Glasgow Warriors tour to South Africa 15 and 22 September

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Two matches to play in South Africa

15 September

Toyota Cheetahs v Glasgow Warriors
Toyota Stadium
Bloemfontein
ko 19.30
22 September
Southern Kings v Glasgow Warriors
Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium
Port Elizabeth
ko 15.00

Unlike last year, this seems a pretty good time for Glasgow to head down south and they may benefit from having a whole two weeks away together to train and bound a bit more. They are in good form, having won their first two games against decent sides and from the pictured we have seen of the squad on social media, look like they have taken a near full strength squad down there. 29 players have gone and we should expect to see a bit of gentle rotation between the games to get a few more players up to match speed. Huw Jones was spotted in the pictures and as it is assumed that he has not been taken along to show the squad the best pubs in Cape Town, we will hopefully see him making his debut for the season. Glasgow have the potential to chalk up another two wins here and to continue their good start.

The two SA sides have not hit the ground running this year and neither have won a game yet. The Cheetahs in particular, having made the play offs last season and consequently had their roster raided by the wealthier sides, look to have slipped back. Having said that, both teams will be a different proposition at home and the Chetahs in particular at the Altitude of Bloemfontein, where their familiarity with the conditions is an undoubted advantage. Not many teams won their last year, but Glasgow were one of the, a little bit fortunately it has to be said.

I am still expecting two tough games but I am glad we are playing them at this stage of the season, as both SA sides are likely to improve and will cause problems to any weakened side going down there. These should be two decent games.

Decent Kings vs Glasgow preview

https://ontopofthemoon.com/2018/09/21/need-to-know-southern-kings-v-glasgow-warriors-pro14-match-preview-2018-19/

Good stuff. Interesting side, with all of the usual concerns about a lack of game time cohesion - then again, that's how everyone learns.

Am expecting Bryce, Nairn, Jackson and Saint Shug to step up - each of whom will be very keen to be noticed. Mini Horne (the Artist Known Last Season As Peter) will do a job and hope not to encounter a loose forward trio to throw him around. Micro Horne will be missed but does need to be rested.

DR talking a bit more in his match preview about the Big Brian situation. He says it is not unusual for players coming to the end of contracts to talk to other clubs. He also said that they have told him they won't be considering another contract for him unless he gets himself fit and on the field. No sentiment in Pro rugby unfortunately.

According to him, BB just checking his options, which you can't blame him for.

Interesting response Gee. My take on it was slightly different. I think DR may be using the situation to have a pop at the accountant types who think one year contracts are a good thing. DR points out that if a player is injured mid-year and is understandably anxious about the likelihood of his contract being renewed the only practical answer he will receive will be, "Get yourself fit and playing otherwise no." However, if a player has been told that there is no immediate contact offer available then he has the rught to talk to other prospective employers. I think DR is making the point that if the SRU don't want players leaving then they have to tie them into stronger contracts.

I think Naughty Boy has got a lot out of being a Warrior, perhaps more than the club have got out of him. If he leaves for France then I feel that there'll be a sense of unfinished business and what might have been.

Pete Horne having a mare. Coughed up poession twice already with one being a penalty

And which leads to a try by the kings

Jeez. Glasgow are absolutely awful just now

I'm sorry but I'm a kings fan today. Glasgow are absolutely rudderless. No conviction. No leadership.

I'm not sure if Glasgow can turn this around

Yup that's a card. Could be looking at red

Wow so this is what it’s like to be an Edinburgh fan.

Jokes aside Warriors getting outclassed at the moment. Expecting to turn up and score at every phase. Frisby, Wilson and Pete Horne need hooked as soon as with Price Hastings and Cully on with the express instructions of salvage something from this f*cking game.

Fair play to Kings, they’re taking full advantage of an awful Glasgow performance.

Eejit wrote:Wow so this is what it’s like to be an Edinburgh fan.

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Harsh ;-)

TJ wrote:

Eejit wrote:Wow so this is what it’s like to be an Edinburgh fan.

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Harsh ;-)

Humour is all I have with this scoreline otherwise it’s a stage dive off the Erskine Bridge.

Sounds like Horne's having a shocker - he's not been good this season. Thank God we've got Adam Hastings!

Errr 24-0??

Seriously? Can’t view match. Wish I could.

Quick question. When and where did Hogg get injured? Was it anything to do with the surface at Glasgow?

