6 Nations - Ireland v England (Part 2)

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Part 1 - https://www.606v2.com/t68214-6-nations-ireland-v-england-2nd-feb-2019

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Date: Saturday 2nd February 2019
Time: 16:45 GMT
Location: Dublin, Aviva Stadium
Media Coverage: ITV, TV3, BBC (highlights only), Radio 5Live


Officials


Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Alexandre Ruiz (France)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)



Teams

Ireland

15 Robbie Henshaw, 14 Keith Earls, 13 Garry Ringrose, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 Jacob Stockdale, 10 Johnny Sexton, 9 Conor Murray; 1 Cian Healy, 2 Rory Best, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 4 Devin Toner, 5 James Ryan, 6 Peter O'Mahony, 7 Josh van der Flier, 8 CJ Stander.

16 Sean Cronin, 17 Dave Kilcoyne, 18 Andrew Porter, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Sean O'Brien, 21 John Cooney, 22 Joey Carbery, 23 Jordan Larmour


England

15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 25 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 40 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 17 caps), 12 Manu Tuiagi (Leicester Tigers, 27 caps), 11 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 29 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 65 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 80 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 51 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 32 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 17 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 26 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 27 caps), 6 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 8 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 5 caps), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 36 caps).

16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps), 17 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 5 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 15 caps), 19 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 68 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 18 caps), 21 Dan Robson (Wasps, uncapped), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 51 caps), 23 Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks, 42 caps).

Ducking down into it though Nathan so probably won't be classed as a red offence. Like there's any consistency about those decisions tho!

Haha, very true!

mikey_dragon wrote:

BamBam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Another Diet Coke and wild Saturday night on V2 eh BamBam?

Ah you assume. Surely a man (apparently) who is (pretending to be) in Canada knows better than that! I'm actually typing from Wednesday morning at my desk at work in Mongolia

At least I don’t pretend my wifi goes down. How are the women over there?

Mongolia does have some females who would be right up your street, but they're always being attacked by snow leopards and so on, might be a bit dangerous for you when you're on the pull

BamBam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:

BamBam wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Another Diet Coke and wild Saturday night on V2 eh BamBam?

Ah you assume. Surely a man (apparently) who is (pretending to be) in Canada knows better than that! I'm actually typing from Wednesday morning at my desk at work in Mongolia

At least I don’t pretend my wifi goes down. How are the women over there?

Mongolia does have some females who would be right up your street, but they're always being attacked by snow leopards and so on, might be a bit dangerous for you when you're on the pull

Wish you two would stop flirting with each other!

Or save it till Valentine's Day?

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

nathan wrote:

No 7&1/2 wrote:I don't think there were any howlers from the ref but there were a lot of decisions that could have gone either way.

Tmo missed this one. Should be cited.

https://twitter.com/Bfoodloo/status/1091761023642750978?s=19

Oh would you stop. Jesus christ.

Englands player ratings would be high with about 4 of them at 9.

Johnny may for me enhanced his reputation as one of the best in the business...and was this the day Slade came of age.
Manu back was immense.

Oh and im sorry to go on but Curry and Wilson....well done boys!!

That was easily Englands best performance v Ireland since 2003. Good game plan and well executed, some nice individual performances. I think last year may have been a Lions hangover for England as well as a refresh period. Looking strong now and excited to see how they progress. Pretty sure that performance would have beat all teams in world rugby.

How's this affect the rankings?

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

No chance was it late and even if it was it wouldn't be a yellow for that. The ref said it was a shoulder charge as that's what the touch said. 2nd big error by him, the being saying Healy grounded the "try"

Found it!

1 New Zealand 92.54
2 Ireland 89.37 (-1.79)
3 (↑4) England 88.02 (+1.79)
4 (↓3) Wales 87.55 (+0.31

Sgt_Pooly wrote:How's this affect the rankings?

England into 3rd, if we had won by 15+ we'd be in 2nd

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

No chance was it late and even if it was it wouldn't be a yellow for that. The ref said it was a shoulder charge as that's what the touch said. 2nd big error by him, the being saying Healy grounded the "try"

England got penalised last year for a late hit against Ireland too. Its something your side do fairly regularly so wasnt really surprised it was awarded a yellow even if it was harsh.

nathan wrote:

Sgt_Pooly wrote:How's this affect the rankings?

England into 3rd, if we had won by 15+ we'd be in 2nd

Would have been a tad harsh on Ireland after performing consistently well for the last year or so.

carpet baboon wrote:Stander apparently played most of last night's game with a suspected fractured cheek bone/ eye socket. That's just mad

Ouch - He didn't look good when he was replaced

Sgt_Pooly wrote:Just to look at the English pack, when was the last time we had so many first choice options available and managed to put such a balanced unit out? You look at some of these options and it's an intensely physical unit, perhaps only Underhill improving us.

