Six Nations round 4 Scotland vs Wales

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Sat, 9 Mar, 14:15
Murrayfield Stadium

Scotland.

Kinghorn, Seymour, Grigg, Graham, Horne, Russell, Price; Dell, McInally, Nel, Gilchrist, Gray, Bradbury, Strauss, Ritchie.

Reps: Brown, Reid, Berghan, Toolis, Watson, Laidlaw, Hastings, McGuigan



Wales.

Liam Williams; George North, Jonathan Davies, Hadleigh Parkes, Josh Adams; Gareth Anscombe, Gareth Davies; Rob Evans., Ken Owens, Tomas Francis; Adam Beard, Alun Wyn Jones; Josh Navidi, Justin Tipuric, Ross Moriarty.

Reps: Elliot Dee, Nicky Smith, Dillon Lewis, Jake Ball, Aaron Wainwright, Aled Davies, Dan Biggar, Owen Watkin.



Referee Pascal Gauzere (France)
Assistant Luke Pearce (England)
Assistant Federico Anselmi (Argentina)
TMO Marius Jonker (South Africa)

Scotland v Wales is on BBC One

Great tackle Hastings

Hastings showing Kinghorn how to tackle

Calling forward passes seems optional.

I’m glad Hastings was there, no way Kinghorn would have made that one

Well it was very important not to give one away there, so a small pick me up going in

Still a mountain to climb though

2010 style come back anyone?

Another dreadful Scotland half. Injuries and peculiar breakdown interpretation hasn't helped, but Wales are so utterly dominant they should be much further ahead.

Given Wales are s 2nd half team and we're really not, this is going to be a long 2nd 40 minutes.

Scottrf wrote:Calling forward passes seems optional.

Waaahhhh ref.

We don't look like we have any belief at all, we're just sat back trying desperately to minimise the final score

Ref is awful, we’re just worse

Clearly forward though Mikey. And stop stalking me.

Wales the better team so far but Scotland can feel a little hard done by to get pinged for what looked like a good turnover for being off feet when Wales have been clearly off feet multiple times when scooping the ball back or just slowing down Scotland ball. Scotland back luck with injuries continues too.

You also know it's not your day when Jiffy admits the first try was a forward pass!

I thought that pass was forward at the time, it was not even close!

What's frustrating is that we're so comprehensively being outplayed these decisions don't even hurt too bad.

Ritchie started on his feet but seemed to be on his side/hip when he twisted out and showed he had turned the ball over. Perhaps that’s what the ref saw.

Heaf wrote:Wales the better team so far but Scotland can feel a little hard done by to get pinged for what looked like a good turnover for being off feet when Wales have been clearly off feet multiple times when scooping the ball back or just slowing down Scotland ball.  Scotland back luck with injuries continues too.

I thought Ritchie made a good turnover too but the rest of your post is BS. Why the hell do we still read this on every Wales thread? RDW it’s time you set up that other thread I mentioned so the English can go there and ref-blame, the rest of us would like to talk rugby. Thanks.

Yeah, ref's being fussy at the breakdown. AWJ and Moriarty penalties were similarly soft - I'd say Ritchie's fine, but you have to see it in context of his other decisions. He clearly wants it to be clean, which should improve the game, but it does mean Wales are looking better because they're cleaning out their own ball well. Don't see Wales going off feet to slow Scotland's ball down - ref perhaps giving more leeway to players on the ball, then cleared off feet (which makes the Ritchie call even worse) but by and large I see no difference in applying the law between both teams.

The Oracle wrote:Ritchie started on his feet but seemed to be on his side/hip when he twisted out and showed he had turned the ball over. Perhaps that’s what the ref saw.

I don’t get how they can say the replay was slow mo, when it showed him touch the player on the floor, hence not supporting.

Seems a few reffing decisions being highlighted one way. We could all call offsides, or find decisions that are missed.

I still don’t feel comfortable for 9 points up.

Do we need to bring Vern back? It’s the basics we’re utterly fecking up

Yeah sure Mikey ... I'm the only one who saw Welsh players off their feet handling the ball am I? And as far as ref blaming, I didn't even mention the forward pass for the 1st try as I knew you'd be straight on it playing the persecution complex. Observing officiating errors isn't anti-Welsh.

Also, not getting points there - either 3 or 5 - might hurt Wales. Two tries scored, a 9 point lead could have been 12. This game isn't over but the bonus point try looks entirely plausible for Wales. Any points they can add all help the chances of winning the title overall.

tigertattie wrote:Do we need to bring Vern back? It’s the basics we’re utterly fecking up

Probably not the time to be discussing this - a quick Scottish try and this game is on - but the short answer is Scotland overall have regressed since he left.

