2019 General Election

by Duty281 Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:40 pm

First topic message reminder :

Now it's confirmed for December 12th (pretty much), I thought we should have a shiny new thread for the fourth and final UK GE of this tumultuous decade; a decade which has also included three referendums and four (maybe five) different Prime Ministers.

News this morning that Amber Rudd won't be defending her seat. Oh well.

Opinion polls currently have the Tories in a double digit lead, but it's anticipated to be a lot tighter than that by the time we reach the actual polling day.

by TRUSSMAN66 Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:57 pm

Scotland is a remain Country...It's easy to be pragmatic when you are preaching to the choir..

by super_realist Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:07 pm

Level headed? Are you mad. You don't have the displeasure of hearing her on a daily basis. They are as bad as the Brexit party for being a one motion party. Everything, and I mean everything comes back to their absolute obsession with Independence regardless of whether Scotland will be better off as a result. The slightest change in UK politics and this disgusting woman is on the front foot like a snarling dog barking for Independence.

I don't call that level headed, I call that the rantings of a madwoman and their agenda is blinkered and cynical.

You might think that she's better than the other people, but that's a bit like arguing who has the best STD. When the leaders of the parties in this country are so wretched, it's best to give none of them any credit.

by Duty281 Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:32 pm

Duty281 wrote:
lostinwales wrote:It's interesting to see how the newly independents do. I'd be very surprised if Grieve didn't hold on to his seat, and suspect Gauke may also.

Will expect both of those to lose their seats by comfortable margins. Independents always struggle against party machines.

Polling for those constituencies has come out. Tories lead Grieve by 53-36 and they lead Gauke by 50-16 (Gauke also trails Labour).

Nationally, the marginal trend is continuing towards Labour, but we’re still in majority Tory territory.

by McLaren Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:57 pm

super_realist wrote:that's a bit like arguing who has the best STD

It is better to at least have the chance of getting an STD

by **superflyweight** Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:29 pm

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:that's a bit like arguing who has the best STD

It is better to at least have the chance of getting an STD

Don't let anyone tell you that rubbing one's hampton until it's red raw is not an STD.

by TightHEAD Mon Dec 02, 2019 1:36 pm

Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:40 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English? picard

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:46 pm

So young brave Jack Merritt's Dad asks for him not to be used as a Political pawn......and the racist Oaf's first move is to make him a Pawn..

Anyone surprised ??

Filth !!

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:53 pm

Johnson blames a Labour government of 10 years ago for a terrorist attack that happened last week.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Dec 02, 2019 2:59 pm

Pr4wn wrote:Johnson blames a Labour government of 10 years ago for a terrorist attack that happened last week.

And?

Pretend for a minute that not everyone is on social media etc - could you supply a link for his comment, please? I want to see context and actual words.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:03 pm

He wrote a Daily Mail comment piece. Google it

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:04 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:So young brave Jack Merritt's Dad asks for him not to be used as a Political pawn......and the racist Oaf's first move is to make him a Pawn..

Anyone surprised ??

Filth !!

Racist oaf? Are you talking about Johnson or Corbyn?

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:07 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Sturgeon tries to score a goal by using Trident as a way to save massive amounts of money. Replacing Trident costs 200bn over thirty years, that's only about £100 per person per year, hardly loads of money compared to what we spend on welfare is it?
How about she thinks of ways to get more people less dependent on benefits?

by LordDowlais Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:30 pm

Nicola Sturgeon is making a career on the passion of people being patriotic to their country and is giving no though on how to do anything if she gets what she is demanding.

If she has her way, then she will lead Scotland over the edge of a cliff.

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:35 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Johnson blames a Labour government of 10 years ago for a terrorist attack that happened last week.
And?

Pretend for a minute that not everyone is on social media etc - could you supply a link for his comment, please? I want to see context and actual words.

I don't use social media at all but have a rudimentary command of the internet. I'm sure you do too.

by TightHEAD Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:53 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil. thumbsup

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 3:57 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

She certainly plays on and is grateful for the innate hatred of the English that is prevalent in Scotland's working class and underclass. She might skillfully maneuver around it whilst on TV, but she knows that it exists and she clearly targets their support by using words like "betrayal" when talking about Westminster

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:02 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:10 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

There's no hate in his post at all. What are you on about?

