in the world across all 3 forms of the game. Some injury issues recently.
Chahal/Kuldeep Yadav - India look like going with two wrist spinners. England often struggle to score quickly against good spin.



ODIs

Fixtures

Another 3 match series between the the top two ranked sides in the world.  Both teams will be wanting to lay down a marker before next year's world cup.


Thursday 12th July 2018 12:30
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Saturday 14th July 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Tuesday 17th July 2018 12:30
Emerald Headingley, Leeds


Squads

England - Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Mark Wood.



Test Series

A form of cricket in which the visitors have been much better than the hosts. The series goes deep into September as India seek to avenge the series defeat in 2014. In a manner we have become used to seeing from touring teams around the world, that series India capitulated in the final 3 tests  having won the second test to take a 1-0 lead. India however look strong enough this time out to put pressure on a faltering home test team.


Fixtures

Wednesday 1st August 2018 11:00
Edgbaston, Birmingham

Thursday 9th August 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Saturday 18th August 2018 11:00
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Thursday 30th August 2018 11:00
Ageas Bowl, Southampton

Friday 7th September 2018 11:00
Kia Oval, London

Duty281 wrote:Foolish review from England early on.

Just been catching up - yep, immediately looked to me as if it was going down.

Vijay very elegant Dhawan a bit more streaky.

Perfect conditions for India now - suns out, ball doing nothing, could be in for a long couple of days in the field here...

India also do have some lovely bats to watch as Nathaniel points out, Vijay is a lovely opener to watch.

compelling and rich wrote:as england first innings in first match of the series go, i thought that was pretty good

England should play every first test match of a home series at Lord's. Then they get the double whammy of being poor at the start of a series, and being poor at Lord's, out of the way in one test match.

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:

guildfordbat wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:That is Curran's highest knock in test cricket (21 not out) beating his only other knock of 20 V Pakistan earlier this summer.

It also exceeds his CC average this season which is a tad under 20. Not a great season with the bat for Sam.

The way he is defending the balls from Ashwin  or Pacers, he is batting better than the tail.

Hi again Subu - yes, but as so often for Surrey (his county team which I follow) Sam Curran didn't go on to make a score*. Surrey rate his batting and there were some expectations he could be a number 6 although that now seems less likely.

* PS It's fairer and more appropriate today to say that he got out quickly. With just Jimmy at the other end, it was unrealistic to expect a score from Sam this morning.

Been rather surprised by the pace difference between the Indian seam bowlers compared to ours. Shami got up to 90mph, Sharma and Yadav where pretty lively as well.

Broad has been around 85/86mph but Anderson and Curran low 80s. Hopefully Stokes can crank it up

Agree the early review was poor...always uc at best.

This looks much better...yes !

Sam breaks through...

Lovely start to this spell by Curran, and clearly out. Good start from the youngster...

Had been just about to post how well India had started...

When along came Sam C ...and now 2 in the over as he skittles Rahul

go on curran lad! much needed that

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Lovely start to this spell by Curran, and clearly out. Good start from the youngster...

Seems to have gained a bit of pace too , if the speed gun is to be trusted. That was a big over !

Penny for Pujara's thoughts...dreadful shot by the guy hyped up as the next Kohli

alfie wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Lovely start to this spell by Curran, and clearly out. Good start from the youngster...

Seems to have gained a bit of pace too , if the speed gun is to be trusted.  That was a big over !

That's why he's so highly rated, and has so much potential.

Anderson vs Kohli now - good cricket this

Excellent spell this by Sam Curran. Really great. He could be cementing his place in the side here as he has another wicket with Dhawan caught in the slips.

had him on toast. dhawan couldnt deal with currans movement

This is one of the great spells of test match bowling. England back in the game.

guildfordbat wrote:

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Yep India’s day, albeit they’ll be annoyed at that drop in the final over and not to be batting straight away tomorrow (I’m sure Guildford will point out the openers having a ten minute turnaround as opposed to a morning to prepare )

As has been said there is definitely something in the pitch for the bowlers, and the ball moved most of the day especially for Sharma. Whether that was just a slightly damp pitch or the pitch is offering something to the seamers we’ll see as the game progresses.

