Edinburgh and Glasgow – Continuing patter version 22 (it used to be a squad size)

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With the woes and injuries in the international camp just depressing us, lets look back to the club game.

Possible areas of discussion:
Edinburgh continue to hold the 1872 trophy
Edinburgh are getting a new ground
Edinburgh have a home Euro Champs cup game to look forward to
Edinburgh have a league fixture against the perpetual point givers, Glasgow, to look forward to
BigGee’s proposed Scotland XV for England has 8 Edinburgh players, 4 exiles and 3 Glasgow players so even the International team is starting to look representative of where rugby in Scotland truly exists.
It’s not all bad for Glasgow though as they sit above Munster in the Pro 14 and have Stafford McDowell on their books
Edinburgh have Hamish Watson though

jimbopip wrote:

RDW wrote:Apparentl Niko Matawalu had posters of Ally McCoist on his bedroom wall as a child too.

Where do you get posters of Ally McCoist as a child? And who would want them?

we're starting to sail close to the wind here!

BigGee wrote:https://www.scottishrugby.org/news/two-debutants-in-scotland-7s-squad-for-london

A couple of good young players given a run out with the sevens squad this weekend in London.

Kaleem Baretto and Kyle Rowe were both very prominent juniors but have not had much of a chance at Pro level. They may be auditioning for a full time role in the squad for next season due to the number of decent wings and SHs currently in the squad.

heading there tomorrow

If sober enough will feed back how they get on

R!skysports wrote:

BigGee wrote:https://www.scottishrugby.org/news/two-debutants-in-scotland-7s-squad-for-london

A couple of good young players given a run out with the sevens squad this weekend in London.

Kaleem Baretto and Kyle Rowe were both very prominent juniors but have not had much of a chance at Pro level. They may be auditioning for a full time role in the squad for next season due to the number of decent wings and SHs currently in the squad.

heading there tomorrow

If sober enough will feed back how they get on

In that case we’ll see you on Sunday.

If we learned anything from yesterday it’s that there is now surely a business care for extending Scotstoun’s capacity permanently. Seeing so many Warriors fans up chanting after our last try went in was something else, and a far cry from what we had to endure during the Firhill days.

Well the American team the SRU have invested in hasn't gotten off to the best of starts - they were annihilated 70-7 by Scotland under 20s. Going to take a while to get them competitive!

Their Twitter account is quite funny - think the Barbarians one with 100 times more 'merica. They did have a crowd of almost 3k which is promising I suppose.

No-one has mentioned it yet but one thing at Celtic Park that really impressed me was that half a dozen or so Glasgow players were ouside the ground giving away flags to supporters. They were modest and polite and seemed to be very happy to chat and pose for photies.

Wonderful PR for the club.

Glasgow and Ulster have agreed to two pre season games in September. It might be pre-season, but calling it a friendly is a stretch!

Eejit wrote:Glasgow and Ulster have agreed to two pre season games in September. It might be pre-season, but calling it a friendly is a stretch!

The Ulster boo boys vs the angry boo boys

Will there be talk of "meeting them aff the bus"?

I see one of the Edinburgh bound Fijians is now not coming, he has failed his medical apparently.

That is not good news. I wonder if they will now go back into the market for someone else?

We could still do with an experienced fullback, especially when Kinghorn and Graham will be with Scotland.

RDW wrote:We could still do with an experienced fullback and some half decent rugby players, especially when Graham will be with Scotland.

Fixed that for you.

No Glasgow players selected for the baa baas

Just saying!

tigertattie wrote:No Glasgow players selected for the baa baas

Just saying!

Or Leinster, Saracens or Exeter either. You know, teams that compete for titles and had/have finals to look forward to. Have we mentioned we won the Pro12 before?

Eejit wrote:

tigertattie wrote:No Glasgow players selected for the baa baas

Just saying!

Or Leinster, Saracens or Exeter either. You know, teams that compete for titles and had/have finals to look forward to. Have we mentioned we won the Pro12 before?

Didn’t you win in ‘66?

https://theoffsideline.com/kalione-nasoko-will-not-join-edinburgh/

Tough on the lad, but whatever the injury is, the medics don't seem to think that it will stand up to the grind of Pro rugby. I am sure that is a decision that they will not have taken lightly.

The last thing Edinburgh need is to sign another sick note.

So I've watched Scotland's games in the last few 7s tournaments and I've got to say we've been pretty rubbish. It's much the same players that have done well in the last few years but we seem to be regressing. The players don't look fit and their basic skills are poor.

