Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

I suppose it sort of makes sense with the Dyson effort because they just have to switch to blow.
Hope it works.
The self employed will have to adjust in future and get a bit closer to the NI and paye system.It has always been a bit unwritten that you can limit your contributions somewhat as self employed in the building trade and others but a big part of the economy. Again this may close a few gaps

[super_realist]

Only citation I have found on this is Gove saying "I would have thought....an hours walk is enough for most people...... but it depends on your level of fitness"

Anyway who's checking you out and in? No one, so if I want to do a two hour run, who's counting?
I went for a walk before starting work today, and I'll go for a run later. Should I be fined?

This is why we love the realist, he dont play by the rules. He's a badass.

I'm making the point it's impossible to police, my "walk" could be disguised as going to the shop. Anyway, I saw no one at 7am at all.

[beninho]

It cant be policed. That's why its guidance and the aim is for people to be responsible.

[super_realist]

Witness accounts from people who have seen people out playing golf.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/golf/coronavirus-scottish-golfers-ignore-lockdown-guidelines-2522122

Don't really see the harm in relation to that one picture Mac. The government haven't explicitly said we can't play golf. They have said we are allowed out for exercise and like you said earlier I'm not sure why this solo golfer is any worse than a dog walker.

We need to nip this curtain twitching and stasi like snitching though.

How likely are you to finish a round of golf in the hour we've been permitted for exercise?

We haven't been granted an hour. No time scale is on exercise. The stipulation is once a day, not one hour.

The advice is that people shouldn't be out of their homes for longer than an hour that includes exercise.

With one in one out at some Supermarkets that will give people about minus half an hour to do their exercising :-p
The herd mentality at supermarkets is crazy. I have a Sainsbury’s and an M&S foodhall about 80 yards from each other, a week ago the Sains looked like it could be in Chernobyl while inside the M&S looking at the shelves you wouldn’t have known there was a crisis.

It's a bit better up here from what I can see. Had to queue to get in supermarket on Sunday, but only because they didn't want people close to one another in the entrance, so entry was staggered but not restricted. Virtually everything on the shelves except dry lentils, beans and soup sort of ingredients as well as tinned goods.
Saw some sad man and his wife and he literally sprinted to get toilet paper. Idiot. There was tons.

[super_realist]

It cant be policed. That's why its guidance and the aim is for people to be responsible.

And I am responsible.

[JAS]

Only citation I have found on this is Gove saying "I would have thought....an hours walk is enough for most people...... but it depends on your level of fitness"

Anyway who's checking you out and in? No one, so if I want to do a two hour run, who's counting?
I went for a walk before starting work today, and I'll go for a run later. Should I be fined?

This is why we love the realist, he dont play by the rules. He's a badass.

He does raise a valid point though, partners son is with Wiltshire Police, look at the size of wilts on a map, he patrols North Wilts excluding Swindon (about 900 square kilometres). Have a guess at how many officers cover that area at any one time?

[beninho]

Its completely unenforceable. No idea if someone's been out 1, 2 ,3 or more times. But, I do get the driving off to a nice park half hour away os pushing the limits.

You need to limit any potential interaction with petrol stations, shops etc.

[super_realist]

Its completely unenforceable. No idea if someone's been out 1, 2 ,3 or more times.  But, I do get the driving off to a nice park half hour away os pushing the limits.

You need to limit any potential interaction with petrol stations, shops etc.

Here's a question. I've got a local small tesco at the bottom of my street. I can pop in and out in a couple of minutes and do this a few times a week, or I can drive to the big supermarket, spend 45 minutes and get most of what I need for a week, but it's far busier. More frequent visits to buy less or one trip with more risk of exposure?

[beninho]

No idea.

[McLaren]

Super

Don't flaunt the rules at this time. Stick to one exercise session per day and try to shop as infrequently as possible.

[dynamark]

Never been a fan of the big SM I get lost ! M and S food is good though.
I did go out today to Tesco smallish local but they were stocking up the section where I needed veg/chicken/cauliflour cheese closed off so I walked away and its tinned food later ill try again tomorrow.
I have the wedge out in the living room and my swing seems perfect for any challenge .

[I'm never wrong]

Read two pieces of news today. One, the head of Red Bull Formula 1 team was thinking about getting all his drivers infected so they would be OK when it all blows over, and another about a driver who was going to drive over 100 miles with his wife in the boot of his car after picking some £15 windows of eBay. What are people thinking?

[super_realist]

How are people getting on with their mullets and beards?

[navyblueshorts]

Very uncertain Mac.

Don't want to sound alarmist but I really feel sorry for you having to go through this with Trump in charge. Boris is bad enough but there is no telling what Trump might do, or more importantly not do.

Pray tell, Mac. What do you think Boris et al have done so wrong since this started? Please don't include issues relating to pre-outbreak and/or political bias...

They were clearly going to go for a herd immunity approach up until a last second change of heart. When the inevitable inquiry afterwords confirms this it will expose one of the most negligent government policies in history. Essentially they were about to entrust the decision making on an epidemiological issue to a government spin doctor. Apparently it's all hail Cummings in the NavyBLue household.

