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Rahkeem Cornwall makes it to West Indies Test squad
He is an all-rounder from the islands of Antigua and is perhaps the heaviest cricketer ever. He stands at a towering height of 6’6” and weighs around 140 kg.
Cornwall made his first-class debut in 2014 and has since become a regular for Leewards Islands, even captaining them earlier this year. He has 260 wickets from 55 first-class matches and finished as the leading bowler in the most recent regional four-day tournament.
Rahkeem Cornwall makes it to West Indies Test squad
He is an all-rounder from the islands of Antigua and is perhaps the heaviest cricketer ever. He stands at a towering height of 6’6” and weighs around 140 kg.
Cornwall made his first-class debut in 2014 and has since become a regular for Leewards Islands, even captaining them earlier this year. He has 260 wickets from 55 first-class matches and finished as the leading bowler in the most recent regional four-day tournament.
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Apparently Holder hasnt been home since they flew to England in June and is now off to the BBL followed by a trip to Bangladesh. Partly his own choice but with pay cuts for west indies cant blame him for taking the franchise cash.
Hope his airmiles at least get him upgraded seats
Hope his airmiles at least get him upgraded seats
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So the Australia/India test series starts in the early hours of tomorrow morning...Aussies without Warner and some issues at opener to fix, otherwise look good to win another home series to me.
India still refusing to pick Pant over Saha is just bananas to me, and Gill is very unlucky to miss out this first test, albeit would imagine he comes in for Kohli when he returns home for the birth of his child. India going with three seamers and one spinner...feels to me like we've seen how this goes in Australia. Struggle to see anything bar a convincing home win
India still refusing to pick Pant over Saha is just bananas to me, and Gill is very unlucky to miss out this first test, albeit would imagine he comes in for Kohli when he returns home for the birth of his child. India going with three seamers and one spinner...feels to me like we've seen how this goes in Australia. Struggle to see anything bar a convincing home win
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Yeah looks like a conservative selection for India, and one based on trying not to lose? Loads of batting depth. Saw the stats on spinners who aren't Lyon in Australia over recent years Ashwin will have his work cut out! But given his seniority and them not having a stand out seamer who could bat 8 left out of the team its an understandable pick.
Aus as usual relying on some superstars to paper over the makeweights. Big opportunities for the openers if they can make an impact, but Aus were already struggling for a number 2 and whoever gets in will be 3rd 4th choice!
Most of the Indians have had a better warm up than would be normal for this sort of tour which is a positive for them. But agree you have to back Aus at home, especially with Kholi departing which could really knock India.
Aus as usual relying on some superstars to paper over the makeweights. Big opportunities for the openers if they can make an impact, but Aus were already struggling for a number 2 and whoever gets in will be 3rd 4th choice!
Most of the Indians have had a better warm up than would be normal for this sort of tour which is a positive for them. But agree you have to back Aus at home, especially with Kholi departing which could really knock India.
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Guys, I've set up a slightly more simplified tipping comp for this series if you are interested.
https://www.606v2.com/t69882-australia-v-india-test-series-tipping-competition
No need to rush with selections just yet.... about 16 hours to go until first ball bowled.
Hope you can join!
(I'll also send out PM's to the usual culprits)
https://www.606v2.com/t69882-australia-v-india-test-series-tipping-competition
No need to rush with selections just yet.... about 16 hours to go until first ball bowled.
Hope you can join!
(I'll also send out PM's to the usual culprits)
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Well I'd always say any half-decent Australian team automatically starts favourite at home ; so they have to be fancied here - especially given their record with the pink ball in Adelaide.
But : on this occasion the batting order is in a bit of disarray , with Warner missing and the opening pair looking a bit dodgy ...and Smith copping a (hopefully minor) injury at training : so it is certainly possible for this handy Indian pace attack to cause some damage. And if they were able to knock Australia over cheaply I think they probably have the batting to cash in on a chance. So not going to call this one in advance.
With Kohli off home after this I guess it would be best for the series if India were to cause a surprise here..would set up quite a contest.
Don't think the Aussies will be contemplating the interests of any neutral watchers though ...
But : on this occasion the batting order is in a bit of disarray , with Warner missing and the opening pair looking a bit dodgy ...and Smith copping a (hopefully minor) injury at training : so it is certainly possible for this handy Indian pace attack to cause some damage. And if they were able to knock Australia over cheaply I think they probably have the batting to cash in on a chance. So not going to call this one in advance.
With Kohli off home after this I guess it would be best for the series if India were to cause a surprise here..would set up quite a contest.
Don't think the Aussies will be contemplating the interests of any neutral watchers though ...
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Yes, I'm by no means as confident as Olly and Goose above. I think Australia have a fair degree of fragility about their top order in particular.
A couple of early wickets (either batting first or not) and it could get very ugly. We're going to have to rely heavily on our bowling if that's the case. Not easy in Adelaide if the Indians get a firm hold and look set to grind it out with their batting.
