Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

On another note I’ve been teaching Spanish as part of my job this year, tricky when I don’t speak a word...or didn’t. Been using Duolingo for 3 weeks, still very early but amazing how quickly it helps you pick things up. Also asked the wife for some CD’s for Xmas to listen to on my commute. There is a Spanish guy who works for the premises team so when I feel a bit more confident Ill try some conversational Spanish with him.
Anyway, early but that’s my new year resolution, to follow it through and at least be competent, partly to help with my job and partly because Uve always wanted to learn a language, partly because I really think learning new stuff keeps your brain fresher.
Anyone else have something they really want to learn to do?

I'm not trying to be confrontational here Diggers, but how on earth can a school let someone without the skills in a subject to teach it? I can see how someone could blag teaching something like art, PE, English etc, but not a language. I suppose if it's at Primary Level you could teach counting to ten, asking where the railway station is etc.
I presume it's not secondary school?

[Diggers]

Seemed to be is exactly right. They don’t appear to have a clue. Took a guy in for questioning before simply verifying with his boss that he’d been working all day. The fact we can see the flaws in America, yet seem to want to mirror them, whilst knowing we aren’t close to having the same amount of influence, makes me feel that we are the thicker nation.

[kwinigolfer]

Whatever the merits or otherwise of the Gatwick incident, hopefully it's a wake-up call to every single airport around the world, put in place some sensible regulation regarding flying drones close to runways and figure out an enforceable way to make sure they do.
Only last week a Mexican airliner was hit and damaged, only a matter of time before one is brought down. By an amateur or a terrorist. We've all been sleeping way too long.

[super_realist]

I'm not sure a plane will ever be brought down by a drone, at least not a passenger jet. The degree to which engines are tested, i.e. like firing frozen chickens into the engines. I don't think hitting a drone would be as damaging as that. Drones are pretty flimsy apart from the battery.

[Diggers]

They have recreated a drone hitting the wing of a passenger plane, was pretty dramatic. I get they can’t take any chances. One of those hobbies that looks fun for 10 minutes, can’t really see the attraction for flying the things for hours on end.

[super_realist]

Of course they can't take chances, I'm just not convinced it would ever bring a plane down given the testing a plane goes through.

If a frozen chicken can be fired through an engine without damage to the engine, I'm not convinced a drone, even an industrial one would cause enough damage to crash a plane, force it to land yes, but not crash it.

First things first though, we ought to live in a society where technology exists to bring a drone down without incident and without causing undue delay.

I can see the appeal of a drone for taking footage from an aerial perspective, but yes, not for hours on end. It would be good for example to fly it above the green on a par three or above and behind you for hitting the driver for some interesting footage, but the entire 18 holes would be very tiresome, not to mention you'd need a Sherpa to carry the batteries.

[Diggers]

Be more useful for me to take footage of what’s 30 yards right of the green.

[beninho]

Hope the people questioned get a nice pay off from the papers, especially the Mail. Sticking them on thr front page and calling them morons is pretty irresponsible.

[beninho]

Anyway, Merry Christmas to everyone, and Happy Winter festival to realist. Hope everyone enjoys themselves.

[kwinigolfer]

A bird strike brought down an Airbus so difficult to believe a decent-sized drone could bring down a plane.

Anyway, Merry Christmas to all.

[Davie]

Experts tell us a drone strike could bring down a plane. Super tells us it's unlikely. I know who I'd prefer to believe

[super_realist]

I'm not saying it couldn't, I've simply never heard anyone say that it could and as it has never happened. How would we know?

[kwinigolfer]

I'm not saying it couldn't, I've simply never heard anyone say that it could and as it has never happened. How would we know?

What's your plan supes?
Send Steven Gerrard, McLaren and Tom Doak up in a commuter jet and aim a drone at an engine, or windscreen and see what happens?

[McLaren]

Super

Several aviation agencies have tested for drone strikes and the results showed varying damage to the wings and the ability to disfigure fan blades, which in a worst case scenario could end up going back through the engine or ripping apart the casing.

To bring the plane down you would obviously need at last two drones to strike each engine which is unlikely by why take the risk.  As kwini pointed out the double bird strike has happened. 

And this is not to mention damage to the pilots wind shield, control surfaces or pilot error while dealing with whatever damage was caused.

[super_realist]

Mac, I've never said that you should take the risk, or that you shouldn't cancel flights in such a situation, simply that no plane has ever been knocked out of the sky with a drone and that planes undergo stringent tests to determine what damage is done by foreign objects.

