World Player of the Year 2018 - UPDATED

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Nominees Announced:

Beauden Barrett
Jonathan Sexton
Malcolm Marx
Faf de Klerk
Reiko Ioane

https://www.balls.ie/rugby/johnny-sexton-award-400031

Surprised to see Barrett make the list but all others not really unexpected. Sexton's to lose?

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Young Player of the Year Nominees:

https://www.world.rugby/news/374327
Jordan Larmour (Ireland)
APHIWE DYANTYI (SOUTH AFRICA)
KARL TU’INUKUAFE (NEW ZEALAND)

ebop wrote:No. James Lowe is flakey and is why he never made the ABs. He is a good player and that’s about it. The fact he’s celebrated in Europe is pretty funny though.

Celebrated? I’d never heard of him til last week.

Thats not surprising because it took a while to bring him up to speed.

If you look at Lowe's performance against Wasps, you aren't talking about a guy that is making northern hemisphere defenses look silly, that Wasps backline defense included Lima Sopoaga and Willie le Roux. The guy is a class act and in my personal opinion, one that NZ let away.

I would on form, take him ahead of any wing in Europe, even Stockdale.

Artful_Dodger wrote:If you look at Lowe's performance against Wasps, you aren't talking about a guy that is making northern hemisphere defenses look silly, that Wasps backline defense included Lima Sopoaga and Willie le Roux.  The guy is a class act and in my personal opinion, one that NZ let away.

I would on form, take him ahead of any wing in Europe, even Stockdale.  

Cool, we wouldnt though. Dont hear Hansen lamenting his departure.

Lima and Willy are not known for their defence.

Yeah, Willie le Roux on defence make most attacking ball carriers look good.

Well I think we can all agree he has become a much better player at Leinster.

What makes you think we all agree with that? He was a good player for the Chiefs but tended to go missing in games. It’s probably a case of your Euro competitions being of inferior quality than what he’s used to and he stands out more. Players like James Lowe are dime a dozen in NZ.

because its kind of obvious. Anyway Leinster is a step up from the Chiefs. Lowe has hinted at this himself.

The only thing that is obvious, is that NZ rejects move to Ireland and become stand out players or even make the national team because the standard is lower in Ireland.

Stick Lowe in the Gwent Dragons team and he’ll look rubbish. The team he’s in has a lot to do with it. That Leinster are head and shoulders the top team at the moment up here in the NH makes it easier to shine, probably.

ebop wrote:The only thing that is obvious, is that NZ rejects move to Ireland and become stand out players or even make the national team because the standard is lower in Ireland.

Interesting that there is a Leinster reject in the Canterbury Crusaiders squad. Oliver Jaeger wasnt offered a contract for the Leinster academy even though he was an Ireland schoolboy however he is now a member of the Crusaiders super rugby squad.

NH rugby is full of SH journeyman that are established pros but not all of them do well Sopoaga for example looks weak enough. What you dont realise Ebop is that Leinster players have access to some of the best facilities, coaching, spirts science and staff in world rugby which can make a big difference.

Also the only reason Beauden Barrett is any good is because he lived in Ireland for a few years as a kid. That was the missing piece for him too. A year or so more and he would have been able to kick too.

Collapse2005 wrote:Also the only reason Beauden Barrett is any good is because he lived in Ireland for a few years as a kid. That was the missing piece for him too. A year or so more and he would have been able to kick too.

Exact same for George Ford. No coincidence we gets picked ahead of Owen Farrell. Ireland.

James Lowe might be eligible for England if they’re interested.

Collapse2005 wrote:What you dont realise Ebop is that Leinster players have access to some of the best facilities, coaching, spirts science and staff in world rugby which can make a big difference.

What makes you think I don’t know that Leinster are a serious provincial NH club team? There has been a number of foreign coaches that have lead Leinster to success. Until Ireland and their provincial teams can stand on their own two feet they’ll just be playing catch up. Waiting and praying for the next Chieka or Schmidt. That’s a fragile succession plan. Can Ireland produce a homegrown Irish coach to lead the way. Who? And when?