It's been a long long time since I've seen an Ireland side be out muscled by an English pack, they usually dominate us in this area quite comfortably. Throw in Tuilagi as the physical option in the backs (Possibly Big Joe also) and it's quite a beastly lineup.  

The loss of Underhill was offset by a huge performance by Tom Curry. Put in a huge shift, slowed down a lot of Irish ball and I think got a couple of turnovers/penalties as well.

Someone mentioned Ben Youngs as well, one bit of analysis I saw on Twitter is that he now joins the front line in defence, and in the lead up to Slade's interception try he actually swings from blind side to open side and is the guy who rushes up and puts the pressure on, leading to the errant pass.

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

No chance was it late and even if it was it wouldn't be a yellow for that. The ref said it was a shoulder charge as that's what the touch said. 2nd big error by him, the being saying Healy grounded the "try"

England got penalised last year for a late hit against Ireland too. Its something your side do fairly regularly so wasnt really surprised it was awarded a yellow even if it was harsh.

And Ireland always seem to get favourable decisions. They don't need it as they are a brilliant team.

Miaow has disappeared, has any one else noticed that in the number of words he has posted, he has compiled as much as everyone else put together, probably gone to get a new keyboard.

Collapse2005 wrote:That was easily Englands best performance v Ireland since 2003. Good game plan and well executed, some nice individual performances. I think last year may have been a Lions hangover for England as well as a refresh period. Looking strong now and excited to see how they progress. Pretty sure that performance would have beat all teams in world rugby.

2011 RWC warm up game was pretty good.

Two matches at Twickenham also stand out, the "Cipriani Game" and the "Scrum manshaming" game.

Congratulations to England - fully deserved the win.

As Schmidt said England bullied Ireland just as NZ did when they rebounded after the Chicago loss. Ireland never looked up for this game and didn't seem prepared to put their bodies on the line the way every England player did for their team.
Maybe Ireland had started to believe the media hype and Jones calling them the best team in the world etc. but this loss will leave them in no doubt that winning test matches needs blood, sweat and tears. They are not used to the favourites tag and have to learn sharpish that it means zip.
Best denied this defeat is a wake-up call against complacency and he is right in that the preparation probably couldn't have been more meticulous. However the alarm should be rung when a side is prepared to put their careers on the line to stop or stifle carefully crafted plans. If that alarm bell is heard then Joe won't be too despondent, and may welcome a hard lesson learned.

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

No chance was it late and even if it was it wouldn't be a yellow for that. The ref said it was a shoulder charge as that's what the touch said. 2nd big error by him, the being saying Healy grounded the "try"

England got penalised last year for a late hit against Ireland too. Its something your side do fairly regularly so wasnt really surprised it was awarded a yellow even if it was harsh.

And Ireland always seem to get favourable decisions. They don't need it as they are a brilliant team.

Not sure what you are so bitter about? Your side won fair and square.

LondonTiger wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:That was easily Englands best performance v Ireland since 2003. Good game plan and well executed, some nice individual performances. I think last year may have been a Lions hangover for England as well as a refresh period. Looking strong now and excited to see how they progress. Pretty sure that performance would have beat all teams in world rugby.

2011 RWC warm up game was pretty good.

Two matches at Twickenham also stand out, the "Cipriani Game" and the "Scrum manshaming" game.

Those two games at twickers were against much weaker Ireland sides. This win was against a top Ireland side in Lansdowne where losses are rare. As such it only really compares to the 03 game for me but I remember those other losses well.

The Great Aukster wrote:Congratulations to England - fully deserved the win.

As Schmidt said England bullied Ireland just as NZ did when they rebounded after the Chicago loss. Ireland never looked up for this game and didn't seem prepared to put their bodies on the line the way every England player did for their team.
Maybe Ireland had started to believe the media hype and Jones calling them the best team in the world etc. but this loss will leave them in no doubt that winning test matches needs blood, sweat and tears. They are not used to the favourites tag and have to learn sharpish that it means zip.
Best denied this defeat is a wake-up call against complacency and he is right in that the preparation probably couldn't have been more meticulous. However the alarm should be rung when a side is prepared to put their careers on the line to stop or stifle carefully crafted plans. If that alarm bell is heard then Joe won't be too despondent, and may welcome a hard lesson learned.

Yeah it was kind of set up for an Ireland loss from the off.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Miaow has disappeared, has any one else noticed that in the number of words he has posted, he has compiled as much as everyone else put together, probably gone to get a new keyboard.

