Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

[Soul Requiem]

Just the $5billion the UK had to repay the US for the Marshall plan (loans and grants) as well unconnected loans, nice spin though JAS.

[JAS]

Just the $5billion the UK had to repay the US for the Marshall plan (loans and grants) as well unconnected loans, nice spin though JAS.

I think you’ve lost me and the point, from the Marshall plan, the U.K. was “granted” around $3bn. So can we confirm was it a grant or was it a loan... are you aware of the difference?

The central tenet of the original point STILL holds true, austerity starves an economy causing pain for no discernible, realisable gain. Stimulae whether in the form of grants, loans or other instruments stimulate growth and growth allows debt to be repaid quicker. Not sure why so many have difficulty grasping what is a very simple point. You’re not falling into that old trap of comparing state budgetary management with household budgetary management (a common tactic of Tories trying to confuse the electorate, and to be fair a lot fall for it)

[navyblueshorts]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

You imply I'm biased (or imply racism) on my part again, you better have a damned good set of evidence to back it up. Enough of your bloody dead hobby horse.

Oh, it's 'bored' by the way.

[Soul Requiem]

Just the $5billion the UK had to repay the US for the Marshall plan (loans and grants) as well unconnected loans, nice spin though JAS.

I think you’ve lost me and the point, from the Marshall plan, the U.K. was “granted” around $3bn. So can we confirm was it a grant or was it a loan... are you aware of the difference?

The central tenet of the original point STILL holds true, austerity starves an economy causing pain for no discernible, realisable gain. Stimulae whether in the form of grants, loans or other instruments stimulate growth and growth allows debt to be repaid quicker. Not sure why so many have difficulty grasping what is a very simple point. You’re not falling into that old trap of comparing state budgetary management with household budgetary management (a common tactic of Tories trying to confuse the electorate, and to be fair a lot fall for it)

The Marshall plan was split into loans and grants(15% to 85%), it wasn't just one or the other. On top of that there were $3.6billion in loans alone from the USA which were only repaid last decade.

If you're going to try and act smart at least get the facts right.

[McLaren]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

You imply I'm biased (or imply racism) on my part again, you better have a damned good set of evidence to back it up. Enough of your bloody dead hobby horse.

Oh, it's 'bored' by the way.

Read the hash tag, I think you have missed the joke.

[beninho]

Austerity has failed. Debt has increased. Terrible policy.

Austerity wasn't about debt, it's about the deficit which has reduced four fold but not to the levels we were promised.

JAS, something about the Marshall plan which you're conveniently ignoring.

It was about deficit and debt. In both areas it's a failure. The overall impact on the population it's been a failure.

[Soul Requiem]

Austerity has failed. Debt has increased. Terrible policy.

Austerity wasn't about debt, it's about the deficit which has reduced four fold but not to the levels we were promised.

JAS, something about the Marshall plan which you're conveniently ignoring.

It was about deficit and debt. In both areas it's a failure. The overall impact on the population it's been a failure.

If you can find me some information from the 2010 manifesto to that effect that would be grand.

The overall impact has been a failure but we're now into our tenth consecutive year of a Tory government, do you mean it's been a failure for you?

[beninho]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_government_austerity_programme

Section in there about the 2010 budget speech.

At work, I have seen the impacts of austerity, I think it's been a failure. I posted an article on the locked thread about the impacts on the country.

I'm guessing you think austerity has been good for the whole country?

[navyblueshorts]

If Navy gets board then he goes full mod mode but if Super uses a racist trope like brown women have moustaches he stays silent.

#epstiendidn'tcommitsuicide

You imply I'm biased (or imply racism) on my part again, you better have a damned good set of evidence to back it up. Enough of your bloody dead hobby horse.

Oh, it's 'bored' by the way.

Read the hash tag, I think you have missed the joke.

Joke? You don't know what one is, and not everyone is on ****ing social media.

[Soul Requiem]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_government_austerity_programme

Section in there about the 2010 budget speech.

At work, I have seen the impacts of austerity, I think it's been a failure. I posted an article on the locked thread about the impacts on the country.

I'm guessing you think austerity has been good for the whole country?

You're getting very confused here, debt as % of GDP doesn't mean debt reduction at all.

You're talking about the impacts of Austerity on some people not all the people and it is also area specific. In the south east the effects have largely passed us by and i'll admit to being personally better off because of it.

[beninho]

Debt as percentage of GDP has gone up though, pretty much as debt has gone up.