We managed to stay out the relegation zone this season but weren't too far away from it - hopefully a new coach will inject some new enthusiasm.

Barreto looks a promising player though and I'd love to see Max McFarland in the Glasgow backline to see what he can do.

Interview with Allan Dell with Mark Palmer - he's been quite open and honest. Freely admits that he was going through the motions at training for a long time as he knew that no matter what he did Cockers was going to pick Schoeman ahead of him. Now you could say if he trained harder he might have stood more of a chance, but given Cockers' way I don't think it would have made a difference! He also expressed his frustration at how little gametime he got off the bench, especially leading into the 6N when he needed match sharpness. There were numerous games where Schoeman was kept on until 72/73 minutes even though Dell (an established international) was on the bench - didn't make much sense.

He also shed some light on the contract situation - Edinburgh said they were going to offer a deal but they kept delaying when it was going to arrive, so after several months at the start of the year he decided to take things into his own hands. Glasgow offered him a year's deal but the LI one was 3 years and better money so he went for the extra security. He admits he could probably do with a break from the Scottish rugby bubble too.

One final point to note were how good his 6N stats where - only Gilchrist played more minutes than him, he topped the tackle charts for Scotland, made more cleanouts than anyone in the squad and apparently PoM was the only player in the 6N to have more instances of being one of the first 3 players to a ruck.

Cockers reluctance to use his bench and his squad came back to haunt him big time. Hopefully he will learn from the experience.

In other new, the worst kept secret in Glasgow is now confirmed:

http://glasgowwarriors.org/news/19/06/03/coaching-team-201920-season-confirmed

Petrus du Plesis is to become the scrum coach at Glasgow, while still being available to play until all the internationals are back after the WC.

A good move for Glasgow, he seems to have settled in very well and become an integral part of the squad. With the good young props available to Glasgow as well, he could be just the guy to bring them onto their potential.

Aye there should have been more than enough games in the season to keep a top NSQ player and Scotland's first choice number 1 happy.

The decision to let him go was probably a commercial one though - he would have been looking for a decent wage as an established international and Cockers maybe had to reduce the cost of the front row in favour of other parts of the team.

RDW wrote:Aye there should have been more than enough games in the season to keep a top NSQ player and Scotland's first choice number 1 happy.

The decision to let him go was probably a commercial one though - he would have been looking for a decent wage as an established international and Cockers maybe had to reduce the cost of the front row in favour of other parts of the team.

Edinburgh had a great set of props and mishandled it last season. Dell, Sutherland, Marfo, Berghan and McCallum all saw too little time over the course of the season, whilst Schoeman and Nel got flogged.

Scotland has two clubs and can't afford for the number 1's at both clubs in the same position to be NSQ unless we have a couple abroad starting regularly. Best move for Dell and Scotland was to find a Premiership club likely to stay up (that LI team is looking great and may be mostly foreign) than being second choice at Edinburgh or Glasgow. If he had gone to Glasgow, he would have likely become first choice though with his all around game more suited to us.

Berghan is probably another candidate to leave at the end of the 2020 season if his contract is up.

Berghan signed a new contract this season until 2021.

Nel is already 33 so Berghan should take over as number 1 in that period - can see Nel having a big world cup and 6N then taking a step back, whether by non-selection (Toonie taking youngsters onto the summer tour) or by form/injury. If he stays fit we should be able to get a few more seasons out of him, but whether he can stay at the top of his game is a different question.

Berghan only turns 29 in December so is right in his propping prime!

Damien Hoyland signs a one year extension, no doubt helped by the big Fijian having his deal pulled!

Will give him a good chance to show he has a future in professional rugby - he was out injured for over a year before he came back at the end of this season, where he did ok (he was picked over Fife for the big Munster game).

We are still short at fullback though, although I'm sure I read somewhere our recruitment was done.

Looks like warriors are lining up a rebranding on tuesday. Let's hope it isn't another building society logo a la edinburgh!

Yes I just saw that tweet as well and there have been some rumours of a rebrand coming up.

Are we still going to be Warriors tomorrow?

I'd be surprised if they went for a wholesale change to be honest. Probably just a new logo and kit colours or something. It'd be daft to throw away something that has gained a large following.

Yeah it would be suicide to get rid of the warriors.

The Glasgow kits have been pretty rubbish for as long as I can remember so hopefully it's just cosmetic changes to the brands!

