Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

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"It is not mandatory for the team receiving the challenge to face it."

How many effing times. If they don't face it up silently and respectfully they get massive media criticism.

No they don't!

This is getting crazy!

[Davie]

In defence of Boris he doesn't do monkey chants which is a step way to far.

There IS no defence for Boris and his remarks

[Be_the_ball]

In defence of Boris he doesn't do monkey chants which is a step way to far.
I'm come across a few 'golf pros'who have struggled with issues.One local guy committed suicide and another decent pro few years on ET messed up with the drink.Flawed genius just watching a prog about Tommy  Cooper and he did like a drink .

I had a few lessons with the late Wayne Westner. He had a very sad end. I would hate to play golf for a living, it would drive anyone to drink or more.

[beninho]

When tommy robinson and katie hopkins declare support for the tory party, along with members of the edl. You have to accept, the party is attractive to tge racists. The immigration blame was played out during the election, again an attempt to play to certain people who dont like immigrants. The recent stormzy issue, with the blatent misrepresentation of his words, and the online abuse he has been getting. And the number of posts ive seen of people being abused just for not being white British.

Racism is a society issue, and its being focused from the leader of the country and his advisors.

Football just shows up the problems.

[super_realist]

Stormzy ( terrible name) is just another pointless celebrity whose opinions we could do without.
Being a celebrity doesn't give your views, regardless of your politics any more credence or sway. If they did, then maybe with all their celebrity lovies, Labour might not have stunk the house out in the last election.

[superflyweight]

Stormzy added to the list of black people that you need to share your contempt for.

[super_realist]

Stormzy added to the list of black people that you need to share your contempt for.  

There's a long list of black AND white people. Don't be like Mac and Beninho by trying to infer I'm being racist when I have an equal number of white people who I have disdain for. You're out of order. Oaf.

[pedro]

Thank God we have a righteous shepherd in the Labour party when it comes to racism.

[beninho]

Is there anything worse then people complaining about celebraties having opinions, while also making people aware of their own opinion.

As bad as people who say to sportsmen stick to football/cricket/golf...

[superflyweight]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.

[super_realist]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.  

Get stuffed mate. If you are going to make a ridiculous assertion of racism where there is none, be prepared to be called out why your comment is stupid.
Stick to WWE or whatever it is you usually do.

[super_realist]

Is there anything worse then people complaining about celebraties having opinions, while also making people aware of their own opinion.

As bad as people who say to sportsmen stick to football/cricket/golf...

I'm not trying to influence people as is the case with people who try to cash in on their fame when expressing an opinion, I'm merely expressing an opinion and don't care whether you agree or not, it's called a discussion. If you cant see the difference that's your problem.

[superflyweight]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.  

Get stuffed mate. If you are going to make a ridiculous assertion of racism where there is none, be prepared to be called out why your comment is stupid.
Stick to WWE or whatever it is you usually do.  

There’s no need to get abusive.

[beninho]

So you have no issues with Stormzy having an opinion? You don't have to agree with jis views, but he is entitled to them, and he is entitled to expressing them as he sees fit.

You express yours behind a made up internet name no no-one knows who you are. He expresses his openly.

Yet, you don't like him expressing his opinion.

Just go and do a vossi bop.

[super_realist]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.  

Get stuffed mate. If you are going to make a ridiculous assertion of racism where there is none, be prepared to be called out why your comment is stupid.
Stick to WWE or whatever it is you usually do.  

There’s no need to get abusive.  

Stop making absurd insinuations you can't back up then.
By the way, that's not remotely abusive.

[super_realist]

So you have no issues with Stormzy having an opinion? You don't have to agree with jis views, but he is entitled to them, and he is entitled to expressing them as he sees fit.

You express yours behind a made up internet name no no-one knows who you are. He expresses his openly.

Yet, you don't like him expressing his opinion.

Just go and do a vossi bop.

