Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

[navyblueshorts]

I'm finding it funny seeing Westerners wearing masks around town. I see Asian tourists wearing them all the time, which is stupid enough, but to see the locals wear them is pretty pathetic given that they offer no protection.

Not true. Doesn't protect very well as not face-fitted and infection via eyes not covered. Better than nothing though. PHE is recommending they're worn if someone is isolating etc - are they wrong?
Anyway, suspect many simply infect themselves via fingers through mediocre hand hygiene.

Super

How do you know those wearing the masks are not just doing the decent thing for the greater good and protecting others in case they themselves have contracted the virus? Not everyone is a selfish as you.

Mac, if you have a contagious disease a responsible person would stay at home and "self isolate". The "selfish" thing as you suggest is to go out if you think you have it.

I'm finding it funny seeing Westerners wearing masks around town. I see Asian tourists wearing them all the time, which is stupid enough, but to see the locals wear them is pretty pathetic given that they offer no protection.

What, you mean NIOSH-approved N95 particulate-filtering respirator masks? How much background research have you done this time to come to the conclusion that yet another sub group are stupid and pathetic?

I don’t think they’re stupid even though as a 56 year old asthmatic I’m in a slightly elevated risk group I won’t be rushing out to buy one.  Of course the really smart people would have went and got a hold of some serious capital a month or 2 ago and ploughed it into mask manufacturer shares, did you do that?

Did I mention the specific type of mask?  I'm talking about flimsy things which are no better than a dental mask which have inch wide gaps around the sides.

Nice try...

[super_realist]

I'm finding it funny seeing Westerners wearing masks around town. I see Asian tourists wearing them all the time, which is stupid enough, but to see the locals wear them is pretty pathetic given that they offer no protection.

Not true. Doesn't protect very well as not face-fitted and infection via eyes not covered. Better than nothing though. PHE is recommending they're worn if someone is isolating etc - are they wrong?
Anyway, suspect many simply infect themselves via fingers through mediocre hand hygiene.

Super

How do you know those wearing the masks are not just doing the decent thing for the greater good and protecting others in case they themselves have contracted the virus? Not everyone is a selfish as you.

Mac, if you have a contagious disease a responsible person would stay at home and "self isolate". The "selfish" thing as you suggest is to go out if you think you have it.

I'm finding it funny seeing Westerners wearing masks around town. I see Asian tourists wearing them all the time, which is stupid enough, but to see the locals wear them is pretty pathetic given that they offer no protection.

What, you mean NIOSH-approved N95 particulate-filtering respirator masks? How much background research have you done this time to come to the conclusion that yet another sub group are stupid and pathetic?

I don’t think they’re stupid even though as a 56 year old asthmatic I’m in a slightly elevated risk group I won’t be rushing out to buy one.  Of course the really smart people would have went and got a hold of some serious capital a month or 2 ago and ploughed it into mask manufacturer shares, did you do that?

Did I mention the specific type of mask?  I'm talking about flimsy things which are no better than a dental mask which have inch wide gaps around the sides.

Nice try...

You might want to look at the adverts that were banned for making claims about protection from and spreading of Coronavirus.

[super_realist]

I'm finding it funny seeing Westerners wearing masks around town. I see Asian tourists wearing them all the time, which is stupid enough, but to see the locals wear them is pretty pathetic given that they offer no protection.

What, you mean NIOSH-approved N95 particulate-filtering respirator masks? How much background research have you done this time to come to the conclusion that yet another sub group are stupid and pathetic?

I don’t think they’re stupid even though as a 56 year old asthmatic I’m in a slightly elevated risk group I won’t be rushing out to buy one.  Of course the really smart people would have went and got a hold of some serious capital a month or 2 ago and ploughed it into mask manufacturer shares, did you do that?

Did I mention the specific type of mask?  I'm talking about flimsy things which are no better than a dental mask which have inch wide gaps around the sides.

No you didn’t you just spouted off without the least bit of research to back up your assertion

No, you just assumed I was talking about masks that were like gasmasks. I've not seen anyone wearing them.

[super_realist]

Happy World Obesity day everyone.

[McLaren]

For you Super.

Sexy Lady:

[JAS]

Looks like from a huge variety of starters it’s down to 2 for the Democrats in the US. Combined age of over 150. Similar in age and completely different in policy. Which one in reality stands the best chance of beating Trump? Corporate America with all its influence will no doubt buy Biden into the box seat. That in itself should make everyone vote for Bernie and then do the same again in November.