Aye the logo does look like it's fresh off of clipart from word 98

Someone on the Glasgow Warriors Forum has done some digging around and come up with this from the patents office

https://trademarks.ipo.gov.uk/ipo-tmcase/page/Results/1/UK00003362048

If that is it, I can't say I am to struck on it on first look. I guess it is nothing dramatically different though and will probably get used to it.

As long as we are forever Warriors, that is what matters.

Well it's an upgrade, that being said it's from clipart to scooby doo villain.

However, like you said, at least it's nothing major like being renamed the Glasgow Celtics or something.

If they can improve the kit that'd be nice. Is it still macron next season?

It's very Viking like.

Forgive my lack of historical knowledge but does Glasgow have any links to the Vikings??

You mean in the same way that Exeter have to native North Americans?

BigGee wrote:You mean in the same way that Exeter have to native North Americans?

Exactly in that way, yes!

Well apparently some West Coast Warriors having defeated the Vikings, did indeed sail up the clyde a d alighted near a place called Scotstoun which the preceded to defend with their lives for the next 400 years!

Nice little video, all good fun really.

At least we now know why they were giving all the flags away at the final now.

No longer required!

If you pause the video on 56s I think the logo looks much better - the eyes and grin make it look far too cartoony!

If they really wanted to relate to the real Glasgow they should think about a name change too:

Glasgow Sopdodgers
Glasgow Dole Collectors
Glasgow Powerduff girls (in homage to the pack)
Glasgow GBHers
Glasgow Salt and Vinegers
Glasgow Neds

etc. etc.

That new logo is absolute rubbish.

it certainly hasn't been received with overwhelming enthusiasm on social media!

I just don't see why they've done it - it's not massively different from the old one, and it's not like they're completely changing the brand like Edinburgh did.

RDW wrote:it certainly hasn't been received with overwhelming enthusiasm on social media!

I just don't see why they've done it - it's not massively different from the old one, and it's not like they're completely changing the brand like Edinburgh did.

I wasn't a huge fan of the old one either, to be honest.

I agree on the second point, it would have been much better if they followed this up with a player announcement or something about season tickets...I don't get it.

EST wrote:That new logo is absolute rubbish.

It's a lot more professional than the current one which I've always thought looked like a standard grade art project.

George Carlin wrote:

EST wrote:That new logo is absolute rubbish.

It's a lot more professional than the current one which I've always thought looked like a standard grade art project.

I'd have them level pegging, neither are the best.

George Carlin wrote:

EST wrote:That new logo is absolute rubbish.

It's a lot more professional than the current one which I've always thought looked like a standard grade art project.

id give it 2/10

The video is hilarious. It’s got more historical inaccuracies than Mel Gibson’s Braveheart

Luke Hamilton has finally found a club - out in Japan.

It's a shame he hasn't been able to stay in Europe but he'll probably earn more money in a few months there than an entire season playing for a lower English or French team! His tweet implied he's only there a few months so he's maybe eyeing up a move back to provide WC cover somewhere.

As expected Chris Harris has signed for Gloucester. Good move for him.

Yep good move for him! It'll also be interesting to see how he plays with twelvetrees and ciprianni in that backline. A good opportunity to show he's got a lot more to give in the premiership and a Scotland shirt.

Hamilton to Japan is an interesting one. I'm glad to see him try his luck there for a short while, sure it'll be a good experience for him and hopefully he'll get a bit more rugby under his belt.

Hamilton could be a very poor mans Haskell and decide he wants to play every (semi-)major league. Great for the account and nearby if the injury bug strikes hard, very hard, during the RWC.

Good move for Harris. Not sure he is going to excite many in Gloucester, but a solid 13 who covers wing at club level has value over the course of a season.

I still think that Harris is a very good club player. He looked very good the previous season when Newcastle were high flying and I can see why he caught Toonie's eye. He has every chance of looking that good again when he gets to play behind a good Gloucester pack and a FH like Cipriani who can make things happen.

From an international perspective though, he will probably be getting left behind by the 13s that are coming through like Hutchie and the Steyn of destiny.

In another era though, he would very likely have picked up a lot more caps than he has got. He is a better player than plenty others who have played centre for Scotland in relatively recent times.

When compared to the days of De Luca and Evans at OC. Definitely. Not much of a compliment though!

A quick glance at the U-20's side for tomorrow reveals the winner of the Most Scottish Name contest: at full back the one and only...Lomond MacPherson.