ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 2

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Table

New Zealand	5	9	1.591
England	5	8	1.862
Australia	5	8	0.812
India	4	7	1.029
Bangladesh	5	5	-0.27
Sri Lanka	5	4	-1.778
West Indies	5	3	0.272
South Africa	5	3	-0.193
Pakistan	5	3	-1.933
Afghanistan	5	0	-2.089

Pool Fixtures

Thu, May 30 
10:30 England vs South Africa  (The Oval)

Fri, May 31 
10:30 West Indies vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Sat, Jun 1 
10:30 New Zealand vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs Australia (Bristol)

Sun, Jun 2 
10:30 South Africa vs Bangladesh (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 3 
10:30 England vs Pakistan (Trent Bridge)

Tue, Jun 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka (Cardiff)

Wed, Jun 5 
10:30 South Africa vs India (Southampton)
13:30 Bangladesh vs New Zealand (The Oval)

Thu, Jun 6 
10:30 Australia vs West Indies (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 7 
10:30 Pakistan vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Sat, Jun 8 
10:30 England vs Bangladesh (Cardiff)
13:30 Afghanistan vs New Zealand (Taunton)

Sun, Jun 9 
10:30 Australia vs India (The Oval)

Mon, Jun 10 
10:30 South Africa vs West Indies (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 11 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Sri Lanka (Bristol)

Wed, Jun 12 
10:30 Australia vs Pakistan (Taunton)

Thu, Jun 13 
10:30 India vs New Zealand (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 14 
10:30 England vs West Indies (Southampton)

Sat, Jun 15 
10:30 Australia vs Sri Lanka (The Oval)
13:30 Afghanistan vs South Africa (Cardiff)

Sun, Jun 16 
10:30 India vs Pakistan (Old Trafford)

Mon, Jun 17 
10:30 Bangladesh vs West Indies (Taunton)

Tue, Jun 18 
10:30 England vs Afghanistan (Old Trafford)

Wed, Jun 19 
10:30 New Zealand vs South Africa (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 20 
10:30 Australia vs Bangladesh (Trent Bridge)

Fri, Jun 21 
10:30 England vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)

Sat, Jun 22 
10:30 Afghanistan vs India (Southampton)
13:30 New Zealand vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Sun, Jun 23 
10:30 Pakistan vs South Africa (Lord’s)

Mon, Jun 24 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Bangladesh (Southampton)

Tue, Jun 25 
10:30 England vs Australia (Lord’s)

Wed, Jun 26 
10:30 New Zealand vs Pakistan (Edgbaston)

Thu, Jun 27 
10:30 India vs West Indies (Old Trafford)

Fri, Jun 28 
10:30 South Africa vs Sri Lanka (Edgbaston)

Sat, Jun 29 
10:30 Afghanistan vs Pakistan (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs New Zealand (Lord’s)

Sun, Jun 30 
10:30 England vs India (Edgbaston)

Mon, Jul 1 
10:30 Sri Lanka vs West Indies (Riverside Ground)

Tue, Jul 2 
10:30 Bangladesh vs India (Edgbaston)

Wed, Jul 3 
10:30 England vs New Zealand (Riverside Ground)

Thu, Jul 4 
10:30 Afghanistan vs West Indies (Headingley)

Fri, Jul 5 
10:30 Bangladesh vs Pakistan (Lord’s)

Sat, Jul 6 
10:30 India vs Sri Lanka (Headingley)
13:30 Australia vs South Africa (Old Trafford)




Knock Out Fixtures


To Follow

Maxwell quite rightly furious with Khawaja there, really sold him down the river.

A bit of mild relief for Bangladesh, but Australia should still get 400 from here.

Khawaja playing for his hundred? Wouldn't have got enough strike with Maxwell doing his stuff.

Oh god poor khawja ...he wont want to be in the dressing room till maxwells calmed down, might have to find a cupboard to hide in!

dummy_half wrote:Khawaja playing for his hundred? Wouldn't have got enough strike with Maxwell doing his stuff.

Could argue he didnt run to keep Maxwell on strike. 

Could.

Khawaja compounding that error by edging behind off his next ball. Soumya has an improbable 3-for, and now 400 looks a bit more of a stretch.

Gooseberry wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Khawaja playing for his hundred? Wouldn't have got enough strike with Maxwell doing his stuff.

Could argue he didnt run to keep Maxwell on strike. 

Could.

Well yes but if you're not going to run it's usually advisable to not shout "YES!" and run halfway down the pitch before stopping

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Khawaja playing for his hundred? Wouldn't have got enough strike with Maxwell doing his stuff.

