ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 4

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Yes, England expected to be unchanged. Long boundaries apparently, which will suit England's excellent running ability!

If there were a decent replacement in the wings, I think Rashid's place would be under severe threat. He's got figures of 7/403 from 69 overs in the World Cup so far, which is hardly illuminating stuff.

Five more overs . 206 / 7

Even 250 not out of reach if they can keep finding the boundary . But Woakes will have other ideas

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

No name Bertie wrote:Can these be described as "English Conditions" - hence in theory favouring the English team.

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Starc is playing really well here to get the Aussies a possible defendable total.

Optimistic review....

...umpires call, evens up the Carey one but theoretically both should have been given.

Gooseberry wrote:Plenty of signs that theres not that much in the pitch, England made the best of the early swing. Since then its taken some magic from Rashid a nerves to keep Aus down. 

Even if they creep up to 240 England should be massive favourites.

Tend to agree about the pitch , goose . But I'd say perhaps "favorites" , without the "massive" .And Australia aren't really "creeping"...this pair are giving it plenty.

Smith often has some luck with lbw , I think. Survives that one , narrowly , on umpires call. Looked another good shout.

This is shaping as very similar to yesterday's game . Hopefully a better outcome for he chasing team

Invaluable 50 run partnership.......might have turned the course of world cup

Such a valuable partnership. Spirited effort from Starc.

Some rain might be on the way, but not enough for a lengthy stoppage.

Exceptional fielding from Buttler. That's how to get Smith out!

Brilliance that has saved maybe 20 runs for Eng

A very good run out. I want to be so positive about this but I am still very nervous...

Brilliant from Buttler

Only way they could get Smith

Big moment ? Starc still in : his partnership with Smith has given Australia a chance. What can he do with the last three overs ?

Nothing ...three for Woakes

Now Starc

KP_fan wrote:Invaluable 50 run partnership.......might have turned the course of world cup

Keep dreaming 

OK, so against Smith in the Ashes we bowl for run outs?

Eng has been brilliant in the field

Was looking like 235+, but two in two balls!

Gooseberry wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Invaluable 50 run partnership.......might have turned the course of world cup

Keep dreaming 

that's old news from almost from yesterday in this fast moving game

dummy_half wrote:OK, so against Smith in the Ashes we bowl for run outs?

Or hit wicket, or obstructing the field, I don't mind!

I have a feeling it won't be easy, but what a fantastic opportunity to make a World Cup final. The cricketing equivalent of being 1-0 up at half time vs Croatia in the football World Cup after a dominant first half. Surely its all OK from there?

eirebilly wrote:A very good run out. I want to be so positive about this but I am still very nervous...

Everyone will be nervous , I think. Except Duty , of course

But if you'd offered England at the toss a chase of ...well better wait and see what the last two overs bring I guess. But it looks like a moderate total.

eirebilly wrote:A very good run out. I want to be so positive about this but I am still very nervous...

We couldn't have realistically asked for much more after Australia won the toss and sent us into the field.

We've restricted them as low as we can, the team look on it, we have Roy and Bairstow together at the top. A lot of reasons to be positive.

I hope Roy and Bairstow don't think about the target and just play the game. If Starc throws in a filthy half volley smash it for 4. We play our best when we are in an attacking mindset, and although we don't need to throw it away we need to look to score. Knock the bowlers off their lines and their plans, shift the fielders about, make them adapt to us.

224 needed should be a Cake walk for Eng from here

So they have a chance, KP? We didn’t at the start of play

224runs from the final.

That could be the best bowling performance I have seen from this England side. Morgan's captaincy has been excellent today.

I do not care if England only get 20 runs in the first 10 overs, just as long as they do not lose a wicket. The first 10 overs of the England innings will define this match I feel.

That's it, Wood, bowl it there. 223 all out. Glorious effort from England. Brilliant innings from Smith to keep his side in the game. Odd looking scorecard, only four batsmen made double figures!

England about 90-10 favourites. Australia have only one hope and it's the same hope as the Kiwis had yesterday - the new ball. If England can see off Starc's opening spell without great damage, they'll cruise. Two or three down after 10 overs? Could be tight!

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:So they have a chance, KP? We didn’t at the start of play

I can tell you for sure Eng will either win this or lose it

223 it is. Wood the classic tailender dismissal

Bowlers have done their job. Up to the bats now.

Of course they only got ,what , 221 against Australia last time at Lord's ? So no guarantees. Australia will come at them hard. But at least they shouldn't be under too much run rate pressure ...wickets will be very much the key.

If you'd offered any Englishman 223 all out within 50 overs after losing the toss, we'd have taken it every day of the week!

Crucial we don't gift our wickets away and go into our shells...a fast start from Roy/Bairstow breaks this chase. Be positive England!

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:So they have a chance, KP? We didn’t at the start of play

Of course not ! That is just KP_fan trying to hex them...

A good toss to lose?

Restricting the Aussies to 223 has been a brilliant performance by the bowlers and fielders, and probably in excess of most of our most optimistic expectations.

As we saw in the NZ v India game, low totals can be defended successfully, so it's important to make a solid start, although I agree that we need to avoid getting too passive like we did in the SL run chase.

