ICC Cricket World Cup - Part 4

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Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:

alfie wrote:Good to see Morgan handling the short ball.  Has seen Behrend - orff...now taking to Lyon.

Keep the foot down lads I fancy an "early" night

Alfie I'm afraid this is the worst thing I have seen posted all World Cup.

I do my best

Umpires were unusually strict on enforcing the wides from short deliveries, which may have contributed. As long as they're equally strict in the second half, that's fine!

All going swimmingly for England. It's really hard to come up with realistic scenarios that seem the blow this

Gooseberry wrote:All going swimmingly for England. It's really hard to come up with realistic scenarios that seem the blow this

The scenario, as seen against India, is that the New Zealand bowlers bowl exceedingly well.

Yeah we've looked better playing our natural game. Which isn't looking to go at 10po from the start, it has to be said.

Have a look, get in and then push on. Be positive, look to rotate, take the boundaries that are on offer and put NZ under pressure.

Well let's put us in India's scenario. 5-3, Roy, Bairstow and Root gone.

We still have Morgan, Stokes, Buttler and Woakes with bits from Plunkett and Rashid.

Compare that to Pant, Pandya, Kartik and Dhoni. Our middle 4 are so much stronger. Jadeja got them closer than they should have been and he nearly even got them over the line.

We need two big partnerships or 3 good ones to get there. Ideally that would be for the first and second wicket but we could just as easily do it for the 4th and 5th with a bit more chipping in from below.

On this track, with not much assistance from overhead conditions, 241 shouldn't really trouble the England batting unit. New Zealand not quite there, a lot of their batsmen got start but none could play a decisive innings. English bowling, led by Plunkett, did a good collective job.

What a start ! This is close...

I think Roy is gone...

No ! Saved by a micron ! Umpires call ...drs loves England

So very lucky that is umpires call. That should have been given out, looked absolutely plumb from every angle.

not good from Erasmus, that's 2 from him today.

Looked plumb. Can't believe that wasn't overturned.

Redemption for '92?

Hell of an opening over from Boult. That angle creating all sorts of issues.

Now, will his new ball partner be just as good as he was against India?

As much as I have slated Dharmasena, that is now two very crucial mistakes from Erasmus. Game changing mistakes...

enough data points to start suspecting Erasmus showing a pro Eng bias.
One more data point will confirm suspicion

KP_fan wrote:enough data points to start suspecting Erasmus showing a pro Eng bias.
One more data point will confirm suspicion

Good to start on these outrageous conspiracies early!

Duty281 wrote:

KP_fan wrote:enough data points to start suspecting Erasmus showing a pro Eng bias.
One more data point will confirm suspicion

Good to start on these outrageous conspiracies early!

I say it as I see it...but have given him benefit of doubt of suspicion

Erasmus feeling the pressure now ? Guess umpires must , like players , have up and downs in confidence. Erasmus knows he got one badly wrong earlier : he is likely to be cautious. WC final nerves for officials as well ...

Dharmasena has been jumpy throughout the competition

NZ will feel the luck ain't with them today...

And Roy will feel better for that solid on drive ! Been really feeling for the ball up to then .

KP_fan wrote:enough data points to start suspecting Erasmus showing a pro Eng bias.
One more data point will confirm suspicion

Please tell me that's a wind up , KP_fan ?

Umpires call cant be a howler by definition.
It can be seen as a slightbertornin favour ofnrhe batsman, but since they are supposed to give benefit of the doubt it's not a bad call per se.
Kpfs trolling is embarrassing. If he was biased he wouldnt have made that excellent not out in the opening overs for New Zealand. His correct lbw call was upheld not long after the hopeless chap had got one wrong ( overturned on review)
The taylor decision was one of many made in the game, and frankly to call it game changing is ridiculous.

Earlier kpf was calling England lucky for being favoured by DRS ..and objective system. What an embarrassment.

This is fine for England. Just survive, and then if it's there to be hit, hit it.

We can be 10-0 off 5. That's not a bad place to be. Then we can start to press a bit more.

England having the rub of the English green so far. So close to a number of dismissals, but surviving for now! And difficult for the Kiwis to build scoreboard pressure with such a low total on the board.

Well dont worry kpf even with his help England cant chase down ANY target

How’s your luck? This has been something

Boult is all over Roy...he will be relieved to get that boundary away as he comes out of his crease to combat the swing...

Roy won't back away from his natural attacking style. This first ten overs might be something to watch !

England arent riding their luck any more than the kiwi openers did.

Goose,

Although I do not agree with KP_fan's point that Erasmus may be biased. The two mistakes that Erasmus has made could be potential game changing mistakes. Taylor is a recognised batsman and could potentially added more to the New Zealand total and Roy is a major influential batsman for England. I believe they are game changing moments.

