Political round up.............

by **JuliusHMarx** Fri 23 Nov 2018, 12:39 pm

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by Luckless Pedestrian Fri 14 Jun 2019, 11:31 am

Duty281 wrote:Chuka's just a lightweight politician, useless without a party machine behind him. Reminds me a bit of ~~Blair/Cameron~~ Boris Johnson in that he'll likely do anything, and say anything, to advance himself in the political world.

Quite.

by Duty281 Fri 14 Jun 2019, 11:38 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Chuka's just a lightweight politician, useless without a party machine behind him. Reminds me a bit of ~~Blair/Cameron~~ Boris Johnson in that he'll likely do anything, and say anything, to advance himself in the political world.

Quite.

Yes, or Gove or Clegg. Plenty of examples.

by MrInvisible Fri 14 Jun 2019, 12:10 pm

Disagree about Gove. I really dislike and distrust him - he's got dodgy connections to Murdoch empire and US lobbyists, and did immense damage as Education Secretary (corruption galore in Academies and Free Schools, laid the foundations for the appalling budgetary pressures schools are now faced with).

However, he was a competent Justice Secretary and has been effective Environment Secretary so is actually capable. There's a lot wrong with Gove but he is a genuine heavyweight politician - probably one of the few genuine big-hitters the Cabinet has.

by TRUSSMAN66 Fri 14 Jun 2019, 12:13 pm

Ridiculous polls out this week..

BMG

Lab 27
Con 26
Brex 22
Lib 17

Yougov

Brex 26
Lib 22
Lab 19
Con 17

Ridiculous variance as to make them laughable..

by SecretFly Fri 14 Jun 2019, 12:32 pm

MrInvisible wrote:Disagree about Gove. I really dislike and distrust him - he's got dodgy connections to Murdoch empire and US lobbyists, and did immense damage as Education Secretary (corruption galore in Academies and Free Schools, laid the foundations for the appalling budgetary pressures schools are now faced with).

However, he was a competent Justice Secretary and has been effective Environment Secretary so is actually capable. There's a lot wrong with Gove but he is a genuine heavyweight politician - probably one of the few genuine big-hitters the Cabinet has.

Ha! Ha!

Yes, he was. First law of the land. Do as I say not as I do, minions!

by lostinwales Fri 14 Jun 2019, 12:39 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

I do swear too much, but I don't automatically label people I don't agree with using swear words. It is actually OK, even important not to agree on everything.

However it is hard to disagree that, for instance, Boris Johnson is a c**t with very few if any redeeming features. That such a lazy lying so and so with such a poor record in every role he has filled can get any where near being our PM is scary.

by lostinwales Fri 14 Jun 2019, 12:41 pm

MrInvisible wrote:Disagree about Gove. I really dislike and distrust him - he's got dodgy connections to Murdoch empire and US lobbyists, and did immense damage as Education Secretary (corruption galore in Academies and Free Schools, laid the foundations for the appalling budgetary pressures schools are now faced with).

However, he was a competent Justice Secretary and has been effective Environment Secretary so is actually capable. There's a lot wrong with Gove but he is a genuine heavyweight politician - probably one of the few genuine big-hitters the Cabinet has.

Yeah he has some degree of competence to balance out the fact that he's a nasty piece of work. 'In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king' so Gove does stand out in that company.

by No name Bertie Sat 15 Jun 2019, 7:51 am

JuliusHMarx wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.
If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.
It is just meaningless assertion: xxx are c**ts. Big deal. This is not grown up talk. It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.

Yeah they do!

You're deflecting again. No "they" don't. You just can't engage with critique - here you provide a response that avoids you having to think about your own (poor) thinking and behaviour.

by No name Bertie Sat 15 Jun 2019, 7:57 am

navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.
If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.
It is just meaningless assertion: xxx are c**ts. Big deal. This is not grown up talk. It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.
Ah yes. Your pomposity is showing through well today. Let's move on shall we?

Another typical avoidance response. Sticking a negative label on me (Pomposity) so you can avoid reflecting on your own (poor) thinking and behaviour.

by No name Bertie Sat 15 Jun 2019, 8:07 am

lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.

I do swear too much, but I don't automatically label people I don't agree with using swear words. It is actually OK, even important not to agree on everything.