Pretty simple job now, play fast expansive rugby and try not to over think defence. It’s too leaky with the inexperienced players on the field but those young guys are good attackers. It’s a real kick in the teeth to lose Kinghorn and Seymour, what bad luck. This is grey World Cup prep though so every silver lining

Ultimately we could debate the breakdown all day long, but the reality is Wales are miles ahead of us and should win this at a canter.

If we don't score first it could get messy.

Cmon Wales, were playing well at the moment

Oh dear Heaf way to go proving the point that I first brought up last year. Stop crying to the mods and get off this thread, you English are clearly still bitter and are adding nothing of value here. Let us real fans talk about rugby without your wumming and ref-blaming #EveryThread

tigertattie wrote:Do we need to bring Vern back? It’s the basics we’re utterly fecking up

I’d be more tempted to get a new defence coach possibly (I rate Matt Taylor though). Perhaps they need to mix it up a bit there because it’s been an issue for a while against these better teams.

mikey_dragon wrote:Oh dear Heaf way to go proving the point that I first brought up last year. Stop crying to the mods and get off this thread, you English are clearly still bitter and are adding nothing of value here. Let us real fans talk about rugby without your wumming and ref-blaming #EveryThread

Mikey you said you want to talk about rugby - posts like this don't help.

If you and Heaf could please just ignore each other 

bsando wrote:Pretty simple job now, play fast expansive rugby and try not to over think defence. It’s too leaky with the inexperienced players on the field but those young guys are good attackers. It’s a real kick in the teeth to lose Kinghorn and Seymour, what bad luck. This is grey World Cup prep though so every silver lining

Yes and Scotland have gained a lot of ground playing the Glasgow way, I think they have a couple tries in them.

Scotland's issue is the platform/overall power in the team. Scotland hampered massivly by injuries in this game...but also that's a consequence of the physical difference between the two teams. Most/all injuries seemed to occur in contact. Sort that out and they become truly competitive: don't, and they won't.

Game's still there though. Not over yet.

Er crying to the mods?

And if you bothered to look you'd see I did say Wales were the better team - but that doesn't suit your narrative does it that everyone is anti-Welsh.

WTF is wrong with that Scottish 7?!

Heaf wrote:Er crying to the mods?

And if you bothered to look you'd see I did say Wales were the better team - but that doesn't suit your narrative does it that everyone is anti-Welsh.  

Heaf I asked you to ignore him - please do

That’s it! Gotta shake it up a bit, get in their faces a bit

RDW wrote:

mikey_dragon wrote:Oh dear Heaf way to go proving the point that I first brought up last year. Stop crying to the mods and get off this thread, you English are clearly still bitter and are adding nothing of value here. Let us real fans talk about rugby without your wumming and ref-blaming #EveryThread

Mikey you said you want to talk about rugby - posts like this don't help.

If you and Heaf could please just ignore each other 

I normally do but today he decided I was the one he was going to pick on for some reason and I bit, even though I know I should rise above it ... I hadn't said anything that others hadn't. I think me being English is what he's objecting to.

Didn’t get to watch the first half.
Now scared to watch the second.
Just what the hell is going on?

The Oracle wrote:WTF is wrong with that Scottish 7?!

WTF is up with the ref calling Adams forward?

RDW wrote:

Heaf wrote:Er crying to the mods?

And if you bothered to look you'd see I did say Wales were the better team - but that doesn't suit your narrative does it that everyone is anti-Welsh.  

Heaf I asked you to ignore him - please do

Sorry posted before I saw your post.

Scotland being very clever pinning players in the ruck and getting the penalty. I think that’s 3 penalties won now. Not knocking it. Very clever.

Prop on the hoof. We have a prop on the hoof!!!

Williams is done I think

Same old same old, great build up then spoon it

Again once we didn't score from the break I knew we wouldn't score! Wasted opportunity again.

Real shame for Liam Williams, he's been awesome in every game this tournament

What a run Dell! Haha

lostinwales wrote:Williams is done I think

Thyat was a brave tackle, but looks like it cost him his shoulder

Williams done in tackling Dell.

George Carlin wrote:Didn’t get to watch the first half.
Now scared to watch the second.
Just what the hell is going on?

Best just not to ask

Woeful stuff from our backs

Dell and Ritchie showing the rest of the team how to play