Refreshed side

First topic message reminder :

So a few comments I've lifted from the guardian from Eddie Jones. Pretty much as you'd expect in terms of looking ahead to the next challenge.
“I tell you what happens to teams – they evolve,” Jones said. “Some guys will lose desire, some guys will lose fitness, some guys will get injuries and there’ll be young guys come through. So this team is finished now. There will be a new team made. We’ll make a new team for the Six Nations and that new team for the Six Nations will be the basis of going to the next World Cup.'

Apparently the team at the weekend is the youngest to appear in a WC final so there won't be 15 new guys coming in but clearly a few are coming to the end. Are there particular areas or players jones will be looking at?

For me this bunch stand a decent chance in and around the squad to get more caps soon. Genge, Painter, Willis, Dombrandt, Smith, spencer, Robson and a outside chance of Mullins at full back.

Guys that are all young enough to be around for years to come but all with great potential. Perhaps not as good/proven as some who will step back but hugely talented.

Gooseberry wrote:Bath were the other team consistently called out for breaking the cap prior to the last few years Tighthead. Funny how you didn't have a problem with it then.

I did have a problem with it, but thanks for making stuff up. You should work for the Daily Mail.

We could put out a team of amateurs. Corinthian spirit and all that. I don't think they'd do very well.

lostinwales wrote:We could put out a team of amateurs. Corinthian spirit and all that. I don't think they'd do very well.

There really is no need, plenty of honest hard working players not taking the piss that are available to pull on the Red Rose with pride.

.

Lets cut out the rottern core of the team and build something new and honest.
This is the time to do it, let these mercenaries runaway to France to earn a quick buck.

king_carlos wrote:My favourite cheese is Vacherin. Not the cheapest or easiest to find in the UK but a wonderful body to it and goes so simply with some nice toast and hint of honey.

Where do you get it from?

I'm a Roquefort man myself.

I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

TightHEAD wrote:I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

Unlike Bath....

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:My favourite cheese is Vacherin. Not the cheapest or easiest to find in the UK but a wonderful body to it and goes so simply with some nice toast and hint of honey.

Where do you get it from?

Being a chef by trade usually order a cheeky couple of kilos through our wholesalers around Xmas time for a treat.

Good cheese shops usually stock some though. IJ Mellis in Edinburgh is an excellent example of that.

My advice would be to spend a bit more on the bigger boxes though. Personal experience of the smaller boxes is that the rind is thicker and you're paying for that weight sadly. It's a washed rind so it is edible but not got much flavour.

Mont d'or from France is the more common Vacherin found in the UK but the Swiss Mont d'or is fantastic as well.

lostinwales wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

Unlike Bath....

Rugby is not all about winning, Sarries lost sight of that and have destroyed our sports reputation. No better than a cheap corrupt soccer team.

1.Captain Redbeard Rum
2.Private Baldrick
3.King Richard IV
4.General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
5.Lieutenant George
6.Nursie
7.Captain Blackadder
8.Dr Samuel Johnson

9.Queenie
10.Lord Flashheart

11.Captain Darling
12.Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
13.Prince Regent George
14.Lord Percy Percy
15.Bob

lostinwales wrote:We could put out a team of amateurs. Corinthian spirit and all that. I don't think they'd do very well.

Yes like the good old days were they just played for an envelope full of cash and a job for their wife that came with a free house

Gooseberry wrote:

lostinwales wrote:We could put out a team of amateurs. Corinthian spirit and all that. I don't think they'd do very well.

Yes like the good old days were they just played for an envelope full of cash and a job for their wife that came with a free house

hearsay!

Never happened.

king_carlos wrote:1.Captain Redbeard Rum
2.Private Baldrick
3.King Richard IV
4.General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
5.Lieutenant George
6.Nursie
7.Captain Blackadder
8.Dr Samuel Johnson

9.Queenie
10.Lord Flashheart

11.Captain Darling
12.Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
13.Prince Regent George
14.Lord Percy Percy
15.Bob

I suspect (excluding Prince B) that Blackadder would see himself as a 10. Now Flasheart always struck me as a Dayglo sort and would fit in at 8 - though perhaps he would want to be a bit closer to Bobbbbbbb

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:1.Captain Redbeard Rum
2.Private Baldrick
3.King Richard IV
4.General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
5.Lieutenant George
6.Nursie
7.Captain Blackadder
8.Dr Samuel Johnson

9.Queenie
10.Lord Flashheart

11.Captain Darling
12.Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
13.Prince Regent George
14.Lord Percy Percy
15.Bob

I suspect (excluding Prince B) that Blackadder would see himself as a 10. Now Flasheart always struck me as a Dayglo sort and would fit in at 8 - though perhaps he would want to be a bit closer to Bobbbbbbb

I guess Flasheart could make a good 13 as well. He'd have the showmanship required for BOD style passes to himself.

Perhaps Flasheart to 13, Buttler Blackadder at 10, Captain Blackadder at 7. Means dropping the Prince Regent but I have selected three Hugh Lauries currently...

So we're discounting saracens and bath players as they are both a set of cheats. Makes things more challenging.
Has hersh been moderated off the bbc sites by the way?