However it is hard to disagree that, for instance, Boris Johnson is a c**t with very few if any redeeming features. That such a lazy lying so and so with such a poor record in every role he has filled can get any where near being our PM is scary.

Bit in bold. That is not analysis - that is just stereotyping. To critique someone you need to have access to a great deal more information - not just political hearsay etc. And speaking generally - just because someone may have some personality features that you don't like - it doesn't mean that they are not good at their job - or the best person for the job given the candidates. It seems to me that some people want their politicians to be "pretend saints" rather than "real people".

Has anyone here tried there hand at politics - in trying to get elected for public office? It seems to me to survive in politics you have to have a thick skin.

by SecretFly Sat 15 Jun 2019, 9:35 am

I think you're onto a loser there, Bertie. But good man for trying.

People like their comfy caricature comic heros and villains. The Gaming generation and Superhero movie fans have become adults and they now want reality to mimic their fantasy sandbox worlds.

"Gove, I AM your Father!", rasps evil Lord Boris and the politico fans love it!
Boooo!!!!! "Just slice him with the light sabre, Gove! Just don't stand there!!!"

by SecretFly Sat 15 Jun 2019, 9:46 am

...I was always for Darth - long before I realised he was Luke's father.

Hmmm...does that mean I was very wise from the beginning and realised he could be saved from the dark side eventually - or did I just love his kit, his lovely choke trick, his dastardly plan to destroy all goodness in the world and kill every one of them softie rebellion assh............?!!!!!!!!

Yep. I think it was the latter.... Whistle

I just want to rule the universe.

by **JuliusHMarx** Sat 15 Jun 2019, 2:30 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
JuliusHMarx wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.
If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.
It is just meaningless assertion: xxx are c**ts. Big deal. This is not grown up talk. It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.

Yeah they do!
You're deflecting again. No "they" don't. You just can't engage with critique - here you provide a response that avoids you having to think about your own (poor) thinking and behaviour.

You said " I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people." I'm telling you they do. That is all. How is that 'poor thinking' on my part? Laugh

by Samo Sat 15 Jun 2019, 5:33 pm

I can confirm that Mrs Samo regularly describes people as c**nts. Good or bad. Although that might be a Scottish thing.

by **navyblueshorts** Sat 15 Jun 2019, 6:52 pm

No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:I guess the feeling amongst Conservatives is that if Boris Johnson can't deliver Brexit under the circumstances then nobody can. But who would want to be a politician (or at least one with a high profile position) in this era where the mainstream media don't report politics - but just run a whole load of abusive "personality" stories which are lapped up and taken further by Armchair Social Justice Warrior Keyboarders.

The amount of Poopie written about Farrage, Trump and Boris (all personality speculations), where anyone who wants to regulate national borders and save industrial jobs (e.g. Trump) is described as a far right nazi - certainly makes the majority of political talk null and void.

ps My own view currently is that I would prefer Brexit not to happen (but I think that ship has sailed) or to have a Brexit with Britain being part of the economic union (with protection of Britains in the EU, right of free movement, property and employment - taking into account local needs also).

Simply put - c**ts can have occasional good ideas but it doesnt stop them being c**ts
Really - did you learn your politics watching American movies?

Spoiler:
He's right though.

If so, all that can be concluded is that you and lostinwales label your perceived political enemies "c**ts". Less a personification and more a fetishization with zero translatable meaning.
If that's how you wish to take it, fine. No surprise, but feel free.
It is just meaningless assertion: xxx are c**ts. Big deal. This is not grown up talk. It is laddish talk - I don't think women use the term c**ts to describe people.
Ah yes. Your pomposity is showing through well today. Let's move on shall we?
Another typical avoidance response. Sticking a negative label on me (Pomposity) so you can avoid reflecting on your own (poor) thinking and behaviour.

Pompous is as pompous does. Own it.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun 16 Jun 2019, 8:16 pm

Waste of time C4 debate....Presenter was awful. When Hunt says he is going to pay for things by growing the Economy,...You might want to ask him how he is going to grow it....Perhaps ask why despite being in Govt for nine years they are only interested in investing in public services now..

Just a beauty contest where the opposition leader is used as a football..

Stewart won...Gove lost.

Horsecrap.

by Samo Mon 17 Jun 2019, 7:40 am

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Waste of time C4 debate....Presenter was awful. When Hunt says he is going to pay for things by growing the Economy,...You might want to ask him how he is going to grow it....Perhaps ask why despite being in Govt for nine years they are only interested in investing in public services now..