[kwinigolfer]

Bernie is unelectable, JAS.

And Biden should be.

What an awful "choice".

Whoever runs vs Drumpf, the combined age wil be 150+.

[JAS]

Bernie is unelectable, JAS.

And Biden should be.

What an awful "choice".

Whoever runs vs Drumpf, the combined age wil be 150+.

“Bernie is unelectable”. Curious to know Kwini.... Too antiestablishment? Too many skeletons in cupboard? Too many enemies? America not now/not ever ready for Socialism?

[Shotrock]

JAS - As an American, I'll chime in here ... there is NO WAY Bernie could move the moderate republican base. His socialistic tendencies are abhorred by most in the center. His latest nail in the coffin is his nod to Cuba and the "good things" Castro did for the citizens. Try winning Florida with that point of view.

[kwinigolfer]

Yup, Slightly different take to Sr:

But, his record is very extensively documented, 40 years of archived material, all in the public domain, including major changes on some core issues, support from the NRA, etc.
And he's no clue on how to pay for some of his campaign promises
"Socialism" is a brand for Republican, just a "Liberal" is, though neither tends to mean what we would define those terms as, and Bernie is hardly what we might call a socialist.
Plus his wife has a recent track record of very dodgy financial irregularities with a small college here in BTV - and the bloke with the biggest yank about it is a right-wing republican activist who has already been to court on the issue.

I never understand why Cuba & Castro (at least compared to other countries/dictators) are such dirty words here, but they are especially, as Sr says, in Florida where "Cuba" is yuuuuuge.

[JAS]

Thanks Kwini & SR...so for the suggested reasons I posed then basically all of the above. That then begs the question then... how did he get this far?

[Shotrock]

I do, Kwin.

It's very personal for many Cuban Americans. A close friend of the family (my wife's best friend in College) was exiled from Cuba in the 60's. They feel extremely betrayed by Castro and are very thankful for their immigration opportunity to the US.

[JAS]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

[Shotrock]

JAS - Free College and Medicare for All are mighty enticing to a very large % of the US population. Now paying for that ... hmmm ...

[kwinigolfer]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

[Shotrock]

I have no idea Kwin.

Cuba would be wise to get some of that nasty, imperialistic US tourist $. I suppose you can still only visit in "support of the Cuban people" or for "education" purposes.

[JAS]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

[kwinigolfer]

I have no idea Kwin.

Cuba would be wise to get some of that nasty, imperialistic US tourist $. I suppose you can still only visit in "support of the Cuban people" or for "education" purposes.

Several of my family members have done that, often via third party countries (Canada, Bahamas, Mexico, etc) - fortunately our other US Senator is at the forefront of facilitating a few M of those imperialistic $'s to head to Havana, etc.

[kwinigolfer]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Probably because Drumpf doesn't have the vocabulary (or understanding of the real issues) to do it, but plenty of his acolytes will try to do the job for him.

And, talking of "Corporate Backers", I see Bloomberg has thrown his hat into Biden's ring - Biden's campaign certainly needs the cash.

[McLaren]

JAS - Free College and Medicare for All are mighty enticing to a very large % of the US population. Now paying for that ... hmmm ...

The cool thing about those sort of policies is that they pretty much end up paying for themselves in the long run.

[Soul Requiem]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Are you for real?

Politics is far more of a pantomime over in America than it is here.

[JAS]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Are you for real?

Politics is far more of a pantomime over in America than it is here.

Ya think?

No it’s not, it’s much more straightforward, ours is much more of a pantomime.

Serious question, given that you’ve got the same initials, are you Super Realist in disguise? An alter ego on days when you fancy just being somebody else?

[JAS]

Also, Soul, apologies if you answered and I’ve just missed it but you were asked somewhere on here the other day  about your golf, where you played, frequency, handicap etc but nothing came back which tends to make people think either
1. You’re a doppelgänger and you haven’t fully fleshed out all your alter egos characteristics yet or..
2. You’re an extremely private person and don’t want to discuss (which would then make people think - why are you here?) Or...
3. You don’t actually play golf, you just like to troll around the internet looking for things to try and insult to make you feel better about yourself or...
4. You just haven’t got round to telling us about your golf yet

Which one is it?

[Soul Requiem]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Are you for real?

Politics is far more of a pantomime over in America than it is here.

Ya think?

No it’s not, it’s much more straightforward, ours is much more of a pantomime.

Serious question, given that you’ve got the same initials, are you Super Realist in disguise? An alter ego on days when you fancy just being somebody else?