A couple of early wickets (either batting first or not) and it could get very ugly. We're going to have to rely heavily on our bowling if that's the case. Not easy in Adelaide if the Indians get a firm hold and look set to grind it out with their batting.
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Australia by a country mile in this series. First test is a day-nighter, which Australia are rapidly becoming specialists at. Remaining three tests the Indians are without Kohli, which is a huge loss.
Australia have the better pace bowlers, better spinner, better batting strength overall, and the monumental advantage of playing at home - granted India won the last series in Australia but that was an anomaly. There may be some queries about Australia's batting stability with Warner missing and a couple of out-of-form players in the side, but any team with Smith and Labuschagne is strong enough to ride it out. Think Travis Head will have a good series, too, if he's in the XI.
Australia will win the first test, India will give up, and Australia will advance fairly to a 4-0 series win. Best price 6/1 that.
Australia have the better pace bowlers, better spinner, better batting strength overall, and the monumental advantage of playing at home - granted India won the last series in Australia but that was an anomaly. There may be some queries about Australia's batting stability with Warner missing and a couple of out-of-form players in the side, but any team with Smith and Labuschagne is strong enough to ride it out. Think Travis Head will have a good series, too, if he's in the XI.
Australia will win the first test, India will give up, and Australia will advance fairly to a 4-0 series win. Best price 6/1 that.
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Well I hope it isn't as one sided as you are predicting , Duty ! Whitewash series can be a bit boring even for supporters of the winning team so I am hoping for a good contest.
Aussies off to a flying start anyway as Starc strikes second ball
Lovely bit of bowling , too good for Shaw...
Aussies off to a flying start anyway as Starc strikes second ball
Lovely bit of bowling , too good for Shaw...
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Starc bowling beautifully here...already forced an edge from Pujara that just fell short of slip and squared Agarwal up once : all in two overs.
Batting not looking like fun at present
Looks a nice day for cricket anyway...sunshine , spectators : everything good as long as I keep the mute button handy with Warne on Comms ...
Batting not looking like fun at present
Looks a nice day for cricket anyway...sunshine , spectators : everything good as long as I keep the mute button handy with Warne on Comms ...
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25/1 after twelve...India will be relieved to have survived that first hour without further damage : was testing stuff early on. But both Pujara and Agarwal have played pretty solidly and we might see a few more strokes now.
Or , of course , we might see more wickets
Or , of course , we might see more wickets
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Still tough going for India...Agarwal castled by Cummins just as they appeared to have weathered the storm and at 32/2 after twenty the innings is perhaps in some danger of going nowhere slowly.
Best pair at the crease now so we will see...
Best pair at the crease now so we will see...
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First session very much Australia , especially as the ball didn't hoop around corners. But India will at least be glad to get through to the interval with only two down - and to be honest faith in their opening pair probably wasn't sky high anyway. Over rate the usual snail pace 25 overs due to four fast bowlers and no Lyon so far...might be some overtime later.
About to resume at 41/2. Key session perhaps as India won't want to go into the "twilight" hours after supper with too many down...
About to resume at 41/2. Key session perhaps as India won't want to go into the "twilight" hours after supper with too many down...
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A few scares since the break as bat-pad pop ups just elude catching , but on to 60/2 now with Lyon just introduced.
Pujara looks to want to get after him immediately and took a risk or two that over...
Run rate at less than two per over is partly a tribute to some very disciplined bowling , and also to an uncharacteristically slow outfield...some quite well struck shots have pulled up short of the boundary.
Game of patience on both sides at present.
Pujara looks to want to get after him immediately and took a risk or two that over...
Run rate at less than two per over is partly a tribute to some very disciplined bowling , and also to an uncharacteristically slow outfield...some quite well struck shots have pulled up short of the boundary.
Game of patience on both sides at present.
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Warne commentary
Of course he knows his stuff , and occasionally makes insightful points. But all too often it is just talking to fill time...he never learned from Benaud when to keep quiet and let the action unfold.
Early on he declared Paine had dropped Pujara when the ball actually fell some way to the right front of his outstretched gloves. Was of course sure Kohli had gloved one down the leg side to Zpaine despite scant evidence (though to be fair he wasn't the main culprit in talking that one up) . And just now he was certain a possible bat pad to silly point was actually straight off the bat...TV replay revealed it was straight off the pad - bat was several inches behind and not in the picture ...
Glad he's not umpiring
Lyon is bowling very well , and definitely troubling Pujara. But he's hanging in . 79/2 off 44 and even if Lyon bowls a lot more we are in for a late finish...
Of course he knows his stuff , and occasionally makes insightful points. But all too often it is just talking to fill time...he never learned from Benaud when to keep quiet and let the action unfold.