Just a beauty contest where the opposition leader is used as a football..

Stewart won...Gove lost.

Horsecrap.

Every debate in regard to Tory leadership is a waste of time for the most part. Its only a percentage or a percentage who get to decide who the next Prime Minister is anyway.

And people say the EU is undemocratic.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:51 am

All these TV 'debates' are utter bunkum. Not enough time, too many involved. Supine Chair. Complete waste of airtime.

by Duty281 Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:56 am

Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:11 am

navyblueshorts wrote:All these TV 'debates' are utter bunkum. Not enough time, too many involved. Supine Chair. Complete waste of airtime.

Just a Party piece circus for the Twitter generation. They despise anything longer than a sound bite or a slogan.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:14 am

Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

You naughty man! And people are wondering why Boris is keeping as quiet as possible. He knows he's tip toeing through a minefield right now. One wrong move......

by **Pal Joey** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:18 am

Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 9:21 am

Pal Joey wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

They tried re-animating Thatcher!!! I told you that many times already. Get it into your head. IT DIDN'T WORK! Now stop teasing them!

by lostinwales Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:47 am

SecretFly wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

They tried re-animating Thatcher!!! I told you that many times already. Get it into your head. IT DIDN'T WORK! Now stop teasing them!

They were going to but then someone remembered she was actually pro EU.

by Duty281 Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:51 am

lostinwales wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

They tried re-animating Thatcher!!! I told you that many times already. Get it into your head. IT DIDN'T WORK! Now stop teasing them!

They were going to but then someone remembered she was actually pro EU.

She was firmly anti-EU post-premiership.

“That such an unnecessary and irrational project as building a European superstate was ever embarked upon will seem in future years to be perhaps the greatest folly of the modern era. And that Britain, with her traditional strengths and global destiny, should ever have been part of it will appear a political error of historic magnitude.”

by lostinwales Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:57 am

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

They tried re-animating Thatcher!!! I told you that many times already. Get it into your head. IT DIDN'T WORK! Now stop teasing them!

They were going to but then someone remembered she was actually pro EU.

She was firmly anti-EU post-premiership.

“That such an unnecessary and irrational project as building a European superstate was ever embarked upon will seem in future years to be perhaps the greatest folly of the modern era. And that Britain, with her traditional strengths and global destiny, should ever have been part of it will appear a political error of historic magnitude.”

Well she didn't have much sanity left at the end of her career and she lost what was left shortly afterwards

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:07 pm

Thatcher would be accused of Hate Speech if she said that in today's tolerant society of interconnected lurve.

Hail EU!

by CaledonianCraig Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:19 pm

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Pal Joey wrote:
Duty281 wrote:Rory Stewart's got the nudge from the established media and Lord knows who else, and he's starting to get in position to be in the final two.

All they need now is a nice Boris scandal which sees the favourite knocked out of the race.

I saw the "last 6" mugshots together on the news screen yesterday. Rory Stewart's looked like a poor caricature of Alfred E. Neuman.

If he didn't have ears... his mouth would go right around his head!

As I said many a time before: you guys deserve so much better.

They tried re-animating Thatcher!!! I told you that many times already. Get it into your head. IT DIDN'T WORK! Now stop teasing them!

They were going to but then someone remembered she was actually pro EU.

She was firmly anti-EU post-premiership.

“That such an unnecessary and irrational project as building a European superstate was ever embarked upon will seem in future years to be perhaps the greatest folly of the modern era. And that Britain, with her traditional strengths and global destiny, should ever have been part of it will appear a political error of historic magnitude.”

Hmm, 'Britain with her traditional strengths'? She had all but killed them off with privatisations and seeing that Britain no longer made their own cars, produced their own coal, their own steel, their own electrical equipment. A bit rich coming from you Maggie.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 12:30 pm

Hell, I'm now thinking that maybe Thatcher was one step ahead of her critics - as the World Peace President of Global Fusion, Obama, mocked openly the coal producers of his own Nation, telling them that they could scream as loud as they wanted, their industry was going down.

So, I take it back. I think Thatcher would be the champion now of the Carbon Footprint apostles -

Yes to the end of Private cars on the roads!
Yes to the end of evil fossil fuels!
Yes to the end of high carbon producing dinosaur industries like Steel Production.

