Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
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Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
David Haye
Carl Froch
Amir Khan
Ricky Burns (Sorry)
Nathan Cleverley
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Carl Froch
Amir Khan
Ricky Burns (Sorry)
Nathan Cleverley
None
Seanusarrilius- Moderator
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Haye - Unlikely even if he beats Wlad, retirement is looming. Or is it?
Froch - Facing Ward next, would he then go after Bute and Steiglitz? He's said his future is at LH after the S6.
Khan - Should beat Judah, then just Bradley in his way. The most likely I would say.
Burns -
Clev - Hopkins, Cloud, er, no hope.
So Khan then.
Froch - Facing Ward next, would he then go after Bute and Steiglitz? He's said his future is at LH after the S6.
Khan - Should beat Judah, then just Bradley in his way. The most likely I would say.
Burns -
Clev - Hopkins, Cloud, er, no hope.
So Khan then.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Would probably go for Khan. Don't think he is the most talented of the guys by any stretch but think he perhaps has the easiest course. Do not see Haye beating Wlad so can't back him. Froch has only one belt and a tough fight with Ward to come, even if he comes through that tempting Bute into a ring anywhere other than in his back garden is not going to be easy.
As Khan already has a winnable unification fight lined up he has to start as favourite. Whilst I rate Bradley is simply the case I see this as more winnable than I see Haye with either of the brothers.
As Khan already has a winnable unification fight lined up he has to start as favourite. Whilst I rate Bradley is simply the case I see this as more winnable than I see Haye with either of the brothers.
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If you mean capture all 4 titles as opposed to establishing themselves as the man, then only Khan and Haye have a realistic shot. You could rule out the others straight away.
I would put Khan as the favourite as I think Judah and Bradley are easier prospects then Hayes task against the Klitschkos.
I would put Khan as the favourite as I think Judah and Bradley are easier prospects then Hayes task against the Klitschkos.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
I'd say Khan, also, but I wish it would be Froch.
I have nothing whatsoever against Khan, for whom I have had great respect since he severed ties with Warren, but I just love Froch's attitude. He seems to be a real throwback to the days when guys were happy to test their mettle against all comers.
As others have said, though, it's a rocky road ahead of him if he is to accomplish it.
I have nothing whatsoever against Khan, for whom I have had great respect since he severed ties with Warren, but I just love Froch's attitude. He seems to be a real throwback to the days when guys were happy to test their mettle against all comers.
As others have said, though, it's a rocky road ahead of him if he is to accomplish it.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Haha! Someone voted for Ricky! For shame!
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Has to be Khan for me - not a reflection that he is the best boxer on the list - just that he has the easiest path (on paper) to unifying belts at this time.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
As you haven't put any time limit on it I will say Cleverley. I think over the next couple of years he's going to develop into a very good boxer. He's got the natural attributes and with a bit more experience will do well.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
think khan froch and haye all have a chance, cleverly maybe in a few years, and burns, as much as i like him, i very much doubt warren would ever try and get burns to unify the entire division.
would back money on khan and froch doing it. haye already has the road to unifaction pathed out in front of him, just needs to beat wlad and vitali, dont think he beats the latter, however, not completely ruling it out- and depending how he copes with wlad could well change my mind.
would back money on khan and froch doing it. haye already has the road to unifaction pathed out in front of him, just needs to beat wlad and vitali, dont think he beats the latter, however, not completely ruling it out- and depending how he copes with wlad could well change my mind.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
I mean multiple belts guys to clarify doesnt have to be all four because that would be almost impossible, but ring and two belts. So Froch v ward in that sense would do it as would haye v klit. you get my drift. dont take it too literalyl but you know what im saying...i hope
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its not going to be hard for khan, he's fighting for the IBF title, has the WBA and is more than likely going to be fighting bradley after that to unify.
i think wlad already has the ring belt (maybe wrong), so haye only has to win his next fight to qualify.
again for froch, he will have unified if he beats ward.
i think wlad already has the ring belt (maybe wrong), so haye only has to win his next fight to qualify.
again for froch, he will have unified if he beats ward.