I am unsure how anyone is better off due to austerity? I can understand it making little impact, but better off?

[Soul Requiem]

Debt as percentage of GDP has gone up though, pretty much as debt has gone up.

I am unsure how anyone is better off due to austerity? I can understand it making little impact, but better off?

Depends from what point of view you're looking. If you're looking only at the least well off then you come to your conclusion which whilst admirable isn't the reality for everyone.

[beninho]

I get that. And in my personal life, its probably had little to no impact. In my work life, I see lots of impact.

My curiosity is about how you are better off, and wondered how?

[JAS]

I get that. And in my personal life, its probably had little to no impact. In my work life, I see lots of impact.

My curiosity is about how you are better off, and wondered how?

From the angle he/she’s coming from they’re either a bank CEO, a hedge fund manager or a Daily mail reader.

I’m probably no worse off either way but I know many who are. I would say my job prospects are worse if I wanted to move from where I currently am, my retirement prospects are pretty much the same.

[beninho]

I was at a london wide manager's meeting today, and someone mentioned how austerity has meant more people have fallen through the cracks.  It's very true.

Anyway, I'm actually playing golf tomorrow. 6.56am start. Weather looks good aswell. Anyone else playing? Mr/mrs requiem?

[dynamark]

6.56 well done mate at last courses have a chance from the weather.
Austerity is a fluid term but it essentially means not giving what might be deemed as required.
But we have to elect a government with our best judgment and then let them get on with it.
That how it works

[Be_the_ball]

The Blades playing Champions League football next year?!?! Haha brilliant

[super_realist]

I was at a london wide manager's meeting today, and someone mentioned how austerity has meant more people have fallen through the cracks.  It's very true.

Anyway, I'm actually playing golf tomorrow. 6.56am start. Weather looks good aswell. Anyone else playing? Mr/mrs requiem?

Oh well it must be true then.

[super_realist]

Seeing as the other thread has rather bizarrely been locked, I felt this one of Supers gems was worth a response...

“Who has defended austerity? I don't think anyone did. I think they said that in the sea of municipal courses that you mentioned, that it wasn't a big deal if some of them closed. “

You might not have said the words “I defend austerity” but you clearly espouse the views that state spending generally should be cut and continue to be cut, whether that is to cut public sector/civil service  jobs which you deem inefficient or cut non essential services (of course the Tory view of “non essential” can be quite different than most peoples). So if you use a financial squeeze to cut and continue to cut jobs and services you end up with guess what?? Yep, that’s right Austerity. So you might not think you defend it, if you genuinely think you’re not defending it then you’re running a massive contradiction with yourself.

Wasn't it Labour who left a message stating "Good luck, we've spent all the money". That doesn't mean that austerity would definitely work, but meant it was necessary. Overspending affects things like national credit rating, interest rates, inflation etc and had the Tories carried on like Labour then we might have found ourselves in the economic mire instead of just keeping our heads above water.
Austerity is never going to be popular, and it might not always work, but in the lesser of two evils, it is better long term than spending money as if today is the last day on earth.

I wonder how many of the dozen or so Labour MP's will be turning down their £3000 pay rise they're due to get? None I would bet.

Why do you always try to excuse idiocy by stating your unresearched opinion on what Labour did, and should do?

Let’s just have a brief summary...
1. The “There’s no money left” note is a standing joke between successive chancellors and has been so for decades. Only in 2010 the Tories chose to “forget” about the joke and make some political capital out of it.
2. There is a HUGE difference between overspending and appropriate spending just as there is between appropriate spending and underfunding. Austerity means underfunding, it really is that simple.
3. You STILL seem unable to grasp the size of the 2008 banking collapse, nor can you see Browns widely praised role by international economists on the course he steered through the crisis. Your implication is that Labour caused the international crisis...how? Did Brown brow beat Fannie May and Freddie Mac into selling junk mortgages then encourage Goldman, Lehman, RBS etc to package them up into CDSs and start playing pass the parcel with them. Seriously Super if your going to continue to slag off Labours record to somehow (weirdly) justify Tory mismanagement of the economy then do some basic research and you find that underneath the ridiculous right wing headlines the facts just don’t stack up with their narrative.
4. You’re right re overspending although the value of govt bonds and exchange rates are the main casualties, although with e change rates it’s cuts both ways i.e. if the value of the £ drops, it helps exporters and it should also help tourism
5. Regarding the National debt, at the end of the war it was 260% of GDP (way way way higher than 2010), at that time the Attlee govt chose to spend and build their way out of the crisis, why don’t you do yourself a favour go google what the debt was at the end of the Attlee govts Keynesian approach. I’ll give you a clue.. it was a LOT lower than 260%

A wee bit of time spent on either ONS or Fullfact.org you may find useful in preventing you looking like an ostrich with its head in the sand.