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:16 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:He wrote a Daily Mail comment piece. Google it

Nope. Can't find a specific column by BoJo on this. A mention by that piece of work, Patel, and some mention of a 2008 change re. release on license etc. Maybe me, but if someone wants to comment on something, it would help if they made it easy to do so

.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:17 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:Johnson blames a Labour government of 10 years ago for a terrorist attack that happened last week.
And?

Pretend for a minute that not everyone is on social media etc - could you supply a link for his comment, please? I want to see context and actual words.

I don't use social media at all but have a rudimentary command of the internet. I'm sure you do too.

Indeed. Humour me - post a link to make it easy.

by Duty281 Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:18 pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742411/BORIS-JOHNSON-end-early-release-terrorists-violent-offenders.html

This article here, I think.

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:21 pm

I’m surprised. I’ll have a gander for you. Arguably it’s about as incumbent on them as it is you, but it really doesn’t matter either way.

2019 General Election - Page 16 7d19ea10

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:22 pm

Worth a watch:

https://youtu.be/unRetPJYmsA

(Don't be afraid to click on it, it's Lewis Goodall reporting from Surrey on the possibility of the Lib Debs taking seats from the Conservatives - I promise!)

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:25 pm

Duty281 wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7742411/BORIS-JOHNSON-end-early-release-terrorists-violent-offenders.html

This article here, I think.

Ta. If so, can't really see why the need for the hyperventilation, or the biased conclusion of Prawn (actually, I can see where the latter came from). He doesn't specifically blame a Labour Government as far as I can see. TBH, if we want to blame a Labour Government for this atrocity, how about we go back a bit further to that utter pr!ck, Bliar?

by **navyblueshorts** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:27 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I’m surprised. I’ll have a gander for you. Arguably it’s about as incumbent on them as it is you, but it really doesn’t matter either way.

Ta - must be my Google search terms.

It's not as incumbent on me at all. If someone (TRUSS, Prawn etc) want to make random statements with a clear message (and bias), it's on them to cite their evidence. Yeah, I can go look, but it's not me making the point.

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:42 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I’m surprised. I’ll have a gander for you. Arguably it’s about as incumbent on them as it is you, but it really doesn’t matter either way.

Ta - must be my Google search terms.

It's not as incumbent on me at all. If someone (TRUSS, Prawn etc) want to make random statements with a clear message (and bias), it's on them to cite their evidence. Yeah, I can go look, but it's not me making the point.

Help me out here, Truss. I just want people to be polite. Goodwill for all folk etc

by **Dolphin Ziggler** Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:49 pm

My indignation is the politicising and quite clearly suggesting it’s stuff he’d fix cos others are weak. Think the police would shiver hearing that number again, whilst he blames the hung parliament for things like this not having been changed in law. And he blames the hung parliament on people blocking Brexit, which is a disgusting lie and also a disgusting tactic to make this part of the Brexit story. I haven’t read further than that, it made me sad.

They don’t need to reference, it’s just a forum, just a conversation. If you can’t find it, you can ask politely if someone can link it for you as you’re interested. If they’re rude then more fool them. It’s worked well with me and ol’ Duty there Hug

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:57 pm

Why do you keep editing my posts....Crap isn't offensive...

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:05 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I’m surprised. I’ll have a gander for you. Arguably it’s about as incumbent on them as it is you, but it really doesn’t matter either way.

Ta - must be my Google search terms.

It's not as incumbent on me at all. If someone (TRUSS, Prawn etc) want to make random statements with a clear message (and bias), it's on them to cite their evidence. Yeah, I can go look, but it's not me making the point.

Great post Navy...A1...You are a peachy guy... thumbsup

by **superflyweight** Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:14 pm

TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why do you keep editing my posts....Crap isn't offensive...

Let Pr4wn edit this thread...