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The one with the easiest opportunity is khan - Judah has been past it for years, khan should beat him and own the WBA and IBF straps. But I've voted haye because his fight with wlad is sooner and I fancy him to get the stoppage and unify. Ward will outpoint froch IMO.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
None of them because boxing politics won't allow a unification...
sure Khan, Haye may pick up an extra slice but..unification....
can't see it.
sure Khan, Haye may pick up an extra slice but..unification....
can't see it.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
ok, unify in sense of more than one belt and ring belt. I apreciate a actual unification is diff for non boxing reasons
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Gone for David Haye. He is hugely talented fighter and I believe he beats Wlad and convincingly, the win will lead to a fight with Vitali. Haye will also beat Vitali.
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
Ricky Burns is in a weak division but Frank Warren seems happy lining up the easy defences. Unlikely to unify the 4 belts.
Nathan Clevely: Well, superb potential but with the joke WBO rankings and building the fanbase in Wales; warren will have him making defences for a few years.
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
Ricky Burns is in a weak division but Frank Warren seems happy lining up the easy defences. Unlikely to unify the 4 belts.
Nathan Clevely: Well, superb potential but with the joke WBO rankings and building the fanbase in Wales; warren will have him making defences for a few years.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
WelshDevilRob wrote:Gone for David Haye. He is hugely talented fighter and I believe he beats Wlad and convincingly, the win will lead to a fight with Vitali. Haye will also beat Vitali.
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
Ricky Burns is in a weak division but Frank Warren seems happy lining up the easy defences. Unlikely to unify the 4 belts.
Nathan Clevely: Well, superb potential but with the joke WBO rankings and building the fanbase in Wales; warren will have him making defences for a few years.
you dont think Froch could even beat one of the other top 3 fighters in the division?? I think he beat Kess on home turf, it think Ward is obviously his most difficult task and he would beat Bute down the stretch as long as it wasnt in Canada,
Cleverley is potential and nothing more at the mo, he hasnt developed his boxing brain, gets hit far too easily and has almost no legit power at higherst level, he gets beaten by Dawson, Pascal, skooled by Bhop and maybe beats cloud at home. In a few years he might be better but lucky to be in a weak and Warren owned body like the WBO
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Seanusarrilius wrote:WelshDevilRob wrote:Gone for David Haye. He is hugely talented fighter and I believe he beats Wlad and convincingly, the win will lead to a fight with Vitali. Haye will also beat Vitali.
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
Ricky Burns is in a weak division but Frank Warren seems happy lining up the easy defences. Unlikely to unify the 4 belts.
Nathan Clevely: Well, superb potential but with the joke WBO rankings and building the fanbase in Wales; warren will have him making defences for a few years.
you dont think Froch could even beat one of the other top 3 fighters in the division?? I think he beat Kess on home turf, it think Ward is obviously his most difficult task and he would beat Bute down the stretch as long as it wasnt in Canada,
Cleverley is potential and nothing more at the mo, he hasnt developed his boxing brain, gets hit far too easily and has almost no legit power at higherst level, he gets beaten by Dawson, Pascal, skooled by Bhop and maybe beats cloud at home. In a few years he might be better but lucky to be in a weak and Warren owned body like the WBO
Yep, I said Cleverly was Potential. Agree far too early to talk ablout Nathan interms of unifying. Ability there but he needs more experience.
On Froch. Having seen plenty of the other 3 fighters then No, Carl won't beat them. Kessler already won fairly, while Bute and Wards skills are higher than Carls.
Carl is good but lets not overrate the guy. His defense is shocking and he isn't as quick or skilful as he thinks he is.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
i think your underselling him. He isnt as slow as people seem to think and he always makes a fight of it against anyone he faces. Kess fight he lost, i wont argue that, but i also think he would beat him in a rematch. Bute is completley untested against any decent foe in SM and Froch has fought 6 on the bounce. And Ward, well we will find out.