More straight forward in the sense it's a binary choice but their politicians have to put up with more vitriol than ours do. The fact we're thousands of miles away make it seem more laid back because every little thing that Trump does or that Sanders does isn't reported here but over there it sure as hell is. Compare the leadership race for Labour with the carnival going on at the moment and you're honestly saying it's better over there?

It's a free world is it not, I can discuss what I wish where I wish regardless of sport.

[McLaren]

Jas

I am quite surprised you think American politics is discussed without polarizing stupidity? You must never have tried to follow any of it.

[JAS]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Are you for real?

Politics is far more of a pantomime over in America than it is here.

Ya think?

No it’s not, it’s much more straightforward, ours is much more of a pantomime.

Serious question, given that you’ve got the same initials, are you Super Realist in disguise? An alter ego on days when you fancy just being somebody else?

More straight forward in the sense it's a binary choice but their politicians have to put up with more vitriol than ours do. The fact we're thousands of miles away make it seem more laid back because every little thing that Trump does or that Sanders does isn't reported here but over there it sure as hell is. Compare the leadership race for Labour with the carnival going on at the moment and you're honestly saying it's better over there?

It's a free world is it not, I can discuss what I wish where I wish regardless of sport.

Of course you can SR, as can we all. You asked earlier if I was for real, I was just trying to check if you were.

As for American politicians having to put up with more vitriol than ours...eh no. Show me evidence of any American politician (even Trump) being subjected to what Corbyn and Abbot were subjected to in the last 2-3 years

[Soul Requiem]

Corbyn and Abbott have had it worse than Trump? Right of course they have, you seem to basing your opinion on the british media and nothing more.

[JAS]

Jas

I am quite surprised you think American politics is discussed without polarizing stupidity? You must never have tried to follow any of it.

I meant on these boards Mac insofar as I could have a conversation with Kwini & Shotrock and I suspect we have differing political views. Contrasted with the turgid frustration of trying to debate U.K. politics with the likes of Super.

[kwinigolfer]

R Soul,

I don't know what you read, but the Drumpf presidency has been a huge success as it operates as a Trojan Horse for right-wing policies and legislation, now and for generations to come.

Perhaps such aspects don't make your headlines, but citizen rights that most British/Irish residents would find extraordinarily intolerant (of people, the environment, foreign policy, any sense of income equality) are being enforced or will be for decades unless there's some sort of revolution.

[McLaren]

Jas

I am quite surprised you think American politics is discussed without polarizing stupidity? You must never have tried to follow any of it.

I meant on these boards Mac insofar as I could have a conversation with Kwini &  Shotrock and I suspect we have differing political views. Contrasted with the turgid frustration of trying to debate U.K. politics with the likes of Super.

Ahh, I see. Yes on here UK Politics brings out the weirdest in super and dyna.

[pedro]

R Soul,

I don't know what you read, but the Drumpf presidency has been a huge success as it operates as a Trojan Horse for right-wing policies and legislation, now and for generations to come.

Perhaps such aspects don't make your headlines, but citizen rights that most British/Irish residents would find extraordinarily intolerant (of people, the environment, foreign policy, any sense of income equality) are being enforced or will be for decades unless there's some sort of revolution.

Dunno if it’s a Trojan Horse. It’s pretty obvious isn’t it? I also think we can agree that Trump isn’t an ideologist, he’ll just do whatever it takes to keep him in power.

[kwinigolfer]

Well, Let's just say that these are things that he doesn't make much of a fuss about, sometimes lies about and will continue to be instrumental in ensuring a massive transfer of wealth.
Make the rich richer, ensure the poor are poorer and deny basic human rights.
But he won't be using that lot as debating points . . . . . . . .

[super_realist]

Terrible day for Labour yesterday, usual inept, misinformed and feeble effort from Steptoe at PMQ's but RLB's toe curling performance on Andrew Neil really left the door wide open for Starmer, who despite his refusal to admit he would have to move to the centre didn't do too bad a job overall.

[super_realist]

I would hazard a guess that with Bidens corporate backers...if Sanders does pip him to the nomination, would then switch to backing Trump in November?

I doubt it - though they might stay at home rather than support Bernie, as thousands of Sandernistas did in 2016, feeling that the DNC had undercut Bernie's campaign in favour of Hillary.


Sr,
I get all that, but why do Americans apparently have such a long memory over Cuba and not a dozen or two other nationalities?
(My lad was on the first US Airline flight from FLA to Cuba - very interesting experience for him!)