I did not at any point state that Labour caused the 2008 crisis.
If you think the Labour rate of spending up to 2010 was sustainable then fine, I don't.

Of course national debt post war was higher, we had dozens of cities to rebuild and war loans to repay. Obviously this was going to level out at some point, but crediting Atlee with that is to completely ignore the effect of the infrastructure being rebuilt and no further spending necessary on that highly expensive aspect of post war rebuilding. Why the hell would you expect it not to be. How absolutely ridiculous to compare it to 70 odd years later in peace time Britain.

Here's a clue for you, fighting a World War with millions of conscripts on many fronts over 6 years is a tiny wee bit expensive. What sort of idiot would use that as a comparison for 2010? Not to mention that Britain was still suffering from WW1 and the Great Depression.

[beninho]

I was at a london wide manager's meeting today, and someone mentioned how austerity has meant more people have fallen through the cracks.  It's very true.

Anyway, I'm actually playing golf tomorrow. 6.56am start. Weather looks good aswell. Anyone else playing? Mr/mrs requiem?

Oh well it must be true then.

Morning Realist, how are you today?

Anyway, thanks for your comment, great point well made. Not sure about the snarky tone though. Bit sneery in fact. Like you don't accept the views and impacts of professionals who work in the services. But, your view that councils are wasteful after a little bit of time in the public sector is the gospel truth. Can you see where confusion would exist.

Anyway, much love to you and yours.

[beninho]

Hi realist, me again.

Just wondering what you thought the labour government up to 2010 was overspending on. Just a brief breakdown and examples are fine.

Just curious. Because the debt as % of GDP was really quite steady, until the global banking crisis anyway.

[beninho]

International women's day today. Richard Herring, a comedian who was big in my youth, spends ages responding to idiots on twitter asking when international mens day is.

[dynamark]

Beni - I think the election proved that the electorate do not trust labour with the economy
and that's the end of it. Tories have to continue to give that confidence that they can handle it .
There are always causes that will spend anything that is available but decisions have to be made.
IM assuming most of us here have an income and do not have huge credit card debt and loans its individual responsibility and behaviour.I slightly upset a mate last week whos 37 year old son has come to him again with money issues.The lad has a decent job very good money but does 20 cigs a day likes a drink and a takeaway has a large HP on a car he rarely uses and has a bet. No helping himself and asking someone else to take the rap.

[Plunky]

International women's day today. Richard Herring, a comedian who was big in my youth, spends ages responding to idiots on twitter asking when international mens day is.

It's November 19 th isn't it ?  Shouldn't take long to explain that !

[super_realist]

I was at a london wide manager's meeting today, and someone mentioned how austerity has meant more people have fallen through the cracks.  It's very true.

Anyway, I'm actually playing golf tomorrow. 6.56am start. Weather looks good aswell. Anyone else playing? Mr/mrs requiem?

Oh well it must be true then.

Morning Realist, how are you today?

Anyway, thanks for your comment, great point well made. Not sure about the snarky tone though. Bit sneery in fact. Like you don't accept the views and impacts of professionals who work in the services. But, your view that councils are wasteful after a little bit of time in the public sector is the gospel truth. Can you see where confusion would exist.

Anyway, much love to you and yours.

My point was that people always "Fall through the cracks" It doesn't matter what you do, you can't help everyone, and regardless of what government is in, and what economic models are in place, this statement will always be true.
Sounds like someone was simply playing "bullsh1t bingo" in your meeting and just wanted to tick off the cliched  "fall through the cracks" on their list.

Councils are wasteful, that's not even in doubt and I wouldn't even have had to work there to be able to tell that, your statement is same for your business as in people will always be poor regardless of what you do.

[super_realist]

Beni - I think the election proved that the electorate do not trust labour with the economy
and that's the end of it. Tories have to continue to give that confidence that they can handle it .
There are always causes that will spend anything that is available but decisions have to be made.
IM assuming most of us here have an income and do not have huge credit card debt and loans its individual responsibility and behaviour.I slightly upset a mate last week whos 37 year old son has come to him again with money issues.The lad has a decent job very good money but does 20 cigs a day likes a drink and a takeaway has a large HP on a car he rarely uses and has a bet. No helping himself and asking someone else to take the rap.