Early on he declared Paine had dropped Pujara when the ball actually fell some way to the right front of his outstretched gloves. Was of course sure Kohli had gloved one down the leg side to Zpaine despite scant evidence (though to be fair he wasn't the main culprit in talking that one up) . And just now he was certain a possible bat pad to silly point was actually straight off the bat...TV replay revealed it was straight off the pad - bat was several inches behind and not in the picture ...
Glad he's not umpiring
Lyon is bowling very well , and definitely troubling Pujara. But he's hanging in . 79/2 off 44 and even if Lyon bowls a lot more we are in for a late finish...
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Well Lyon got his man eventually...though he needed a Drs to confirm the bat-pad.
101/3 now after 50 overs , nearly two sessions in... Sort of 1960s scoring rate combined with 21st Century over rates
Value of Pujara's vigil (43 from 160 balls ) may yet appear in hindsight , depending how the future unfolds...
101/3 now after 50 overs , nearly two sessions in... Sort of 1960s scoring rate combined with 21st Century over rates
Value of Pujara's vigil (43 from 160 balls ) may yet appear in hindsight , depending how the future unfolds...
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100/3 no surprise the openers didnt last long but Pujara and Kholi steadied things. Looking good for me on the tipping competition so far. Not a terrible start for India but another wicket soon and it will look pretty bad.
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Hey Goose...nice of you to join us. How's the weather in your parts ?
I was getting a bit lonely on here
I was getting a bit lonely on here
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Theres clear skies today, and a balmy 7 degrees ...similar to our summer
Couldnt miss the excitement of this blazing batting performance byGeoff Boycott India. Think the best way to describe it so far is "tense".
Couldnt miss the excitement of this blazing batting performance by
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Speeding up since tea...a little. Now 136/3 off 63 so at least better than two per over...
Sun retreating so this session may see the ball move a bit more : except that the over rate is so slow that they may be operating with an old ball for most of it.
Kohli has been quite restrained today (so far) But he has his seemingly inevitable fifty - albeit one of his slowest ever - and it seems clear he is determined to make a mark on this series before he heads for home...India will be willing him to go on from this.
As goose says , "tense" is applicable. Or perhaps "attritional" . But it really hasn't been boring. A contest is surely always better than watching 400/2 on a road...
Sun retreating so this session may see the ball move a bit more : except that the over rate is so slow that they may be operating with an old ball for most of it.
Kohli has been quite restrained today (so far) But he has his seemingly inevitable fifty - albeit one of his slowest ever - and it seems clear he is determined to make a mark on this series before he heads for home...India will be willing him to go on from this.
As goose says , "tense" is applicable. Or perhaps "attritional" . But it really hasn't been boring. A contest is surely always better than watching 400/2 on a road...
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alfie wrote: Or perhaps "attritional" .
That was the word I was looking for but it comes up as a spelling error on here so doubted myself
Sensible approach from India all round, wear the bowlers down, try and cash in a bit in the easiest batting conditions, then hope the lights and new ball dont see a collapse. Suspect the Pujara wicket made Kholi more intent to knuckle down longer than he mightve done, but now another established partnership gives them a chance to build a solid base. With a long batting order India have the chance to make a competitive total now.
Always hard to judge whats good till the opposition has batted of course, but at least India haven't completely folded. Good for Aus that they have plenty of bowling options.
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Yes , India appear to be planning to basically survive day one and hope to cash in tomorrow afternoon...and then of course have a go at Audtralia under lights late on day two. Lovely scheme if it comes off. Trouble is if the new ball messes them up the first innings score might be a bit light...we shall see. Gilchrist suggested earlier on that 250-300 might be a fair score.
Not sure I agree about the "long batting order" ? Ashwin at eight , yes...but then just three rabbits , no ?
Rahane has looked pretty good since he came in. India would love to see these two bat through to the close...
Not sure I agree about the "long batting order" ? Ashwin at eight , yes...but then just three rabbits , no ?
Rahane has looked pretty good since he came in. India would love to see these two bat through to the close...
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alfie wrote:Yes , India appear to be planning to basically survive day one and hope to cash in tomorrow afternoon...and then of course have a go at Audtralia under lights late on day two. Lovely scheme if it comes off. Trouble is if the new ball messes them up the first innings score might be a bit light...we shall see. Gilchrist suggested earlier on that 250-300 might be a fair score.
Not sure I agree about the "long batting order" ? Ashwin at eight , yes...but then just three rabbits , no ?
Rahane has looked pretty good since he came in. India would love to see these two bat through to the close...
I also don't rate Saha's batting, so if the Aussies can knock off one of these two before the new ball, expose a new bat...I think they'd fancy rattling through a couple fairly sharpish.