Interesting that characters in the US election can be discussed and differing views exchanged without the polarising stupidity that we descend to over here with our politicians (and yes I admit to succumbing to it a bit, just a bit though, myself). You’d think that with a 2 party system the US would be more polarised than it is. I know Sanders is as left (allegedly) as any presidential candidate has been in as long as I can remember and I know the US has considerable disdain for lefty thinking so I’m a bit surprised the character assassination hasn’t been as vitriolic as we had over here or has it not really started yet?

Are you for real?

Politics is far more of a pantomime over in America than it is here.

Ya think?

No it’s not, it’s much more straightforward, ours is much more of a pantomime.

Serious question, given that you’ve got the same initials, are you Super Realist in disguise? An alter ego on days when you fancy just being somebody else?

More straight forward in the sense it's a binary choice but their politicians have to put up with more vitriol than ours do. The fact we're thousands of miles away make it seem more laid back because every little thing that Trump does or that Sanders does isn't reported here but over there it sure as hell is. Compare the leadership race for Labour with the carnival going on at the moment and you're honestly saying it's better over there?

It's a free world is it not, I can discuss what I wish where I wish regardless of sport.

Of course you can SR, as can we all. You asked earlier if I was for real, I was just trying to check if you were.

As for American politicians having to put up with more vitriol than ours...eh no. Show me evidence of any American politician (even Trump) being subjected to what Corbyn and Abbot were subjected to in the last 2-3 years

You don't think they deserved it?
Besides, Johnson, Gove, May, Cameron etc are also subject to the similar vitriol. Why are you worried anyway? Concerned it might hurt their feelings? You don't go into politics for an ego boost.

[navyblueshorts]

Yup, Slightly different take to Sr:

But, his record is very extensively documented, 40 years of archived material, all in the public domain, including major changes on some core issues, support from the NRA, etc.
And he's no clue on how to pay for some of his campaign promises
"Socialism" is a brand for Republican, just a "Liberal" is, though neither tends to mean what we would define those terms as, and Bernie is hardly what we might call a socialist.
Plus his wife has a recent track record of very dodgy financial irregularities with a small college here in BTV - and the bloke with the biggest yank about it is a right-wing republican activist who has already been to court on the issue.

I never understand why Cuba & Castro (at least compared to other countries/dictators) are such dirty words here, but they are especially, as Sr says, in Florida where "Cuba" is yuuuuuge.  

Perhaps because they're on your doorstep and they've cocked a snook at the great US of A for half a century and more? How DARE they?!

[JAS]

Terrible day for Labour yesterday, usual inept, misinformed and feeble effort from Steptoe at PMQ's but RLB's toe curling performance on Andrew Neil really left the door wide open for Starmer, who despite his refusal to admit he would have to move to the centre didn't do too bad a job overall.

If it was a step nearer exposing RLB as unfit for office and therefore increasing Starmers chances...how was that such a terrible day?

[navyblueshorts]

Terrible day for Labour yesterday, usual inept, misinformed and feeble effort from Steptoe at PMQ's but RLB's toe curling performance on Andrew Neil really left the door wide open for Starmer, who despite his refusal to admit he would have to move to the centre didn't do too bad a job overall.

If it was a step nearer exposing RLB as unfit for office and therefore increasing Starmers chances...how was that such a terrible day?

Guess it depends on whether from PLP or membership perspective?

[JAS]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

[navyblueshorts]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service  jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

Bizarrely? No, it was just a cr@p storm going nowhere and off-topic most of the time. Frankly, I got bored.

[McLaren]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

[JAS]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service  jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

Bizarrely? No, it was just a cr@p storm going nowhere and off-topic most of the time. Frankly, I got bored.

I did try on several occasions to pull it back to the subject of austerity and it’s effect on municipal golf course closures. Others who clearly feel uncomfortable about admitting austerity was a choice and a bad one at that did everything to deflect the thread off topic e.g. calling people they don’t agree with Morons (not unique to that thread to be fair), blaming the SNP, ridiculing females with facial hair growth etc etc. Agree those kind of comments are boring and pathetic, thread closure causing? Hmmm not so sure. Anyway I’m not precious about it, it’s done and we move on :-)

[dynamark]

Hi folks just back from a few days in Tenerife and stayed next to Golf del Sur very nice piece of property looks in great order but best part of £125 for a round incl hire and buggy so it should be good.
Read a couple of old books incl Burn hard Lunger auto bio -man he says some strange stuff in the religious bits very odd for an determined and educated man.Published in 1973 very factual but he is genuinely scared he is not going to heaven unless he does certain things and even thought God was telling him to give up golf during his putting issues.Asks why other pros don't accept god even when they are offered.