Where's the evidence that Navy's editing the thread? Link please?

Where's the evidence that I'm not Navy and editing this comment. Link please?

Where's the evidence that Navy is not simply constipated and his sitting on his toilet shouting "LINK PLEASE?"

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:19 pm

superflyweight wrote:
TRUSSMAN66 wrote:Why do you keep editing my posts....Crap isn't offensive...

Let Pr4wn edit this thread...

Where's the evidence that Navy's editing the thread? Link please?

Where's the evidence that I'm not Navy and editing this comment. Link please?

Where's the evidence that Navy is not simply constipated and his sitting on his toilet shouting "LINK PLEASE?"

The last sentence is offensive.....I demand "satisfaction" !! 2019 General Election - Page 16 3559488474

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:24 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Dolphin Ziggler wrote:I’m surprised. I’ll have a gander for you. Arguably it’s about as incumbent on them as it is you, but it really doesn’t matter either way.

Ta - must be my Google search terms.

It's not as incumbent on me at all. If someone (TRUSS, Prawn etc) want to make random statements with a clear message (and bias), it's on them to cite their evidence. Yeah, I can go look, but it's not me making the point.

The statement clearly wasn't random, was it? Honestly, every post you make on here is full to the brim with bile and contempt for other posters. I understand if I'm called a hypocrite for that but at least I at least try to address the points of others. If you don't happen to agree with something I've posted, do a little research and present a counter-argument like an adult instead of expecting others to do it for you. This is a comment and opinion site, not a flaming medical journal.

And of course I'm bloody biased. It's an opinion and I'm more than entitled to be.

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:27 pm

He only asked for your source. No need to go off the deep end.

If you're going to make a claim without evidence, he's well within his rights to reject it. If you're going to state an opinion then structure it as such, rather than as a matter of fact.

Fair enough?

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:38 pm

super_realist wrote:He only asked for your source. No need to go off the deep end.

If you're going to make a claim without evidence, he's well within his rights to reject it. If you're going to state an opinion then structure it as such, rather than as a matter of fact.

Fair enough?

No it isn't.. raspberry

...........I see Trumpy will be hitting these shores soon....

Johnson doesn't want an endorsement for obvious reasons...Let's see if Big Baby can keep his mouth shut...

Bet he can't..

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:40 pm

He never can. [Citation needed]

by TightHEAD Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:57 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

please explain?

I'm not the one trying to break up the union, maybe we (Britain) should all have a vote on it. But she would never ask for that as Scotland would be given their independence and then people would realise that the SNP are useless and she wouldn't have the power she craves. She appeals to small minded Scots with a chip on their shoulders.

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:01 pm

The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:04 pm

Pr4wn wrote:The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

You have clearly not had to put up with the SNP.
The SNP are the most bitter, most small minded, most intolerant party you could ever see.

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:06 pm

super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

You have clearly not had to put up with the SNP.
The SNP are the most bitter, most small minded, most intolerant party you could ever see.

Case in point.

by **Afro** Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:07 pm

Please stop talking about chips.

I'm starving now furious

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:09 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

You have clearly not had to put up with the SNP.
The SNP are the most bitter, most small minded, most intolerant party you could ever see.

Case in point.

What a bloody baby you are.

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:09 pm

TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

please explain?

I'm not the one trying to break up the union, maybe we (Britain) should all have a vote on it. But she would never ask for that as Scotland would be given their independence and then people would realise that the SNP are useless and she wouldn't have the power she craves. She appeals to small minded Scots with a chip on their shoulders.

Let's see if I've got this right: the SNP want independence from the United Kingdom, but their leader secretly doesn't? Headscratch

by TightHEAD Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:12 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
Let's see if I've got this right: the SNP want independence from the United Kingdom, but their leader secretly doesn't?

Shes a clever Lassie. Braveheart

Knows how to hold onto power too.

by LordDowlais Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:30 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

please explain?

I'm not the one trying to break up the union, maybe we (Britain) should all have a vote on it. But she would never ask for that as Scotland would be given their independence and then people would realise that the SNP are useless and she wouldn't have the power she craves. She appeals to small minded Scots with a chip on their shoulders.