That brings me onto my first selection gripe of the series...why isn't Pant playing? With a shaky lower order and tail, and if you're looking to bat and bat time...having that attacking wicket keeper batsman at 7 like Pant is surely more preferable to Saha. Saha might be slightly better with the gloves (debatable in Aus I think, Pant's issue like Buttler is more standing up to spin), but not to make it worthwhile putting up with the clear disparity in batting class between the two
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Saha is far better with the gloves, Pant is ordinary to the pacemen as well as being poor to the spinners, not all that convinced his batting is up to much in test cricket either.
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Imagine being 23 years old and the only Indian keeper to score test hundreds in England and Australia but having no ability.Soul Requiem wrote:Saha is far better with the gloves, Pant is ordinary to the pacemen as well as being poor to the spinners, not all that convinced his batting is up to much in test cricket either.
Good job a clown like you isn’t involved in professional sports.
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Tend to agree with Olly about the keepers. OK , Pant may not be a nailed on batting success in Australia but he's a good deal better than Saha , I think.
And tourists in Australian conditions are (probably) better off with a superior bat at seven than a more polished keeper. Arguable , perhaps , but that's based on what I've seen of touring sides over the years. You reallyneed the extra batting depth.
At 179/3 India are probably on top - for now. But the new ball might yet change that...
And tourists in Australian conditions are (probably) better off with a superior bat at seven than a more polished keeper. Arguable , perhaps , but that's based on what I've seen of touring sides over the years. You reallyneed the extra batting depth.
At 179/3 India are probably on top - for now. But the new ball might yet change that...
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Hello to All,
Cricket in times of Corona is lacking the intensity among the followers at least on the Indian side and letting the our players play with rare less attention
On Indian team selection
-I have never liked Prthvi shaw...too loose, too much flair..playing too much on the rise, away from body.
On his good day he can look like Lara.....just that his good days are far & few in between and against mediocre bowling attacks on docile pitches.
I would have preferred Rahul ( not even Gill)
-There is a lot of fan following Pant has and he offers a huge upside....can blow away bowling attacks..
India has gone for safe Saha...very clean glove work and will deliver a doughty 20 to 30 odd
I am OK with Saha at the start of series
-Ashwin is playing because jadeja is unfit...and Jadeja's batting would be missed,
Bowling wise both are equal Ashwin perhaps a better first inning bowler.
Yadav is OK as the 3rd seamer....ahead of Saini & Siraj......although I would have liked to see Shardul Thakurt in the squad and if in the squad in the 11.
He is hugely more talented and more in the shami mould.
-The pitch is a typical Aussie pitch...hard bouncy...not much seam movement after ball loses shine....haven't seamed exaggeratedly under lights either.
But there is spin and bounce and grip....the type that Ashwin would exploit better than jadeja would have in first inning.
Kohli has curbed his natural instincts a LOT and Pujara unfortunately didn't capitalize on his slowly built platform.
Aussie bolwing has been tight..because they have been a bit back of length...but that's why they have created less opportunities also
-15 odd overs to go and India should look at 210 odd for 4 and if they get close to 300ish in first inning...they would have done well & with Rahane looking god and Vihari still to come....I would think they would get to 300ish
With Aus batting 4th my money is already on India
Cricket in times of Corona is lacking the intensity among the followers at least on the Indian side and letting the our players play with rare less attention
On Indian team selection
-I have never liked Prthvi shaw...too loose, too much flair..playing too much on the rise, away from body.
On his good day he can look like Lara.....just that his good days are far & few in between and against mediocre bowling attacks on docile pitches.
I would have preferred Rahul ( not even Gill)
-There is a lot of fan following Pant has and he offers a huge upside....can blow away bowling attacks..
India has gone for safe Saha...very clean glove work and will deliver a doughty 20 to 30 odd
I am OK with Saha at the start of series
-Ashwin is playing because jadeja is unfit...and Jadeja's batting would be missed,
Bowling wise both are equal Ashwin perhaps a better first inning bowler.
Yadav is OK as the 3rd seamer....ahead of Saini & Siraj......although I would have liked to see Shardul Thakurt in the squad and if in the squad in the 11.
He is hugely more talented and more in the shami mould.
-The pitch is a typical Aussie pitch...hard bouncy...not much seam movement after ball loses shine....haven't seamed exaggeratedly under lights either.
But there is spin and bounce and grip....the type that Ashwin would exploit better than jadeja would have in first inning.
Kohli has curbed his natural instincts a LOT and Pujara unfortunately didn't capitalize on his slowly built platform.
Aussie bolwing has been tight..because they have been a bit back of length...but that's why they have created less opportunities also
-15 odd overs to go and India should look at 210 odd for 4 and if they get close to 300ish in first inning...they would have done well & with Rahane looking god and Vihari still to come....I would think they would get to 300ish
With Aus batting 4th my money is already on India
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and I am not at all confident of reaching 300 now ......I jinxed them
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for a 5th bowler who averages 55 with the bat in FC cricket
Green is remarkably quick at nearly 140kph
Green is remarkably quick at nearly 140kph
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alfie wrote:Yes , India appear to be planning to basically survive day one and hope to cash in tomorrow afternoon...and then of course have a go at Audtralia under lights late on day two. Lovely scheme if it comes off. Trouble is if the new ball messes them up the first innings score might be a bit light...we shall see. Gilchrist suggested earlier on that 250-300 might be a fair score.
