Eng V Ireland Sunday 23rd Feb 2020

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3pm at Twickers.
Ref: Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France), Assistant 2: Alexandre Ruiz (France), TMO: Marius Jonker (South Africa)

England:: Daly; May, Tuilagi, Farrell (capt), Joseph; Ford, Youngs; Marler, George, Sinckler, Itoje, Kruis, Lawes, Underhill, Curry.

Replacements: Cowan-Dickie, Genge, Stuart, Launchbury, Ewels, Earl, Heinz, Slade.




Ireland: Ireland: Larmour; Conway, Henshaw, Aki, Stockdale; Sexton, Murray; Healy, Herring, Furlong, Henderson, Ryan, O'Mahony, van der Flier, Stander.

Replacements: Kelleher, Kilcoyne, Porter, Toner, Doris, Cooney, Byrne, Earls.

So we can equal Farrells grab as an MMA leg bar? Both similar holds no?

Heaf it’s Ben O’Keefe. He’s a kiwi but loves his mates Australia. He was shocking overseeing our game against them. Blatant late charge on Halfpenny waved on, Half had to then take 6 months off through concussion. He laughed and joked with his mate David Pocock all through the game! 

Anyway, back to this.

Sausage and potato mash for dinner at the Jones household tonight

Dirtydave wrote:So we can equal Farrells grab as an MMA leg bar? Both similar holds no?

Yes it was wrong but when you take the law into your own hands it gets reversed

Go and read a rule book, if you can!

Stander struck two players, not sure why he hit Itoje. More ref’s should probably ping holding guys in the ruck, but I think this one should have been a penalty reversal and nothing more.

Itoje held 2 irish players on the floor Mikey, resulting in pulling standers shirt off, he reacted appropriately on both occasions...

Although england have targeted him, and done a great job getting under his skin, he hasn't been smart today

Ireland front rowers are very good at scoring but those sort of tries.

Ireland got humped at HQ will be the headlines.

Lol

Dirtydave wrote:He maybe tighthead, but it doesn't mean 'punching' is typical of the country... he's technically an Irish international though, unless you think looking at some of the black English players heritage and stereotyping them would be ok?

Thought not!

What have black English players got to do with Stander being a resident qualified player?

Tighthead is being his usual self but in no way are those two situations comparable

Flat second half from England, but the telling damage was done in the first.

TightHEAD wrote:

lostinwales wrote:

Dirtydave wrote:Lol you lose all credibility by calling an open hand push a punch, if your not illegally holding a player you won't get pushed off...

Wasn't a push. Was an open hand strike for want of a better word.

It was illegal. Poor example to set for Kids.

Typical Saffer.

He is an Irishman mate, don’t tar every South African with the same brush.

Sexton is past it.

Farrell has to drop him and move on.

Dull game, was expecting more than Ireland.

Dirtydave wrote:Itoje held 2 irish players on the floor Mikey, resulting in pulling standers shirt off, he reacted appropriately on both occasions...

Although england have targeted him, and done a great job getting under his skin, he hasn't been smart today

That was the first incident in a different period. I don’t have anything to add apart from my previous comment.

I'm a pretty decent standard ref, I certainly wouldn't call the games laws a rule book lol

He hasn't retaliated, because his intent is clearly to escape Farrells grasp, not retaliate against Farrell, otherwise he wouldn't have done it while trying to run from the ruck...

The picture painted for the ref is illegal player, and victim trying to escape.

Be kind

Itoje is something else

BRING ON WALES.

Bam bam

Racial stereotyping is real stereotyping, if it makes you feel uncomfortable using a more severe example of the same thing, why argue for the initial insult!

Do you think 'saffers' are typically cheating thugs?

Good performance by England but shame not to get the TBP ...

Saffers are world champs.

When is being called one an insult?

Oh dear you need a cup of tea mate and stop crying foul like the Irish winger buying a penalty.

Good performance and result from England, the opposite of what Wales tried to do to Ireland...

I don't fancy Wales chances much, I think the rush defence just killed them, despite knowing what was coming, and this England team will do very similar, but probably more effective!

Happy with the win, but. after Cowan Dickie's try, we should have had a much better tactical sense of how to get a bonus point. You can't expect it to happen but I never got the sense we were playing to get it.

A slight, slight lift of spirits in that end bit (20 minutes or so) which quite clearly showed the younger alternatives need to be given the respect to be given starts they deserve.
If Farrell wants to develop Ireland, then the players with a potential to be there in the next WC need to be the core unit to build on.

Great win for England, Ireland looked very lethargic most of the game.

No Grand Slam for Ireland this year....Could they actually stop France from Getting the Grand Slam? If they like thy did today then the answer in NO.

Johnny Sexton's kicks at goal was the worst i have seen him play....question is with him being ireland Captain. Should he actually keep his place in the squad? or is it time to bring in a new 10?

