Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

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Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

[JAS]

Certainly better clientele than  the scum you have to suffer at football matches.

Having been to quite a few of both I do find the difference quite startling as well, even more so around the ground than in the ground.

[super_realist]

Certainly better clientele than  the scum you have to suffer at football matches.

Having been to quite a few of both I do find the difference quite startling as well, even more so around the ground than in the ground.

Especially when you contrast that in Scotland at least, you can't buy alcohol at football but you can at the rugby and there's still no trouble. Very civilised.

[JAS]

Certainly better clientele than  the scum you have to suffer at football matches.

Having been to quite a few of both I do find the difference quite startling as well, even more so around the ground than in the ground.

Especially when you contrast that in Scotland at least, you can't buy alcohol at football but you can at the rugby and there's still no trouble. Very civilised.

Indeed.

Speaking of having a few beers, how’s your training going? Weren’t you going for a spring marathon?

[super_realist]

Yup, doing London again. Training going great, but could well get stymied by the hysterical reaction to Coronavirus.

[kwinigolfer]

super,
Did you have to enter the lottery for London or do you somehow qualify by some other means, whether via elite status, qualifying races, etc?

Interested because my lad and his lady have been trying to get in to Berlin, London & Tokyo (I know, "trophy" races) without success.

[super_realist]

Kwini, I've got a qualification time after last year, but last year beat the odds to get a ballot place. I'd failed in that ballot 17 years in a row. Best bet is to be a member of a UK running club and get one of their allocated spaces, run for a charity ( minimum amount required) or run a qualification time in a minor, but easier to get into marathon (none of which I'd bothered to do, but that would have helped me out)

[JAS]

super,
Did you have to enter the lottery for London or do you somehow qualify by some other means, whether via elite status, qualifying races, etc?

Interested because my lad and his lady have been trying to get in to Berlin, London & Tokyo (I know, "trophy" races) without success.

Odds for London are awful now Kwini, I’ve got in once (2014) since 2009. Did a Golden Bond place for the BHF in 2008. With a GB you have to pledge to raise a certain amount. I don’t think the charities are interested in anything less than 2 grand these days. I pledged to raise £1500 in 2008 and managed £1850 in the end. The Friday before the race my total was only about £700 which was stress I didn’t need (you have to make up any shortfall in the fundraising to the pledged amount)

[navyblueshorts]

I can't imagine wasting time at a rugby match even if I got free tickets.

I can't imagine wasting time watching Manure United either, but there we go.

[JAS]

I can see London being canned this year Super, lots of heavy breathing bodies from all over the world crammed together?? A veritable 5 star resort for virus spread :-/ not only that, at the end of the race runners are (temporarily at least) just a bit immuno compromised. It would be a great shame to see it cancelled but I’d say it’s about 70/30 whether it will or not. 70% it will be cancelled.

[super_realist]

I think so too Jas, if it does I've not really lost anything, just gained more fitness and a return ticket to London.
The silver lining might be that the amount of charity money raised might negate any prospect of cancellation and also that current advice is that there's no need to cancel mass events.
Cheltenham is not affected, so hoping London won't be.

[JAS]

I think so too Jas, if it does I've not really lost anything, just gained more fitness and a return ticket to London.
The silver lining might be that the amount of charity money raised might negate any prospect of cancellation and also that current advice is that there's no need to cancel mass events.
Cheltenham is not affected, so hoping London won't be.

True, however I reckon we are about 10-14 days behind Italy and if (big IF) we follow anything like a similar curve I think the advice will change.  

My partner is doing the Bath half on Sunday, kind of hoping it was going to get binned (she’s not ready), I’ve suggested she really shouldn’t run but she’s not listening.

So what was your time that would qualify as a good for age time? I’m now looking at that as probably my best shot at another London. I’m 57 in a couple of weeks so id need to find a 3:20 in a lesser race at the moment, however in 3 years time the bar drops  to 3:45. I was good for age in my 20s (2:51) and never capitalised on it but I do have that inner belief that with enough dedication I can get back to good for age for my current age.

[super_realist]

2:51 is amazing JAS. Real distinguished standard, probably the equivalent of +4 golfer.
Qualifying time for me was sub 3:05, they then reduced this by 2.5 mins for each group.