[Diggers]

Stop droning on.!!
Happy Xmas dudes

[McLaren]

Super

And the test where a frozen bird or other object is fired into the engine is to test if the engine casing contains the damaged and dislodged segments of fanblade. It is a given that the engine is inoperable at that point but you don't want shrapnel piercing the fuselage. A drone would likely take out an engine.

[super_realist]

Super

And the test where a frozen bird or other object is fired into the engine is to test if the engine casing contains the damaged and dislodged segments of fanblade. It is a given that the engine is inoperable at that point but you don't want shrapnel piercing the fuselage. A drone would likely take out an engine.

Mac, have you not seen the engineering programmes? Damage to an engine from a bird being fired into the engine is absolutely minimal. It's not a given it's inoperable at all. You don't know if a drone would take an engine out at all, and nor does anyone else.

Of course it's not worth the risk to find out in a domestic setting. Not sure why you're worried anyway, a bird hitting the number 22 to Marchmont isn't really going to trouble you anyway.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil0uLqvr3fAhUOnRoKHVYQBpUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencealert.com%2Fthis-is-what-it-looks-like-drone-smashes-into-plane-s-wing-238-mph-mid-air-collision-aircraft-impact&psig=AOvVaw3YX8EUnvHHA-2-qXo9Omns&ust=1545913536361712

[kwinigolfer]

Cometh the hour, cometh the sending off/penalty Digs, and from one of your most experienced players; three good points for us though, but now we've got to kick on.
You win on Boxing Day and we trip up at Gillingham and it's all square. You never know! Good luck.

We've done our bit Diggers, Now you thrash Bradford (50,000 on hand?) and it'll be like last Saturday never happened.

[Diggers]

Cometh the hour, cometh the sending off/penalty Digs, and from one of your most experienced players; three good points for us though, but now we've got to kick on.
You win on Boxing Day and we trip up at Gillingham and it's all square. You never know! Good luck.

We've done our bit Diggers, Now you thrash Bradford (50,000 on hand?) and it'll be like last Saturday never happened.

Only 46000 (a league one record by 7000) and hardly a thrashing...but I’ll take it!!

[dynamark]

No point wasting a frozen bird chicken or turkey on testing a plane .That bird could be Xmas lunch for some poor folk if we could provide some potatoes and brussels.
Any golf related presents folks my daughter did well dozen srixon but I had to point out that sadly they will all get lost at some time in the future.
Was at Leicester today Man City looking a bit fragile lots of fouling and not so much good football.Looks like Liverpool get it as Spurs will no doubt run out of steam as usual.

[Diggers]

I actually fancy this Spurs side to keep going, they were playing rubbish at the start of the season, champagne football now. Son is a massive miss for them for a month, form player in the league at the minute. City had to have a blip after a year and a half, looks worse than it is because Liverpool are unbeaten.
Just hope it al stays interesting.

[kwinigolfer]

Cometh the hour, cometh the sending off/penalty Digs, and from one of your most experienced players; three good points for us though, but now we've got to kick on.
You win on Boxing Day and we trip up at Gillingham and it's all square. You never know! Good luck.

We've done our bit Diggers, Now you thrash Bradford (50,000 on hand?) and it'll be like last Saturday never happened.

Only 46000 (a league one record by 7000) and hardly a thrashing...but I’ll take it!!

Did they say who had the 39K?
Sheffield Derby at Hillsborough??

[super_realist]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil0uLqvr3fAhUOnRoKHVYQBpUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencealert.com%2Fthis-is-what-it-looks-like-drone-smashes-into-plane-s-wing-238-mph-mid-air-collision-aircraft-impact&psig=AOvVaw3YX8EUnvHHA-2-qXo9Omns&ust=1545913536361712

No one is saying that damage wouldn't occur.

[Diggers]

Cometh the hour, cometh the sending off/penalty Digs, and from one of your most experienced players; three good points for us though, but now we've got to kick on.
You win on Boxing Day and we trip up at Gillingham and it's all square. You never know! Good luck.

We've done our bit Diggers, Now you thrash Bradford (50,000 on hand?) and it'll be like last Saturday never happened.

Only 46000 (a league one record by 7000) and hardly a thrashing...but I’ll take it!!

Did they say who had the 39K?
Sheffield Derby at Hillsborough??