Christ, Thatcher would be a British Goddess for Climate Change Cultists.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon 17 Jun 2019, 1:12 pm

Yougov Tory member poll....'Which of these Candidates would make a good leader ??'

Johnson 77%
Hunt........56%
Gove........50%
Stewart....31%

Left out Raab and Javed who are soon to be leaving the race..

I imagine Johnson v Stewart will be the contest and as the membership love Boris it probably won't be much of one..

Right wing nutjobs..

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:11 pm

In case anyone hasn't seen the full results, Raab was in second place.

Raab. Seriously.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:15 pm

Johnson - Leaver (allegedly)
Hunt - Leaver? (allegedly) Fence sitter?
Gove - Leaver (allegedly)
Stewart - Remainer

Now if it becomes a two horse race, and the champion Leaver takes on the Remainer underdog. If then the Remainer underdog wins with excuses from the Party propaganda machine of trying to hold the party together by choosing yet another Remainer to negotiate for the majority Leavers..... Whistle

...if that happens (and it's building up to be not an unreasonable prospect) maybe then two or three more people will realise there has been a set up and that many of the Leaver Tories were never what they claimed to be from day one.

All eyes are on this one.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 17 Jun 2019, 2:39 pm

SecretFly wrote:Johnson - Leaver (allegedly)
Hunt - Leaver? (allegedly) Fence sitter?
Gove - Leaver (allegedly)
Stewart - Remainer

Now if it becomes a two horse race, and the champion Leaver takes on the Remainer underdog. If then the Remainer underdog wins with excuses from the Party propaganda machine of trying to hold the party together by choosing yet another Remainer to negotiate for the majority Leavers.....

...if that happens (and it's building up to be not an unreasonable prospect) maybe then two or three more people will realise there has been a set up and that many of the Leaver Tories were never what they claimed to be from day one.

It really isn't. This 'party propaganda machine' has had 'will of the people' on repeat since 2016.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:13 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:

This 'party propaganda machine' has had 'will of the people' on repeat since 2016.

My very point. All the better to keep Remain prospects alive. So not everybody is as angry about Tory fuddle as they pretend to be in public. Tory procrastination is keeping Remain on the table.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:22 pm

Can you try not to be perverse for an afternoon, Fly? It's tiresome.

by **Pr4wn** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:28 pm

Jeremy Hunt said he agrees 150% with the sentiment of the Trump attack on Sadiq Khan. Nice bloke.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:34 pm

Well you can't possibly defend a Labour politician when you're standing for leader of the Conservatives.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:50 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Can you try not to be perverse for an afternoon, Fly? It's tiresome.

What the hell are you talking about, Luckless? Perverse?
Opinions you don't share?
You believe what you want to believe and I'll believe otherwise, like Tory delay tactics being as likely a Remain tactic as it was apparently just bad management of negotiations.
You can read what you want and ignore the rest.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon 17 Jun 2019, 4:59 pm

A party that's droned on about Brexit meaning Brexit since 2016 is secretly remain? Sure it is, Fly. Sure it is.

I can't be bothered with these conspiracy theories of yours.

by Samo Mon 17 Jun 2019, 5:01 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Jeremy Hunt said he agrees 150% with the sentiment of the Trump attack on Sadiq Khan. Nice bloke.

Can we call him a c**t? Or is that still childish?

by Duty281 Mon 17 Jun 2019, 6:09 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:A party that's droned on about Brexit meaning Brexit since 2016 is secretly remain? Sure it is, Fly. Sure it is.

I can't be bothered with these conspiracy theories of yours.

Of course the Tory Party is pro-EU. The great charade is they pretend to be anti-EU.

by SecretFly Mon 17 Jun 2019, 6:20 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:A party that's droned on about Brexit meaning Brexit since 2016 is secretly remain? Sure it is, Fly. Sure it is.

I can't be bothered with these conspiracy theories of yours.

You're in charge of your own emotions. But I'm in charge of my opinions.

A party that chooses a Remainer to negotiate Brexit is serious about Brexit?
A party that drones on since 2016 about 'Brexit meaning Brexit' is serious about Brexit?
A party that constantly brings back the same 'Deal' from Europe, one they know won't pass Westminster approval, is serious about Brexit?
A party that is warned by pro-Remain factions that the demographics of voters will change in a few short years and produce a Remain majority, yet still drones on, and delays and offers Deals it knows won't see Brexit approved. Such a party is serious about Brexit?