Hopefully Curran/Anderson can add an annoying 10/20 runs to the score tomorrow morning, and England can make inroads with the new ball. If Kohli is batting this time tomorrow however you’d fear for England badly...

Olly - you not only learn so well but save me work. 

If Sam gets it right with the ball tomorrow, I feel his low, whippy action could bring rewards. 

Until the morrow, folks. 

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What a spell - this young kid can bowl, especially when its swinging. Don't average 28 as a 20 year old at The Oval (flattest ground in the country) if you can't bowl a bit!

Three for Curran ! Terrific bowling and India in disarray.

Funny old game : ten minutes or so back Bumble was musing on the possibility of India batting once...

And Anderson so nearly has Kohli caught now !

Different game now - every ball a hand grenade...

Key partnership this. Kohli and Rahane. If England get another before lunch they're favourites.

Not a fan of Anderson bowling this long, I must say.

Well I did say at the close of last night's play that best to judge once both teams have batted once.

Duty281 wrote:Key partnership this. Kohli and Rahane. If England get another before lunch they're favourites.

Not a fan of Anderson bowling this long, I must say.

Maybe not normally ; but three quick wickets fallen and Kohli just in ? Good luck getting him off

Might be Broad next over ; but Jimmy was always bowling that one.

Buttler shells Kohli and might've broken a digit...not good

a 1/10 chance that for Buttler, just got his smallest fingertip on it - would have been an absolute worldie, and seems to have injured himself on the process

I reckon they’ve got someone who could step in

Having just seen a clip of the first wicket, got to say appalling decision by Aleem Dar.

Hopefully not too bad an injury for Jos...

Would have been a miracle catch. But it does show Kohli still vulnerable in that area.

Fascinating Test Cricket this morning. I did think last night we were probably in for a contest...a lot now depends on this partnership , India's two best batsmen together.

CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I did say at the close of last night's play that best to judge once both teams have batted once.

India still strong favourites.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:a 1/10 chance that for Buttler, just got his smallest fingertip on it - would have been an absolute worldie, and seems to have injured himself on the process

Unless he has Inspector Gadget arms 1/1000. Ball pretty much hits the ground and the tip of his middle finger at the same time.

Duty281 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I did say at the close of last night's play that best to judge once both teams have batted once.

India still strong favourites.

Disagree. Three down now ; lose a couple more and they'll be battling...they have to bat last. Match very open.

Duty281 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I did say at the close of last night's play that best to judge once both teams have batted once.

India still strong favourites.

That depends if they score more than England. If they do that, and I believe they should try to, they would then be in a stronger position than England in the match. This would be their tactic ahead of trying to win the game.

Utter waste of a final over, there. The Indian pair would be nervous, defensive, just hoping to see it off. Root should employ Broad or Stokes to send down a full-blooded over, instead he sends on Rashid just so he can settle with a tame six deliveries.

Not unhappy Rashid bowling the last over before lunch...was pretty rubbish , two full tosses , etc ; but it might have helped settle the nerves.
Think we will see all pace after the resumption though.

Duty281 wrote:

CaledonianCraig wrote:Well I did say at the close of last night's play that best to judge once both teams have batted once.

India still strong favourites.

Favourites - yes. Strong favourites - no.

England well on top. India only selected 5 batsmen plus a keeper then two all rounders. So Kohli and Rahane the last recognised batsmen

The ball swung pretty much all day for the Indian seamers yesterday, if England can replicate that they're right in this game. As Nathaniel points out, Karthik/Pandya is a wobbly 6/7 on paper, so if England can nip out one of these two sharpish after lunch things could get very interesting.

Some bad news however, Buttler is off to hospital for an x-ray on his left hand middle finger. Hopefully just precautionary...

