England's Indian Summer - T20s, ODIs & Tests

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T20s

A three match series between the 2nd (India) and 4th ranked teams in the world https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i

Fixtures

Tuesday 3rd July 2018 17:30
Emirates Old Trafford, Manchester

Friday 6th July 2018 17:30
Sophia Gardens Cardiff, Cardiff

Sunday 8th July 2018 14:00
The Brightside Ground, Bristol


Squads

England: Morgan, Ali, Bairstow, Ball, Buttler, Curran S, Curran T, Hales, Jordan, Plunkett, Rashid, Root, Roy, Willey (Malan in as cover for 1st game, Stokes may join for 3rd)

India: Kohli, Chahal, Chahar, Dhawan, Dhoni, Karthik, Kaul, Kuldeep Yadav, Kumar, Pandey, HH Pandya, KH Pandya, Rahul, Raina, Sharma UT Yadav


Key Men

Jos Buttler - move up the order during IPL has given him much more time to have an impact. While only ranked 26 in ICC rankings, this will improve now he opens.
Alex Hales - Formerly top ranked batter in T20s, has dropped a bit (to 7) and finds his place in the England side under threat.
Rashid/Ali - Englands spinners have thrived in the one day format, but will find the Indian batting lineup a tough test.

Virat Kohli - probably the best batsmen in the world across all 3 forms of the game. Some injury issues recently.
Chahal/Kuldeep Yadav - India look like going with two wrist spinners. England often struggle to score quickly against good spin.



ODIs

Fixtures

Another 3 match series between the the top two ranked sides in the world.  Both teams will be wanting to lay down a marker before next year's world cup.


Thursday 12th July 2018 12:30
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Saturday 14th July 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Tuesday 17th July 2018 12:30
Emerald Headingley, Leeds


Squads

England - Eoin Morgan (capt), Moeen Ali, Jonny Bairstow, Jake Ball, Jos Buttler, Alex Hales, Liam Plunkett, Adil Rashid, Joe Root, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, David Willey, Mark Wood.



Test Series

A form of cricket in which the visitors have been much better than the hosts. The series goes deep into September as India seek to avenge the series defeat in 2014. In a manner we have become used to seeing from touring teams around the world, that series India capitulated in the final 3 tests  having won the second test to take a 1-0 lead. India however look strong enough this time out to put pressure on a faltering home test team.


Fixtures

Wednesday 1st August 2018 11:00
Edgbaston, Birmingham

Thursday 9th August 2018 11:00
Lord's, London

Saturday 18th August 2018 11:00
Trent Bridge, Nottingham

Thursday 30th August 2018 11:00
Ageas Bowl, Southampton

Friday 7th September 2018 11:00
Kia Oval, London

And he duly falls.

Ashwin has two left-handers, and England are in trouble.

Duty281 wrote:Jennings isn't planning on sticking around for too long.

Pre-meditated sweeps, hanging the bat way outside off. Deary me.

And he's gone to Ashwin - inevitable

LondonTiger wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Anyone forgiven Rashid for being selected yet?

Nothing to forgive, not his fault he was selected. The 4th innings will probably prove career defining for Dilly, perform well and he will be with England for the rest of the summer - perform poorly and he may be back with Yorkshire for a few games before he leaves us.

Mind you, with the way Ashwin is bowling to our left handers we may not have much of a target to defend.

Think the best form of defence against Ashwin might be attack for the left handers...

It says something about the difference between Ashwin and Englands spin resources when you see him come to England and take both openers with a new ball.

Gooseberry wrote:It says something about the difference between Ashwin and Englands spin resources when you see him come to England and take both openers with a new ball.

322 test wickets at an average of 25 indicates he deserves to be included among the best test spin bowlers. Perhaps his struggles in Aus and SA keeping him from being a great.

LondonTiger wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Anyone forgiven Rashid for being selected yet?

Nothing to forgive, not his fault he was selected. The 4th innings will probably prove career defining for Dilly, perform well and he will be with England for the rest of the summer - perform poorly and he may be back with Yorkshire for a few games before he leaves us.

Tiger - do you mean just in t20s? I'm not aware he's backtracked on not playing for you in CC matches.

Gooseberry wrote:It says something about the difference between Ashwin and Englands spin resources when you see him come to England and take both openers with a new ball.

Very much so, goose.

Ashwin takes important wickets at important times which can't really be claimed of a current or recent England spinner.

Root gone. Absolutely massive wicket.

