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[KP_fan]

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Cummins was out no doubt about that, not sure what he was complaining about to be honest, a clear noise and deviation off the bat.

why were there 2 deviations?
one clearly before the ball had passed the bat and nothing seemed to be touching anything then...and the second when ball passes the bat.
Both deviations looking similar...put a question mark over the correct functioning of Snicko

that said 3rd umpire could have done nothing different than upholding the onfield ump

[VTR]

This is why it's not a nailed on draw. One brings two, and Roy is out there, make that three then soon enough. Still absolutely miles behind. Over to Stokes to rescue them again - he can't keep doing it

[Duty281]

That was like watching a number nine or ten bat right at the last knockings of an innings. Hazlewood has three for the session. Two more and the Aussies are into the tail.

[compelling and rich]

just hit the wickets against roy

[compelling and rich]

change of plan now, none of this counter attack malarkey. see off balls as long as possible and eek over the follow on using as much time as possible

if we have any chance of the draw these two need to see out the rest of today

[compelling and rich]

that will do

[Soul Requiem]

It's been too dark since about 6 o'clock.

[Gooseberry]

It got dark the minute Burns was out.

[Soul Requiem]

I'm not a huge fan of playing under the floodlights, it seems to create artificial movement that wasn't there before.

[Duty281]

Pretty simple recipe for Australia to win from here - take the five remaining wickets in the morning with the aid of the second new ball, then bat on until around 6/half 6 tomorrow evening after giving the ball some tap. The lead should then be comfortably past 400 and maybe even past 450. Declare with around 110-120 overs left in the game, which is more than enough for Stokes to repeat his Headingley heroics for Australia to bowl out England and retain the urn. Forecast looks a little brighter for tomorrow and Sunday, so there may be no issues with bad light.

I doubt Australia will enforce the follow-on, even if the opportunity presents itself. England need to somehow bat through the first session and into the afternoon to stand a realistic chance of saving the test and keeping the series alive.

[VTR]

Pretty much that. I reckon England have to bat a further 50 overs in this innings to have a chance of escaping. Will that happen? Nope

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Burns has now scored 99 more runs this series by himself than all the innings combined of the other openers playing in the series - has he had some luck? Sure. But he’s also played bloody well, and is in the midst of the best series for an England opener in England for some time. Fair play to him for that

Root is showing signs of form - it’s much better we’re having the converting 50’s into 100’s issue again rather than the simply no runs issue!

Really don’t think it’s beyond england to see this game out...but obviously the first session tomorrow is crucial to that. Really can’t afford to be losing more than 2 wickets before lunch, and need to eat further into that deficit. Would like to see Bairstow play as he did 2nd innings at Headingley and be positive, same with Buttler.

Fascinating day ahead

[KP_fan]

Aus 300 runs behind....and assuming no rains
At most Eng can bat two more sessions.....and get 200 more runs and leave Aus with a lead of 100.
Aus bats 2 more sessions and leave Eng to chase 300 runs in 2 sessions on D5 pitch and I think that will be touch and go for Eng.
Offcourse that's the best case for Eng....and they are not completely out of troubled waters

The less good to worst cases and they could get completely rolled over. What has worked for Eng and against Aus so far....is the ineffectiveness of Lyon,
watched only a bit , and heard Boycott make the point and he doesn't sugar coat it...Lyon is just a bit short......allowing Eng batsmen to adjust of the back foot.
Lyon needs tot get his length better and also try and come more around the wicket too.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Knew we’d lose late wickets the minute I read that idiot saying it was nailed on as a draw.

Denly and Roy surely have one innings now to save their careers. And I’d imagine it’s too late for Denly anyway. But if Roy can’t score in these conditions, when does he score? A pick that underlines why we won’t win the Ashes.

[robbo277]

Yeah a session and a half for England to bat to keep the draw as the favourite from here. If we can get past lunch each over is worth two, one that they don't have to bat and one that the Aussies have to bat to get the runs.

Big job for Stokes, Bairstow and Buttler because there's not a lot after them.

[Gooseberry]

Denly and Roy will probably get the fifth yest regardless . Its maddening that Pope who got 221 n/o on his last first class innings and Sibley who scored 104 runs as an opener against the Aus XI are playing Blast cricket.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Just turned it on. Second ball, Bairstow gets bowled in the way Bairstow gets bowled. How much to avoid the follow on?

[Duty281]

Starc's been a lot better this morning and he's clean bowled Bairstow.

Bairstow bowled? What a shock! Timely wicket for the Aussies as the English were starting to look comfortable.

[compelling and rich]

these one day players don't half like leaving huge gaps to be bowled through

[compelling and rich]

cant see jos doing much better

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

If the Aussies rattle through the rest of us here, wonder if they would consider the follow on...overcast, ball is moving in the air.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

https://twitter.com/cricvizanalyst/status/1170288304715128833?s=21

Those stats are yikes bad

[JDizzle]

Tbf, Bairstow’s been getting bowled like that from innings one his Test career! All the greatest hits coming out - Root not converting a 50, Bairstow getting bowled.