Maybe it is deathly serious about Brexit but logic would waver in giving a verdict.
Still, as I say, Remainers should be happy that the Tories drone on and on. The longer the droning goes on, the longer Remain clings on as an option. Be happy, Luckless. There's still a chance.

by CaledonianCraig Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:12 pm

https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-ban-scottish-people-from-being-prime-minister-2019-6?r=US&IR=T

Oh dear. And they wonder why Scots want independence.

by **Galted** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:24 pm

Samo wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Jeremy Hunt said he agrees 150% with the sentiment of the Trump attack on Sadiq Khan. Nice bloke.

Can we call him a c**t? Or is that still childish?

If it rhymes it's fair play.

by **JuliusHMarx** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 10:49 pm

Galted wrote:
Samo wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Jeremy Hunt said he agrees 150% with the sentiment of the Trump attack on Sadiq Khan. Nice bloke.

Can we call him a c**t? Or is that still childish?

If it rhymes it's fair play.

You malt-head.

by **Galted** Mon 17 Jun 2019, 11:05 pm

JuliusHMarx wrote:
Galted wrote:
Samo wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Jeremy Hunt said he agrees 150% with the sentiment of the Trump attack on Sadiq Khan. Nice bloke.

Can we call him a c**t? Or is that still childish?

If it rhymes it's fair play.

You malt-head.

and you can stick yours in a bowl of gulyas

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 18 Jun 2019, 10:17 am

SecretFly wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:A party that's droned on about Brexit meaning Brexit since 2016 is secretly remain? Sure it is, Fly. Sure it is.

I can't be bothered with these conspiracy theories of yours.

You're in charge of your own emotions. But I'm in charge of my opinions.

A party that chooses a Remainer to negotiate Brexit is serious about Brexit?
A party that drones on since 2016 about 'Brexit meaning Brexit' is serious about Brexit?
A party that constantly brings back the same 'Deal' from Europe, one they know won't pass Westminster approval, is serious about Brexit?
A party that is warned by pro-Remain factions that the demographics of voters will change in a few short years and produce a Remain majority, yet still drones on, and delays and offers Deals it knows won't see Brexit approved. Such a party is serious about Brexit?

Maybe it is deathly serious about Brexit but logic would waver in giving a verdict.
Still, as I say, Remainers should be happy that the Tories drone on and on. The longer the droning goes on, the longer Remain clings on as an option. Be happy, Luckless. There's still a chance.

It's worth remembering that not a single candidate for leader of the party is arguing we should remain a member of the EU.

by lostinwales Tue 18 Jun 2019, 12:48 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:A party that's droned on about Brexit meaning Brexit since 2016 is secretly remain? Sure it is, Fly. Sure it is.

I can't be bothered with these conspiracy theories of yours.

You're in charge of your own emotions. But I'm in charge of my opinions.

A party that chooses a Remainer to negotiate Brexit is serious about Brexit?
A party that drones on since 2016 about 'Brexit meaning Brexit' is serious about Brexit?
A party that constantly brings back the same 'Deal' from Europe, one they know won't pass Westminster approval, is serious about Brexit?
A party that is warned by pro-Remain factions that the demographics of voters will change in a few short years and produce a Remain majority, yet still drones on, and delays and offers Deals it knows won't see Brexit approved. Such a party is serious about Brexit?

Maybe it is deathly serious about Brexit but logic would waver in giving a verdict.
Still, as I say, Remainers should be happy that the Tories drone on and on. The longer the droning goes on, the longer Remain clings on as an option. Be happy, Luckless. There's still a chance.

It's worth remembering that not a single candidate for leader of the party is arguing we should remain a member of the EU.

Yes they are all 'Jeremy's'. To be fair they are only trying to appeal to their electorate, which is not exactly the most representative of the population as a whole. However stupid the debate probably was (I didn't watch it) it is crazy that the floppy blond haired idiot not attending has no impact on his campaign whatsoever.

by Luckless Pedestrian Tue 18 Jun 2019, 5:14 pm

This Tory leadership race is quite exciting, in a moving-the-deckchairs-on-the-Titanic kind of way.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 18 Jun 2019, 5:55 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:This Tory leadership race is quite exciting, in a moving-the-deckchairs-on-the-Titanic kind of way.

No. It really isn't.

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