[kwinigolfer]

super,
Did you have to enter the lottery for London or do you somehow qualify by some other means, whether via elite status, qualifying races, etc?

Interested because my lad and his lady have been trying to get in to Berlin, London & Tokyo (I know, "trophy" races) without success.

Odds for London are awful now Kwini, I’ve got in once (2014) since 2009. Did a Golden Bond place for the BHF in 2008. With a GB you have to pledge to raise a certain amount. I don’t think the charities are interested in anything less than 2 grand these days. I pledged to raise £1500 in 2008 and managed £1850 in the end. The Friday before the race my total was only about £700 which was stress I didn’t need (you have to make up any shortfall in the fundraising to the pledged amount)

super, JAS,
Thanks, Pretty much what I thought Seems true for Berlin & Tokyo also. Boston is virtually impossible but Chicago seems accessible.

They qualified for NYC (which was the best "community" event I've attended in the US) by joining NY Road Runners and running qualifying events, sort of a two-year rotation unless one secures an elite time. Which they didn't . . . . . .

[McLaren]

Cheltenham is not affected, so hoping London won't be.

To be fair I don't think horses can catch it.

[McLaren]

I can't imagine wasting time at a rugby match even if I got free tickets.

:picard: I can't imagine wasting time watching Manure United either, but there we go.

You a rugby fan Navy?

[navyblueshorts]

I think so too Jas, if it does I've not really lost anything, just gained more fitness and a return ticket to London.
The silver lining might be that the amount of charity money raised might negate any prospect of cancellation and also that current advice is that there's no need to cancel mass events.
Cheltenham is not affected, so hoping London won't be.

True, however I reckon we are about 10-14 days behind Italy and if (big IF) we follow anything like a similar curve I think the advice will change....

It will. Personally, I'm amazed Cheltenham is proceeding. R0 for SARS-v2/Covid-19 is ~2.2 I think i.e. evidence suggests it's more infectious than influenza and has higher mortality. We know nothing, for example, about its effects (if any) on unborn foetuses - see Zika.

The horse has bolted - it'll run it's course, but if people think sticking their head in the sand'll help, more fool them.

[McLaren]

Navy, I could be wrong but 2.3 is in the range of R0's for influenza.

[super_realist]

Navy, I could be wrong but 2.3 is in the range of R0's for influenza.

That's the rate in China, not necessarily true for anywhere else

In the UK just 6 out of 373 have died, which is 1.6% death rate so far, and all had underlying health issues.

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[McLaren]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51707459?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c4lkkjr9k12t/alex-salmond-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

I feel bad for questioning a woman's account of assault but it seems pretty unlikely that Salmond would have the agility to "pounce" on anything.

[super_realist]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51707459?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c4lkkjr9k12t/alex-salmond-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

I feel bad for questioning a woman's account of assault but it seems pretty unlikely that Salmond would have the agility to "pounce" on anything.

He could certainly flop or fall on someone. I'd be interested to know how much the SNP attempted to cover this up.

[JAS]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51707459?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c4lkkjr9k12t/alex-salmond-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

I feel bad for questioning a woman's account of assault but it seems pretty unlikely that Salmond would have the agility to "pounce" on anything.

He could certainly flop or fall on someone. I'd be interested to know how much the SNP attempted to cover this up.

I’m pretty astounded that a guy in that sort of shape has any libido, even an attempted pounce looks beyond him. The mind just boggles. If he was that uncontrolled d’ya think he’s had any attempted pops at Nicola and been rebuffed?

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, I could be wrong but 2.3 is in the range of R0's for influenza.

~1.3 to ~1.5 I think. See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6670001/, for example.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy, I could be wrong but 2.3 is in the range of R0's for influenza.

That's the rate in China, not necessarily true for anywhere else

In the UK just 6 out of 373 have died, which is 1.6% death rate so far, and all had underlying health issues.

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R0 = 2.3 is the best info we have. Even a death rate of 1.6% is higher than that for influenza, which is typically <0.1-0.2%.