Looking at the hawk eye maps Currans pitched much more in line with the stumps and put more uncertainty into the equation for the batsmen. Anderson in particular seems to have put too much too wide.
Use of Rashid ...this is a pretty standard pre break tactic isnt it. Get someone to chuck some pies and hope a batsmens mind is on the beef wellington for lunch. Its not really done any harm. But yes its hard to see Rashid being an effective first inning bowler on a pitch that isnt offering much, so the 4 seamers to rotate most of the afternoon.

In terms of position its pretty open. As mentioned India despite having two all rounders dont have an especially deep batting line up by modern standards, their keeper is at least a place to high if not two. If they continue to lose wickets at the same rate they only score in the mid 200's and England are well on top. Couple of big partnerships and suddenly they have a lead ...the pressures all on England.
This Kholi Rajhane partnership seems pretty vital to them.

A huge LBW shout for Stokes turned down. England didn't review. Would have been overturned. Perhaps they would have reviewed had they not already lost one?

Must say, in real time it looked like it was going down the leg-side.

Oh man - Rahane given not out on the field and England don't review, would have been out! Then Kohli edges one short of Bairstow off Anderson...key moments of the test?

Rahane pinned on the pads, umpire says no. Root doesn't review. Hawk eye shows it was crashing into leg stick.

Duty281 wrote:A huge LBW shout for Stokes turned down. England didn't review. Would have been overturned. Perhaps they would have reviewed had they not already lost one?

Must say, in real time it looked like it was going down the leg-side.

Agreed Duty - would've put good money on that going down leg myself...

have to say watching it live, i liked the look of that lbw. certainly much better shout than the first wasted review. if only we hadnt wasted that one we would have gone for that

How has Dar given that as 4 leg byes? He's not played a shot...not a good day for the umpire so far

The LBW missed doesn't count for an awful lot. An edge finally finds the cordon.

Gooseberry wrote:Looking at the hawk eye maps Currans pitched much more in line with the stumps and put more uncertainty into the equation for the batsmen. Anderson in particular seems to have put too much too wide.
Use of Rashid ...this is a pretty standard pre break tactic isnt it. Get someone to chuck some pies and hope a batsmens mind is on the beef wellington for lunch. Its not really done any harm. But yes its hard to see Rashid being an effective first inning bowler on a pitch that isnt offering much, so the 4 seamers to rotate most of the afternoon.

In terms of position its pretty open. As mentioned India despite having two all rounders dont have an especially deep batting line up by modern standards, their keeper is at least a place to high if not two. If they continue to lose wickets at the same rate they only score in the mid 200's and England are well on top. Couple of big partnerships and suddenly they have a lead ...the pressures all on England.
This Kholi Rajhane partnership seems pretty vital to them.

Hi Goose - I haven't seen the Hawkeye maps but what you say there doesn't surprise. Without any checking, I'm still fairly confident in saying that a lot of Curran't wickets for Surrey are lbws. Whipping it in line and keeping it low.

Putting aside my dislike of Rashid as an individual, your comments go some way to explaining why I don't like him as a red ball bowler. For him to be effective, the opposition need to be batting in their second dig and chasing 450. Nah, he's not for me - too much of a luxury and a risk to boot.

Meanwhile, Stokes' dismissal of Rahane puts England ahead in this topsy turvy match ....

Rahane guiding the ball to Jennings. What a bizarre shot to play

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:How has Dar given that as 4 leg byes? He's not played a shot...not a good day for the umpire so far

Agree...he basically let that hit him. Should have been dead ball.

England will be relieved their failure to review that lbw doesn't cost much as Jennings grabs Rahane off the dangerous Stokes...

England on top

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Some bad news however, Buttler is off to hospital for an x-ray on his left hand middle finger. Hopefully just precautionary...

Maybe Rashid can take over the captaincy if Root goes off.

Stokes has absolutely nailed Khartik with the inswinger. The Indian was absolutely nowhere with that shot.