Roy is tryinng but hasn't broken shackles......NZ haven't gotten him either.
This is the mini-battle that will have a huge bearing

eirebilly wrote:Goose,

Although I do not agree with KP_fan's point that Erasmus may be biased. The two mistakes that Erasmus has made could be potential game changing mistakes. Taylor is a recognised batsman and could potentially added more to the New Zealand total and Roy is a major influential batsman for England. I believe they are game changing moments.

Certainly both significant. But the Roy one was one of those that are often given not out. Too close to be sure ; which is why umpires call exists.
The Taylor one was poor , no question. Remember though , NZ would have had redress available had their opener not burned their review on a Hail Mary try...

24-0 after 5 and 3 from Boult. This start is good for England. At rate, but the important part is no wickets. These two are starting to look a tiny bit more comfortable. Stay in for another 5 then you can cash in.

The wicket the Kiwis deserve, just as it looked as though England were starting to cash in.

So from a NZ point of view they get 1 opener with first 6...and the more dangerous one....and have nose ahead
Eng's gotta ensure they do not lose another wicket until atleast 16th over

"Ahead" and defending under 250

Hmmm, wonder who is biased here

Not ideal and not in England's script. But they're still over the NRR and only 1 down. I'd hazard that one of Henry or Boult will continue past 5 overs. England just need to be patient, batting will get easier.

I'd disagree Billy. Taylor was worth optimistically another 20 runs when he got out. Roy's got out quickly anyway.
Neither decision has fundamentally changed the course of the game. New Zealand could never have made a good score from that position.
Game changing suggests it's made a deeply fundamental difference to the momentum of the game and the final result. I dont see that from either, and only one was a bad call.
Neither anything like the call Roy got in the semi which was horrid on all counts.

Roy is an explosive bat. Very dangerous to opponents when he gets set.
But his style almost ensures a fair few early dismissals. One of the reasons I am still doubtful about this push for him to be installed in the Test side.

In fairness he's been more consistent in this WC than his usual rate , I fancy (without actually checking the stats )

Henry is bowling brilliantly !

KP_fan, New Zealand may have had their noses in front at this stage if they had a similar or stronger batting line up than England do but they do not so for me, England have their noses in front.

Goose,

Fair dues if you feel that those two moments would have had no impact on this game, you may be right but I firmly believe that they would have if called correctly

One thing in New Zealand's favour is they'll be able to bring their change bowlers on without the fear that Roy will take them to the cleaners.

Bairstow is a good player and can be aggressive, but it's easier for him when Roy is doing the same at the other end and he's more free to be selective. Hopefully with the rate being what it is the two if them don't feel as much pressure to force it. Only need to go at 5s.

I'd like to see these two try and go at the rate. I don't think we should try and bunker in at 3s and 4s in the middle order knowing we can catch up later. That's how the scoreboard pressure builds.

England well placed after 10 overs. Only lost the one wicket and scored a fair few runs as well. Not out of the woods, but the most difficult phase of the innings has elapsed.

from attacking to blast out a a wkt...NZ seem to have moved their startegy towards stitiching together a number of dot balls

Oh dear, caught and bowled dropped...

Was that the moment?

KP_fan wrote:from attacking to blast out a a wkt...NZ seem to have moved their startegy towards stitiching together a number of dot balls

and I am afraid.....Eng letting that type of pressure build up that creates a choke
Bairstow from one end should keep hitting *the natural game* they talk about

Slight surprise to see Boult off for CdG already...had expected NZ to keep at these two with their top guns...

But there ! CdG drops a caught and bowled ! Bairstow struck it sharply but right at him...he just didn't get his hands in the right place. Caught and bowled are like that though...some just go in : some surprise you . You really don't have much time to set yourself in a follow through...

3 maidens on the trot, pressure building.

Joe Root looking a little unsure out there.

Duty281 wrote:Was that the moment?

as is being telecast here on my TV......I see a chance created every over

KP_fan wrote:

Duty281 wrote:Was that the moment?

as is being telecast here on my TV......I see a chance created every over

As Goose said earlier, there is no difference to the NZ opening to this match. Loads of chances were created by England as well.

Three maidens in a row rather a shock... There is no real time pressure on England chasing 240 ; but the slow score still builds pressure.
Are England going too much into their shells ? Or just respecting good bowling in the knowledge that they can up the rate as the ball ages and the main bowlers come off ? At the moment a lot of shots are finding fielders...

One more for Henry at least here surely.

Key bowler for New Zealand so far. England will be happy to see the back of his spell 1 down if they can.

someone needs to take it by the scruff of neck and play *naturally* else Eng will choke themsleves

Life hard under that bridge?

Quite nice to see England respecting the conditions and game when they need to.

How many runs Bairstow gets off the inside edge....BUT he muts chance his arm like he did in this over....Eng has depth and should not let too many dot balls get accumulated.

NZ need to remove Bairstow in next 3 overs