Not sure I agree about the "long batting order" ? Ashwin at eight , yes...but then just three rabbits , no ?
Rahane has looked pretty good since he came in. India would love to see these two bat through to the close...
6 proper batsman, decent batting keeper and a strong 8 is a long batting order IMO. Id certainly rate Indias 7/8 above Australlia's. Theres very few teams that have significant batting 9 down, England are a bit of a freak in that regard. Usually teams will have a bits and pieces all rounder shoehorned somewhere in the top 7. As noted previously Aus may have solved that problem for themselves after years of Mitchell Marshs if Green can translate his FC returns into tests, early days of course but they must be very excited about him. We see how vital Stokes is to England, and Aus being a team who want to field 2 out and out quicks they really need a fifth bowler who can support the three main seamers.
Wickets were likely with the lights and new ball (although Kholi getting run out is awful), last 10 overs today will be very tricky. Vital for India this pair sees it through if they are to make a solid total.
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with the 2nd new ball the Aussie are pitching a yardish further up...and rewards have come
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Ha. I go away for forty five minutes and the world turns around...suddenly India are one wicket off the hutch door being open...
Have to catch up the highlights later. But India will need some good work from Ashwin and Saha if they're to call this a "good day" now. They'd have surely hoped to finish no worse than five down given the way Kohli and Rahane were playing an hour ago.
Ashwin is looking for runs , I see. Sensible , it suits his game. And only going to be one over short (thanks to the extra half hour - which is pretty much the regular extra half hour these days )
233/6 leaves the game nicely poised for tomorrow
Have to catch up the highlights later. But India will need some good work from Ashwin and Saha if they're to call this a "good day" now. They'd have surely hoped to finish no worse than five down given the way Kohli and Rahane were playing an hour ago.
Ashwin is looking for runs , I see. Sensible , it suits his game. And only going to be one over short (thanks to the extra half hour - which is pretty much the regular extra half hour these days )
233/6 leaves the game nicely poised for tomorrow
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had one of India's big 3 converted to a 100.....we could have been conveniently in driver's seat.
BUT
so often India has been blown away on D1 of tour openers and even that hasn't happened.
250 will be even if Ind gets there.
The way to get ashwin is full and swinging on the 4th/5th stump..
or bang it in to his body and tie him into knot
he has scored but looked edgy
Saha has looked solid....he leaves outside and on the stumps on length letting the ball go over stumps are as good as a top top order bat
BUT
so often India has been blown away on D1 of tour openers and even that hasn't happened.
250 will be even if Ind gets there.
The way to get ashwin is full and swinging on the 4th/5th stump..
or bang it in to his body and tie him into knot
he has scored but looked edgy
Saha has looked solid....he leaves outside and on the stumps on length letting the ball go over stumps are as good as a top top order bat
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Yes , Saha was playing pretty soundly in those last few overs. They'll need him to get going again in the morning as the ball is still newish and an early wicket could bring a rapid fold up. On the other hand the three pace men have had a fairly busy day so if these two bats get through the early overs tomorrow they might yet push the score over 300...which would be decent for India and could put a bit of pressure on an Australian line up that just mightbe a little over
dependant on Smith and Labuschagne.
Will be an interesting day , I think.
dependant on Smith and Labuschagne.
Will be an interesting day , I think.
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I think the Aussies have their noses ahead personally. 6 down, all the main batsmen back in the hutch and nowhere near a commanding total on the board after losing the toss...a good day for them. India lost one too many wickets for their approach, and if they lose one of Saha/Ashwin early tomorrow there's a real chance of being bundled out for something below 300, which batting first in Australia as an overseas team is rarely enough.
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Ah, what a fantastic day of test cricket. A great, enthralling battle between bat and ball, the afternoon in particular where Kohli and Pujara were trying to build the innings, but were frustrated by a slow outfield and tight bowling.
Cummings and Hazlewood, as so often, bowled superbly. Starc a little loose, but always dangerous. Lyon was given far too much respect, in my view, too often he was played as though it were a raging turner. Green didn't excite me, from what I saw, but he's obviously young and has awesome FC stats, so more to come hopefully.
I've got Australia ahead in this position, that run-out turned things in their favour. They should be able to wrap up the Indian innings before the tourists reach 275, then it's a matter of making 350+ to cement their advantage.
Cummings and Hazlewood, as so often, bowled superbly. Starc a little loose, but always dangerous. Lyon was given far too much respect, in my view, too often he was played as though it were a raging turner. Green didn't excite me, from what I saw, but he's obviously young and has awesome FC stats, so more to come hopefully.
