Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Kobe beef isn't that a real thing.Not familiar with the gent but Basketball is a great spectator sport in that there is a score every few seconds and always a result .
Lowry has done very  well to say the least in view of the stick he gets.Good lad

Do you think so? It's certainly a great sport to play, but it's pretty boring to watch. 75% of the game is irrelevant. It only becomes slightly interesting in the last quarter when the match is won and lost. I thinks that's the problem with American sport. They concentrate so much on there being frequent scoring, that it becomes routine and lacks excitement when they do score.
I prefer moments of brilliance in sports rather than just constant routine points.

[McLaren]

Dyna

1^10 = 1
2.5^10 = 9536

So you can see how big a difference it makes over 10 rounds of transmissions.

[beninho]

Finally we have lockdown. But you can have your one run a day realist.

[super_realist]

"One form of exercise a day" Golf count?

[westisbest]

I went for a walk with the wife and our son. Just round the block. Was quiet enough. We saw people walking towards us so crossed the road, as did people when they saw us.

We will continue to do this, as it’s pretty quiet where we live.
People need to continue with exercise as long as they are abiding by the rules.
Everybody needs some fresh air.
There are people who live in high rise buildings who would need to get out and get some air and exercise.

We are able to still do this. We just need to do it sensibly.

[McLaren]

Yes we are apparently still ok to play golf. I guess in groups of 2 at most. But given that greenkeeping isn't essential work the courses might get pretty ropy.

[beninho]

Could probably just stroll on the golf course,because I would guess none will be manned.

[beninho]

Anyway, no matter what I've ever said about anyone. I do hope you all stay safe and your loved ones.

Really shi££y times.

[McLaren]

Would it be poor form to try and sneak onto Muirfield?

[beninho]

Just cough a lot, you will be fine.

[pedro]

We saw people walking towards us so crossed the road, as did people when they saw us.

I’m used to that.

[pedro]

I was out on Friday making an essential journey.

Thought you were wise enoguh to avoid the bus?

[McLaren]

I was out on Friday making an essential journey.

Thought you were wise enoguh to avoid the bus?

Despite what Super would have you believe I own a car.

[super_realist]

I was out on Friday making an essential journey.

Thought you were wise enoguh to avoid the bus?

Despite what Super would have you believe I own a car.

Hope it isn't a Ford Mac, Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathiser.

[I'm never wrong]

Yes we are apparently still ok to play golf. I guess in groups of 2 at most. But given that greenkeeping isn't essential work the courses might get pretty ropy.

My golf course has just emailed out that they are temporarily closing.

[McLaren]

I was out on Friday making an essential journey.

Thought you were wise enoguh to avoid the bus?

Despite what Super would have you believe I own a car.

Hope it isn't a Ford Mac, Henry Ford was a Nazi sympathiser.

It's more Nazi than that.

[McLaren]

Love sacks just got the email to say our course is closed.

[super_realist]

VW. Hope it isn't a Beetle. The Hitlermobile.

[McLaren]

It is a retro beetle. What do you think about that?

[super_realist]

It is a retro beetle. What do you think about that?

Seriously? That is one of the worst cars in history and not very green either.

[McLaren]

I think it is quite cool.

[pedro]

I think we have seen in the last few weeks exactly why half of the British population has lower than the average/median intelligence.  

Wtf is this supposed to mean?

[pedro]

I think it is quite cool.

I’m sure you won’t get lucky if you take Greta out on date in that..

[super_realist]

I think it is quite cool.

I’m sure you won’t get lucky if you take Greta out on date in that..

One of the silver linings of this virus, aside from Greggs and McDonalds shutting is that the environmental morons and hypocrites are back in their box.

[pedro]

I think it is quite cool.

I’m sure you won’t get lucky if you take Greta out on date in that..

One of the silver linings of this virus, aside from Greggs and McDonalds shutting is that the environmental morons and hypocrites are back in their box.

But they are probably wringing their hands at home. Social control and all that. It all looks promising for the upcoming revolution.

[super_realist]

I think it is quite cool.

I’m sure you won’t get lucky if you take Greta out on date in that..

One of the silver linings of this virus, aside from Greggs and McDonalds shutting is that the environmental morons and hypocrites are back in their box.

But they are probably wringing their hands at home. Social control and all that. It all looks promising for the upcoming revolution.

No one is going to care about their simpering though. It's all going to be about getting through this next 6 months, then rebuilding the economy. If only there was school for Greta to go to, she might learn something.

[pedro]

I get that we should avoid hospitals getting overloaded etc.

