Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[beninho]

First topic message reminder :

https://officiating.worldrugby.org/?module=3&section=36&subsection=129&language=en

"It is not mandatory for the team receiving the challenge to face it."

How many effing times. If they don't face it up silently and respectfully they get massive media criticism.

No they don't!

This is getting crazy!

[superflyweight]

What is wrong with people? The family of the kid that died after being hit by the American diplomats wife are said to be "outraged" that Boris Johnson has said the chance of extradition are "very low".
Who didn't know this? Would they rather he lied and said she'd be here by the morning? Of course its hard to lose anyone, let alone in this manner, but I really don't see anything wrong with stating that the chances of a successful extradition were always going to be slim. Seemed pretty obvious rather than "outrageous" as they claim his comments to be.

They're grieving.

[kwinigolfer]

What is wrong with people? The family of the kid that died after being hit by the American diplomats wife are said to be "outraged" that Boris Johnson has said the chance of extradition are "very low".
Who didn't know this? Would they rather he lied and said she'd be here by the morning? Of course its hard to lose anyone, let alone in this manner, but I really don't see anything wrong with stating that the chances of a successful extradition were always going to be slim. Seemed pretty obvious rather than "outrageous" as they claim his comments to be.

They're grieving.  

More likely they're being wound up by their "spokesman" "Radd" to false expectations.
Having said which, the extradition arrangement between Britain and the US seems to be very unbalanced in the way it's applied.

[kwinigolfer]

I've used Flybe quite a bit and found them to be adequate. I'm not in favour of the government funding failing businesses, especially when governmental record in transport is so poor, but it does help keep open some useful travel routes which is good for the country and it will also enrage hypocritical environmental pressure groups too and that's priceless.

super,
I agree with your assertion that it's healthy to "keep open some useful travel routes", but surely that should be by subsidy (if necessary) through communities rather than by bailing out an airline?

[superflyweight]

I suspect that what they deem to be "outrageous" is Johnson again running his mouth off and potentially impacting on an ongoing process (not the same set of circumstances but his careless use of language in the Zaghari-Ratcliffe matter had a direct impact in her ongoing imprisonment).  Yes, the possibility of extradition is "very low" but it gives the US State Department a very easy out to know that there will be no meaningful diplomatic pressure and that the UK government has already conceded defeat.

[navyblueshorts]

What is wrong with people? The family of the kid that died after being hit by the American diplomats wife are said to be "outraged" that Boris Johnson has said the chance of extradition are "very low".
Who didn't know this? Would they rather he lied and said she'd be here by the morning? Of course its hard to lose anyone, let alone in this manner, but I really don't see anything wrong with stating that the chances of a successful extradition were always going to be slim. Seemed pretty obvious rather than "outrageous" as they claim his comments to be.

Haven't read comments, but maybe they were 'outraged' at the reasons it's low likelihood, rather than Johnson telling them so?

[super_realist]

What is wrong with people? The family of the kid that died after being hit by the American diplomats wife are said to be "outraged" that Boris Johnson has said the chance of extradition are "very low".
Who didn't know this? Would they rather he lied and said she'd be here by the morning? Of course its hard to lose anyone, let alone in this manner, but I really don't see anything wrong with stating that the chances of a successful extradition were always going to be slim. Seemed pretty obvious rather than "outrageous" as they claim his comments to be.

Haven't read comments, but maybe they were 'outraged' at the reasons it's low likelihood, rather than Johnson telling them so?

Nah, they said his comments were "unhelpful and hurtful"
Its not really Boris' fault either, it's the US. The request for extradition has been submitted, its the US who are making it unlikely to result in the perpetrator facing justice. Very lazy to lay the blame at anyone's door here in the UK.

[navyblueshorts]

It's also the Midlands and the South it is connecting, hardly the Galapogas.

Speaking of connecting in a transport sense, with the Flybe attempted rescue we can see that actually, this government might not be as ultra free market libertarian as I originally feared. I know Johnson tries to sell himself as a one nation Tory to the electorate and something very different to the ERG. Hands up I held the view that he was more aligned to the ERG and the whole one nation thing was a blatant lie...well maybe not after all.

Having said all that, not sure that pumping govt money into Flybe is the way to go, if they’re in trouble, they’re in trouble for a reason. Interesting to note that reducing or scrapping APD is on the agenda.

We'll see, but he was always claimed to be quite libertarian as London Mayor etc wasn't he? Hopefully, he'll be telling the ERG to **** off and that he doesn't need to listen to them very much any more.