I've got Australia ahead in this position, that run-out turned things in their favour. They should be able to wrap up the Indian innings before the tourists reach 275, then it's a matter of making 350+ to cement their advantage.
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Hello people.
I am back, after a while. Test cricket is a relief in these troubled times.
Good day of test cricket, Australia ahead clearly.
Rahane really messed it up with that run-out. Kohli was looking really determined and set. And then on top of it, after running the captain out, Rahane failed to see the day through.
Good but incomplete effort from Pujara, negated the new ball, had a very interesting battle with Lyon and he seemed to be getting on top before the veteran Australian spinner struck back. Even Mayank looked decent before he was done in by Cummins. Vihari couldn't survive the new ball. Ashwin played his shots but didn't look very comfortable, Saha did better than expected, looked reasonably solid.
After Ashwin, there is no real batting left, there is one classic number 11 and 2 other number 11s who can bat 10 at a pinch. So, if Australia can get one of Ashwin and Saha early, then even 250 might be difficult.
Australia's batting lineup is surely missing Warner, but it is long with Starc coming in at 9, and even Hazlewood and Lyon are better than number 11. India haven't yet figured out how to bowl to Smith, and though they had success against Labuschagne early in his currier, since he turned into a Smith clone, the difficulties will be a lot more. So 240-250 will be not enough.
That mad half hour where they lost 3-19, India may find that face decisive.
I am back, after a while. Test cricket is a relief in these troubled times.
Good day of test cricket, Australia ahead clearly.
Rahane really messed it up with that run-out. Kohli was looking really determined and set. And then on top of it, after running the captain out, Rahane failed to see the day through.
Good but incomplete effort from Pujara, negated the new ball, had a very interesting battle with Lyon and he seemed to be getting on top before the veteran Australian spinner struck back. Even Mayank looked decent before he was done in by Cummins. Vihari couldn't survive the new ball. Ashwin played his shots but didn't look very comfortable, Saha did better than expected, looked reasonably solid.
After Ashwin, there is no real batting left, there is one classic number 11 and 2 other number 11s who can bat 10 at a pinch. So, if Australia can get one of Ashwin and Saha early, then even 250 might be difficult.
Australia's batting lineup is surely missing Warner, but it is long with Starc coming in at 9, and even Hazlewood and Lyon are better than number 11. India haven't yet figured out how to bowl to Smith, and though they had success against Labuschagne early in his currier, since he turned into a Smith clone, the difficulties will be a lot more. So 240-250 will be not enough.
That mad half hour where they lost 3-19, India may find that face decisive.
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msp83 wrote:Hello people.
I am back, after a while. Test cricket is a relief in these troubled times.
Good day of test cricket, Australia ahead clearly.
Rahane really messed it up with that run-out. Kohli was looking really determined and set. And then on top of it, after running the captain out, Rahane failed to see the day through.
Good but incomplete effort from Pujara, negated the new ball, had a very interesting battle with Lyon and he seemed to be getting on top before the veteran Australian spinner struck back. Even Mayank looked decent before he was done in by Cummins. Vihari couldn't survive the new ball. Ashwin played his shots but didn't look very comfortable, Saha did better than expected, looked reasonably solid.
After Ashwin, there is no real batting left, there is one classic number 11 and 2 other number 11s who can bat 10 at a pinch. So, if Australia can get one of Ashwin and Saha early, then even 250 might be difficult.
Australia's batting lineup is surely missing Warner, but it is long with Starc coming in at 9, and even Hazlewood and Lyon are better than number 11. India haven't yet figured out how to bowl to Smith, and though they had success against Labuschagne early in his currier, since he turned into a Smith clone, the difficulties will be a lot more. So 240-250 will be not enough.
That mad half hour where they lost 3-19, India may find that face decisive.
Welcome back MSP - hope you're keeping well? The run out the clear turning point of the day as you say.
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Doing alright Olly, under the circumstances...
Yes, that run-out turned the day, and possibly, even the test match. If Unless Ashwin and Saha can produce something special, and Umesh and Shami connect some of those slogs, then Australia may run away with the game tomorrow.
Yes, that run-out turned the day, and possibly, even the test match. If Unless Ashwin and Saha can produce something special, and Umesh and Shami connect some of those slogs, then Australia may run away with the game tomorrow.
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Once again, questionable selections from Kohli. Shaw hasn't really looked the part for some time now, and when his limited overs form wasn't anything to give him any confidence, with a suspect technique and with Gill progressively getting better in practice games and with a seemingly better technique, he should have been given the nod ahead of Shaw up the order. Unless they are thinking of him coming in for Kohli in the next game and batting 4, and Rohit resuming at the top for the 3rd test if Shaw doesn't get his act together by then. As you all know, I am not the greatest fan of Rohit Sharma in test cricket despite his fine home season as test opener last year. I would have prefered Rahul to come in at the top, but can't complain too much as Rahul really invited a deserved drop with his performances and hasn't had much opportunity to earn a recall based on any long format cricket subsequently. He has the experience, the game and the class though, and hopefully, some lessons would have been learned.