But did anyone bother to sit and calculate what it is going to cost society to extend the life expectancy of those at risk of dying of corona? (Which is what we are currently doing.) Avg age of those dying/ likely to die are around 80 and 90%+ have some sort of underlying illness. (Coincidently 80 is pretty close to the avg life expectancy in the UK.) My best guess would be that it’ll cost the country in the millions for each extra year we prolong each 80 year olds life.

Fair enough from a humanist pow, but less fair for the thousands of families pushed out in unemployment and misery and who were supposed to be the future of the country. Come years of recession in stead.

With 300K infected and 10K+ deaths we should have pretty good empirical evidence to assess what this virus is capable of doing.

[beninho]

Not even the tories would be able to keep going on a policy of killing people, old and younger in order to keep the rich rich. Political suicide.

[super_realist]

Keep it in perspective. I read an interesting post from a doctor that 600k people die in the UK every single year. Those that are dying are mostly those who were scheduled to die of something fairly soon anyway. We aren't going to see a population decline that wouldn't have happened anyway.
Carry on with good behaviour, but don't get carried away with hysteria.

[beninho]

Yeah, but it seems that plenty of generally fit and healthy people are ending up in critical conditions. Which will then have lifetimes worth of follow up treatments. The focus isn't just on the dead.

But, I'm not sure that these people may have died anyway, is a great take. Especially to family members.

Sorry, your dad died, but he may have died anyway.

But with the vulnerable conditions, not all are life threatening in general terms.

[super_realist]

I didnt say it was a great take, just wanted to put the numbers in perspective. Interestingly death rates for 2020 are below those of each of the last five years.

I haven't been hearing anything about healthy people ending up in a condition where they are requiring " life long treatment"
Have you got any links to that I'd be interested to read.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11213924/fit-and-healthy-woman-coronavirus/amp/

Just a couple in intensive care.

[super_realist]

Neither of which says they will require "life long treatment".

Thanks.

[super_realist]

How on earth can the chaviest of shops, Sportsdirect claim to be an essential retail outlet? It's probably the sports shop where the customers do the smallest amount of exercise.

[beninho]

Neither of which says they will require "life long treatment".

Thanks.

The life long treatment bit, is something I've read about some people who have ended up on a ventilator or been in intensive care. On top of the potential damage caused by the virus. I didn't think that needed to be spelt out. You are a clever chap.

[Soul Requiem]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11213924/fit-and-healthy-woman-coronavirus/amp/

Just a couple in intensive care.

Best to treat such stories with a bit of caution Ben, not knowing and not having are different things. You can on the face of things have a healthy person who unbeknownst to them is living with a serious underlying illness.

[super_realist]

Then show me something which says the virus is causing damage that will last a lifetime. There's a clever chap.

Anyway, for someone who is an "essential worker", aren't you leaving it a bit late to get to work?

[beninho]

I can work at home today. I have a work laptop. Though I'm expecting the critical list to be called upon at some point.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11213924/fit-and-healthy-woman-coronavirus/amp/

Just a couple in intensive care.

Best to treat such stories with a bit of caution Ben, not knowing and not having are different things. You can on the face of things have a healthy person who unbeknownst to them is living with a serious underlying illness.

That maybe the case. Unfortunately we do not know the full impact of the virus on lots of medical issues. Something pretty minor and manageable could be impacted. Asthma being a prime example. Not everyone who was on deaths door, could be seriously impacted. Diabetes, high blood pressure. The focus shouldn't be on just the ones it tops over the edge.

[beninho]

Then show me something which says the virus is causing damage that will last a lifetime. There's a clever chap.

Anyway, for someone who is an "essential worker", aren't you leaving it a bit late to get to work?

A while back NBS put up some links on the potential impacts, including lung scarring.

[super_realist]

National Building Specification? Yeah, sure they know all about it.

"Potential" impacts, so nothing about anyone actually requiring life long treatment then? Thought so.

[super_realist]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/23/fit-healthy-36-year-old-uk-nurse-intensive-care-coronavirus

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thesun.co.uk/news/11213924/fit-and-healthy-woman-coronavirus/amp/

Just a couple in intensive care.

Best to treat such stories with a bit of caution Ben, not knowing and not having are different things. You can on the face of things have a healthy person who unbeknownst to them is living with a serious underlying illness.

That maybe the case. Unfortunately we do not know the full impact of the virus on lots of medical issues. Something pretty minor and manageable could be impacted. Asthma being a prime example. Not everyone who was on deaths door, could be seriously impacted. Diabetes, high blood pressure. The focus shouldn't be on just the ones it tops over the edge.