That is an excellent catch

As I said yesterday, India just need Bairstow before lunch and they've won the game.

And he's nearly gone first ball!

Duty281 wrote:As I said yesterday, India just need Bairstow before lunch and they've won the game.

And he's nearly gone first ball!

That was a much easier chance than the one Rahul took to get Root!

Oh also, if we didn't know it already, England are going to get absolutely pumped in Sri Lanka later this year by Dananjaya, Herath and Perera

come on england just give the bowlers a chance. think id like to see us counterattack with whats left. well suited with the players left. if likes of bairstow, stokes and buttler can dash quick runs it may well be enough

come on england just give the bowlers a chance. think id like to see us counterattack with whats left. well suited with the players left. if likes of bairstow, stokes and buttler can dash quick runs it may well be enough

if we stick around defending, ashwin will get us sooner or later the way hes bowling 

I woke up to see Cook had got out and thought we’d lose. But bravely. Not sure it’ll be bravely now

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Oh also, if we didn't know it already, England are going to get absolutely pumped in Sri Lanka later this year by Dananjaya, Herath and Perera

Only a three test series! Thank heaven for small mercies.

But, yes, they destroyed South Africa recently by 278 and 199 runs in the two-test series. Could get ugly.

Malan....gone? He has looked all at sea for most of the innings.

I think that's out. Oh, ok, Malan gets a reprieve.

I think that's a catch too

Sangakkara doesn't half speak some sense - excellent addition to the comms team

guildfordbat wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:It says something about the difference between Ashwin and Englands spin resources when you see him come to England and take both openers with a new ball.

Very much so, goose.

Ashwin takes important wickets at important times which can't really be claimed of a current or recent England spinner.

That England are hopeless against quality spin (as per SA) is a factor too of course. Its another thing getting mullered by outright chuckers on worn track, but this is quality bowling on a fair surface.

Swann was the last England spinner you reguallry saw in the first 15 overs, but usuallly only if the seamers where struggling and rarely to open when there was some swing on offer. Whilst Shami has also consitently looked dangerous the other Indian seamers have ben pretty inocuous and certainly dont offer anything that will panic England. There is a case for India to fioeld two spinners on any wicket. England conversley ... theres a case not to bother at all on any wicket.

Opportunity for Malan to save his career here. He does seem to have gone from a positive confident looking start to getting trapped in his shell though. Does he have technique and mind to be able to tick the score over without undue risk? Occupying the crease is only half of what he needs to deliver.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Sangakkara doesn't half speak some sense - excellent addition to the comms team

Yes, a wonderfully clear speaker combining great knowledge and humility.

At the Surrey Awards night at the end of last season, he gave one of the best speeches I've ever heard and I'm not limiting that to cricket or even sport.

Btw, he spoke highly then about Sam Curran.

Malan goes after being squared up. Painful innings is at an end.

Lead at 83, only six wickets left.

Malan just wants to play away, his wife must be worried

Gooseberry wrote:

guildfordbat wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:It says something about the difference between Ashwin and Englands spin resources when you see him come to England and take both openers with a new ball.

Very much so, goose.

Ashwin takes important wickets at important times which can't really be claimed of a current or recent England spinner.

That England are hopeless against quality spin (as per SA) is a factor too of course. Its another thing getting mullered by outright chuckers on worn track, but this is quality bowling on a fair surface.

Swann was the last England spinner you reguallry saw in the first 15 overs, but usuallly only if the seamers where struggling and rarely to open when there was some swing on offer. Whilst Shami has also consitently looked dangerous the other Indian seamers have ben pretty inocuous and certainly dont offer anything that will panic England. There is a case for India to fioeld two spinners on any wicket. England conversley ... theres a case not to bother at all on any wicket.

Opportunity for Malan to save his career here. He does seem to have gone from a positive confident looking start to getting trapped in his shell though. Does he have technique and mind to be able to tick the score over without undue risk? Occupying the crease is only half of what he needs to deliver.  

And Malan ends up not doing enough of either.

Has to be a sizeable question mark over his place for the second Test.

#bringbackBelly

Another excellent catch after some fine seam bowling.

Bairstow gone, and that is goodnight England. Could finish today.

Yeah the fat lady is warming up...

Oh terrific from Sharma. Encapsulates a superb spell of bowling.

Stokes gone. Another fine catch.

England effectively 99/6 at lunch.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Yeah the fat lady is warming up...