Re Clev, i think he quite a way off the top of his division. he shuldnt have a world title as he has fought no one of any worth but as is the way of boxing he is just another unworthy champ. Hoepfuly he can show he has what it takes, like to see him fight some better opposition over next year and then take on some of the yanks. But he couldnt beat any of them at the mo, except maybe Cloud at home
Re Clev, i think he quite a way off the top of his division. he shuldnt have a world title as he has fought no one of any worth but as is the way of boxing he is just another unworthy champ. Hoepfuly he can show he has what it takes, like to see him fight some better opposition over next year and then take on some of the yanks. But he couldnt beat any of them at the mo, except maybe Cloud at home
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Seanusarrilius wrote:i think your underselling him. He isnt as slow as people seem to think and he always makes a fight of it against anyone he faces. Kess fight he lost, i wont argue that, but i also think he would beat him in a rematch. Bute is completley untested against any decent foe in SM and Froch has fought 6 on the bounce. And Ward, well we will find out.
Re Clev, i think he quite a way off the top of his division. he shuldnt have a world title as he has fought no one of any worth but as is the way of boxing he is just another unworthy champ. Hoepfuly he can show he has what it takes, like to see him fight some better opposition over next year and then take on some of the yanks. But he couldnt beat any of them at the mo, except maybe Cloud at home
The way Kessler looked recently - he looks better than ever.
Bute is having a very easy run and something I've often criticised.
But, I understand that Brits want to overrate Brits but Froch isn't the one. He's simply not good enough. The inexperienced Dirrell highlighted the problems. Those problems haven't been addressed.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
i think froch is proven to be talented, he has one of the best cv's out there, and i think he won against kessler personally, he has improved fastly since then and has shown the potential to be one of the best champions of our time.
haye again has the talent but seems to lack the desire to push for the vitali fight and i think he wont fight him before he retires.
the next year will be massive for khan. he already has had some great fights and shown massive skill, but also shown some worrying faults. his next few fights will be tough, but if he gets through them and if he can improve on the way, i think khan will catapulte himself to to the elite level.
haye again has the talent but seems to lack the desire to push for the vitali fight and i think he wont fight him before he retires.
the next year will be massive for khan. he already has had some great fights and shown massive skill, but also shown some worrying faults. his next few fights will be tough, but if he gets through them and if he can improve on the way, i think khan will catapulte himself to to the elite level.
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Froch's CV stands up against anyone in the sport over the past couple of years.
To say Bute, Ward and Kessler beat him easily at this stage is pretty wide of the mark if you ask me.
I make him 50-50 with Ward, a very strong favourite over Bute; who I think is one of the most over-rated fighters in the sport and 60-40 to defeat Kessler in any rematch; because I believe he has improved and learned since that defeat.
To say Bute, Ward and Kessler beat him easily at this stage is pretty wide of the mark if you ask me.
I make him 50-50 with Ward, a very strong favourite over Bute; who I think is one of the most over-rated fighters in the sport and 60-40 to defeat Kessler in any rematch; because I believe he has improved and learned since that defeat.
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i'm baffled by the Burns (sorry) thing to be honest, i mean the guy schooled a good champion, and hurt him many times in the fight, i'd give him a decent chance of unifying the SFW's
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Re: Which Brit most likely to unify their division?
Gone for David Haye. He is hugely talented fighter and I believe he beats Wlad and convincingly, the win will lead to a fight with Vitali. Haye will also beat Vitali.
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
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Froch would destroy Bute, who's that guy fought to be rated so well? he's a phoney, Froch would pick him off, he was tagged often by Brian Magee!, i'd favour Froch against Kessler in a rematch on british soil, and he has every chance against Ward, can't help but feel you have a bit against Froch with such baffling statements imo. Khan Judah isn't 50/50, it's an easy fight for Khan at this stage, Judah is shot to bits, Khan in 8-10 wouldn't be surprised if it was earlier, he was never that good anyway
Amir Khan is an accident waiting to happen and I view his fight with Zab Judah as a 50/50.
I can't see Carl Froch beating Andre Ward, Lucian Bute and probably Mikklel Kessler (fighting for WBO) to unify. Infact he doesn't beat any of that 3, he's simply not good enough.
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Froch would destroy Bute, who's that guy fought to be rated so well? he's a phoney, Froch would pick him off, he was tagged often by Brian Magee!, i'd favour Froch against Kessler in a rematch on british soil, and he has every chance against Ward, can't help but feel you have a bit against Froch with such baffling statements imo. Khan Judah isn't 50/50, it's an easy fight for Khan at this stage, Judah is shot to bits, Khan in 8-10 wouldn't be surprised if it was earlier, he was never that good anyway
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