Bath are no longer over the salary cap, they were given a warning but got their house in order, unlike Sarries who continued to break rules year after year.

Why worry about the facts though when on a personal vendetta!

They're cheats. Let it go tight head.

i wonder what beshocked thinks of it all...

Not that I'm stalking him but hes taking it quite well from his bbc comments.

No 7&1/2 wrote:Not that I'm stalking him but hes taking it quite well from his bbc comments.

Have Sarries confirmed that they'll be loaning out their first team squad?

No 7&1/2 wrote:They're cheats. Let it go tight head.

Who?

Name and shame the players, coaches and officials responsible.

I suspect they are no longer there to be honest.

From beshocked? I know he pretended to be in the know but I dont think he did hiring and firing!

All the bath team. All staff. The ones still there too. All in on it. I agree with you th no sarries or bath players.

No 7&1/2 wrote:All the bath team. All staff. The ones still there too. All in on it. I agree with you th no sarries or bath players.

So you don't know then.

Owned.

Yup. Everyone. Just told you. They all know bath are cheats. I agree with you completely.

1.Ed
2.Tim Messenger
3.PC Danny Butterman
4.Frank Butterman
5.Simon Skinner
6.PC Doris Thatcher
7.Yvonne
8.Andy Knightley

9.Liz
10.Sgt Nicholas Angel

11.Dianne
12.DS Wainwright
13.DC Cartright
14.David
15.Peter Page

king_carlos wrote:1.Ed
2.Tim Messenger
3.PC Danny Butterman
4.Frank Butterman
5.Simon Skinner
6.PC Doris Thatcher
7.Yvonne
8.Andy Knightley

9.Liz
10.Sgt Nicholas Angel

11.Dianne
12.DS Wainwright
13.DC Cartright
14.David
15.Peter Page

Not sure, Gary King feels more like a 10.

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:1.Ed
2.Tim Messenger
3.PC Danny Butterman
4.Frank Butterman
5.Simon Skinner
6.PC Doris Thatcher
7.Yvonne
8.Andy Knightley

9.Liz
10.Sgt Nicholas Angel

11.Dianne
12.DS Wainwright
13.DC Cartright
14.David
15.Peter Page

Not sure, Gary King feels more like a 10.

I feel at fault for forcing Wainwright and Cartright into the centre together. Maybe Sgt Angel at 12 organising the defence and Gary King at 10 in the Finn Russell role.

I'll up my game for the next one. This guff is no more off topic that the rest of what's been posted in the last 2 hours.

Must admit the thought of Peter Page trying to field a high ball is pretty amusing. Even then he may be better than Daly

LondonTiger wrote:Must admit the thought of Peter Page trying to field a high ball is pretty amusing. Even then he may be better than Daly

Having Daffs on the right wing is a bit rubbish though. He simply wouldn't put in the effort. I would be more inclined to put Saxon on the wing, Steven Prince in at 15 and have Pete (pre-bite) at 8. He looks like a wrecking ball of a player

No 7&1/2 wrote:Not that I'm stalking him but hes taking it quite well from his bbc comments.

Has he, as promised now he has seen proof, admitted that they have cheated?
Has he used the word "cheats"?
I need to know. (But can't be arsed to go look for myself)

king_carlos wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:My favourite cheese is Vacherin. Not the cheapest or easiest to find in the UK but a wonderful body to it and goes so simply with some nice toast and hint of honey.

Where do you get it from?

Being a chef by trade usually order a cheeky couple of kilos through our wholesalers around Xmas time for a treat.

Good cheese shops usually stock some though. IJ Mellis in Edinburgh is an excellent example of that.

My advice would be to spend a bit more on the bigger boxes though. Personal experience of the smaller boxes is that the rind is thicker and you're paying for that weight sadly. It's a washed rind so it is edible but not got much flavour.

Mont d'or from France is the more common Vacherin found in the UK but the Swiss Mont d'or is fantastic as well.

This is my favourite post in months

I love cheese so will hunt some down.

Cheers king

carpet baboon wrote:

king_carlos wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:My favourite cheese is Vacherin. Not the cheapest or easiest to find in the UK but a wonderful body to it and goes so simply with some nice toast and hint of honey.

Where do you get it from?

Being a chef by trade usually order a cheeky couple of kilos through our wholesalers around Xmas time for a treat.

Good cheese shops usually stock some though. IJ Mellis in Edinburgh is an excellent example of that.

My advice would be to spend a bit more on the bigger boxes though. Personal experience of the smaller boxes is that the rind is thicker and you're paying for that weight sadly. It's a washed rind so it is edible but not got much flavour.

Mont d'or from France is the more common Vacherin found in the UK but the Swiss Mont d'or is fantastic as well.

This is my favourite post in months

I love cheese so will hunt some down.

Cheers king

I concur best post and best cheese too...

from article in telegraph. england stars to stay with Sarries after Jones and Gatland say England and Lions selection not an issue for established players even if they play in the Championship...

result for England and those players i would say. less good for up-and-comers at Saracens as they wont get the chance to showcase in the Championship.