Could argue he didnt run to keep Maxwell on strike. 

Could.

Well yes but if you're not going to run it's usually advisable to not should "YES!" and run halfway down the pitch before stopping

Hahah OK! Im just following on the radio. 

Smith out too? Plenty of drama here

Absolutely top review by Smith there!

Mad for Chelsea wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:

dummy_half wrote:Khawaja playing for his hundred? Wouldn't have got enough strike with Maxwell doing his stuff.

Could argue he didnt run to keep Maxwell on strike. 

Could.

Well yes but if you're not going to run it's usually advisable to not should "YES!" and run halfway down the pitch before stopping

Inzamam Ul Haq made a career of it

Think Stoinis forced it on him. You could see Smith knew.

Momentum shift - after the carnage, from 46.1 to 47.1 overs, 2 runs and 3 wickets.
This is oen of the issues with leaving the acceleration so late - a wicket goes and the new batsman has to just go for it from ball 1

Ahhh.. rain. Bugger!

Well if Smith hadnt wasted time with that review they mightve been in the break ....

Its not forecast to last long. Should still be a full game.

Looked quite nice not long ago with the sun out. Where does the rain come from... the south-west? Let's hope it passes quickly.

Really? Is it raining so hard that one over would make that much difference to the pitch (it's not as though the ball condition will be that important).

It looks like a well-timed innings from Australia this. If they curtail the innings they'll probably round it up to 380 off 50, and then work out what Bangladesh need from there (if their reply is shortened).

Bangladesh will struggle to get 380 against this Australian attack. Even if the pitch is better and the boundaries are smaller, the bowlers will have greater skill, more variety and better plans than the ones they faced against the West Indies.

Australia to come back out and bat the last over, before a 30 minute interval. Cricket.

Khawaja almost literally played Root's innings from the other day and Vaughan is not happy with it but was absolutely creaming himself on Tuesday. What a clown of a commentator

VTR wrote:Khawaja almost literally played Root's innings from the other day and Vaughan is not happy with it but was absolutely creaming himself on Tuesday. What a clown of a commentator

Khawaja actually scored an extra run in 3 fewer deliveries - so if anything it was better. I guess the only difference is Root came in slightly earlier. But otherwise near enough identical.

Vaughan isn't my favourite commentator, not by a long way. I've heard he is involved with a PR company and his commentary promotes the players who are represented by this company, but I can't speak for the validity of that claim.

Yes I have heard that one, I got bored one day and quickly Googled it but couldn't find any information, I did not spend long on it though so I wonder if anyone else on here knows!

I thought Khawaja played very nicely TBH. Took a few balls to get in, eased to 50, and then hit the accelerator.

I would argue that perhaps Australia could have hit the accelerator a few overs earlier, but they seem to prefer the players coming in to be able to simply go for it from the off.

Vaughan was a fine cricketer, but he's a fairly rubbish commentator/pundit.

Well there was a predetermined theory that he should only play as an opener, its very prevalent amongst the ex player pundits. apparently Warnes been very vocal on it. When he came in things did really slow down and they have a very low scoring 10 over period at a time when they might have looked to chip along. Hes also never going to be able to score in the Maxwell did at the death. 
The pundits though were left looking rather stupid when Smith got out straight away in that flurry of wickets and suddenly they were running out of batsmen. 
They wouldnt have got this total without Warner and Khawaja hanging around, nor without Maxwells charge. You cant deny that he didnt contribute strongly and perform well. 
The argument seems to be that if they play England or India on this type of wicket theyll need 400 and Khawaja wont get them there. 
The India game is being cited where they played to hang on to wickets and then relied on Maxwell late. They fell well short. This score was against a poor attack on an easy scoring ground.

Bright enough start from Bangladesh. We know from the WI game that they're not going to die wondering. I think 380 will be quite a bit beyond them mind, but for tipping game purposes I'd like to see them get within 50

Oh goodness, a dreadful mix-up sees Soumya run out by a direct hit from Finch at mid-on. Tamim hits it towards him, wants the run and commits, Soumya not interested, but seeing how far down Tamim has come decides to attempt the run, by which time Tamim has turned back. Soumya also turns back, but it's too late, and he's way gone. All a bit comedic.