[navyblueshorts]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51707459?intlink_from_url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/c4lkkjr9k12t/alex-salmond-case&link_location=live-reporting-story

I feel bad for questioning a woman's account of assault but it seems pretty unlikely that Salmond would have the agility to "pounce" on anything.

He could certainly flop or fall on someone. I'd be interested to know how much the SNP attempted to cover this up.

I’m pretty astounded that a guy in that sort of shape has any libido, even an attempted pounce looks beyond him. The mind just boggles. If he was that uncontrolled d’ya think he’s had any attempted pops at Nicola and been rebuffed?

Seriously? Do you question what the late Cyril Smith was supposed to have been up to? It's about power, not agility.

Surprised at you, Mac, for making light of something so 'woke' as this.

[super_realist]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

[navyblueshorts]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

Nice. Like your parents/grandparents much do you?

[super_realist]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

Nice. Like your parents/grandparents much do you?

I didn't say that did I? It's clearly a simple fact the world is overpopulated.
It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

[pedro]

You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

Maybe it’s your behaviour?

[navyblueshorts]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

Nice. Like your parents/grandparents much do you?

I didn't say that did I? It's clearly a simple fact the world is overpopulated.
It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

No, you didn't say that, but your usual callousness in comment is noted. Do you do it just for effect?
I have no idea how old you are - how would I? I'd say anyone into their 40s might well still have grandparents, maybe even 50s.
The world is not 'over-populated'. It is not a 'simple fact'. Maybe misused by the existing population is what you meant?

[super_realist]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

Nice. Like your parents/grandparents much do you?

I didn't say that did I? It's clearly a simple fact the world is overpopulated.
It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

No, you didn't say that, but your usual callousness in comment is noted. Do you do it just for effect?
I have no idea how old you are - how would I? I'd say anyone into their 40s might well still have grandparents, maybe even 50s.
The world is not 'over-populated'. It is not a 'simple fact'. Maybe misused by the existing population is what you meant?

Depends how you define over populated. Can we feed the current population to sufficient standards using our currently available resources? Doesn't appear so.
We have more people than can be taken care of adequately. I'd call that over population.

[navyblueshorts]

Wouldn't do the world any harm to have 1.6% fewer people.

Nice. Like your parents/grandparents much do you?

I didn't say that did I? It's clearly a simple fact the world is overpopulated.
It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

No, you didn't say that, but your usual callousness in comment is noted. Do you do it just for effect?
I have no idea how old you are - how would I? I'd say anyone into their 40s might well still have grandparents, maybe even 50s.
The world is not 'over-populated'. It is not a 'simple fact'. Maybe misused by the existing population is what you meant?

Depends how you define over populated. Can we feed the current population to sufficient standards using our currently available resources? Doesn't appear so.
We have more people than can be taken care of adequately. I'd call that over population.

Fair comment. I disagree though. We have more than enough food as things stand and/or more than enough existing ability to raise those struggling. Existing population doesn't seem to feel that's a winner though. Maybe we'll all grow up at some point.

[super_realist]

Well, you're right about us having enough, but we don't have the capability (or the will) to give our global population a decent life.

[McLaren]

Surprised at you, Mac, for making light of something so 'woke' as this.

Salmond coming to bed

Salmond coming to bed:

[McLaren]

It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

Super given the chav region of the country you come from your grandparents probably weren't that much older than you.

[super_realist]

It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

Super given the chav region of the country you come from your grandparents probably weren't that much older than you.

It's funny how you like to joke I'm a chav when it's not me who travels on the bus, has to play on municipal courses and buys his gear from jumble sales.

[McLaren]

Super

Well if you shout me a round on TOC you will find out where I play these days.

[super_realist]

Super

Well if you shout me a round on TOC you will find out where I play these days.

You mean you're no longer a member of a chavvy municipal?

[McLaren]

I was never a member of a chavcvy municipal. The Braids is the best course in Edinburgh.

[super_realist]

I was never a member of a chavcvy municipal. The Braids is the best course in Edinburgh.

[McLaren]

Name a better one?

[super_realist]

Bruntsfield, Royal Burgess, Mortonhall,

[super_realist]

Did anyone hear the naive fool Harry get pranked by a pair of Russian scamps? Is it possible he has the mental age of a 12 year old?