As for Pant v Saha, Saha is clearly the better keeper, but that is more so keeping up to spin in helpful conditions. There he's miles ahead of Pant. But his batting is limited in range, even more so in seaming conditions. Pant is best suited to test cricket as a batsman I feel. A different version of Virender Sehwag in that regard. Along with his no-found attempt to not try and smash every ball and be a bit more selective, might work out better in test cricket. With our fast bowlers all being number 11s, you'd need Pant more, particularly as Jadeja, a much improved batsman in the last nearly 3 years not available, and Ashwin not being the batsman that he once was.
As for Pant v Saha, Saha is clearly the better keeper, but that is more so keeping up to spin in helpful conditions. There he's miles ahead of Pant. But his batting is limited in range, even more so in seaming conditions. Pant is best suited to test cricket as a batsman I feel. A different version of Virender Sehwag in that regard. Along with his no-found attempt to not try and smash every ball and be a bit more selective, might work out better in test cricket. With our fast bowlers all being number 11s, you'd need Pant more, particularly as Jadeja, a much improved batsman in the last nearly 3 years not available, and Ashwin not being the batsman that he once was.
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But if Saha can tough it out somehow and take India to 280 290 at least, then he'd have done a decent job and can be regarded to have earned his spot. He does have the temperament, but not quite the range. Can temperament and determination overcome technical limitations? Lets see.
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Agree with the sentiment that it has to be seen as Australias day, and the Kholi wicket was pretty huge. Will say though it may well have come from the new ball under lights shortly after even if he hadnt somehow contrived to get run out. Great fielding or not theres little excuse for it in test cricket when you have two recognised batsmen together and not chasing a game.
Wont take much for Aus to blow the tail away once another wicket falls so 300 looks an ask, old cliche about the next wicket being important. Cant believe the pitch, Indias bowling, and Australia's batting is such that they wouldn't be confident of getting a first innings lead from this position. India certainly arent going to bat them out of the game first up.
Saha vs Pant might partly come down to him batting at 7 rather than 6, but a tough choice either way. If India want to play 5 bowlers it feels they'd have to have Pant, but with 6 proper batsmen they are picking the keeper on keeping.
Openers it would be rough on Shaw to have ditched after just 2 tests for a second time, totally understand why India aren't instituting a revolving door selection policy for another massively inexperienced player. Not sure you can say hes "not looked the part for a long time" when hes only played twice recently and has a test average of 55 when teh selections were made. Would say Indias resources for the future look pretty strong there, but even Agarwal is still at a point of establishing himself as a test bat.
Wont take much for Aus to blow the tail away once another wicket falls so 300 looks an ask, old cliche about the next wicket being important. Cant believe the pitch, Indias bowling, and Australia's batting is such that they wouldn't be confident of getting a first innings lead from this position. India certainly arent going to bat them out of the game first up.
Saha vs Pant might partly come down to him batting at 7 rather than 6, but a tough choice either way. If India want to play 5 bowlers it feels they'd have to have Pant, but with 6 proper batsmen they are picking the keeper on keeping.
Openers it would be rough on Shaw to have ditched after just 2 tests for a second time, totally understand why India aren't instituting a revolving door selection policy for another massively inexperienced player. Not sure you can say hes "not looked the part for a long time" when hes only played twice recently and has a test average of 55 when teh selections were made. Would say Indias resources for the future look pretty strong there, but even Agarwal is still at a point of establishing himself as a test bat.
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Hi msp - a warm welcome back and I look forward to locking horns with you again before long.
I didn't see much of the play but, as you and others have said, the run out was disastrous and potentially so for the match and the series. Rahane added to his reckless stupidity for that by soon after frittering away a review although tbf Vihari was the one most at fault there.
At least you have some runs on the board. I would guess you'll end up with about 270. Probably below par but it keeps you in it.
I didn't see much of the play but, as you and others have said, the run out was disastrous and potentially so for the match and the series. Rahane added to his reckless stupidity for that by soon after frittering away a review although tbf Vihari was the one most at fault there.
At least you have some runs on the board. I would guess you'll end up with about 270. Probably below par but it keeps you in it.
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Shaw pretty much is one for the future. But after his debut against the West Indies, technical issues have crept into his batting and those don't seem to have been fixed. Gill on the other hand, has even more long format success domestically and more importantly, for India A around the world, has recent good form and seems more suited to Australian conditions than Shaw. He was the one with better performances in the practice games as well in comparative terms.