Maine man wrote:Quick question. When and where did Hogg get injured? Was it anything to do with the surface at Glasgow?

Glasgow’s last match.

31-0 ???
What were the odds on this.
Weegies sre all over the place.

TJ wrote:

Eejit wrote:Wow so this is what it’s like to be an Edinburgh fan.

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Harsh ;-)

Harsh? More like completely grasping at straws.

Edinburgh and Glasgow had the same number of wins in the league last year. Only difference was Edinburgh beat Glasgow again. So many times Glasgow fail against us

And at 31-0 this performance which was against 14 for ten mins, is just utterly embarrassing. Glasgow need to get a grip.

Well seems like Kings are better this year.

Glasgow not doing well but we will see if Kings hold out. We will see what the end score is but Dragon will be looking over their shoulders

Deon Davis seems to improve players the longer he has them. Second year in Super Rugby they improved aswell as He got use to the competition

The way this weekend is going, I’m expecting Edinburgh to waltz in to the dressing room at HT in the RDS with the bonus point in the bag and something to spare.

Cheetahs 39-39 Ulster
Cardiff 37-13 Munster
Kings 31-0 Glasgow

Brendan wrote:
Deon Davis seems to improve players the longer he has them. Second year in Super Rugby they improved aswell as He got use to the competition

Yeah, great coach, i believe last year they were looking at him for the springboks role.

This is a Kings team that is starting to look more like their 2017 super rugby team. Great for the competition.

Another YC for Kings. Grigg goes over. The fight back starts.

31-7

And now DTH over.

31-14.

VinceWLB wrote:

Brendan wrote:
Deon Davis seems to improve players the longer he has them. Second year in Super Rugby they improved aswell as He got use to the competition

Yeah, great coach, i believe last year they were looking at him for the springboks role.

This is a Kings team that is starting to look more like their 2017 super rugby team. Great for the competition.

No disrespect to kings but it's more Glasgow are losing this than kings winning it. Case in point, Hastings has come on for the rudderless speed bump that is Pete Horne and already halved the points deficit.

Can they do it? If they can then surely the SRU will finally come see that Horne isn't an international rugby player

tigertattie wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:

Brendan wrote:
Deon Davis seems to improve players the longer he has them. Second year in Super Rugby they improved aswell as He got use to the competition

Yeah, great coach, i believe last year they were looking at him for the springboks role.

This is a Kings team that is starting to look more like their 2017 super rugby team. Great for the competition.

No disrespect to kings but it's more Glasgow are losing this than kings winning it. Case in point, Hastings has come on for the rudderless speed bump that is Pete Horne and already halved the points deficit.

Can they do it? If they can then surely the SRU will finally come see that Horne isn't an international rugby player

Kings having a man in the bin hasn’t helped though.

And they get him back and score through du Toit.

38-14.

tigertattie wrote:

TJ wrote:

Eejit wrote:Wow so this is what it’s like to be an Edinburgh fan.

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Harsh ;-)

Harsh? More like completely grasping at straws.

Edinburgh and Glasgow had the same number of wins in the league last year. Only difference was Edinburgh beat Glasgow again. So many times Glasgow fail against us

And at 31-0 this performance which was against 14 for ten mins, is just utterly embarrassing. Glasgow need to get a grip.

Your reaction surprised me as it’s not one typical on this forum.

Edinburgh have been known to blow it against lesser opposition as Glasgow have here. Clearly my statement was reductive, in jest and firmly tongue in cheek.

It begs the question did you bother reading the rest of my post or did you read the joke at the top, decide to take it seriously and have a go at me about it?

I’ve been posting here long enough for you to realise that I’m not a wind up merchant so i suggest you calm yourself down and if you really have a problem with me or anything I’ve said send me a PM.

tigertattie wrote:

VinceWLB wrote:

Brendan wrote:
Deon Davis seems to improve players the longer he has them. Second year in Super Rugby they improved aswell as He got use to the competition

Yeah, great coach, i believe last year they were looking at him for the springboks role.

This is a Kings team that is starting to look more like their 2017 super rugby team. Great for the competition.

No disrespect to kings but it's more Glasgow are losing this than kings winning it. Case in point, Hastings has come on for the rudderless speed bump that is Pete Horne and already halved the points deficit.