Let's see if I've got this right: the SNP want independence from the United Kingdom, but their leader secretly doesn't?

Yep, I see it that way too.

She is making a living off the underlying hatred for the English, which if we can all be honest, is there, or the passion of being independent, yet as never offered any solutions to the problems that would arise with independence. She is totally blagging her way through life by whipping up a frenzy within the Scottish population.

She is being asked about currency and borders, but she is constantly avoiding the answers. She is blaming Westminster for everything. She is baying to the mob.

If Scotland got their independence, then I would bet my house that she would not put herself forward to be prime minister of Scotland. She has made her money, she would see it as job done, now let some one else sort it all out.

By not getting independence, she gets to keep her job as leader of the SNP. Which to be honest is a spiteful parochial party, along the same lines as Plaid Cymru.

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:33 pm

Still waiting on the very best reason for independence from Caledonian Craig, so far his best effort is Windrush

by TRUSSMAN66 Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:39 pm

Survation the closest pollster at 2017..

Con 42
Lab 33
Lib 11
Brex 3
Green 4

Calculated into seats...

Con 337
Lab 231
Lib 12

Majority 24..

The Lib Dems struggling is helping the Tories....

by **Pr4wn** Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:52 pm

super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

You have clearly not had to put up with the SNP.
The SNP are the most bitter, most small minded, most intolerant party you could ever see.

Case in point.

What a bloody baby you are.

You honestly don't see the irony? Are you serious?

by Luckless Pedestrian Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:55 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Sturgeon on the BBC preaching her hatred of the English and Trident once again!

When will she go away?

Hatred of the English?

Yes that is correct. Her face is full of hate whenever she mentions us, Nationalist politics are small minded and evil.

Considering she is not standing for election to Westminster why are we subjected to her nasty views?

You seem to have a lot more hate than her, chum.

please explain?

I'm not the one trying to break up the union, maybe we (Britain) should all have a vote on it. But she would never ask for that as Scotland would be given their independence and then people would realise that the SNP are useless and she wouldn't have the power she craves. She appeals to small minded Scots with a chip on their shoulders.

Let's see if I've got this right: the SNP want independence from the United Kingdom, but their leader secretly doesn't?

Yep, I see it that way too.

She is making a living off the underlying hatred for the English, which if we can all be honest, is there, or the passion of being independent, yet as never offered any solutions to the problems that would arise with independence. She is totally blagging her way through life by whipping up a frenzy within the Scottish population.

She is being asked about currency and borders, but she is constantly avoiding the answers. She is blaming Westminster for everything. She is baying to the mob.

If Scotland got their independence, then I would bet my house that she would not put herself forward to be prime minister of Scotland. She has made her money, she would see it as job done, now let some one else sort it all out.

By not getting independence, she gets to keep her job as leader of the SNP. Which to be honest is a spiteful parochial party, along the same lines as Plaid Cymru.

I'm not going to speak for the SNP, but I object to this, Dowlais.

by super_realist Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:57 pm

Pr4wn wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Pr4wn wrote:The language you're using is that of someone with the biggest of chips on their shoulder.

You have clearly not had to put up with the SNP.
The SNP are the most bitter, most small minded, most intolerant party you could ever see.

Case in point.

What a bloody baby you are.

You honestly don't see the irony? Are you serious?

I see that you see that any opposition to the repulsive SNP is seen as anger, but as you don't know anyone who is making a crisiticm of that party and that the tone of a comment is often hard to convey or understand in print then who really cares how you see it?
For the record I do hate the SNP, but I don't necessarily see that any posts made about the SNP on these pages have been made in a hateful way.
Critisicim doesn't necessarily equal hate, sorry that you can only see it one way.

The original claim was that Sturgeon was "level headed" it doesn't follow that showing this isn't true is in any way fuelled by hate. Describing someone as a rabid dog isn't necessarily a description which can be related to hate, rather a description of how the SNP behave with their mad insistence of independence being shoehorned into every argument.

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