I think it was Leeds, Kwini.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil0uLqvr3fAhUOnRoKHVYQBpUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencealert.com%2Fthis-is-what-it-looks-like-drone-smashes-into-plane-s-wing-238-mph-mid-air-collision-aircraft-impact&psig=AOvVaw3YX8EUnvHHA-2-qXo9Omns&ust=1545913536361712

No one is saying that damage wouldn't occur.

Then why have you been dragging out the argument. You even said no one knows if a drone would bring down a plane or words to that effect, its pretty clear it probably would, and has done with a helicopter recently.

So the consensus is that a drone hitting a plane would likely cause enough damage to the plane to be a risk to the passengers and staff. So therefore gatwick did the right thing.

[dynamark]

That it I'm never flying again. Mr Mannering
I suppose in theory at a certain height there could be slightly frozen birds .
The plane that dropped onto the Hudson river was supposed to be hit by several geese? But the chances of a basic plastic drone having a direct hit into an engine and causing a problem must be around the same as me winning the lottery and I haven't bought a ticket so I'm going for no chance.

[super_realist]

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwil0uLqvr3fAhUOnRoKHVYQBpUQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sciencealert.com%2Fthis-is-what-it-looks-like-drone-smashes-into-plane-s-wing-238-mph-mid-air-collision-aircraft-impact&psig=AOvVaw3YX8EUnvHHA-2-qXo9Omns&ust=1545913536361712

No one is saying that damage wouldn't occur.

Then why have you been dragging out the argument. You even said no one knows if a drone would bring down a plane or words to that effect, its pretty clear it probably would, and has done with a helicopter recently.

So the consensus is that a drone hitting a plane would likely cause enough damage to the plane to be a risk to the passengers and staff. So therefore gatwick did the right thing.

Because as usual, many of people replying to whatever I'm saying cannot grasp the context in which I've said it.
I said I doubt whether a drone could bring a plane down, based on the incredibly stringent standards and criteria that they are built to, then you demonstrate that you've misunderstood what I've said by providing a link of a drone causing damage to a plane.
We didn't even mention helicopters.
Of course a drone would be a risk, just as a flock of birds at take off would be, but we're still no nearer knowing if a plane would be brought down by one. Your video showed it would damage a wing, but that looked like no more than damage which would mean that the pilot would land as soon as they could, rather than damage that would crash a plane. It doesn't show that a drone would bring down a plane at all, it doesn't even infer it.
Again, I've never said it wasn't the right thing to do to close the airport, I'm simply saying that there's no evidence a drone would cause a fatal incident. The degree to which these craft are tested goes well beyond a drone.

[Diggers]

Ideal gift for Dyna and Super!

[kwinigolfer]

All records I can find reckon there were 49K+ at Hillsborough on Boxing Day, 1979,for a bloodbath vs Sheff Utd; Leeds in Div 1 mid-table at the time, so couldn't have been them. Something for the Rokers to aim for Digs, perhaps if you let us have enough tickets we can get you to 50K in the reverse fixture.

[Diggers]

All records I can find reckon there were 49K+ at Hillsborough on Boxing Day, 1979,for a bloodbath vs Sheff Utd; Leeds in Div 1 mid-table at the time, so couldn't have been them. Something for the Rokers to aim for Digs, perhaps if you let us have enough tickets we can get you to 50K in the reverse fixture.

Maybe they are only talking current League 1 matches, Kwini. A bit like football never existed before the Premier League. They said the Leeds match was 7 years ago so that would make sense. Don’t think we hold 50k, biggest crowd at the SOL is 48k.

[pedro]

Spurs now 5 in a row. If they can overcome a rejuvenated ManU at home I can see them extending that streak to 13.

[I'm never wrong]

BBC website talks about 2nd biggest "third tier" crowd. HERE

[Roller_Coaster]

The plane that dropped onto the Hudson river was  supposed to be hit by several geese?

It was a flock of geese, multiple strikes with at least 2 hits taking out both engines simultaneously, first ever successful (ie no deaths) ditching of a commercial airliner on water.

Back in the 80's there were also number of hits by a flock of seagulls. But I digress

[super_realist]

Ideal gift for Dyna and Super!

What a hideous present. Worse than having a Diane Abbott duvet cover.

[McLaren]

Ideal gift for Dyna and Super!

What a hideous present. Worse than having a Diane Abbott duvet cover.

Diane Abbott replica fleshlight?