Hazlewood is so, so good though. He bowls like Asif used to do in England - relentless accuracy and seaming it both ways, just 7-10mph quicker! Play that.

[Dolphin Ziggler]

Pretty done with YJB too. Denly, Roy and Bairstow into the sea. Sibley, Crawley, Pope.

Buttler next in line, whether Foakes can take that place or someone else

[Soul Requiem]

I'm all for selecting the best keeper when the two apparently better batters aren't scoring.

[compelling and rich]

theres the match

[Duty281]

Stokes gone, hope gone. Starc's arrived at the test match.

[JDizzle]

I'd enforce the follow on, but I doubt the Aussies will. The Aussies batting again increases England's chance of a draw IMO.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

I'd enforce the follow on, but I doubt the Aussies will. The Aussies batting again increases England's chance of a draw IMO.

Agree with this - slim chance either way mind, but fully agree - even if we bat well I could only see us getting a lead of 80-100 tops, which the Aussies should chase down with ease. If they bat again it does only require a Root/Burns partnership to get us to that draw...

And these are great bowling conditions atm

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Is Wade chirping Archer about being disloyal because he moved BBL teams?

What horrendously awful chat.

[compelling and rich]

Stokes gone, hope gone. Starc's arrived at the test match.

its what he does, pretty poor against top order but always seems to clean up lower order

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Paine really is crap at reviews isn’t he

[LondonTiger]

Not sure why it has taken so long for them to notice Cummins and his front foot. Wonder how many no-balls he has bowled, feels like at least a dozen.

[VTR]

This is like one of those 90s Ashes Tests where you'd be sat there hoping that somehow Cork, Caddick or Gough would make some runs to save the follow on

[Duty281]

England have done well to bat through that morning session, although with the exception of Starc it was quite a tepid effort from the tourists. Really overdoing the short stuff against Broad.

If England can just make it through another hour or more in the afternoon, the draw starts to become favourite.

[Duty281]

This is like one of those 90s Ashes Tests where you'd be sat there hoping that somehow Cork, Caddick or Gough would make some runs to save the follow on

Just checked and Cork's got a higher test batting average than Roy! The sad thing is I'm not too surprised.

[Good Golly I'm Olly]

Buttler beginning to show signs he’s getting back to form - would be handy if he can make 50 odd here...

[VTR]

That's funny/depressing re Cork. I'd imagine Caddick, Croft and Gough aren't too far off if not better as well

[robbo277]

How long's left? 68 overs today? Lose 2 for the innings and that's 66. Can lose 6ish because they wont be bowled and light. So around 160 in the game.

If Australia go bang bang then they wont need to bat 60 overs. That would be 380+. England would have 100+ to bat.

If England can take an hour out the game, 15 overs, a couple of Buttler slogs and the the lead could be down to 150 with 145 overs to go. To give England 100 to bat they can bat 45 but only leave 300 and give England a sniff. So they'd probably have to bat on.

Next hour is therefore so important.

[VTR]

Agree with that, so you have to question what goes through the heads of the likes of Roy and Bairstow playing booming drives which leaves a gap a bus could drive through. The truth is they can't help it and no way should we have three or four of those type players in the same team. The fact we're getting near bringing the draw into the equation, all it would have taken was one more batsman to actually apply themselves. Stokes escapes criticism as he must be sick of carrying the team

[Duty281]

How long's left? 68 overs today? Lose 2 for the innings and that's 66. Can lose 6ish because they wont be bowled and light. So around 160 in the game.

If Australia go bang bang then they wont need to bat 60 overs. That would be 380+. England would have 100+ to bat.

If England can take an hour out the game, 15 overs, a couple of Buttler slogs and the the lead could be down to 150 with 145 overs to go. To give England 100 to bat they can bat 45 but only leave 300 and give England a sniff. So they'd probably have to bat on.

Next hour is therefore so important.

74 left today - they only got through 24 overs this morning!

[guildfordbat]

Yeah a session and a half for England to bat to keep the draw as the favourite from here. If we can get past lunch each over is worth two, one that they don't have to bat and one that the Aussies have to bat to get the runs.

Big job for Stokes, Bairstow and Buttler because there's not a lot after them.

Hi Robbo - something which helps Australia further is that as well as the amount of their runs, they scored them quickly leaving more time in the game than might be expected given a fair chunk has been lost to the weather, particularly on day one. Smith averaged around 4 per over in getting his double ton and set the platform for Starc and Lyon to motor at around a run a ball. Australia's 50+ partnerships for both their eighth and ninth (unbroken) wickets and the run rates to achieve them look increasingly valuable.

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