What a complete idiot.

[JAS]

Beni - I think the election proved that the electorate do not trust labour with the economy
and that's the end of it. Tories have to continue to give that confidence that they can handle it .
There are always causes that will spend anything that is available but decisions have to be made.
IM assuming most of us here have an income and do not have huge credit card debt and loans its individual responsibility and behaviour.I slightly upset a mate last week whos 37 year old son has come to him again with money issues.The lad has a decent job very good money but does 20 cigs a day likes a drink and a takeaway has a large HP on a car he rarely uses and has a bet. No helping himself and asking someone else to take the rap.

What a complete idiot.

Maybe not what most of us would consider the smartest way to live but “complete idiot”? It’s not not being the smartest way to live thats the frustrating part it’s that expectation in the vacuum of personal responsibility that somebody else will pick up the tab.

Meanwhile for a more lighthearted take on things...
https://youtu.be/_n0s6ViKNNY
The scarecrow bit had me in stitches.

[super_realist]

Beni - I think the election proved that the electorate do not trust labour with the economy
and that's the end of it. Tories have to continue to give that confidence that they can handle it .
There are always causes that will spend anything that is available but decisions have to be made.
IM assuming most of us here have an income and do not have huge credit card debt and loans its individual responsibility and behaviour.I slightly upset a mate last week whos 37 year old son has come to him again with money issues.The lad has a decent job very good money but does 20 cigs a day likes a drink and a takeaway has a large HP on a car he rarely uses and has a bet. No helping himself and asking someone else to take the rap.

What a complete idiot.

Maybe not what most of us would consider the smartest way to live but “complete idiot”? It’s not not being the smartest way to live thats the frustrating part it’s that expectation in the vacuum of personal responsibility that somebody else will pick up the tab.

Meanwhile for a more lighthearted take on things...
https://youtu.be/_n0s6ViKNNY
The scarecrow bit had me in stitches.

Of course he's an idiot. If he is so stupid that he has all these outgoings, but doesn't do anything about them before seeking help than it makes him both lazy and stupid. If I was his parents I would tell him he's 37, should stop smoking (he should anyway), cut down drinking and get rid of the car. It's really really easy to live within your means, especially if as is claimed he's on a decent salary (whatever that is in this case)
Isn't a packet of fags in excess of £12 now? How could anyone want to smoke at those prices?

[super_realist]

Another foot in mouth day for Labour yesterday, suspending Trevor Philips is alienating more voters and makes them look even more ridiculous than they already did.

[JAS]

Beni - I think the election proved that the electorate do not trust labour with the economy
and that's the end of it. Tories have to continue to give that confidence that they can handle it .
There are always causes that will spend anything that is available but decisions have to be made.
IM assuming most of us here have an income and do not have huge credit card debt and loans its individual responsibility and behaviour.I slightly upset a mate last week whos 37 year old son has come to him again with money issues.The lad has a decent job very good money but does 20 cigs a day likes a drink and a takeaway has a large HP on a car he rarely uses and has a bet. No helping himself and asking someone else to take the rap.

What a complete idiot.

Maybe not what most of us would consider the smartest way to live but “complete idiot”? It’s not not being the smartest way to live thats the frustrating part it’s that expectation in the vacuum of personal responsibility that somebody else will pick up the tab.

Meanwhile for a more lighthearted take on things...
https://youtu.be/_n0s6ViKNNY
The scarecrow bit had me in stitches.

Of course he's an idiot. If he is so stupid that he has all these outgoings, but doesn't do anything about them before seeking help than it makes him both lazy and stupid. If I was his parents I would tell him he's 37, should stop smoking (he should anyway), cut down drinking and get rid of the car. It's really really easy to live within your means, especially if as is claimed he's on a decent salary (whatever that is in this case)
Isn't a packet of fags in excess of £12 now? How could anyone want to smoke at those prices?

Super have you spent time in North Korea or is your complete and utter intolerance and subsequent ridiculing of others shortcomings just a natural character trait? As I said, The example given is clearly not what most of us would consider a sensible way to live our lives but what else do you know about the given example? Anything? No. Have you walked a mile in his shoes? No Complete and pathological intolerance of others is where Fascism starts. Not defending the guy in any way, as I eluded to I think the absence of personal responsibility is the biggest issue and that is something that pervades a huge swathe of society nowadays. To be honest focusing on the demonisation of the vices masks the fact that the real thing that needs addressing is the need for more personal responsibility.