[super_realist]

Ideal gift for Dyna and Super!

What a hideous present. Worse than having a Diane Abbott duvet cover.

Diane Abbott replica fleshlight?

Surely that would be like a pair of waders Mac?

[I'm never wrong]

Come on the mighty Shrews and stuff Diggers team. <fat chance>

[dynamark]

Digs I am honoured to be in a tag team with Super.
I hope and pray that JC never gets the opportunity to lead this country along with many of the current labour leadership.I can only hope this country have enough sense to leave them where they are a freaky opposition.Your man Blair was never labour he was an opportunist who saw the middle left area was an open door and he walked right through.
The attitude of state looks after everyone needs to be stemmed and folk need to take responsibility for themselves

[beninho]

The attitude of state looks after everyone needs to be stemmed and folk need to take responsibility for themselves

Do you honestly believe that people who need state assistance for welfare benefits, homelessness assistance, pension assistance, disability benefits, help with childcare costs, get this because they don't take responsibility for themselves, do you think these people do not warrant state assistance?

[kwinigolfer]

Div 1:

That'll do . . . . . . . .

[kwinigolfer]

dyna,
Go west young man, Drumpf is looking for people with views like that - he'll grease the immigration skids for you, make you a US citizen in fifteen seconds (unless you are not white of course).

[Diggers]

Well done the Shrews. Good day for Pompey.
Dyna, I want a govt that gives people a chance to make the most of their lives. The Tories do not do that, they clearly set out to make an already unfair playing field unfairer. I don’t understand why you’d want that.

[super_realist]

Unfairer Diggers? I thought you were a teacher? Come on, you can do better than that.

In what way are people stopped from making the most of their lives under any government Diggers? Everyone has responsibility for their own path, it's not any governments responsibility to take their hand and lead them. I wish people would stop expecting things to be done for them and actually get off their fat arses and help themselves for a change.

The government provides education up to 18, if you want, you can go to University, it'll cost now, but that's not the Tories fault is it? If you want a vocational route, you can go that way too. Banks will provide career development loans for those wanting to retrain, as you found out you can get subsidised to be a teacher if you want.

[Be_the_ball]

[Diggers]

I wasn’t subsidised to be a teacher, not a penny, I paid for it myself.
I think you have managed to somehow completely ignore (or not be smart enough to comprehend) everything (take a look at Ben’s post for information) that might effect a persons ability to fully engage in our education system.

[beninho]

This government tried to end housing benefit / costs for 18-21 year olds. Was that fair? ( it wasn't which is why they had to backtrack, but are relooking)

If someone has a baby and is unable to work, her overall benefits are capped because she doesn't work. Is this fair?

People who rented council properties and claimed housing benefit lost a proportion of the amount, if a family member moved out. Is this fair?

People being moved onto universal credit are seeing benefits cut just because they have been moved over, is this fair?

Housing benefit rates have been set at lower then market rent and gone up barely 1% over the recent years far below rental figures, leaving the poorest in society to struggle with rent payments. Is this fair?

Homelessness is increasing with hundreds of thousands of families on temporary accommodation, is this fair?

Now, you apparently have a decent standard of living. You may not have any experience of people with issues, but if all you can cone up with is people should get off their fat arse and help themselves, it realky makes me question your understanding of the real world.

[super_realist]

I wasn’t subsidised to be a teacher, not a penny, I paid for it myself.
I think you have managed to somehow completely ignore (or not be smart enough to comprehend) everything (take a look at Ben’s post for information) that might effect a persons ability to fully engage in our education system.

I was referring to your use of a word that doesn't even exist, not becoming of a teacher.

[Diggers]

I wasn’t subsidised to be a teacher, not a penny, I paid for it myself.
I think you have managed to somehow completely ignore (or not be smart enough to comprehend) everything (take a look at Ben’s post for information) that might effect a persons ability to fully engage in our education system.

I was referring to your use of a word that doesn't even exist, not becoming of a teacher.

Do you mean unfairer? It’s a comparative adjective, perfectly good word. Must do better, Super.

[beninho]

Spurs turned into Spurs when they were being talked about as title contenders. Liverpool look very good though, with Salah "winning" penalties they will be hard to stop. Man City have no replacement for Fernandinho and its killing them. I'd have no issues with Liverpool winning the league.

Chairboys on a run of 3 defeats in a row, and dropping back nearer the relegation xone. Need to stop the rot soon.

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