[navyblueshorts]

Johnson has always been blatantly a one nation Tory, too many people think Brexit is the only subject to judge him on.

Given that his majority largely came from convincingly repeating ad-infinitum  “Let’s Get Brexit Done”  whilst the other parties were saying “we will reverse Brexit” and “let’s drag it out some more because we need to get it right, once we’ve done that we’ll ask you again what you really really want” then yes, it’s not unreasonable to judge him on it at the expense of most other things because basically the campaign strategy of the Tories was to make the election predominately about a single issue.

That being said I freely admit to initially misjudging his left/right compass, notoriously difficult to judge a serial liar but hey ho.

That's the trouble with politics. Was Johnson's pre-election spin all about acquiring the actual power to do what he really thinks needs doing? Hopefully. Maybe Labour could learn the same things, and that were obviously forgotten from the Blair era.

[McLaren]

What is wrong with people? The family of the kid that died after being hit by the American diplomats wife are said to be "outraged" that Boris Johnson has said the chance of extradition are "very low".
Who didn't know this? Would they rather he lied and said she'd be here by the morning? Of course its hard to lose anyone, let alone in this manner, but I really don't see anything wrong with stating that the chances of a successful extradition were always going to be slim. Seemed pretty obvious rather than "outrageous" as they claim his comments to be.

And if we are being honest the kid was pretty porky.

[dynamark]

Mac been on the sauce again .Well out of order.
Not sure the govt are pumping money into fly be the deal seems to be we will give time to pay the tax bill providing the owners(Stobart virgin hence delta)put money in .
Ive had a few issues with tax over the years and you can usually come to an agreement providing you stick to it.Fly be needs more revenue from fares essentaily although the double tax duty on internal flights is a bit harsh

[super_realist]

Mac been on the sauce again .Well out of order.
Not sure the govt are pumping money into fly be the deal seems to be we will give time to pay the tax bill providing the owners(Stobart virgin hence delta)put money in .
Ive had a few issues with tax over the years and you can usually come to an agreement providing you stick to it.Fly be needs more revenue from fares essentaily although the double tax  duty on internal flights is a bit harsh

Blame the environmental morons and their selective discrinination for that. There's a huge green levy on flights despite it just being 2% of world CO2. Strange they ignore  the CO2 of lots of other industries that pollute a lot more, such as construction.

[Soul Requiem]

Construction is a necessity whereas internal flights are not.

[super_realist]

Construction is a necessity whereas internal flights are not.

Try taking the train from London to Aberdeen or a one and a half hour flight.
You need to take into account all the other things required for foregoing a flight. For example, you'll need a hotel, food, someone has to be employed to clean the room, the sheets have to be washed etc etc.
I would imagine when you add them all together the difference between staying overnight and a simple flight are pretty much the same.

[McLaren]

Why bother going to Aberdeen at all?

[super_realist]

Why bother going to Aberdeen at all?

I know the concept of business is alien to you Mac, but there's lots of businesses in Aberdeen and a great deal of travelling required to and from Aberdeen, just as there is to Edinburgh and Glasgow.
It's very silly to say that internal flights aren't necessary.

[Soul Requiem]

Convenience and necessity are not the same thing.

[super_realist]

Convenience and necessity are not the same thing.

You could say lots of construction wasn't necessary too if you want to go down that route. Instead of using the highly polluting concrete, just build it out of wattle and daub right?

You have to choose the best tool for the job, and rail simply isn't an acceptable alternative to air travel for a lot of routes.
Likewise if you want to build a building to an acceptable standard you require an acceptable building material. There's no getting round it.

The point is that the environmental gestapo are up in arms about the air industry, but completely ignore the damage done by building, data streaming/download/transfer (equal in C02 to air) , clothes manufacture etc. Its the inconsistency and lack of education on their part.

[navyblueshorts]

Wonder what the CO2 contribution of the drinks industry is? All that Coke, Pepsi, lemonade etc, beer. Is it at all significant? Even if not, I hope all those warriors drink only water, and probably only rainwater at that.

[super_realist]

Wonder what the CO2 contribution of the drinks industry is? All that Coke, Pepsi, lemonade etc, beer. Is it at all significant? Even if not, I hope all those warriors drink only water, and probably only rainwater at that.

Excellent point, same with all their "craft beer", funny fags and the massive amount of resources, energy and transportation that is involved in getting them their "avo" sandwiches.