Asthma, High Blood Pressure, Diabetes are some of  the  underlying health problems that are being talked about. Pedro is right though, the world is full of people who think they are healthy, but have latent conditions that can impair them but haven't yet manifested itself in symptoms. For example perfectly healthy people can often drop dead only to later discover some underlying cardiac issue they never knew about and had no reason to worry about. Might not be the case in these cases, but you can't just assume they're healthy without asking the question, especially as they were reported in The Guardian and The Sun, notorious for sloppy journalism.

Those with Diabetes Type 2 should really be having a good look in the mirror now, but they're probably too busy lining up at ASDA for chocolate eclairs and bacon.

[beninho]

National Building Specification? Yeah, sure they know all about it.

"Potential" impacts, so nothing about anyone actually requiring life long treatment then? Thought so.

Now, if you think that someone being on a ventilator or being in intensive care after suffering from this virus, which affects the lungs will not have any long term impacts, then that's your call. X

[super_realist]

National Building Specification? Yeah, sure they know all about it.

"Potential" impacts, so nothing about anyone actually requiring life long treatment then? Thought so.

Now, if you think that someone being on a ventilator or being in intensive care after suffering from this virus, which affects the lungs will not have any long term impacts, then that's your call. X

The truth is that neither of us knows Beninho, the only difference is that I'm not claiming to know, and you are. I've asked for citations for this, and all you can give me is an assertion. Well thanks, but I'd rather listen to an expert, rather than someone who works in housing.  People recover from respiratory issues all the time without significant damage. Will this always be the case? I don't know and you don't either.

By the way, now they're just "long term" impacts and not "life long"? Wow, they're making recovery already.

[beninho]

No, I don't know, but I'm erring on the side of things have read and the potential impacts, you are going the other way. Though, based on what I see on here, it's not a surprise we would hold differing views.

[super_realist]

No, I don't know, but I'm erring on the side of things have read and the potential impacts, you are going the other way. Though, based on what I see on here, it's not a surprise we would hold differing views.

I'm not going the other way. I'm simply not making a claim either way and you are. You are the one who initially claimed there are people who will require life long treatment. I've simply asked you to back this up and you haven't. It MAY cause long term or even life long damage, but you didn't provide any evidence of this, you just asserted that being on a ventilator in A&E automatically means long term damage. Sorry but it doesn't necessarily.

You provided two links to two people who appear to be healthy, but who you don't know and have no idea if they had an unknown latent health issues which made them A) more susceptible and B) more likely to have a more severe reaction.

This is the kind of hysteria I'm trying to guard against. A little bit of knowledge is dangerous and jumping to conclusions without knowing the full picture just leads to hysteria, and that helps no one at all.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

On testing, I am not in the know enough to comment how it should have been done but it will be interesting to compare in the years to come how countries with different testing implementation fared.

Another analysis I would be interested to see done is whether Mobile phones contributed to the spread. Has there ever a been a device that we handled so repeatedly and kept on our possession so often?  We must cough on, sneeze on them, pass them to others etc so often in a day.

All good points, Mac. Absolutely certain that they'll be doing all sorts of post hoc analyses; expert thinking is we better get used to epidemics/pandemics similar to this, so definitely worth absorbing all the lessons from this one. Next might be more deadly.

Don't know about you, but I don't pass my mobile on to anyone!

[navyblueshorts]

It's fine if you are running in empty areas. But if you are seeing enough people to then comment on the amount of people you see, you just become another person.

You see pictures all over twitter, Facebook. People saying, look at all those people where I have also been.

I'm surprised people are out running, dog walking, cycling for more then a few minutes at a time, walk the dog round the block if needs be.. It's just a bit inconsiderate in my view. I accept others will have different views.

If you're out and more than a few feet away, you aren't going to get this from the air around you. It's surface contact that's more of an issue. Still, not going to matter as UKG is going to remove most freedoms from all of us due to the inconsiderate winkers out there.

[navyblueshorts]

But WTF are people playing at? Staying at home for a few weeks isn't exactly much to ask.

Don't forget Brexit, and the f-you mentality. Much more prevalent now than it used to be.

[navyblueshorts]

"One form of exercise a day" Golf count?

Not for me - our club closed last night until further notice. Good thing though probably, as there were bunches of a-holes there over weekend w/ tinnies (bar already closed at that point) sitting around and playing rollups as if nothing abnormal was going on. This in a typical club where there's a lot of elderly members. Utter winkers.

[navyblueshorts]

Would it be poor form to try and sneak onto Muirfield?

Now or never maybe?

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