No people like Stormzy, Hugh Grant, Lily Allen etc have used their fame to try and persuade people how to vote and have their fame as a part of expressing their opinion. That's different from merely expressing an opinion under a pseudonym.

If they want to try to influence people's votes than become a politician, don't use your dubious fame to try to dictate how people vote.

[pedro]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.  

Get stuffed mate. If you are going to make a ridiculous assertion of racism where there is none, be prepared to be called out why your comment is stupid.
Stick to WWE or whatever it is you usually do.  

There’s no need to get abusive.  

It’s a bit ironic when people can’t remember they just used dementia in an abusive context.

[superflyweight]

It’s a bit retarded when people don’t recognise when people are being deliberately ironic.

[Be_the_ball]

Especially when that person spends an inordinate amount of time on an obscure Internet forum acting in a manner that could comfortably be compared to an old man sitting on a bench outside a dementia ward in a hospital swearing at passers-by.  

Get stuffed mate. If you are going to make a ridiculous assertion of racism where there is none, be prepared to be called out why your comment is stupid.
Stick to WWE or whatever it is you usually do.  

There’s no need to get abusive.  

It’s a bit ironic when people can’t remember they just used dementia in an abusive context.

That was meant as a compliment Pedro, only logical explanation for irrational outbursts.

[pedro]

It’s a bit retarded when people don’t recognise when people are being deliberately ironic.  

So it’s perfectly ok to be ironic about dementia, but not, say, racism?

[superflyweight]

Who’s being ironic about dementia or racism? In any event, if used to highlight the absurdity of prejudice then irony in respect of both would be fine.

[beninho]

So you have no issues with Stormzy having an opinion? You don't have to agree with jis views, but he is entitled to them, and he is entitled to expressing them as he sees fit.

You express yours behind a made up internet name no no-one knows who you are. He expresses his openly.

Yet, you don't like him expressing his opinion.

Just go and do a vossi bop.

No people like Stormzy, Hugh Grant, Lily Allen etc have used their fame to try and persuade people how to vote and have their fame as a part of expressing their opinion. That's different from merely expressing an opinion under a pseudonym.

If they want to try to influence people's votes than become a politician, don't use your dubious fame to try to dictate how people vote.

Only politicians can express views and opinions to people?

What an awful world you want to live in.

Oi Stormzy, stop trying to explain and talk to.young black poor kids. Just sing and dance for people.

[westisbest]

Lotta festive love on here today. Must be that time of year

Have a good one all :

Think that about covers it.

[beninho]

Merry Christmas to all. Enjoy yourselves, and spend time with your loved ones. They can be taken away very quickly.

[Be_the_ball]

Merry Christmas indeed all, and a happy new year!

[kwinigolfer]

Merry Christmas to all. Enjoy yourselves, and spend time with your loved ones. They can be taken away very quickly.

Merry Christmas All,
Especially ben as I trust all his furniture fellows will have eaten and drunk to massive excess and stumble from their lofty perch on Boxing Day.

[dynamark]

Best wishes lads and lasses wherever you are in the world .
Cant wait to see the new year resolutions(Ii must be nice to Mac,Super etc)

[super_realist]

Who’s being ironic about dementia or racism?  In any event, if used to highlight the absurdity of prejudice then irony in respect of both would be fine.  

Yet I didn't display any prejudice. So why are you bringing up prejudice into a justified criticism of celebrities broadcasting their political views and urging people to think like they do?

[super_realist]

So you have no issues with Stormzy having an opinion? You don't have to agree with jis views, but he is entitled to them, and he is entitled to expressing them as he sees fit.

You express yours behind a made up internet name no no-one knows who you are. He expresses his openly.

Yet, you don't like him expressing his opinion.

Just go and do a vossi bop.

No people like Stormzy, Hugh Grant, Lily Allen etc have used their fame to try and persuade people how to vote and have their fame as a part of expressing their opinion. That's different from merely expressing an opinion under a pseudonym.

