Manu Tuilagi Choker?

So Red card, yellow card, pen or just handbags?

Personally it's just handbags to me and nothing more. Shouldn't need the ref to do more then step in and tell them off and both players know it's not going anywhere.

Oh boy, I'm sure this thread will go down well and not get derailed like the last one by the sad, lonely gremlins who pick fights with people on the internet for jollies.

That said I agree Yappy, a slap on the wrist and get on with things is all that's needed,

The problem is just seeing this in isolation. He's not doing that for no reason. I didn't see exactly what Williams did and have no idea if he said anything, but Tuilagi's response is a reaction.

And shortly after this Williams gets the ball, and then gets a full on tackle from Tuilagi that was making a point (in a legitimate, if bruising way)

Handbags.

Handbags. If he was being serious, he would have brought a noose, a few daggers, a loaded gun, some poison and a few Des O'Connor albums.

SecretFly wrote:Handbags.  If he was being serious, he would have brought a noose, a few daggers, a loaded gun, some poison and a few Des O'Connor albums.

I thought Des O'Connor was banned under the Geneva convention

lostinwales wrote:The problem is just seeing this in isolation. He's not doing that for no reason. I didn't see exactly what Williams did and have no idea if he said anything, but Tuilagi's response is a reaction.

And shortly after this Williams gets the ball, and then gets a full on tackle from Tuilagi that was making a point (in a legitimate, if bruising way)

Yea I had heard there might have been other factors involved.

Is there a clip of the Manu tackle?

Should probably rename this to ‘Manu Tuilagi Shocker’

Yeah look if you put a thug in the England jersey really what do you expect, flying left hooks or choking people?

Got our first ones

Probably a penalty. Problem with rugby discipline is that you’re encouraged to wind people up because any retaliation is punished harder. Getting choked and expected not to respond? Na.

Not seen anything on citings for either side, so I assume the officials have concluded it was handbags.

Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

These things happen every game, really nothing in it for me. Not even worth a penalty, just the ref telling the pair of them to tighten up.

Surely you mean loosen up, Billy?

Pal Joey wrote:Surely you mean loosen up, Billy?

Would that not turn it into a necklace?

LondonTiger wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Surely you mean loosen up, Billy?

Would that not turn it into a necklace?

maybe... or one of these (scroll down to 2nd photo in article... which is not worth reading, btw)

https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/fashion/this-could-be-the-world-s-most-expensive-tiny-handbag-20190227-p510m9.html

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

I doubt his teammates were very Prada him.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

I doubt his teammates were very Prada him.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have shown any Mercer to him in the sheds after that clutch on Williams.

Pal Joey wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

I doubt his teammates were very Prada him.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have shown any Mercer to him in the sheds after that clutch on Williams.

He needs to stop getting carried away and keep his Vuitton the ground.

Pal Joey wrote:Surely you mean loosen up, Billy?

Damn sayings that don't match context

eirebilly wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Surely you mean loosen up, Billy?

Damn sayings that don't match context

Completely understood anyway.

Absolutely no question that this was just handbags and is at the low, low end of any ‘offence’. The same as two locks grabbing each other by the collars and pushing each other. Happens every game.

Seriously, have people got nothing better to do than try to invent a red card or citing situation?! The Wales v England match thread was great for two whole weeks in the build up, during and directly after the game, which is very rare. Then it was ruined by a couple of weapons who undid two weeks of good posting by everyone else in a matter of days or hours. Really selfish. And completely embarrassing for those involved.

I think Williams' reaction demonstrates that this was nothing more than handbags. His reaction was no different to if the hand had been on his shirt, arm, chest etc.

I'm hearing all this stuff about handbags and yet can anyone - Anyone - show me footage of the actual handbags used? TMO didn't show any in operation. Williams was just complaining about a stiff neck and Manu is a certified physio. Nothing to see here. Move on folks.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

I doubt his teammates were very Prada him.

Pretty sure they wouldn't have shown any Mercer to him in the sheds after that clutch on Williams.

He needs to stop getting carried away and keep his Vuitton the ground.

Fendi see this properly he may have questions to answer.

You lot know far too much about handbags

Afro wrote:I think Williams' reaction demonstrates that this was nothing more than handbags. His reaction was no different to if the hand had been on his shirt, arm, chest etc.

Totally agree, Williams makes a mess of a great opportunity here, I think if holds his breath and takes a WWE style dive Manu gets a red.....

Because he doesn't I'll have to add another vote for the handbags.

rodders wrote:

Afro wrote:I think Williams' reaction demonstrates that this was nothing more than handbags. His reaction was no different to if the hand had been on his shirt, arm, chest etc.

Totally agree, Williams makes a mess of a great opportunity here, I think if holds his breath and takes a WWE style dive Manu gets a red.....  

Because he doesn't I'll have to add another vote for the handbags.

He should have been studying AWJ's technique... worthy of Stanislavski himself. Masterful.

You can't tell from one photo as for example you can't see if Manu has a fist full of William's jersey or if his fingers are on the other side of Willam's throat.