Well and truly singing now

have a bash buttler, you wont stick around for long anyway

I went to the loo and England collapsed worse than, well, that’s a disgusting comparison but both were s***

compelling and rich wrote:have a bash buttler, you wont stick around for long anyway

Yep might as well have a go and try to get a lead of 150-170, at least something to bowl at. Can't see Curran or Rashid lasting long as things are going

Ah now...this is what England do when I'm not watching...

Just the session from hell they didn't need . Great bowling or bad batting ?

So basically 100 on with Buttler and the bowlers left : if there is any merit in this Jos at seven plan now is the time for it to deliver...which will need support from the tail. Need some decent wagging to post a defendable target and it doesn't look too likely , alas.

Malans palce wouldve been undeer threat anyway in any reshuffle to accomodate Stokes' absence but this makes it almost inevitable. Its easy to forget that he was arguably Englands top batsman in Australia and the only player other than Anderson to come out of it with reputation enhanced. But averaging under 30 agter 15 games and the wrong side of 30 ....its hard to see much of a future for him.

alfie wrote:Just the session from hell they didn't need . Great bowling or bad batting ?

Top bowling from Ashwin in the first hour and Sharma in the second, backed up by superb fielding. English technical flaws were well and truly exposed.

Its one thing getting tooled by Ashwin ...but Ishant? Really?

Poor from Englands middle order.

Gooseberry wrote:Malans palce wouldve been undeer threat anyway in any reshuffle to accomodate Stokes' absence but this makes it almost inevitable. Its easy to forget that he was arguably Englands top batsman in Australia and the only player other than Anderson to come out of it with reputation enhanced. But averaging under 30 agter 15 games and the wrong side of 30 ....its hard to see much of a future for him.

Average in England is a rather depressing 21 - and half of those games came against a rather awful West Indies side too. Outlook looks bleak for him - I would imagine one of Ollie Pope or Joe Clarke (more likely Clarke) will come in for him next game

Gooseberry wrote:Its one thing getting tooled by Ashwin ...but Ishant? Really?

Poor from Englands middle order.

Have always thought Ishant Sharma was underrated and a very good bowler in English conditions.
Had a good spell at Sussex in the last couple of months.

has to be the flakiest battling line up in my life time.

i wouldnt mind but these conditions are absolutely the best we could have hoped for to beat india. ball swinging should be something were used to. imagine how we'll get on on a turning track or a flat pitch

Absolute clownage getting pants downed by Ishant tbh. But it's not new thing, back in 2014 we lost at Lords when gifted Ishant a 7fer.

Very weak batting line up. Worst in the next match when Stokes is absent

Whatever happens from here there must be a hard look at the batting lineup. I am not too sure Smith has any ideas , judging by his actions so far , which have not really done anything to address the important missing pieces.
Not that solutions are easy.

Anyway that can wait until this is finished. Hoping a twist or two still to make in this game...

No counter-attack from Buttler. He nicks behind off the first ball he faces in the afternoon.

A dismal defeat.

Over by tea?

Buttler a 'specialist' batsman at 7 lasts 4 balls in the entire match.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Over by tea?

Drinks.

Only hope is to somehow get a lead of 130-150 and hope for a miracle Anderson/Broad spell - albeit based on the slip fielding in the 1st innings they'll need to take 16 wickets to actually get 10...

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:Only hope is to somehow get a lead of 130-150 and hope for a miracle Anderson/Broad spell - albeit based on the slip fielding in the 1st innings they'll need to take 16 wickets to actually get 10...

Or a Rashid fifty and a frisky thirty five for Broad ?

They really have made a mess of this , have they not ? I can't say I'm astonished - we have seen it before - but I really didn't think they'd subside this easily. Worst of this is it's a total waste of a generally excellent bowling performance and sentences the bowlers to having to bust a gut again in a probably vain attempt to salvage the match only hours after giving their team a slim lead...

I said the other day this match had similarities with Brisbane last year...more so now. Hope it isn't a portent for the rest of the series,

Hello mates,

India doing exactly the way Kohli wanted. I was very much impressed by Ashwin keeping one end tight with three brilliant wickets. Cook was like replay. Again the worst pacer too deserve some praise here, for after ages he got wickets with quality bowling. However he will lose his place once Bumrah and Kumar will come back.

Coming to England batting, I don't think they were batting badly but were defeated by some quality bowling. However Butler needs to work hard in the county before making into the XI next time. Sam Curran is the one impressed both by bowl and bat. He is really defending like a proper batsman. I think he deserves one step promotion.

Anything below 160 will be good. Above that India will struggle.