If they want to try to influence people's votes than become a politician, don't use your dubious fame to try to dictate how people vote.

Only politicians can express views and opinions to people?

What an awful world you want to live in.

Oi Stormzy, stop trying to explain and talk to.young black poor kids. Just sing and dance for people.

Why is it that celebrities think they can try to influence how people think or how they vote? That's the point. Your vote is your vote, it is not for people like Storkzy or some other plank to try and persuade you to think and vote how they do. Why can't they mind their own bloody business?

Yes, his "talent" lies in what he calls "music". He has zero expertise in politics, environment etc. Just like people like Emma Thompson, Hugh Grant etc don't. So why don't they stick to what they know, instead of trying to tell us how we should live our lives? So yes, just sing/dance or whatever it is you do to make a living, because that is all they are good at.
Would you accept the views of Storkzy on education, science, engineering, how to put up Ikea furniture? No, because he hasn't got any experience of it, so why would anyone take notice or care what he has to say about politics? You seem to have fallen into the trap that simply because someone is famous, that it means they have credibility on politics and that somehow his view matters more than others. Why? In real terms they are probably more detached from reality than any other part of society. We should in effect be rejecting whatever they say on the basis that they clearly don't know what they are talking about, just as Di Caprio, Greta, Thompson etc don't know what they're talking about.

[beninho]

Happy winterfest realist.

Anyway, in general, I just don't find that it bothers me that stormzy, or any celebrity expresses his or her views on things. I probably find it more annoying that people do get annoyed with it.

Anyway, don't get upset by other peoples views and opinions.

[westisbest]

Agree with Ben, doesn’t seem to be a big deal. Leave them to it and get on with life.

All about the 3 points today

[super_realist]

Happy winterfest realist.

Anyway, in general, I just don't find that it bothers me that stormzy, or any celebrity expresses his or her views on things. I probably find it more annoying that people do get annoyed with it.

Anyway, don't get upset by other peoples views and opinions.

Having a view and expressing it isn't too bad, imploring others to vote and think how you do and using your fame as leverage for that is the disturbing thing. THey know they have influence (unbelievably in the case of Storkzy) so they should probably be a bit more careful about what they say.

[beninho]

Realist, you do love this subject. So, I'll keep biting.

Anyway, what quotes from Stormzy, do you have issues with?

[McLaren]

I love how super is extremely worried about the words of Stromzy but probably doesn't care about the PM's list of public racism.

[super_realist]

Realist, you do love this subject. So, I'll keep biting.

Anyway, what quotes from Stormzy, do you have issues with?

Anything from any celebrity designed to persuade someone to vote the way they do, whether I agree with their point of view or not.
Storkzy and his like aren't just expressing an opinion, they're actively trying to persuade people to think and vote the same way they do, and in a world where your average person is vacillating and stupid, it isn't something which should really be permitted.

If the media during election times are not permitted to promote any party or idea, why are celebrities?

[beninho]

Politicians can say what they want for realist, its non.politicians having an.opinion and expressing it that he hates.

His world view, is people should only listen to politicians. It wpuld make for a god awful world if you ask me. While o hate hopkins and tommy robinson, I accept they have a right to spit bile to gormless followers. They are generally a lot worse then stormzy and the others mentioned.

[super_realist]

Politicians can say what they want for realist, its non.politicians having an.opinion  and expressing it that he hates.

His world view, is people should only listen to politicians. It wpuld make for a god awful world if you ask me. While o hate hopkins and tommy robinson, I accept they have a right to spit bile to gormless followers. They are generally a lot worse then stormzy and the others mentioned.

Where have I said that we should only listen to politicians?
Your standard of comprehension is every bit as bad as Mac's.
I already said that I might well agree with what some "celebrities" are saying, I even said I don't disagree with their right to express an opinion. I object to them using their celebrity to implore idiots who idolise them to vote and think the same way as them. The point being that being a celebrity doesn't mean you know the slightest thing about anything, therefore they should exercise a bit of restraint when trying to get people to vote as they want. Jesus. It wasn't that hard.
Stabbzy actively encouraged people to vote a certain way, that's more than just expressing an opinion.

