ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 4

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Yes, England expected to be unchanged. Long boundaries apparently, which will suit England's excellent running ability!

If there were a decent replacement in the wings, I think Rashid's place would be under severe threat. He's got figures of 7/403 from 69 overs in the World Cup so far, which is hardly illuminating stuff.

Correct. Once they've had 20 overs bowled the reserve day is off the menu.

Hopefully the rain doesn't spoil the day anyway. Looks OK at the moment , no ? I know how quickly the English weather can change : but at least they're not in Manchester

Doesn't seem very fair from the sporting perspective, but I guess is logistically sensible.

England ahead of the rate and no wickets down, its unlikely that DLS will concern them!

Roy bats like Sehwag and should be given a go in tests as the talk is

50 off 10 overs. Perfect.

Aus were something like 27/3

dummy_half wrote:Doesn't seem very fair from the sporting perspective, but I guess is logistically sensible.

Well the problem is you have to have a rule set in advance to cater for all possible sets of circumstances. Otherwise the choice to postpone would be too subjective and the umpires would be liable to accusations of favoring one side or the other whatever they did. As it is it's a simple choice : whether or not play is possible ; and once it isn't the decision is out of their hands.

Fortunately was an easy decision on Tuesday ...and resulted in a great match. Without D/L.

Fifty stand up in the tenth These two doing a job again...

Lyon on.

Simply the start England, and us, dreamed of. Outstanding. Just get 10 more overs before any rain please

The perfect powerplay. Watchful and immaculate in defence; ruthless against the bad balls when they came. 90-10 at the start becomes 99-1 in England's favour.

It will take one of the greatest chokes or one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling to dislodge England from this position of strength.

Welcome to the crease , Nathan

Good response next ball. Pick the ball , Jason.

6 off Lyons first ball. Thats as many as Aus got in 50 overs already from Roy. And twice what India got on this ground against England.

Duty281 wrote:The perfect powerplay. Watchful and immaculate in defence; ruthless against the bad balls when they came. 90-10 at the start becomes 99-1 in England's favour.

It will take one of the greatest chokes or one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling to dislodge England from this position of strength.

Duty

You are obviously young and naive, not an England fan who can remember back to the 80s and 90s...
We can still find a way to lose from here.

Think Aus will be praying for rain here and hoping its a 20 over game allowing them to scuttle off and hide sooner. 

Turning into a complete humiliation

dummy_half wrote:

Duty281 wrote:The perfect powerplay. Watchful and immaculate in defence; ruthless against the bad balls when they came. 90-10 at the start becomes 99-1 in England's favour.

It will take one of the greatest chokes or one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling to dislodge England from this position of strength.

Duty

You are obviously young and naive, not an England fan who can remember back to the 80s and 90s...
We can still find a way to lose from here.

Well, I'm still giving Australia 1% chance! I'm hedging very carefully.

Get the feeling England are deliberately setting out to take Lyon to the cleaners straight away. Pre- set plan ?

Has some risk. But if they can hit him out of the attack it gives Finch one more problem . Not sure he altogether trusts Stoinis as his fifth bowler. Has Maxwell too , of course .

Wish the final was being played at Edgbaston, too!

Uh-oh, Bairstow's hurt.

Duty281 wrote:

dummy_half wrote:

Duty281 wrote:The perfect powerplay. Watchful and immaculate in defence; ruthless against the bad balls when they came. 90-10 at the start becomes 99-1 in England's favour.

It will take one of the greatest chokes or one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling to dislodge England from this position of strength.

Duty

You are obviously young and naive, not an England fan who can remember back to the 80s and 90s...
We can still find a way to lose from here.

Well, I'm still giving Australia 1% chance! I'm hedging very carefully.

The more experienced (jaded) England fan still has this as 60:40 to Aus

If Bairstow has to go off, I would promote Morgan ahead of Root. Root may be needed later.

Duty281 wrote:

dummy_half wrote:

Duty281 wrote:The perfect powerplay. Watchful and immaculate in defence; ruthless against the bad balls when they came. 90-10 at the start becomes 99-1 in England's favour.

It will take one of the greatest chokes or one of the greatest spells of ODI bowling to dislodge England from this position of strength.