All posters are allowed a break. Especially one who has been writing essays. Although there may have been some reaction to what could look like gloatwhining (no typo just a new word) from some, his posts after the game have been pretty balanced and actually quite complimentary. Hopefully we can back this performance up and get more posts of the same from non English fans.

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:

Collapse2005 wrote:

nathan wrote:Piss poor decision for the yellow card and not to use the Tmo.  Ref said it was his shoulder, but he wrapped both arms

Well it was also late. It might have been a soft one but it was also unnecessary.

No chance was it late and even if it was it wouldn't be a yellow for that. The ref said it was a shoulder charge as that's what the touch said. 2nd big error by him, the being saying Healy grounded the "try"

England got penalised last year for a late hit against Ireland too. Its something your side do fairly regularly so wasnt really surprised it was awarded a yellow even if it was harsh.

And Ireland always seem to get favourable decisions. They don't need it as they are a brilliant team.

Not sure what you are so bitter about? Your side won fair and square.

My issue is that for the last week all I've read is Ireland fans and pundits saying how Ireland would manshame England, the sort of stuff England get called arrogant for.

Admittedly not a lot of it on here so I'll back down.

I was going to say that at least there aren't many French fans on here to stir things up but there's been very little if any at all stirring from the Irish posters.

I agree Irish media were over confident. I thought that myself. It felt like a beat down was coming. Cest la vie.

LondonTiger wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Miaow has disappeared, has any one else noticed that in the number of words he has posted, he has compiled as much as everyone else put together, probably gone to get a new keyboard.

All posters are allowed a break. Especially one who has been writing essays. Although there may have been some reaction to what could look like gloatwhining (no typo just a new word) from some, his posts after the game have been pretty balanced and actually quite complimentary. Hopefully we can back this performance up and get more posts of the same from non English fans.

My old arthritic fingers would not allow me to post that much in a year. He does need some lessons in physics though, in particular the issue of momentum.

This has been one of the best behaved boards I can remember. Well, once the usual trolls got nowhere fast.

There is no way Miaow is a guy. Guys dont talk that much.

Generally, can't type that fast either, or am I thinking of my generation?

Just watched the BBC highlights...can Eddie Butler make his disappointment more obvious? Not an ounce of enthusiasm throughout. Surely him and Jiffy’s days are numbered in this game, time to bring in some guys who are willing to earn that paycheck.

EnglishReign wrote:Just watched the BBC highlights...can Eddie Butler make his disappointment more obvious? Not an ounce of enthusiasm throughout. Surely him and Jiffy’s days are numbered in this game, time to bring in some guys who are willing to earn that paycheck.

So am I the only person who pays no attention to the commentators? I honestly couldn't tell you who they were or anything they said.

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Generally, can't type that fast either, or am I thinking of my generation?

 Nah you are thinking of the Northampton illiterates you grew up with. Remember, to them you are as to James Joyce.

Butler's always been a biased plank but tries to hide it, whereas Jiffy is just an annoying commentator who lacks the guile to even try and hide his bias. I can't stand Inverdale or Guscott before I get accused of being biased too. Now Martyn Williams and Greenwood for example are examples of worthy commentators/pundits.

carpet baboon wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:Just watched the BBC highlights...can Eddie Butler make his disappointment more obvious? Not an ounce of enthusiasm throughout. Surely him and Jiffy’s days are numbered in this game, time to bring in some guys who are willing to earn that paycheck.

So am I the only person who pays no attention to the commentators? I honestly couldn't tell you who they were or anything they said.

There are times I would like the option of hearing just crowd noise and the ref mic. Commentators can be so intrusive, especially in stoppages.

LondonTiger wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:Just watched the BBC highlights...can Eddie Butler make his disappointment more obvious? Not an ounce of enthusiasm throughout. Surely him and Jiffy’s days are numbered in this game, time to bring in some guys who are willing to earn that paycheck.

So am I the only person who pays no attention to the commentators? I honestly couldn't tell you who they were or anything they said.

There are times I would like the option of hearing just crowd noise and the ref mic. Commentators can be so intrusive, especially in stoppages.

That's the worst bit, when they feel they have to say something. It's just talking for the sake of it. Only say something if it's actually going to enhance the experience of the watcher, you're not paid per word.

One thing we do have to consider though is that there are a lot of casual fans who watch for the Six Nations, so some things we may take for granted may have to be spelt out a bit more. If the commentator is making quite basic points they may not be intended for people who watch all the rugby and even post on rugby forums.

LondonTiger wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Generally, can't type that fast either, or am I thinking of my generation?

 Nah you are thinking of the Northampton illiterates you grew up with. Remember, to them you are as to James Joyce.

LT, I was around 40 before I got close to Northampton, born and raised a country boy in beautiful Sussex. Crap rugby county though, must have been to pick me.