Gooseberry wrote:Well there was a predetermined theory that he should only play as an opener, its very prevalent amongst the ex player pundits. apparently Warnes been very vocal on it. When he came in things did really slow down and they have a very low scoring 10 over period at a time when they might have looked to chip along. Hes also never going to be able to score in the Maxwell did at the death. 
The pundits though were left looking rather stupid when Smith got out straight away in that flurry of wickets and suddenly they were running out of batsmen. 
They wouldnt have got this total without Warner and Khawaja hanging around, nor without Maxwells charge. You cant deny that he didnt contribute strongly and perform well. 
The argument seems to be that if they play England or India on this type of wicket theyll need 400 and Khawaja wont get them there. 
The India game is being cited where they played to hang on to wickets and then relied on Maxwell late. They fell well short. This score was against a poor attack on an easy scoring ground.

I think your last paragraph is almost irrelevant, Goose. Your'e still living two weeks ago... forget the past. Australia are steadily rising again.

England made a similar score (386) on a postage stamp sized ground at Cardiff. Not too worried about Australia's effort today at all. They did well.
The main thing is to build up the innings first with wickets intact. Then take it from there. Australia is deliberately avoiding the recent England trend of coming out all guns blazing... which carries much more risk...  especially if the plan goes wrong. If you look at the Cardiff match again; there's not much difference between England's 67 runs after 10 overs and Australia's 60 runs today. It's insignificant as I say above.

Pal Joey wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:Well there was a predetermined theory that he should only play as an opener, its very prevalent amongst the ex player pundits. apparently Warnes been very vocal on it. When he came in things did really slow down and they have a very low scoring 10 over period at a time when they might have looked to chip along. Hes also never going to be able to score in the Maxwell did at the death. 
The pundits though were left looking rather stupid when Smith got out straight away in that flurry of wickets and suddenly they were running out of batsmen. 
They wouldnt have got this total without Warner and Khawaja hanging around, nor without Maxwells charge. You cant deny that he didnt contribute strongly and perform well. 
The argument seems to be that if they play England or India on this type of wicket theyll need 400 and Khawaja wont get them there. 
The India game is being cited where they played to hang on to wickets and then relied on Maxwell late. They fell well short. This score was against a poor attack on an easy scoring ground.

I think your last paragraph is almost irrelevant, Goose. Your'e still living two weeks ago... forget the past. Australia are steadily rising again.

England made a similar score (386) on a postage stamp sized ground at Cardiff. Not too worried about Australia's effort today at all. They did well.
The main thing is to build up the innings first with wickets intact. Then take it from there. Australia is deliberately avoiding the recent England trend of coming out all guns blazing... which carries much more risk...  especially if the plan goes wrong. If you look at the Cardiff match again; there's not much difference between England's 67 runs after 10 overs and Australia's 60 runs today. It's insignificant as I say above.

I think the key to setting the big scores against the better teams isn't the first powerplay. You'll probably have faced the main two strike bowlers with slips in for at least 8 of those overs and the wickets column is more important. 40-0 is better than 80-3 here.

What matters is keeping the run rate going against the change bowlers in the middle without losing lots of wickets. Today I think Australia did that fairly well, not losing the second wicket until the acceleration in the last 10 while Rubel in particular took a bit of a hammering. However there was a slow down after the Finch wicket which went on a bit longer than they would have wanted, and they could be looking at 400 if they'd picked the pace up more quickly.

Good from Shakib. If Bangladesh are to get anywhere near this they really can't allow Maxwell to whittle through a few tidy overs here, and he takes charge with a couple of boundaries straight down the ground.

Decent rate but it feels like they are a touch under. They do need to get at the change bowling for sure.
Holding on to hope of what happened against WI when they went from looking behind on rate and wickets and suddenly exploded to win with a lot to spare.
They need some of that magic to chase this down.

That's probably the end of any realistic hope TBH. Shakib gone, and it's a rather tame dismissal, trying to whip Stoinis through the leg-side, and getting a leading-edge straight to mid-off, where Warner takes the easiest of easy catches. Shame as Shakib was once again looking in excellent touch.

Shakib has gone. A lot on Tamim now to really bat through and a big ton to break the back of this chase.

Yeah with the rate still creeping up it would take a miracle here and is likely to just be a turgid slow death.
BUT QUALIFICATION ISNT CLOSED YET RIGHT GUYS

Gooseberry wrote:Yeah with the rate still creeping up it would take a miracle here and is likely to just be  a turgid slow death.
BUT QUALIFICATION ISNT CLOSED YET RIGHT GUYS

If Tahir had have reviewed the Williamson dismissal yesterday it would still be open.

With Tamim out that's probably that for this game though.