Can they do it? If they can then surely the SRU will finally come see that Horne isn't an international rugby player

I am not talking about one game but all four games this season. They seem better as a team and able to hold their own. Last season they were competitive (wins, draws LBPs) in 4 out of 21 games finishing on 11 points. This season they are already on 7 and have been competitive in two. They just seem like Deon has them playing better

Well, I got back at the scrum before Grigg went over. As far as I saw, Glasgow won 28-7 and Southern Kings discipline was shocking. The ref seemed to not want to give turnovers at rucks though he still left them a mess often enough.

Hastings looked good and Jones seemed to come into the game quite well. DTH and Allan also did well. Price in particular seems to have recovered his form.

I will leave it to others to take apart the first half. Sounds like it went terribly. Peterson, Turner, Bhatti, Frisbee and P Horne appeared to not get much love on the commentary. May be the nail in the coffin for Peterson at the end of the season.

Eejit wrote:. Clearly my statement was reductive, in jest and firmly tongue in cheek.

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Which is exactly how this Edinburgh fan took it

Well, top marks to the Kings.

Glasgow

I think they underestimated and disrespected the Kings to start with and by the time they realised they were in a game they were into "hair on fire run around scream loudly" mode.

Fecc me that was grim.

The Good.

Alex Allan
Fraser Brown
Chris Fusaro
Alright Price
Notfinn Hastings
DTH

The Meh
Jackson, seems a yard slower than last season
Seymour
Griggs, poor defensively good offensively
Wilson
Ashe

The Bad
Frisbee and his70's porn star tache
Horne, from the missed kick to touch NOTHING went right for him
Jones
Jones in case you missed it
The game plan.

Glasgow salvage a BP to make the game not a complete disaster, but that was a proper shellaking (to use a Tom English phrase).

All the players were going on about the tour being a good bonding experience which, judging by social media, the players have certainly fully embraced. That's all fair and well if they still win rugby games but they totally took their eye off the ball with this one - IMO Rennie needs to carry the can with what happened.

This isn't the first time Glasgow players have been on social media having a great time between games - a group of players had a fancy golfing day and dinner a few days before they were pumped in Europe last season - and while it's important to have a life outside rugby, Glasgow under Rennie have struggled to get the balance right at times.

Agree with the posters above. Really not good enough. There’s a mental fragility around this Glasgow sometimes and the leadership group need to take the blame for that. If Cully played and Batman benched I don’t think we would have lost that.

On the plus side, Hastings looks the real deal!

Looking at the stats you'd think the scoreline was the other way round - Glasgow had twice the possession and made half the number of tackles!

jimbopip wrote:Well, top marks to the Kings.

Glasgow

I think they underestimated and disrespected the Kings to start with and by the time they realised they were in a game they were into "hair on fire run around scream loudly" mode.

Fecc me that was grim.

The Good.

Alex Allan
Fraser Brown
Chris Fusaro
Alright Price
Notfinn Hastings
DTH

The Meh
Jackson, seems a yard slower than last season
Seymour
Griggs, poor defensively good offensively
Wilson
Ashe

The Bad
Frisbee and his70's porn star tache
Horne, from the missed kick to touch NOTHING went right for him
Jones
Jones in case you missed it
The game plan.

It seems that Peterson was playing....I never noticed his contribution.

He was subbed off at 33 mins!

I'm very aware of that, RDW. Just that when reviewing the performances his was a blank.

Certainly not a great sign given how short Glasgow are at lock.

The biggest casualty from today may be DR's All Black ambitions: ensuring that teams are psychologically prepared to thrash "lesser" opposition is certainly in their coach's job description.

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If anyone can turn that link into an image it might be interesting.

RDW_Scotland wrote:Certainly not a great sign given how short Glasgow are at lock.

I'll have to see extended highlights if they're available, but it's not a great sign about a number of things.

Hopefully this will give them a kick up the arse because it sounds like some of the guys (like Grigg) had an absolute shocker.

You cannot discount a lack of familiarity of a scratch team. It's lethal.

Jimbo

Been out all day and just watched the match without knowing the score and what a shocker it was.

Talk about not turning up for a game.

Frisbee and Horne P were just awful, that would be putting it kindly and a whole lot of the others really were not a lot better.

Peterson and Turner getting subbed at 33 mind says what DR thought about their performances, that was Big Greg's chance to impress and he blew it big time. Turner I am sure walked for trying that stupid no look pass, just what we needed when 21 points down and trying to get back into the game.

I really don't know how we even got a point really, can't say we deserved it.

It is going to be a long long flight home and a very hard debrief on Monday!