POWERFUL performance from England.

Fair play to Eddie.

Where are the sausages now?

Dirtydave wrote:Bam bam

Racial stereotyping is real stereotyping, if it makes you feel uncomfortable using a more severe example of the same thing, why argue for the initial insult!

Do you think 'saffers' are typically cheating thugs?

So your argument is that because Stander was called a Saffer (where he was born and raised until the age of around 21), its acceptable to question the "heritage" of black lads born and raised in England?

What exactly are you questioning?

Bam bam 100% on the money.

Your defending an accusation of cheating and illegal play by an Irish player as being 'typically saffer'

So answer the question, do you think SA people are 'typically' cheats and violent thugs?

Keep digging.

Enjoy your evening lol

Top work by Agent Tompkins yesterday. Equally good work by Agents Farrell and Catt today.

Stop deflecting

I didn't comment on Tightheads ridiculous post. I'm calling out your bullsh1t comment about the "heritage" of black lads. Itoje and Sinckler I assume?

Go on Dave, be a big man and call out their heritage. Let's see what you've got. Say it with your chest

Glad Ireland lost, now their fans can shut up for a day or two. It’s too much lately. You question whether an Ireland player has a cold and they swarm all over you like angry flies.

Enjoy

Well played England. Well played Eddie Jones

Folks this has got nothing to do with the game - can we move on please.

So you are refusing to answer my question?

This whole arguments pivots on racial stereotyping calling cheating and illegal violence 'typical' for a 'saffer'

Go on answer...

Dirtydave wrote:So we can equal Farrells grab as an MMA leg bar? Both similar holds no?

Farrell was offside grabbing onto Stander's leg. Ref got it spot on.

How did the TMO not call the refs attention to the no arm tackle on May after the break. Touch and go whether the tackle was late or not but there's no question that there's absolutely no attempt to wrap the arms.

Good performance by England but the attack is still lethargic with ball carriers too often being isolated. Ireland just looked predictable throughout and couldn't win the physical battle so often went backwards. If Ireland are going to persevere with that game plan they need some creativity in midfield.

majesticimperialman wrote:

Johnny Sexton's kicks at goal was the worst i have seen him play....question is with him being ireland Captain. Should he actually keep his place in the squad? or is it time to bring in a new 10?

New 10.  

And Sexton has always been highly iffy with his points kicking.  I've never ever been confident with that aspect of his game for his entire career.  

But from here on in I think he has to accept more of a mentor's role and accept perhaps a 'finisher' role off the bench if still in the side.  He took the job from O'Gara and now he's reached his end stage.

Na you're just too spineless to say what you really mean when you talk about the "heritage of black English players"

Interesting seeing Ewells go to 8 on the defensive scrums

Loving Slade's 'tache.

Pretty good hit-out for England, some top notch performances. Bit of an odd one from Eddie, mind you - Ewels on in the back row and packing down at 8? That was a serious WTF moment.

Top shift from Lawes, for all the "lock at 6" moans he carried well and put himself about. Itoje is bloody good, isn't he?

Even Youngs was pretty decent today!

Rules are rules

You can't take them into your own hands on a rugby field.

Punching a man on the floor is cowardly. Good job Farrell is made of steel.

Sam

Despite not agreeing with a late or no arm, there is definately a question to ask the TMO... I do think though that was a bit of a make up from not seeing the clear knock on by May out of the 9's hands...

Was that Sexton's last game for Ireland?

mikey_dragon wrote:Glad Ireland lost, now their fans can shut up for a day or two. It’s too much lately. You question whether an Ireland player has a cold and they swarm all over you like angry flies.

We know what you want before you express it publically, Mikey. Delighted for you that you'll be smiling for a few days anyway.

Bambam

I'm moving on, you've embarrassed yourself defending racial stereotyping, please no longer respond to me.

formerly known as Sam wrote:

Dirtydave wrote:So we can equal Farrells grab as an MMA leg bar? Both similar holds no?

Farrell was offside grabbing onto Stander's leg. Ref got it spot on.

How did the TMO not call the refs attention to the no arm tackle on May after the break. Touch and go whether the tackle was late or not but there's no question that there's absolutely no attempt to wrap the arms.

Agree with both of these, Sam. Ref got it right on the first one, and wrong on the latter. First thing I said was about the lack of arms, regardless of how late or not it may have been.

To not review it? Very odd.

We can add dave to the list of refs who dont know what the laws are then.

Dirtydave wrote:Bambam

I'm moving on, you've embarrassed yourself defending racial stereotyping, please no longer respond to me.

Chaps, suggest you just drop it?

7.5

At least your calling them laws hahahaha

So that's put me in the category of Poite? Not bad company I'd say lol

Dave/ Bam Bam that's not moving on - you'll get a short term ban if you don't move on from this argument. It's ruining the thread..