[super_realist]

Just heard that Corbyn in a Skirt Rebecca Long Bailey is leading the Labour Leadership contest among the members.
Boris must be delighted with Labour in self destruction. No one is going to vote for a Corbyn 2.0 in an election, so what's the point in making her leader? They've just lost the most badly they have done for 80 years, and they want to carry on doing the same? Absolute insanity. Even Lisa Nandy would be better if you have to vote a woman for token purposes.

[JAS]

Just heard that Corbyn in a Skirt Rebecca Long Bailey is leading the Labour Leadership contest among the members.
Boris must be delighted with Labour in self destruction. No one is going to vote for a Corbyn 2.0 in an election, so what's the point in making her leader? They've just lost the most badly they have done for 80 years, and they want to carry on doing the same? Absolute insanity. Even Lisa Nandy would be better if you have to vote a woman for token purposes.

Starmer is the obvious choice on so many levels, to elect RLB would be a confirmation of a plot well and truly lost. TBH the memberships leadership selection ability ain’t great Corbyn (I understood the gamble but it didn’t work and it confirmed there is a line somewhere center left beyond which the country just will not go), The wrong Miliband? At the time I thought Brown would have been a better choice than Blair, Smith & Kinnock were probably the right choices, Foot? See Corbyn above. So all in all not great 2-3 of the past 6. This time however the credibility of the party is at stake, to elect a Corbynite after December would be blind lunacy.

[super_realist]

Agree completely JAS. There is no point in Labour being stubborn and spiteful just to placate momentum. Being far left doesn't work, hasn't worked and won't get Labour elected again.
The party faithful simply have to admit that they have to move back towards the centre, if they can't accept this then they need to leave and set up their own party becuae all they are doing is guaranteeing another decade of Tory leadership, and where there isn't a challenge, they can pretty much get away with whatever they like. Labour, even in opposition then are failing the country.

[superflyweight]

Despite not being a consistent Labour voter or supporter I have joined the party so that I can have a vote.  The party needs rescued from clowns like Lansman and McCluskey and others engaging in student politics and the only way to do it is to join and vote (or register and vote).  The country is going to need a strong opposition to keep post-Brexit tories in check.  

Starmer is the only viable candidate at this stage.  He wouldn't have been my first choice had someone like Cooper, Benn or Jarvis run, but the hope is that he will bring people like that back into the core of the party.

[dynamark]

Fly the 3 you mention know they would be wasting their time and effort Starmer is the only choice that may eventually work but he is a very serious individual and may not quite have the personality that sadly is needed these days .
25 notes you could have enjoyed a nice meal and a couple of drinks
If they don't go with Starmer labour are history

[superflyweight]

A nice meal and a couple of drinks for £25 in Edinburgh? McDonalds and a can of lager for the bus home would just about be covered. I joined the party rather than registered as a voter. £4.50 a month (I think) and I can cancel at any time.

I agree that none of the three I mentioned would have a chance, but I'm hopeful that Starmer gently brings the party to the centre ground and that people like Cooper can play a bigger part in the leadership. As an added bonus, Momentum will hopefully b*gger off and create their own unelectable party.

[dynamark]

Ive been to Edinburgh a couple of times didn't find it that pricey.
Interested to see how it turns out with the labour electoral system

[McLaren]

Super

Not sure abortion is a topic that will trouble an incel but have you read about RLB's views on abortion. She is a devout roman catholic and wants to roll back women's reproductive rights. She is apparently keen for the views of the catholic church be heard on this issue and for catholic schools to remain.

https://www.indy100.com/article/rebecca-long-bailey-abortion-limit-pregnancy-disability-catholic-church-9286786

[JAS]

Agree completely JAS. There is no point in Labour being stubborn and spiteful just to placate momentum. Being far left doesn't work, hasn't worked and won't get Labour elected again.
The party faithful simply have to admit that they have to move back towards the centre, if they can't accept this then they need to leave and set up their own party becuae all they are doing is guaranteeing another decade of Tory leadership, and where there isn't a challenge, they can pretty much get away with whatever they like. Labour, even in opposition then are failing the country.

Hasn’t worked = True
Won’t get Labour elected = True
Doesn’t work? Well bit of a guess really, ok doesn’t work in terms of electability so I suppose the rest is a moot point. The main reason it “probably” wouldn’t work is that the vested interests that currently hold the vast majority of power, wealth and influence wouldn’t allow it to, they would bend over backwards to break it.