I guess they are seriously considering him for that number 4 position once Kohli leaves, Rohit won't be available until the 3rd test it seems, and Rahul doesn't seem to be in the selectorial frame for the 11.
I guess they are seriously considering him for that number 4 position once Kohli leaves, Rohit won't be available until the 3rd test it seems, and Rahul doesn't seem to be in the selectorial frame for the 11.
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Hi Guildford, was wondering about you, didn't see you around when I returned. Hope all's well...guildfordbat wrote:Hi msp - a warm welcome back and I look forward to locking horns with you again before long.
I didn't see much of the play but, as you and others have said, the run out was disastrous and potentially so for the match and the series. Rahane added to his reckless stupidity for that by soon after frittering away a review although tbf Vihari was the one most at fault there.
At least you have some runs on the board. I would guess you'll end up with about 270. Probably below par but it keeps you in it.
Yes, 270 would keep India in it. But if Saha or Ashwin falls early tomorrow, even 250 may be beyond reach. The ball is still quite new, and in the first hour there should be something for the bowlers. Ashwin has somewhat lost his batting mojo in the last couple of years, Saha is more a number 8 than a 7 with the bat and our quick bowlers don't fancy themselves with the bat much, though Umesh and Shami would like to have some fun with a bit of old fashioned slogging. So everything clicks, then 270, but it is unlikely...
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Took about 20 minutes for Australia to wrap up the innings. Ashwin done by a beautiful delivery from Cummings, and Saha played a woeful shot to a wide one from Starc. The tail didn't last long either.
Batting conditions overhead look perfect, so it seems Australia are in a pretty promising position.
Batting conditions overhead look perfect, so it seems Australia are in a pretty promising position.
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Not surprisingly, India didn't make it pass 250. The end was rather swift, Ashwin getting a good one early on, Saha playing a pathetic shot, and the bowlers not hanging around much.
Australia making a slow start, but has seen the opening spell from Bumrah through. Kohli, in a surprising decision that I don't agree with at all, brought Umesh on to partner Bumrah with the new ball. I rate Shami even over Bumrah with the new ball, and could have understood it had Bumrah come first change, but Umesh is not really your new ball bowler. The right combo would have been Shami and Bumrah, Shami's on now but hasn't been able to break through either. Burns and Wade have had their difficult moments, but they are still out there, and for Australia, like India, the expectations are rather low from the opening combo, so this should be already considered a pretty decent start, though they have only 13 on the board.
India will have to now hope that the ball would do things under lights and give them an opening back into the game, else, its all going to be a very, very long wait...
Australia making a slow start, but has seen the opening spell from Bumrah through. Kohli, in a surprising decision that I don't agree with at all, brought Umesh on to partner Bumrah with the new ball. I rate Shami even over Bumrah with the new ball, and could have understood it had Bumrah come first change, but Umesh is not really your new ball bowler. The right combo would have been Shami and Bumrah, Shami's on now but hasn't been able to break through either. Burns and Wade have had their difficult moments, but they are still out there, and for Australia, like India, the expectations are rather low from the opening combo, so this should be already considered a pretty decent start, though they have only 13 on the board.
India will have to now hope that the ball would do things under lights and give them an opening back into the game, else, its all going to be a very, very long wait...
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Shami making them play a lot more than Umesh and even Bumrah did. But I have a feeling that the new ball is already wasted. Burns didn't know where his next run would come from and is lucky to be playing this game even, and Wade may not have really contemplated opening the innings in tests for Australia in the many scenarios in which he would have seen a possible comeback! And yet, they have already done a pretty decent job, helped on by Kohli's stupid decision at the start of the India bowling innings!
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Has to say Wade is getting a bit of a peppering, really putting his body on the line for his country!
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India might like to pay me to not leave the TV view while they are batting..l
Yesterday watched every ball until they were 179/3 . Went off for a brief errand and returned to find them 210/6. Under my watchful gaze , Saha and Ashwin made it safely to stumps. But I didn't get home this afternoon until the rest of the innings had imploded and the Australian openers had reached 14/0. . .
Of course I have already taken a wicket now
Yesterday watched every ball until they were 179/3 . Went off for a brief errand and returned to find them 210/6. Under my watchful gaze , Saha and Ashwin made it safely to stumps. But I didn't get home this afternoon until the rest of the innings had imploded and the Australian openers had reached 14/0. . .
Of course I have already taken a wicket now
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And India needed that. Opinions seem to differ about tactics and bowling but certainly they will have wanted to get at Labuschagne sooner rather then later. Think he and Smith really are central to this Australian reply (if the others all make big runs India are cooked anyway) so they need to grab one or both cheaply to remain in this match.
Nearly had Manus then ! Tough chance for Saha ...probably a bit too tough, low and wide. But encouraging for Bumrah.
Nearly had Manus then ! Tough chance for Saha ...probably a bit too tough, low and wide. But encouraging for Bumrah.
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