[beninho]

Stabbzy? And you wonder why people think your not keen on the blacks.

So, now you don't mind them holding some opinions. But when they express why people should vote similar to them you don't like that opinion. Your view is nonsensical. At one point you said if people want to raise an.opinion they should becone politicians.

I also, don't think you've once raisef an issue with newspapers expressing to its readers who they should vote for.

I actually,have no idea where you stand on the issue, you seemall over the shop. So whats ok, and whats no ok, for people to say? And at what point does it get to you, are you fine with hopkins and tommy robinson?

[super_realist]

Stabbzy? And you wonder why people think your not keen on the blacks.

So, now you don't mind them holding some opinions. But when they express why people should vote similar to them you don't like that opinion. Your view is nonsensical. At one point you said if people want to raise an.opinion they should becone politicians.

I also, don't think you've once raisef an issue with newspapers expressing to its readers who they should vote for.

I actually,have no idea where you stand on the issue, you seemall over the shop. So whats ok, and whats no ok, for people to say? And at what point does it get to you, are you fine with hopkins and tommy robinson?

Bloody hell, are you thick? I'm talking about such people actively asking people to vote for specific parties as people like him and Hugh Grant have done, not just expressing their political views. Can you not see the difference?

It's not a case of me "now" being OK with them having an opinion, I always have been, you've just been demonstrably too dense to actually read what I have posted and have jumped to a conclusion without actually reading it.

He wears a stab proof vest. He represents a part of London culture who is fond of a kniving or two. Where's the fishing emoji? If he was so against it, why does he appear to revel in such a culture instead of making much effort to counter it. Funny how you don't seem to hold him to account for his historic homophobia. If someone right wing had said those things you would never forgive them.

Perhaps he'd be better telling people not to stab one another rather than trying to get people to follow his politics, he couldn't do any worse.

[beninho]

I have read everything, I still have no idea where you stand. You've not cleared it up. I'm pretty clear I have no issues at all with people expressing views,campaigning for political parties or telling people who to vote. You, it seems dont like that? But where do you draw the line. Is it just musicians and actors who cant get political, or journalists, media moguls?

I don't hold him to account for anything,why would I? It doesn't bother me,and I'm sure he's explained it all before. I'm a very liberal person.

Still,not sure about your term stabbzy, but again, you can hold your own views on black people.

[super_realist]

I have read everything, I still have no idea where you stand. You've not cleared it up. I'm pretty clear I have no issues at all with people expressing views,campaigning for political parties or telling people who to vote. You, it seems dont like that? But where do you draw the line. Is it just musicians and actors who cant get political, or journalists, media moguls?

I don't hold him to account for anything,why would I? It doesn't bother me,and I'm sure he's explained it all before. I'm a very liberal person.

Still,not sure about your term stabbzy, but again, you can hold your own views on black people.

I have made it clear that there is a difference between expressing a Political view and then on the other hand actually trying to tell people you should vote for a particular party. If you are too thick to see the difference, not my problem.

I presume you weren't aware of Stormzy being a published homophobe?, something I'm sure you'd hold others to account but seem to have excused him for.

There you go again, the use of the name Stabbzy is nothing to do with "black people" it's to with a culture which is primarily London. I don't see the black population of Manchester or Birmingham doing it to such levels, so it's far more to do with location than colour.

[beninho]

I'm fully aware that he tweeted sone homophobic comments 8? Years ago. I'm also very much of the view that people shouldn't be held to things said a long time ago. So therefore, I'm not really bothered by it.