Labour have to realise that the best they can do is shave down and temper the worst excesses of free market capitalism, that is and should be their accepted role. The fanciful notion that they could ever achieve a satisfactory & fair redistribution of power, wealth and opportunity is just that, I.e. fanciful. Nothing wrong with aspiring to it and working toward it but there has to be an acceptance that they’re never quite going to fully eradicate poverty.

[dynamark]

Interesting isn't it that to get anywhere they need to abandon their true values and pretend to be half moderate,Basically live a lie in a Blair style.
Don't think the core group can do that RLB being a good example.
Just imagine Starmer during the last campaign he knew like Jon Ashworth( who is also a totally repugnant person)that they were doomed to a majpr defeat but had to keep to the script.
Anyway that's that for 5 years

[super_realist]

Super

Not sure abortion is a topic that will trouble an incel  but have you read about RLB's views on abortion. She is a devout roman catholic and wants to roll back women's reproductive rights. She is apparently keen for the views of the catholic church be heard on this issue and for catholic schools to remain.

https://www.indy100.com/article/rebecca-long-bailey-abortion-limit-pregnancy-disability-catholic-church-9286786

As if the prospect of Rebecca Long Bailey being the leader of Labour wasn't funny enough, it now turns out she's a card carrying Catholic. You could not get a worse candidate if you picked a Tory to be Leader of Labour. Who'd have thought RLB could have so much in common with JRM?

My views on abortion Mac are that the only person who ought to have a decision is the woman involved. It is literally none of anyone else's business.

[super_realist]

Agree completely JAS. There is no point in Labour being stubborn and spiteful just to placate momentum. Being far left doesn't work, hasn't worked and won't get Labour elected again.
The party faithful simply have to admit that they have to move back towards the centre, if they can't accept this then they need to leave and set up their own party becuae all they are doing is guaranteeing another decade of Tory leadership, and where there isn't a challenge, they can pretty much get away with whatever they like. Labour, even in opposition then are failing the country.

Hasn’t worked = True
Won’t get Labour elected = True
Doesn’t work? Well bit of a guess really, ok doesn’t work in terms of electability so I suppose the rest is a moot point. The main reason it “probably” wouldn’t work is that the vested interests that currently hold the vast majority of power, wealth and influence wouldn’t allow it to, they would bend over backwards to break it.

Labour have to realise that the best they can do is shave down and temper the worst excesses of free market capitalism, that is and should be their accepted role. The fanciful notion that they could ever achieve a satisfactory & fair redistribution of power, wealth and opportunity is just that, I.e. fanciful. Nothing wrong with aspiring to it and working toward it but there has to be an acceptance that they’re never quite going to fully eradicate poverty.

That's nonsense JAS. The people who are casting votes and were capable of getting the feeble Corbyn into government, spat in his face at his absurd, ludicrous, unworkable policies. It had nothing to do with this fictional all powerful "wealth and influence" you seem to think is hiding behind the curtain and stopping Britain from ever being socialist. It's traditional Labour voters who condemned the millionaire Champagne Socialist Corbyn to the biggest Labour defeat in 80 years. No one wants it and no one is buying it.
Bottom line is that if you're poor under the Tories, you'll still be poor under Labour. People are not fooled by claims to the contrary anymore.

[McLaren]

Thought this was interesting. And wow Tiger was making a lot of money, Phil too at one point.

A video graph of highest paid athletes 1991 to 2019.

https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456119524937729

[pedro]

Thought this was interesting. And wow Tiger was making a lot of money, Phil too at one point.

A video graph of highest paid athletes 1991 to 2019.

https://twitter.com/TheKendallBaker/status/1204456119524937729

No wonder Phil is moving to Florida as well.

[Shotrock]

Mac - Thanks for sharing. That was interesting and quite an eye opener for me. I can't think of any other sport where the disparity in "real" earnings from the top (very) few to the rest (contenders) is greater than in the boxing game.

[super_realist]

Makes you wonder how Tyson managed to spunk that much money.

[Shotrock]

Yes, one does wonder.

[Shotrock]

Also - interesting to me at least - is the lack of marketability of baseball players on a national basis. Mike Trout is arguably the best player in the game today. He's got a massive playing contract, but is hardly sought after as any sort of endorser beyond the market he plays in. Shows just how powerful local market TV contracts are in these United States. Trout recently signed a 12 year, $430 million dollar deal and I guarantee you he could walk the streets of just about any city in the US and likely not be noticed.