Eng's openers need to play their natural game & if they post 50 run partnership at run a ball...then the momentum of it would be enuf to take them to 224 inpsite of some stutters on the way.

what Eng need to avoid is the horror start of Ind yesterday or Aus today.....but to avoid that if they play safe...they they are falling in a trap

KP_fan wrote:

Gooseberry wrote:

KP_fan wrote:Invaluable 50 run partnership.......might have turned the course of world cup

Keep dreaming 

that's old news from almost from yesterday in this fast moving game

Mate you are priceless ( well $100) 

England have a huge difference in this game, they dont have to bat on a damp overcast morning. Aus will struggle to get the same level of movement that Woakes and Archer did earlier, and that the Kiwis openers did against India. 

Youve seen in all 3 innings that batting has gone easier as the days progressed. This isnt a particularly difficult wicket, Smiths shown that. England just need a couple of players to not loose their heads, and bat down to 8 with a couple of sloggers after that. They dont have DK or Maxwell in the top half. 

Its of course possible that Aus can win this, but youre dreaming relying on what happened to India if you think Aus have somehow swung this game in their favour.

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:If you'd offered any Englishman 223 all out within 50 overs after losing the toss, we'd have taken it every day of the week!

Crucial we don't gift our wickets away and go into our shells...a fast start from Roy/Bairstow breaks this chase. Be positive England!

Agreed. They have to play their normal game. Might not be easy mind against the left arm attack ; but they don't just swing at it ...they simply look to attack anything they can - works more often than not.

No need to go crazy with only 224 required. So they can respect good bowling. But keep looking to score . One problem for Australia might be the fifth bowler : expect them to use the strike bowlers a lot early on.

KP_fan wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:So they have a chance, KP? We didn’t at the start of play

I can tell you for sure Eng will either win this or lose it

So if they win it will be their skill not the luck of losing the toss or position of the pitch protecting Rashid? Or Woakes using sandpaper?

Gooseberry wrote:

KP_fan wrote:

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:So they have a chance, KP? We didn’t at the start of play

I can tell you for sure Eng will either win this or lose it

So if they win it will be their skill not the luck of losing the toss or position of the pitch protecting Rashid? Or Woakes using sandpaper?

yes it will be skill and high quality cricket and would have shut their critics

6 Aus players scored 20 runs off 40 balls between them ( and four of them were specialist batsmen)
Starc got 29 off 36. He bats number 9.

It wasnt just the pitch and conditions.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/edgbaston/b15-2/minute-weather-forecast/321777

Rain is on the way.

Oooph. Doesnt look like its much though

Really nervous for this innings

Squeaky bum time. Hope England survive the opening 10 intact.

BBC suggesting 50-0 as England's target for the power play. I'd be happy with 40-1

England pair look far more assured than the aussies did..although apparently Bairstow might well have been out on that last ball of the first over. whoops!

Duty281 wrote:https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/edgbaston/b15-2/minute-weather-forecast/321777

Rain is on the way.

We should have 2 hours of play before the rain which should get us to 20 overs and a game most likely finished today, even if the remainder is a washout. We have the reserve day as well which looks good otherwise.

Australia would go through on a no result, but there is no real danger.

Hmm. Didn't even realize that it hit pad...neither did the Aussies I think. Never going to be given out though.
Roy more patient than usual. But off the leash now with a nice drive for four...

Aussies are bowling well with the new ball. As you'd expect. No free kicks on offer.

Eng off to a good start....they need to keep going like this for 10 more overs and then they are in green zone

robbo277 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/edgbaston/b15-2/minute-weather-forecast/321777

Rain is on the way.

We should have 2 hours of play before the rain which should get us to 20 overs and a game most likely finished today, even if the remainder is a washout. We have the reserve day as well which looks good otherwise.

Australia would go through on a no result, but there is no real danger.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we have at least 20 overs of this innings, the match would be decided on DLS rather than playing to 50 overs on the reserve day?

dummy_half wrote:

robbo277 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/edgbaston/b15-2/minute-weather-forecast/321777

Rain is on the way.

We should have 2 hours of play before the rain which should get us to 20 overs and a game most likely finished today, even if the remainder is a washout. We have the reserve day as well which looks good otherwise.

Australia would go through on a no result, but there is no real danger.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we have at least 20 overs of this innings, the match would be decided on DLS rather than playing to 50 overs on the reserve day?

I believe that is the case yes, they try to avoid the reserve day if possible.

Roys batting like its a T20 now .... 

12 runs off this Starc over, still a ball to go. Against the best bowler in the tournament.

dummy_half wrote:

robbo277 wrote:

Duty281 wrote:https://www.accuweather.com/en/gb/edgbaston/b15-2/minute-weather-forecast/321777

Rain is on the way.

We should have 2 hours of play before the rain which should get us to 20 overs and a game most likely finished today, even if the remainder is a washout. We have the reserve day as well which looks good otherwise.

Australia would go through on a no result, but there is no real danger.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if we have at least 20 overs of this innings, the match would be decided on DLS rather than playing to 50 overs on the reserve day?

Yep, that's correct.

First I was saying we should get to 20 before the rain, then I was saying if we do need it the reserve day looks good at least. Probably didn't separate the points clearly enough.

If we can get 20+ overs today it will be decided on DLS as any other ODI would be. If we have fewer they will play on from the last ball bowled today. So if we come off after 10 overs, we'll have an additional 40 overs to bat tomorrow. If we go off, come back on with a reduced target and then go off again, we'll bat however long was left for the reduced target.