"Saracens are confident of keeping hold of their frontline England stars despite their forthcoming relegation from the Premiership after holding crisis talks with Eddie Jones and Warren Gatland.

Both England head coach Jones and British and Irish Lions boss Gatland have told Saracens that they will continue select their proven performers such as Owen Farrell, Maro Itoje and the Vunipola brothers even though the club will be playing in the Championship next season following their punishment for breaching the salary cap.

“I think the international players had a very clear view on what they wanted to do, all of them,” Mark McCall, the Saracens director of rugby, said. “Luckily enough that coincided with what we wanted as well. I think Eddie is on the whole happy to select players who are established, Warren Gatland the same.”

Boss Nass
R2D2
Jabba
Chewbacca
Mace Windu
Dart Maul
Han Solo
Darth Vader

Yoda
Palpatine
Rey
Bobba Fett
Lando
Leia
Luke

Well effectively in the championship Saracens can rest most of their players.

Id be amazed if a few of them werent loaned out for a season to give them a bit of competitive rugby.

king_carlos wrote:

LondonTiger wrote:

king_carlos wrote:1.Captain Redbeard Rum
2.Private Baldrick
3.King Richard IV
4.General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett
5.Lieutenant George
6.Nursie
7.Captain Blackadder
8.Dr Samuel Johnson

9.Queenie
10.Lord Flashheart

11.Captain Darling
12.Prince Ludwig the Indestructible
13.Prince Regent George
14.Lord Percy Percy
15.Bob

I suspect (excluding Prince B) that Blackadder would see himself as a 10. Now Flasheart always struck me as a Dayglo sort and would fit in at 8 - though perhaps he would want to be a bit closer to Bobbbbbbb

I guess Flasheart could make a good 13 as well. He'd have the showmanship required for BOD style passes to himself.

Perhaps Flasheart to 13, Buttler Blackadder at 10, Captain Blackadder at 7. Means dropping the Prince Regent but I have selected three Hugh Lauries currently...

Blackadder was a lock before he started his coaching career

TightHEAD wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

Unlike Bath....

Rugby is not all about winning, Sarries lost sight of that and have destroyed our sports reputation. No better than a cheap corrupt soccer team.

As i've said on another thread, I'd rather English club and International rugby spent the next 10 years rebuilding integrity and trust, losing everything, than take one 6N or WC fielding cheats and the corrupt system that has facilitated the cheating.

Khouli Khan wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

Unlike Bath....

Rugby is not all about winning, Sarries lost sight of that and have destroyed our sports reputation. No better than a cheap corrupt soccer team.

As i've said on another thread, I'd rather English club and International rugby spent the next 10 years rebuilding integrity and trust, losing everything, than take one 6N or WC fielding cheats and the corrupt system that has facilitated the cheating.

Of course you would, I suppose we'll ignore the 27 squad members who don't play for Sarries.

Soul Requiem wrote:

Khouli Khan wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

TightHEAD wrote:I like a good honest cheese myself, Sarries players and fans need not apply.

A good Somerset Cheddar is unbeatable.

Unlike Bath....

Rugby is not all about winning, Sarries lost sight of that and have destroyed our sports reputation. No better than a cheap corrupt soccer team.

As i've said on another thread, I'd rather English club and International rugby spent the next 10 years rebuilding integrity and trust, losing everything, than take one 6N or WC fielding cheats and the corrupt system that has facilitated the cheating.

Of course you would, I suppose we'll ignore the 27 squad members who don't play for Sarries.

I would actually. I said without the cheats, and without a corrupt system.

There are plenty of young players out there who don't play for Saracens and who could fill their positions within the club and international game. It might be that with those replacements, English rugby hits a relative low for a long period of time, but at least it would be clean and the other '27' can either take it or leave it.

You'd have to prove they're cheats first which you seem unable to do.

Soul Requiem wrote:You'd have to prove they're cheats first which you seem unable to do.

I probably wont have to pretty soon. Perhaps you should report me for libel in the meantime

https://www.606v2.com/t69391-england-6-nations-thread

Just in cased anyone wants to talk about on pitch matters.

Khouli Khan wrote:

Soul Requiem wrote:You'd have to prove they're cheats first which you seem unable to do.

I probably wont have to pretty soon. Perhaps you should report me for libel in the meantime

Editing your own posts I see, good work.

i love England's recent success built around the core of Saracens players, with Saracens ex-players like Borthwick on the coaching staff

couldnt care less what their club plays them

it shows the benefit to england of having a core group of players together. if that means you have to breach the salary cap, then the salary cap needs to be re-thought. fact.

quinsforever wrote:i love England's recent success built around the core of Saracens players, with Saracens ex-players like Borthwick on the coaching staff

couldnt care less what their club plays them

it shows the benefit to england of having a core group of players together. if that means you have to breach the salary cap, then the salary cap needs to be re-thought. fact.

Exactly, when it comes to international rugby I don't really care what happens at club level. As long as they players perform when called up that's all that matters.

Soul Requiem wrote:

Exactly, when it comes to international rugby I don't really care what happens at club level. As long as they players perform when called up that's all that matters.

Without clubs there would be no international players. Unbelievable attitude, clearly not a rugby fan.