[kwinigolfer]

Also - interesting to me at least - is the lack of marketability of baseball players on a national basis. Mike Trout is arguably the best player in the game today. He's got a massive playing contract, but is hardly sought after as any sort of endorser beyond the market he plays in. Shows just how powerful local market TV contracts are in these United States. Trout recently signed a 12 year, $430 million dollar deal and I guarantee you he could walk the streets of just about any city in the US and likely not be noticed.

Possibly excepting Philadelphia?

[pedro]

Makes you wonder how Tyson managed to spunk that much money.

That’s probably the biggest sporting achievements of them all..

[Soul Requiem]

Makes you wonder how Tyson managed to spunk that much money.

That’s probably the biggest sporting achievements of them all..

He seems far happier now without all that money (he's still a multi millionaire).

[super_realist]

Makes you wonder how Tyson managed to spunk that much money.

That’s probably the biggest sporting achievements of them all..

He seems far happier now without all that money (he's still a multi millionaire).

Well, he hasn't r@ped anyone for a while at least.

[pedro]

Makes you wonder how Tyson managed to spunk that much money.

That’s probably the biggest sporting achievements of them all..

He seems far happier now without all that money (he's still a multi millionaire).

Well, he hasn't r@ped anyone for a while at least.

He's busy pursuing a singing career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvzLd26qSLc

[George1507]

Also - interesting to me at least - is the lack of marketability of baseball players on a national basis. Mike Trout is arguably the best player in the game today. He's got a massive playing contract, but is hardly sought after as any sort of endorser beyond the market he plays in. Shows just how powerful local market TV contracts are in these United States. Trout recently signed a 12 year, $430 million dollar deal and I guarantee you he could walk the streets of just about any city in the US and likely not be noticed.

Possibly excepting Philadelphia?

Baseball players tend not to earn massive amounts from endorsements. As the MLB extends its reach, this may change. And the Angels are a bit remote. East coast teams and mid western teams tend to have a bit more fan interest. Baseball is less than 70 years old west of the Mississippi, and the Angels are less than 60, so comparing them and their players' endorsement powers to the Yankees or Orioles or Cubs or Red Sox is a bit of a mismatch.

Also his name isn't great if you are looking to build your brand. Trout drinks Budweiser?

Not sure why people would know him in Philly?

[kwinigolfer]

George,
Apart from the fact that he comes from just south of Philadelphia, is a life-long Phillies fan and hails from the same neck of the woods as Shotrock has migrated to, no reason at all.

[navyblueshorts]

Also - interesting to me at least - is the lack of marketability of baseball players on a national basis. Mike Trout is arguably the best player in the game today. He's got a massive playing contract, but is hardly sought after as any sort of endorser beyond the market he plays in. Shows just how powerful local market TV contracts are in these United States. Trout recently signed a 12 year, $430 million dollar deal and I guarantee you he could walk the streets of just about any city in the US and likely not be noticed.

Read an article on him a while back:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/baseball/48894773

Don't know much about baseball, at all, but the above has some interesting stats of what it means to be outstanding up against his and it's clear he's Other Worldly. Interesting that he's apparently very loyal to the Angels. They must know his worth given that amount of dosh; that's for sure.

[George1507]

George,
Apart from the fact that he comes from just south of Philadelphia, is a life-long Phillies fan and hails from the same neck of the woods as Shotrock has migrated to, no reason at all.

I guess that would do it.

[dynamark]

I love the fact that baseball has a 'world series' and they are the only one in it.
Very entertaining I went to a game in Tampa years back thoroughly enjoyed it.Also
went to Tampa Bay Rowdies soccer with one Rodney Marsh playing very narrow gridiron pitch and continuous music throughout but good night out.

[super_realist]

It's an old story this one Dyna. It stems from there being two leagues and one team challenged the winner of the other to a "World's Championship", later shortened to World Series.

[McLaren]

Super

The British do it with snooker. That is basically just Uk participation with a couple of Chinese guys. Hardly a global sport.

Same for Rugby, it should really be called the Uk and Australia, NZ and SA cup. Most of the world don't care about it.

[super_realist]

Super

The British do it with snooker. That is basically just Uk participation with a couple of Chinese guys. Hardly a global sport.

Same for Rugby, it should really be called the Uk and Australia, NZ and SA cup. Most of the world don't care about it.

Agree Mac, most sports really aren't global at all. Perhaps only Tennis, Football, Golf, Athletics, Boxing etc.
Cricket and Rugby are only played in a fraction of countries to any real level, but probably more countries at a higher level and a higher level of participants than Baseball.

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