[dynamark]

Apologies 2003 is the date

[Be_the_ball]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

[super_realist]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

I said ONE brown woman had a moustache Mac. Are you sure that the Mc in your name isn't short for Tatania McGrath?

[super_realist]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service  jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

Wasn't it Labour who left a message stating "Good luck, we've spent all the money". That doesn't mean that austerity would definitely work, but meant it was necessary. Overspending affects things like national credit rating, interest rates, inflation etc and had the Tories carried on like Labour then we might have found ourselves in the economic mire instead of just keeping our heads above water.
Austerity is never going to be popular, and it might not always work, but in the lesser of two evils, it is better long term than spending money as if today is the last day on earth.

I wonder how many of the dozen or so Labour MP's will be turning down their £3000 pay rise they're due to get? None I would bet.

[JAS]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service  jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

Wasn't it Labour who left a message stating "Good luck, we've spent all the money". That doesn't mean that austerity would definitely work, but meant it was necessary. Overspending affects things like national credit rating, interest rates, inflation etc and had the Tories carried on like Labour then we might have found ourselves in the economic mire instead of just keeping our heads above water.
Austerity is never going to be popular, and it might not always work, but in the lesser of two evils, it is better long term than spending money as if today is the last day on earth.

I wonder how many of the dozen or so Labour MP's will be turning down their £3000 pay rise they're due to get? None I would bet.

Why do you always try to excuse idiocy by stating your unresearched opinion on what Labour did, and should do?

Let’s just have a brief summary...
1. The “There’s no money left” note is a standing joke between successive chancellors and has been so for decades. Only in 2010 the Tories chose to “forget” about the joke and make some political capital out of it.
2. There is a HUGE difference between overspending and appropriate spending just as there is between appropriate spending and underfunding. Austerity means underfunding, it really is that simple.
3. You STILL seem unable to grasp the size of the 2008 banking collapse, nor can you see Browns widely praised role by international economists on the course he steered through the crisis. Your implication is that Labour caused the international crisis...how? Did Brown brow beat Fannie May and Freddie Mac into selling junk mortgages then encourage Goldman, Lehman, RBS etc to package them up into CDSs and start playing pass the parcel with them. Seriously Super if your going to continue to slag off Labours record to somehow (weirdly) justify Tory mismanagement of the economy then do some basic research and you find that underneath the ridiculous right wing headlines the facts just don’t stack up with their narrative.
4. You’re right re overspending although the value of govt bonds and exchange rates are the main casualties, although with e change rates it’s cuts both ways i.e. if the value of the £ drops, it helps exporters and it should also help tourism
5. Regarding the National debt, at the end of the war it was 260% of GDP (way way way higher than 2010), at that time the Attlee govt chose to spend and build their way out of the crisis, why don’t you do yourself a favour go google what the debt was at the end of the Attlee govts Keynesian approach. I’ll give you a clue.. it was a LOT lower than 260%

A wee bit of time spent on either ONS or Fullfact.org you may find useful in preventing you looking like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

[beninho]

Austerity has failed. Debt has increased. Terrible policy.

[Soul Requiem]

Austerity has failed. Debt has increased. Terrible policy.

Austerity wasn't about debt, it's about the deficit which has reduced four fold but not to the levels we were promised.

JAS, something about the Marshall plan which you're conveniently ignoring.

[JAS]

Austerity has failed. Debt has increased. Terrible policy.

Austerity wasn't about debt, it's about the deficit which has reduced four fold but not to the levels we were promised.

JAS, something about the Marshall plan which you're conveniently ignoring.

I didn’t “conveniently” leave it out. I was making a summarised point. So ok let’s mention it now, the U.K. got about a quarter of it (so about $3bn of the $12bn) and it was in the form of a grant not a loan that had to be repaid. So you could look at it as “free” money being pumped in. The key point being that money was being pumped in not squeezed out as in austerity.

Other things worth noting is that Marshall’s general theory was that America would be better served by European nations being prosperous. Perfectly reasonable assumption that if you help friends back to their feet, everybody benefits. Contrast that with the self harming starvation of austerity, actually ask yourself, WHO does it benefit??

Also as an aside the Marshall Plan never kicked in until over half way through the Attlee govt.

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