[Eyetoldyouso]

Name a better one?

Its next door neighbour - Mortonhall.

[McLaren]

Bruntsfield, Royal Burgess, Mortonhall,

Name a better one?

Its next door neighbour - Mortonhall.

We have some GCA noobs in the house.

[super_realist]

Bruntsfield, Royal Burgess, Mortonhall,

Name a better one?

Its next door neighbour - Mortonhall.

We have some GCA noobs in the house.

Mac, there's no doubt there's some decent holes at Braids, but it's not the best course in Edinburgh.

[Eyetoldyouso]

For your information, I used to live in the Braids. I must have played Braids 1 more times than you've had hot dinners and Braids 2, as it was, even more. We used to "jump on" to Braids 2 every day after school, play a few holes, then practice our chipping after the parkie had closed the course.

My house backed onto Mortonhall and had friends who were members there so I have played that lots of times as well.

Braids 1 was a very good course particularly for a novice which IMO had 17 decent holes, some very good, and a poor 18th. But Mortonhall was better.

[westisbest]

It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

Super given the chav region of the country you come from your grandparents probably weren't that much older than you.

It's funny how you like to joke I'm a chav when it's not me who travels on the bus, has to play on municipal courses and buys his gear from jumble sales.

Your a chav if you take the bus. Never knew that.

Don’t take the bus much, but there is f all wrong with taking the bus.
Strange thing to say.

I’m sure you’ve been on a bus a few times in your life.

[super_realist]

It's pretty funny to suggest I'd still have grandparents. You must think I'm a lot younger than I am.

Super given the chav region of the country you come from your grandparents probably weren't that much older than you.

It's funny how you like to joke I'm a chav when it's not me who travels on the bus, has to play on municipal courses and buys his gear from jumble sales.

Your a chav if you take the bus. Never knew that.

Don’t take the bus much, but there is f all wrong with taking the bus.
Strange thing to say.

I’m sure you’ve been on a bus a few times in your life.

Of course I've been on a bus, but most civilised people once they reach Mac's age have their own transport.
Mac was inferring I grew up in a poor area, when it is in fact the case that all the evidence suggests it is Mac who is the peasant.

[McLaren]

Here is my hole by hole head to head matchplay between braids and mortonhall.

1. AS
2. MH 1up (silly uphill wedge par 3 on merchants)
3. AS (crap par 3 for MH, relatively interesting short par 4 for braids)
4. BH 1 Up (ok par 5 at mortonhall, nice short par 4 for Merchants)
5. BH 2up (boring short par 4 at MH, iron off tee  round the dog leg then boring wedge)
6. BH 2up
7. BH 1up (silly hole at the braids just no where to really play a strategic drive, almost hit and hope)
8. BH 2up (at least the green is interesting at the braids 8th. Although neither are great holes)
9. BH 2up (two strong holes. Interesting short par 4 on MH and challenging par 3 with interesting green at BH)
10. BH 3up (very simple wedge par 3 at MH while merchants has decent par 5)
11. BH 3up
12. BH 2up (there is just something fun about the elevated tee shot on MH 12th, BH has crappy uphill short par 4)
13. BH 2up (really good par 3 at BH which can be a wood in the wind but green site of MH 13th makes it a draw)
14. BH 3up (really boring par 4 at MH, while BH has a double fairway (sort of) with drive from the top of the hill between a cliff face)
15. BH 3up (both have nothing par 4's)
16. BH 3up (the tee shot at MH doesn't offer too much but I like its small undulating green. BH offers fun drive through the valley and due to the contours some interesting landing spots for the approach shot)
17 BH 4up (par 3 over water (which shouldn't really come into play) at MH vs par 3 over massive dip/valley at BH. The greater and more interesting recovery options give this to BH, plus on non GCA grounds the backdrop of the city on BH is awesome)
18 BH 3up (MH's 18th would have to be pretty bad to lose the last. I rarely bothered to play the 18th at BH unless it was a counting card)


So 3 up to the Braids based on hole vs hole but the setting of the braids should really earn it a couple of extra points.

[beninho]

I've not seen it, but from what I've read, we have a budget taking on board labour's policies on spending to benefit the country.

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