Can new zealand? It appears it's up to wales and Ireland to teach them.

Lol, Eddie Jones and John Mitchell propping up your lot. It’s an arms race with you guys up north. Buy buy buy to fill the significant gaps. Just grow a pair and see where the chups lie.

Oh sorry thought you were trying to make a point about development.

Our players and coaches go north to make money. And because they’re fawned over. It’s pretty obvious. Looking forward to the day when all of your 6N teams are lead by coaches from said countries. Until then, it’s a bit of a pisstake and IP theft

As good a point as you ever make.

ebop wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:What you dont realise Ebop is that Leinster players have access to some of the best facilities, coaching, spirts science and staff in world rugby which can make a big difference.

What makes you think I don’t know that Leinster are a serious provincial NH club team? There has been a number of foreign coaches that have lead Leinster to success. Until Ireland and their provincial teams can stand on their own two feet they’ll just be playing catch up. Waiting and praying for the next Chieka or Schmidt. That’s a fragile succession plan. Can Ireland produce a homegrown Irish coach to lead the way. Who? And when?

Leinsters head coach is Irish who is a former Leinster player and captain, three times champions cup winner and Leinster schools cup winner. You cant be any more homegrown and grass roots than the current coach.

Schmidt is also every bit as much a product of the Irish system as NZs systems. Cheika himself was not an established coach himself before he came to Leinster. He was coaching Randwick in Sydney. Thats a far cry from coaching Australia. Leinster took a punt on him because is very strong business background was what the province needed at the time.

Also the two Ireland coaches prior to Schmidt were Irish in 09 Declan Kideny was world coach of the year having lead Ireland to an unbeaten year.

7.5, I know it hurts that your team is now coached by a couple of 2003 RWC losers from Australia and NZ. Maybe they’ll get their revenge by leading England down the garden path?

This Thread would make a great Christmas Panto! The rehearsals sound wonderful.

"Oh yes he is!" "Oh no he's not!" "He's behind you!" "Oh no he's not!"

I don't care ebop. I'd prefer the exact same rule for kit men players coaches myself but play to the rules.

7.5, have you seen the footage of Hughes sat in the stand in the Wasps v Bath game? He’s txting away on his phone, and when he realises he’s on the big screen he hams it up. The camera cuts to Eddie Jones in the stands and he’s not happy because he’s seen Hughes acting like a pork chop on the big screen. It’s great camera work.

Jones wasnt happy because the crowd were booing him and cheering Hughes

Although I think he saw the funny side too

He did smirk a little. And would have thought that c0ck is throwing me under the bus.

Can't claim to have noticed ebop. Again not bothered.

Oh, you haven’t seen it? It’s funny. Eddie getting booed like that is a bit odd given what he’s achieved in dragging England from 8th or whatever it was up to 4th. Can’t imagine Eddie was too happy with Hughes getting the cheers and him the boos.

I doubt he cares

https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

as young/breakthrough player....

Is the main list out of actual World Player nominees?

Id say it will be out around mid November. I expect Murray and Sexton to make the list.

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Yes of course you do albeit you also haven't a clue who Jordan Larmour is do you?

That said although Diyantyi is already 24 he has had a good year this year in particular against the ABs which is probably the only reason you know who he is.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Yes of course you do albeit you also haven't a clue who Jordan Larmour is do you?

That said although Diyantyi is already 24 he has had a good year this year in particular against the ABs which is probably the only reason you know who he is.

I suspect the reason Tman knows who Diyanti is, is due to the fact that he plays rugby in Super Rugby and RC.

I also have no idea who Jordan Lamour is as I don't watch enough European rugby to know their players

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Yes of course you do albeit you also haven't a clue who Jordan Larmour is do you?

That said although Diyantyi is already 24 he has had a good year this year in particular against the ABs which is probably the only reason you know who he is.

I suspect the reason Tman knows who Diyanti is, is due to the fact that he plays rugby in Super Rugby and RC.