Duty

You are obviously young and naive, not an England fan who can remember back to the 80s and 90s...
We can still find a way to lose from here.

Well, I'm still giving Australia 1% chance! I'm hedging very carefully.

Duty is the anti-Trebell. I'd actually be happier if we had the latter on hand for some balance ...hope he is back for the Ashes .

Now what's this ? Bairstow damaged himself ? Don't need this...Roy not looking too worried. And Jonny is up and moving : hopefully OK.

alfie wrote:

Duty is the anti-Trebell.  I'd actually be happier if we had the latter on hand for some balance ...hope he is back for the Ashes .

Now what's this ? Bairstow damaged himself ? Don't need this...Roy not looking too worried. And Jonny is up and moving : hopefully OK.

Or Dummy is trebell in disguise

How the hell did England lose to sri lanka.



Vince fans?

eirebilly wrote:

alfie wrote:

Duty is the anti-Trebell.  I'd actually be happier if we had the latter on hand for some balance ...hope he is back for the Ashes .

Now what's this ? Bairstow damaged himself ? Don't need this...Roy not looking too worried. And Jonny is up and moving : hopefully OK.

Or Dummy is trebell in disguise

No, just a realist...

Until my dissing of Rashid earlier, my attempts at reverse jinxing had been of minimal success.

Surely KPF is England's reverse lucky charm these days. Remember Pakistan had a far better chance of the semi finals. England were only about the 11th best team here or something after a couple of games. They had about a 0.1% chance of winning today if losing the toss, and can't chase in World Cups (other than the games where they did which don't count). These gems seem to be fuelling a reaction

This is exactly how I wanted England to play this chase and how they should have played in chases against Sri Lanka. It's harder with Vince instead of Roy, but against Sri Lanka we weren't proactive enough and just tried to occupy, thinking if we bat 50 overs we'd win the game.

England 71-0 after 11.4 at better than a run a ball. RRR falls below 4 and all the pressure is on the Australia.

VTR wrote:Surely KPF is England's reverse lucky charm these days. Remember Pakistan had a far better chance of the semi finals. England were only about the 11th best team here or something after a couple of games. They had about a 0.1% chance of winning today if losing the toss, and can't chase in World Cups (other than the games where they did which don't count). These gems seem to be fuelling a reaction

And England apparently can't handle the pressure of WC games, despite now being on course to win their third do-or-die game in a row. And none of those games have been close, this one doesn't look like being so either.

Gooseberry wrote:How the hell did England lose to sri lanka.



Vince fans?

In fairness to Vince, he was/is out of his depth opening the batting but he has continued to front up even after wearing a lot of the blame for losses and shown tremendous commitment to this team. Even today, he was out in the field and took a good catch.

Duty281 wrote:

VTR wrote:Surely KPF is England's reverse lucky charm these days. Remember Pakistan had a far better chance of the semi finals. England were only about the 11th best team here or something after a couple of games. They had about a 0.1% chance of winning today if losing the toss, and can't chase in World Cups (other than the games where they did which don't count). These gems seem to be fuelling a reaction

And England apparently can't handle the pressure of WC games, despite now being on course to win their third do-or-die game in a row. And none of those games have been close, this one doesn't look like being so either.

Yeah, but they've all been against minnows or chokers* haven't they?

* God I hate that word to describe sporting performances. There have been a few genuine chokes over the years (Jana Novotna at Wimbledon, SA in the world cup a couple of times), but usually it's used in an attempt to fail to give credit to the winner

robbo277 wrote:This is exactly how I wanted England to play this chase and how they should have played in chases against Sri Lanka. It's harder with Vince instead of Roy, but against Sri Lanka we weren't proactive enough and just tried to occupy, thinking if we bat 50 overs we'd win the game.

England 71-0 after 11.4 at better than a run a ball. RRR falls below 4 and all the pressure is on the Australia.

But against Sri Lanka , Roy wasn't playing and Jonny got Malinga'd for nothing... England really are a bit dependent on these two firing. Takes the pressure off the rest of the order.

Fortunately they usually do.

Fifty for Roy Top stuff. Time for a drink.