It's been pretty inevitable after the first 3 rounds. I'm just clinging to a fragment of pretence.

The gap between these top sides and the middling ones seems huge.

Could do with BD making a bit more effort though to help out my tipping competition score

Yeah, I think I gave BD too much respect going with AUS-E. Should have maybe backed them for a T. 6 of us E, 5 have C, 1 N and there's one BAN-E.

I'm betting the Bang E is kpf!

It's actually a really tense finish between E and C ..edge of the seat stuff

You got it... 48 runs. The E's missed it by 1 run. Well done Goose!

-Today's game a case in point that when chasing team gets too far back like 12, 14 and 16 RPO with many over left
Then te defnding team's intensity drops, they start bowlling safe , put it there, even if they do 8 to 10 RPO, its deemed OK because RRR is further building up

and the chasing team gets too many cheap runs and finish with an inflated score......Aus did this to India ( thru Carey).....and Pak thru Imad wasim when RRR was 26.

-Aus's batting & balance is sorted with stoinis back....the issue they need to reveiw if Nile & Zampa are their best 3rd seamer and spinner.
Probably not in my view.

Good effort from Bangladesh, but it always looked like being quite a bit beyond them, and so it proved. Nice century from Mushfiqur, getting Bangladesh to within 50 runs and thus giving me an extra five points in the tipping comp .

Australia will be happy with their batting effort, but will still have a few concerns over their bowling, which seems to rely a lot on Starc and Cummins. Zampa didn't bowl particularly well again, and you do wonder if they'll give Lyon a go in the next game to see what he can do. They also had a bit of an off day in the field, a few misfields and missed a couple of chances.

Bangladesh's batting has certainly come along. They've made now three scores of well over 300 (including 320 vs WI in 43 overs). Their bowling is a step down though: their seamers aren't that great, and Shakib hasn't bowled all that well, while Mehedi has been solid but not threatened to run through sides. Their fielding has also been inconsistent.

The semis continue to look more and more set in stone by the day.

Okay let's play out some MMO scenarios for our English fan friend here

Aus has 3 games in hand, on 10 points and needs one more win to make it to semis...but wait...their 3 games are

1-England, the greatest side today by far & not beatable by even a world 11...so Aus stands no chance

2-NZ the other strong team and Forumers' favorite...will beat them with an E ( Easily)

3-And then SA will rise and shine & with nothing to lose, knock out Australia


MMO= Multiple Mental Orgasms

Not a bad effort from Bangladesh, but didn't ever really threaten to get near the total. Those semi finals really do look locked down, the interesting games left are probably the ones where the probable semi finalists face each other and the chance to get a mental edge on a knockout stage opponent.

Who has actually said England are the greatest team ever? You clearly live in some alternative universe where you see things on here that don't actually exist. That post is literally pathetic

The chasing team gets a higher score by not scoring runs.
I think that one was worse VTR

Gooseberry wrote:I'm betting the Bang E is kpf!

No, it's actually someone closer to (your) home. I was a little surprised too.

Preview of Today's Game:

The greatest team on the planet vs. Lowly Lankans
Swann says in CI's screaming headlines that Eng believe they can score 500

& then bowl them out for 200 ( because the not so great Aussie bowled them out for 240 so Eng definitely will do better)
Coming up Scorching 300 run win today

Pal Joey wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:I'm betting the Bang E is kpf!

No, it's actually someone closer to (your) home. I was a little surprised too.

I'm trying to make up a huge deficit here!

Give it a rest KPF. We were all asked to lay off you, and took that on board, but you won't let it lie and move on. Utterly immature and pathetic post yet again

What Swann actually said is that the England team believe they can at some point, not that they will or should for this game. I doubt they will push for that kind of score here, they just dont need to. Sri Lanka dont have the batting or bravery to chase 400, gunning for a ridiculous score and collapsing is the only way they are likely to lose this. If they bat first expect a measured attack early as we have seen from pretty much every innings and team at this cup. If they bat second they wont get the opportunity to chase 500.
As is being argued for Aus in the khawaja debate the real monster scores are likely to be chased in the games between the big 4 and the knockouts. High 300s might not be enough for those.
The Sri Lankan captain said they plan to limit England to under 300. It appears they have been practising lots of slow ball variations. 50 overs of wobblers.
It could be horrible to watch.

VTR wrote:Give it a rest KPF. We were all asked to lay off you, and took that on board, but you won't let it lie and move on. Utterly immature and pathetic post yet again

Ohh so you don't believe this Eng side can score 500?
Or their bowling is better than that of Aus