I also have no idea who Jordan Lamour is as I don't watch enough European rugby to know their players

So you aren't in a position to judge if Larmour has had a better year than Diyantyi either?

Personally I think Larmour is a better player but Diyantyi has had a better year at international level. Larmour is four years younger though.

Collapse2005 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Yes of course you do albeit you also haven't a clue who Jordan Larmour is do you?

That said although Diyantyi is already 24 he has had a good year this year in particular against the ABs which is probably the only reason you know who he is.

I suspect the reason Tman knows who Diyanti is, is due to the fact that he plays rugby in Super Rugby and RC.

I also have no idea who Jordan Lamour is as I don't watch enough European rugby to know their players

So you aren't in a position to judge if Larmour has had a better year than Diyantyi either?

Personally I think Larmour is a better player but Diyantyi has had a better year at international level. Larmour is four years younger though.

Where was I judging anyone?

Collapse2005 wrote:

Biltong wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:https://www.world.rugby/news/37432

Jordan Larmour nominated.

Yes and I expect Diyantyi and if not, Karl T, who has an amazing rags to riches in one year story to win that.

Yes of course you do albeit you also haven't a clue who Jordan Larmour is do you?

That said although Diyantyi is already 24 he has had a good year this year in particular against the ABs which is probably the only reason you know who he is.

I suspect the reason Tman knows who Diyanti is, is due to the fact that he plays rugby in Super Rugby and RC.

I also have no idea who Jordan Lamour is as I don't watch enough European rugby to know their players

So you aren't in a position to judge if Larmour has had a better year than Diyantyi either?

Personally I think Larmour is a better player but Diyantyi has had a better year at international level. Larmour is four years younger though.

I dont know Larmour is either. Youd think he would have stood out on the Irish tour of oz at least. Im not in a position to judge either but its a bit poor the only nominee from the north is a winger who has a great strike rate of zero in six tests.

Diyantyi has six in 9 tests and got at least one against every opponent he played this year, yet played for a far lower ranked side than Lamour does. I mean how is this possible?

No surprise there. Like I said Diyantyi has had a better year but you are a total clown to state who is the better player and then admit you don't have a clue who the other one is.

Collapse2005 wrote:No surprise there. Like I said Diyantyi has had a better year but you are a total clown to state who is the better player and then admit you don't have a clue who the other one is.

Scrambling again, tredding water again I see. I didnt say who the better player is, I said who I thought would win it. Ive seen these awards for years and wingers with no tries kinda dont tend to win these things. Capiche? Or too complex for you?

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:No surprise there. Like I said Diyantyi has had a better year but you are a total clown to state who is the better player and then admit you don't have a clue who the other one is.

Scrambling again, tredding water again I see. I didnt say who the better player is, I said who I thought would win it. Ive seen these awards for years and wingers with no tries kinda dont tend to win these things. Capiche? Or too complex for you?

You hadn't a clue about Larmour when you said that though did you?

Its a common theme with you, you generally get shown up for your ignorance quite regularly.

Collapse please keep i clean

Ooooh. Missed the removed post

Collapse2005 wrote:

Taylorman wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:No surprise there. Like I said Diyantyi has had a better year but you are a total clown to state who is the better player and then admit you don't have a clue who the other one is.

Scrambling again, tredding water again I see. I didnt say who the better player is, I said who I thought would win it. Ive seen these awards for years and wingers with no tries kinda dont tend to win these things. Capiche? Or too complex for you?

You hadn't a clue about Larmour when you said that though did you?

Its a common theme with you, you generally get shown up for your ignorance quite regularly.

Shown up how? Who cares who he is? Ive no idea about the finer points of propping either so I dont know why Karl T is nominated ahead of others. But instinct, and not a lot needed tells me they wont pick a winger with no tries. How is that possibly hard for you to understand. No wonder you keep needing our help. You fail to grasp simple concepts.

You're admitting you can't judge this. That's fine.

No 7&1/2 wrote:You're admitting you can't judge this. That's fine.

Whateva tickles for ya

Sorry I don't understand your point Taylor.