It's utter handbags at this stage

As with eye gouging though, if World Rugby decided to look at it and take a zero tollerance approach, Manu would have only himself to blame if they handed out a punishment.

It's the act that gets punished and not the outcome.

tigertattie wrote:You can't tell from one photo as for example you can't see if Manu has a fist full of William's jersey or if his fingers are on the other side of Willam's throat.

It's utter handbags at this stage

As with eye gouging though, if World Rugby decided to look at it and take a zero tollerance approach, Manu would have only himself to blame if they handed out a punishment.

It's the act that gets punished and not the outcome.

And obviously Williams was completely blameless, because he never ever gets caught up in this kind of thing..

It all reminds me of Sinckler tapping the head of the French back row following the latter throwing a punch.

I'm not saying Williams is an angel, but you can't blame him for someone putting thier hands on his neck.

"He started it" is not reaosnable defence in the eyes of the law. You can't shoot someone in the head and say you did it because the now deceased person was calling you names!

Manu should not have reacted to the barge and shove from Williams. I will not suggest he should have "take a dive" into the hoardings but reacting as he did took all attention away from the first infringments.


Storm in a teacup - preferably Wedgwood.

Nobody shot anybody in the head. If someone jeers and insults you, you are allowed do a Cantona....maybe not in law but certainly in my book

And quit the decidedly old testosterone sexist stuff about handbags! It's man bags these days for the real men who want a dialogue on masculinity by wearing ball gowns. Well, I say if you have the balls, wear the gown

I do want to see the tackle that Tuilagi put in on Williams right after this again. It was a beauty. Tuilagi was not a happy bunny.

Williams is a robust auld coot though. Think it's the sinewy stuff.

He’s a former scaffolder. Tough as teak. Sure he’s had to deal with worse on the building site

I must say, this thread has some utterly terrible handbag puns

I must also say that there's a few guys posting here with a very broad knowledge of handbags and fashion brands!

lostinwales wrote:I do want to see the tackle that Tuilagi put in on Williams right after this again. It was a beauty. Tuilagi was not a happy bunny.

It was a cracker and I think there was either something said post-contact or perhaps a body part tweaked as Williams suddenly grew a very broad grin.
Perhaps there was some minor cupping.

lostinwales wrote:I do want to see the tackle that Tuilagi put in on Williams right after this again. It was a beauty. Tuilagi was not a happy bunny.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/watch-manu-tuilagi-and-liam-williams-show-what-rugby-is-all-about/

tigertattie wrote:I must say, this thread has some utterly terrible handbag puns

It's been a Stella performance!

LondonTiger wrote:

lostinwales wrote:I do want to see the tackle that Tuilagi put in on Williams right after this again. It was a beauty. Tuilagi was not a happy bunny.

https://www.ruck.co.uk/watch-manu-tuilagi-and-liam-williams-show-what-rugby-is-all-about/

Cheers

The game was full of incidents like this. AWJ really showed his worth to Wales though as I think he did a better job than Farrell in keeping his team calm and focussed and milking the ref when necessary.

lostinwales wrote:I do want to see the tackle that Tuilagi put in on Williams right after this again. It was a beauty. Tuilagi was not a happy bunny.

...and Liam was laughing away at the bottom of the ruck.

Honestly, this incident - and the others involving Gareth Davies etc. - played their part in turning the game for Wales. England lost their heads, and the first consequence was Sinckler and a few others jumping offside early, which gave Wales field position, and then obviously through Sinckler's stupid tackle on AWJ. No issue for Wales - they pushed the laws/spirit of the game to get a rise out of England and it worked. Tuilagi was stupid enough to go beyond the 'I'll grab your shirt and snarl at you' modus operandi that is now in place in the pro game - he ran the risk of a card/penalty but the ref let it go for the sake of the game. Just as he let go Sinckler's body check - if there wasn't penalty advantage, make no mistake he would have given that as a penalty, but the decision he took was to calm tempers. Letting that and the choke go was beneficial to Wales as they reaped the rewards of England losing their heads without also suffering for their own 'pushing' of the boundaries i.e. WUMming a few specific players out of the game, literally so in Sinckler's case.

Agree about AWJ too, shone as a captain in this game. Much more of a natural 'leader' than Warburton and, although not as 'good' in the elements Warburton was great, he's definitely a lot better than he was 2+ years ago - turning down kicks and then the set-piece falling apart, arguing with the ref at times etc. Really growing into the role and I like the leadership group in the Wales team. A nice mix of sort of puritanical types like Warburton supporting AWJ's fire - Ken, Hill, Biggar as well. It's a good group.

JuliusHMarx wrote:

Pal Joey wrote:Yeah, not enough to be shown the Dior... but shouldn't have been drawn into the Chanel like he was.

I doubt his teammates were very Prada him.

needs to Karlm down and have a Lagerfeld

Gats said the whole team are chokers and I have to disagree as the evidence suggests only Manu Tuilagi is a choker

oh and a little bit of Sinckler on AWJ