Pleasant of you to call me thick, because I don't hold the same view as you. Charmer. I still don't care that people express views or campaign politically including endorsing a party. Really not bothered with it all. You are, so it's not an issue about thickness its just different opinions. Thouhh I find yours hard to fathom. As I really don't get what it is that bothers someone. Would love you to explain why it bothers you so much?

No idea about your last para, but knife culture and stabbings are unfortunately linked to the predominantly black gangs in certain areas of london. Did you not know that?

[McLaren]

Stabbzy actively encouraged people to vote a certain way, that's more than just expressing an opinion.

You are always asking for examples of racist comments you have made. Here is a very blatant one.

[beninho]

Its not racist, because he was unaware the the gang culture and murders were a problem in the black community. And that calling a black person stabzy cannot therefore be a reference to the black community where stabbings are a big issue.

Nothing to see, at all.

[JAS]

Xmas greetings choppers, hope you all had a fab one. Have to say I’ve had a very white one, massive dump of fine powder snow (over 100cms) Fri, Sat & Sun before I arrived meant that the slopes have been epic. Skiing is progressing well, according to my parter & sons who’ve done Europe extensively Banff blows France etc away in terms of friendliness, choice of terrain etc. So as a first ski trip apparently I’ve been really spoilt.

Can confirm that Banff is a spectacularly beautiful place in winter too, thoroughly recommend it. Here’s one for the eco warriors too....they don’t use grit on the roads in the National park as it’s very environmentally unfriendly. So roads are still a bit tricky to put it mildly .

[Be_the_ball]

Dyna, you asked a little while ago about Northern Ireland and what it was all about and Super replied religion. It was not about religion, at it's very core it was about fear. Implying that there was some theological arguement between the main protagonists is farcical. You have to understand Dyna, that unlike England, Scotland is a deeply sectarian society. The Scottish govt however to its credit is trying to combat it https://www.gov.scot/news/confronting-sectarianism/

[dynamark]

I'm afraid my dementia has kicked in memory wise.I don't pretend to know a fraction of the reason I just saw the atrocious events re ireland - I was in fear of a bomb going into a town centre pub way back .Hopefully the furthest the scots get is a punch up in a pub or at the match.
Ireland problem I know goes way back into history and land and politics.But religious belief surely has a part as it does in stuff all around the world.Religion if closely followed is plain wrong - fairy tales
but I have no problem with people having different ways of life and values please don't try to
force everyone else to do the same .

[pedro]

Btb is in a WUM’ing mood.

[McLaren]

Watch the BBC documentary series called something like spotlight on the Troubles. I found it very interesting, and religious differences did not play as big a part as you would think. They may have played a role in the initial division but so much more was at play. Anyway watch that series, it gives what I thought was a good analysis of what happened.

[Be_the_ball]

I'm afraid my dementia has kicked in memory wise.I don't pretend to know a fraction of the reason I just saw the atrocious events re ireland - I was in fear of a bomb going into a town centre pub way back .Hopefully the furthest the scots get is a punch up in a pub or at the match.
Ireland problem I know goes way back into history and land and politics.But religious belief surely has a part as it does in stuff all around the world.Religion if closely followed is plain wrong - fairy tales
but I have no problem with people having different ways of life and values please don't try to
force everyone else to do the same .

Totally agree Dyna re religion
Fundamentalism and intolerance are plain wrong.
But re Ireland, religion was not a factor as it is in conflicts we see around the world today.

[kwinigolfer]

B_t_b,
It's been a long time now but grievances about adequate proportional representation in Westminster, for all persuasions, was at least part of the reason for problems.
The father of my girlfriend at the start of the Troubles was CMO of Northern Ireland, had to deal with the use of CS gas as well as bullets.
Big house on the Newtonards Road, big waterfront getaway outside Greencastle (lovely golf course there as I understand it) in Donegal where he paid his taxes.
Typical Protestant?
Dunno, but you got the feeling that something wasn't quite right/equitable.
Plenty of grievances to go around and, as has been said, not all about religion (or even the excuse of religion).

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