[Soul Requiem]

So you're just arguing for the sake of it then JAS, you clearly agree with SR but don't want to be seen doing so.

[JAS]

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you 2 have the same initials :-p

And actually for the record, we don’t agree. Super thinks the guy in question is a complete idiot. I’m saying he’s making choices I personally wouldn’t make....BIG difference.

Super is focussing on the supposed idiocy of the addictive vices, I’m bemoaning the vacuum of personal responsibility...again big difference.

[Soul Requiem]

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you 2 have the same initials :-p

And actually for the record, we don’t agree. Super thinks the guy in question is a complete idiot. I’m saying he’s making choices I personally wouldn’t make....BIG difference.

Super is focussing on the supposed idiocy of the addictive vices, I’m bemoaning the vacuum of personal responsibility...again big difference.

You're now just making excuses and diverting away from the truth.

[JAS]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

[Soul Requiem]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

[JAS]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

I don’t like false people, people with a hidden agenda. Oddly there’s a lot about Supers persona that I do like even though we see the political world very differently. That’s another reason I think you are one in the same. cover all the bases with 2 separate accounts. Just stick to being Super, warts and all, we know what we’re getting there. :-p

[Soul Requiem]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

I don’t like false people, people with a hidden agenda. Oddly there’s a lot about Supers persona that I do like even though we see the political world very differently. That’s another reason I think you are one in the same. cover all the bases with 2 separate accounts. Just stick to being Super, warts and all, we know what we’re getting there. :-p

You can raise that grievance with the mods on here if you so wish, they'll soon put you straight

[JAS]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

I don’t like false people, people with a hidden agenda. Oddly there’s a lot about Supers persona that I do like even though we see the political world very differently. That’s another reason I think you are one in the same. cover all the bases with 2 separate accounts. Just stick to being Super, warts and all, we know what we’re getting there. :-p

You can raise that grievance with the mods on here if you so wish, they'll soon put you straight

I don’t have a grievance, I do however have a low boredom threshold for certain types of people, you’re boring me now zzzzzz!

[Soul Requiem]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

I don’t like false people, people with a hidden agenda. Oddly there’s a lot about Supers persona that I do like even though we see the political world very differently. That’s another reason I think you are one in the same. cover all the bases with 2 separate accounts. Just stick to being Super, warts and all, we know what we’re getting there. :-p

You can raise that grievance with the mods on here if you so wish, they'll soon put you straight

I don’t have a grievance, I do however have a low boredom threshold for certain types of people, you’re boring me now zzzzzz!

Oh no, run along then JAS. Truth hurts doesn't it.

[superflyweight]

My gut feeling from day 1 of your postings on here is that you were a WUM account, whether you’re Supers alter ego or whether you’re just a non golfing randomer who has just stumbled across this forum, you don’t actually contribute anything other than WUMming (unless I’ve missed it) so you’re just there to be humoured on days when you pop up and I can be bothered.

In other words you don't like people highlighting your hypocrisy, good one.

I don’t like false people, people with a hidden agenda. Oddly there’s a lot about Supers persona that I do like even though we see the political world very differently. That’s another reason I think you are one in the same. cover all the bases with 2 separate accounts. Just stick to being Super, warts and all, we know what we’re getting there. :-p

You can raise that grievance with the mods on here if you so wish, they'll soon put you straight

I don’t have a grievance, I do however have a low boredom threshold for certain types of people, you’re boring me now zzzzzz!

Oh no, run along then JAS. Truth hurts doesn't it.

You are quite strange.

[super_realist]

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you 2 have the same initials :-p

And actually for the record, we don’t agree. Super thinks the guy in question is a complete idiot. I’m saying he’s making choices I personally wouldn’t make....BIG difference.

Super is focussing on the supposed idiocy of the addictive vices, I’m bemoaning the vacuum of personal responsibility...again big difference.

I'm saying he's an idiot for having lifestyle choices and cars which he can't afford/sustain whilst simultaneously expecting someone to bail him out without the need for him to change the way he lives his life. He might require help, but wouldn't it be sensible for him to cut the things which have put him in that position. How is that fascism and not just common sense?