I can only say as I have found, the people of Northampton, make beautiful shoes and are one of the few towns where rugby takes precedence of football, unlike Leicester. But like you I am now in London, only by a few hundred yards, but still in a London Borough. One advantage of being old in London is free travel on anything TFL.

All. This thread is being monitored. It is largely good fun, with plenty of disagreement. No issues with that or with banter. However personal attacks and insults will continue to be deleted.

Kind regards

The Thought Police

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Generally, can't type that fast either, or am I thinking of my generation?

 Nah you are thinking of the Northampton illiterates you grew up with. Remember, to them you are as to James Joyce.

LT, I was around 40 before I got close to Northampton, born and raised a country boy in beautiful Sussex. Crap rugby county though, must have been to pick me.

I can only say as I have found, the people of Northampton, make beautiful shoes and are one of the few towns where rugby takes precedence of football, unlike Leicester. But like you I am now in London, only by a few hundred yards, but still in a London Borough. One advantage of being old in London is free travel on anything TFL.

Must resist. Must resist. 

LondonTiger wrote:All. This thread is being monitored. It is largely good fun, with plenty of disagreement. No issues with that or with banter. However personal attacks and insults will continue to be deleted.

Kind regards

The Thought Police

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, he's inside my head

Yeah but who polices the police in this police state?

Well we need someone that can understand when they are swearing at us in Welsh

Presuming Ed wrote:Butler's always been a biased plank but tries to hide it, whereas Jiffy is just an annoying commentator who lacks the guile to even try and hide his bias. I can't stand Inverdale or Guscott before I get accused of being biased too. Now Martyn Williams and Greenwood for example are examples of worthy commentators/pundits.

I think the basic point is that Rugby on television needs more Sam Warburton.

robbo277 wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

carpet baboon wrote:

EnglishReign wrote:Just watched the BBC highlights...can Eddie Butler make his disappointment more obvious? Not an ounce of enthusiasm throughout. Surely him and Jiffy’s days are numbered in this game, time to bring in some guys who are willing to earn that paycheck.

So am I the only person who pays no attention to the commentators? I honestly couldn't tell you who they were or anything they said.

There are times I would like the option of hearing just crowd noise and the ref mic. Commentators can be so intrusive, especially in stoppages.

That's the worst bit, when they feel they have to say something. It's just talking for the sake of it. Only say something if it's actually going to enhance the experience of the watcher, you're not paid per word.

One thing we do have to consider though is that there are a lot of casual fans who watch for the Six Nations, so some things we may take for granted may have to be spelt out a bit more. If the commentator is making quite basic points they may not be intended for people who watch all the rugby and even post on rugby forums.

Pre and post match analysis there are definitely some good and some not so good. During the match I have somehow developed the ability to reduce there chatter to background noise I think it's mum be superpower.
But yes I guess they are more for the casual viewer rather than us elite 606v2's

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well we need someone that can understand when they are swearing at us in Welsh

Yeah and then encourage it

Most commentators up north are ok. Some need to brush up on the laws though. Try watching some of the rugby championship guys and they are truly woeful.

Presuming Ed wrote:

WELL-PAST-IT wrote:Well we need someone that can understand when they are swearing at us in Welsh

Yeah and then encourage it

Ignorance is bliss. If I don't know I am being sworn at, do I care?

After listening to to rugby league pundits I have an overwhelming desire to gargle with honey and lemon.

Eejit wrote:

Presuming Ed wrote:Butler's always been a biased plank but tries to hide it, whereas Jiffy is just an annoying commentator who lacks the guile to even try and hide his bias. I can't stand Inverdale or Guscott before I get accused of being biased too. Now Martyn Williams and Greenwood for example are examples of worthy commentators/pundits.

I think the basic point is that Rugby on television needs more Sam Warburton.

Butlers head is so far up his own ar$e, that he cannot see how biased he is. He has this habit of over pronouncing the "frenchness" of the names, bit like I do when playing with Italian food names, just makes me laugh. He thinks his French is good, but really it is basic and poor.

It is about time the Beeb dragged it's commentators and pundits into the 21st century, virtually none of them have played the modern game and lack the brains to have adapted to the tactics and requirements now required. The younger and more up to date pundits that ITV, Sky and BT use are far superior (except SCW- another plank)

People like Guscott have to make outrageous comments to keep their names in the public eye for their newspaper columns etc.

My perception, I do not know, is that the rugby on the BBC is run by BBC Wales, although I agree on the comments about Warburton and Williams, so much of the programming and the like feels to have a Welsh bias, like selling the rights to all the England home games whilst retaining the Welsh.

Oh, and Inverdale needs relegating to hospital radio programmes, what a donkey. Gabby Logan is just so much better as an anchor ( see not biased against the Welsh in general)