DLS pars after 20 overs chasing 223:

For no wicket - 56
For 1 wicket - 63
For 2 wickets - 73
For 3 wickets - 86
For 4 wickets - 103

England already have 89-0 from 14.3 overs, so if the next 5.3 overs go 4-14 Australia are right back in this one...

Carnival atmosphere in Edgbaston as Roy brings up his 50. He's so valuable to this team.

England on course. This has to be a mighty fine performance. Australia won a crucial toss. The pitch was quite sporting, asking some questions of the batsmen when they came and facing the new ball. By no means impossible to bat, but the Australian openers had no answers. Australia lost 3 for a bit more than India did yesterday, and its very tough to come back from such a position in a knockout WC game. Smith tried, but there was not much support for him apart from a brave Alex Carey and then Mitchell Starc down at numbr 9.
Australia needed early wickets to give themselves half a chance of defending 223, but the England openers were having none of it, they are gladly smacking it around, and are at a comfortable 90 without loss at better than a run-a-ball. Roy going like a runaway train, and Bairstow trying hard to keep up. Australian bowling appears to be rather clueless.

dummy_half wrote:

Duty281 wrote:

VTR wrote:Surely KPF is England's reverse lucky charm these days. Remember Pakistan had a far better chance of the semi finals. England were only about the 11th best team here or something after a couple of games. They had about a 0.1% chance of winning today if losing the toss, and can't chase in World Cups (other than the games where they did which don't count). These gems seem to be fuelling a reaction

And England apparently can't handle the pressure of WC games, despite now being on course to win their third do-or-die game in a row. And none of those games have been close, this one doesn't look like being so either.

Yeah, but they've all been against minnows or chokers* haven't they?

* God I hate that word to describe sporting performances. There have been a few genuine chokes over the years (Jana Novotna at Wimbledon, SA in the world cup a couple of times), but usually it's used in an attempt to fail to give credit to the winner

Agreed, it's such an overused term.

50 up for Roy at just better than a run a ball.

This board has already knighted Sir Chris Woakes, but if this goes on much longer do we need to make it Lord Roy of Edgbaston?

As KPF said, England should give Roy a solid run at the top in tests. He may not have batted much at the top in FC cricket, and the red new ball in England is a wonderful thing asking tough questions of the batsmen. But if Roy comes off in every 5 innings, that would be splendid for England, and can put them significantly ahead.

Raining

What Roy has shown is he has the temperament for top level cricket, I am pretty sure he'll get a go in The Ashes now

Steve Smith bowling some absolute filth.

The rain arrives on cue.

The Aussies getting desperate and Roy is charging. Another century stand for these two

I suppose you can draw some comparisons between Jason Roy and Kevin Pietersen's introduction to test cricket in that beautiful summer of 2005.

This is a very one-sided semi-final. Australia are to Edgbaston what England are to Perth.

On comes Steven Smith, once Australia's great legspinning hope. 20 years ago, a not too mediocre Australian legspinner bowled a magical delivery to undo South Africa's fine start and eventually laied out the pathway to arguably the greatest World Cup game of all!

Smith bowling seems to be a bit desperate... Roy enjoyed it

21 off the over ! Even with Maxwell brilliantly saving three...

Wonder what they'd have done if they had that short boundary

It would be so sad if the rain came and set in for 2 days...

As an England fan, I have wished that before myself.

Well, we can safely say that the legspin experiment didn't quite work out for Australia!

Rains stopped ....theres a bit of cloud but

alfie wrote:Smith bowling seems to be a bit desperate... Roy enjoyed it

21 off the over !  Even with Maxwell brilliantly saving three...

Wonder what they'd have done if they had that short boundary

Worse than the worst over I ever bowled of my slow non-turning off-spin. Went for 20, and the only dot was a dropped caught and bowled

No rain please! So much momentum with England now this could be over in the next hour

This is getting hilarious.

Its spotting but they should get to 20 before the mercy rule is invoked

That looks plumb to me

Pointless review

Bairstow gone. Suppose he can rest now, anyway!

Apparently the last 6 Roy hit off Smith was the first ever to hit the top tier of the stand. Short boundaries???

Let's get to 20 overs and the rain can do what it likes - we're something like 80 ahead of the DLS score...