I don't really see why you don't think that his stance is idiotic.
The lack of personal responsibility of the UK is one of the reasons the country is in such a state, especially in regards to health and personal  finances. You've assumed he's an addict, what evidence is there and how does an expensive car fit into that equation?

[McLaren]

Jas

I think you are a little out of order in claiming super also runs the soul requiem account. There doesn't seem to be much overlap in writing style and if you check Souls profile a lot of his comments are in the rugby section, a sport we know super has no time for.


Although it is odd that Super has not addressed the accusation.

[super_realist]

Jas

I think you are a little out of order in claiming super also runs the soul requiem account. There doesn't seem to be much overlap in writing style and if you check Souls profile a lot of his comments are in the rugby section, a sport we know super has no time for.


Although it is odd that Super has not addressed the accusation.

I actually went to the egg chucking at the weekend Mac, not something I'd usually do Mac, got got freebie tickets through work.
You're right though, I'm not Soul Requiem.

[McLaren]

I can't imagine wasting time at a rugby match even if I got free tickets.

[super_realist]

I can't imagine wasting time at a rugby match even if I got free tickets.

Quite enjoyed it Mac, had a good few beers and watched a relatively entertaining game. I wouldn't watch any sport every week, but it was worth going to as a one off.

[JAS]

As I’ve said before, I don’t think it’s a coincidence that you 2 have the same initials :-p

And actually for the record, we don’t agree. Super thinks the guy in question is a complete idiot. I’m saying he’s making choices I personally wouldn’t make....BIG difference.

Super is focussing on the supposed idiocy of the addictive vices, I’m bemoaning the vacuum of personal responsibility...again big difference.

I'm saying he's an idiot for having lifestyle choices and cars which he can't afford/sustain whilst simultaneously expecting someone to bail him out without the need for him to change the way he lives his life. He might require help, but wouldn't it be sensible for him to cut the things which have put him in that position. How is that fascism and not just common sense?

I don't really see why you don't think that his stance is idiotic.
The lack of personal responsibility of the UK is one of the reasons the country is in such a state, especially in regards to health and personal  finances. You've assumed he's an addict, what evidence is there and how does an expensive car fit into that equation?

Regarding the first paragraph, we’re not that far apart, I’m just not as judgemental because I don’t know the full circumstances. The fascism comment was a remark pointed at your judgemental intolerance.

I think we agree on the (lack of) responsibility thing and the issues it causes. I haven’t assumed he’s an addict, I pointed out that he’s indulging in vices that are addictive. So I’ve implied that MAYBE that COULD be a factor in why he struggles.

There is a danger in being holier than thou with people, I’ve been there with my daughters and smoking, the more you tell them not to the more they’ll say to themselves “Eff you, I’ll do what I want”. During that time did they ask me for money? Yes, did they get it? A lot of the time no but sometimes yes. There’s a judgement call between making a point and helping when help is really required. They’re both out the other side of the whole smoking thing now but I can take no credit whatsoever for getting them to stop, they had to do it for themselves and they weren’t idiots either. Call them idiots at the time would probably have precipitated a trip to the tobacconist.

[JAS]

Jas

I think you are a little out of order in claiming super also runs the soul requiem account. There doesn't seem to be much overlap in writing style and if you check Souls profile a lot of his comments are in the rugby section, a sport we know super has no time for.


Although it is odd that Super has not addressed the accusation.

Yeah I suppose, I think the comment before I responded with “I don’t have a grievance” made me think ah maybe not then. The subsequent ones were very “unsuper” as well.

[super_realist]

I think we are largely in agreement, but the "addiction" issue doesn't take into account his expensive car, which if he was really having financial issues could return it.

It didn't sound that he was remotely making an effort to sort out his finances based on what we know about his lifestyle. He changed nothing, but still sought finance from somewhere else.

There's no need for anyone to smoke these days, even if you are so weak willed you need a substitute. There's plenty of cheap alternatives to cigarettes.

[westisbest]

I can't imagine wasting time at a rugby match even if I got free tickets.

Quite enjoyed it Mac, had a good few beers and watched a relatively entertaining game. I wouldn't watch any sport every week, but it was worth going to as a one off.

Glad you enjoyed it super.

Big rugby union fan. Think it’s a great sport.

Watched Scotland France game. Shame for Scotland they couldn’t get that 4th try.
If they beat wales, then they will be top of the table.

It’s become a bit of a mess with these cancellations.

[super_realist]

Certainly better clientele than the scum you have to suffer at football matches.

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