It was also left for entities like the premier league to set the agenda in the UK, when the PL is a beacon of sound decision making compared to your government you should start to worry.  

Also why are the government resistant to the idea of testing and contact tracing.


And on the NHS funding and corona thing, UK has 6.6 ICU beds per 100,000 people, compared with Germany's 29.2. Things like this will matter.

You are a berk, sir. As I recall, it was Ferguson's report that changed the approach i.e. the science. You have no evidence it was Cummings' strategy prior to that. None. Don't be d!ck re. me and my opinions etc.

The PL are worried about being sued.

UKG aren't resistant to testing or tracing. Don't you listen to the updates? They tested/tracked more than enough early on. Now? No-one gives a scheisse except as a post-pandemic research tool. Priorities and availability of decent enough testing kits.

Re. Germany and its ICU beds, I'm not sure it's reducing their mortality rate in anyway.

[navyblueshorts]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

[navyblueshorts]

My initial point, was just that the decision to play the game in front of fans including from Madrid was wrong, even at the time of making the decision.  Weirdly, I've been told I'm not allowed to hold that opinion, even though people at the time queried it.

That's it.

And of course mistakes will be made and have been made, but the whole not allowed to criticise is just crazy.

Of course you can hold that opinion. Your problem is that you routinely want to dress it via political bias. Ditto Mac.

[navyblueshorts]

Well I'm glad you are no longer saying the UK is a free market economy.
I don't agree with food banks either, but it's a bit trite to compare them to wet markets which are ruinously unhygienic, cruel and brutal.

But are a way of life for many. Commonplace in parts of Africa, for example. Not a simple problem.

[navyblueshorts]

English Golf Union said clubs courses and facilities must close. Don't know what Scottish Golf has said.

They may have said that, but it isn't government advice which is my point. Also worth noting that EGU and SGU don't have jurisdiction on anything like this. It is advisory.
If I walk the dog on a golf course and no one would grass on me, if I walked it with a 6 iron and 3 balls I end up in the paper. What's the difference? One is no more risky to health than the other.

Golf isn't an essential activity. Please don't be daft and try to be clever. You'll sound like Mike Ashley.

[super_realist]

English Golf Union said clubs courses and facilities must close. Don't know what Scottish Golf has said.

They may have said that, but it isn't government advice which is my point. Also worth noting that EGU and SGU don't have jurisdiction on anything like this. It is advisory.
If I walk the dog on a golf course and no one would grass on me, if I walked it with a 6 iron and 3 balls I end up in the paper. What's the difference? One is no more risky to health than the other.

Golf isn't an essential activity. Please don't be daft and try to be clever. You'll sound like Mike Ashley.

I'm not trying to say that it is essential, just wondering how people have made the distinction between that and walking. I don't see the difference in risk.
By the way, on my run today I saw a single playing golf on one of the munis.

[super_realist]

Well I'm glad you are no longer saying the UK is a free market economy.
I don't agree with food banks either, but it's a bit trite to compare them to wet markets which are ruinously unhygienic, cruel and brutal.

But are a way of life for many. Commonplace in parts of Africa, for example. Not a simple problem.

Way of life or not, it's occurred as a response to dictatorial rule in China and governments need to put pressure on China to stop it. Bad animal husbandry has been responsible for many animal to human diseases of the past, not just bird flu, Sars, Mars or this.

[McLaren]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

Herd immunity was never a viable strategy because the death toll would have been unacceptably high even if herd immunity was achieved. Which is not a guarantee given we don't know the percentage of those who have been infected with the virus that become immune to it in the future, or for how long that immunity lasts.

As soon as cummings made comments that this was going to be the governments policy (whether it was his idea or not) epidemiologists called it out as crazy. Someone despite it being only 2 weeks ago you seem to have forgotten the government made a hard U turn away from the herd immunity strategy. Up until the Imperial paper was made public and Italy entered a holocaust (this one is for Super, he needs something to keep him going) the government were pretty much going to do nothing.

[dynamark]

Heres a thought every day on TV and radio we see a new 'expert virologist from whatever university' wheeled out for their comment.they are coming in droves from every uni and all directions, what have they been doing the rest of the time and wouldn't it be best to get them all in a room and combine the expertise to hopefully get it right.
Back to the shopping I have to agree the local smallish store on your own in and out with a list of what you need maybe for 4 days has to be better than trailing round a football pitch sized Sainsburys with hundreds of others.
Anyone else had the thought that this a lesson not to delay stuff all the time what we do and say -saying Ill do it next year has to stop!

[Soul Requiem]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

Herd immunity was never a viable strategy because the death toll would have been unacceptably high even if herd immunity was achieved. Which is not a guarantee given we don't know the percentage of those who have been infected with the virus that become immune to it in the future, or for how long that immunity lasts.

As soon as cummings made comments that this was going to be the governments policy (whether it was his idea or not) epidemiologists called it out as crazy. Someone despite it being only 2 weeks ago you seem to have forgotten the government made a hard U turn away from the herd immunity strategy. Up until the Imperial paper was made public and Italy entered a holocaust (this one is for Super, he needs something to keep him going) the government were pretty much going to do nothing.

You spend too much time reading the tabloids.

I can see it now; Boris has gone; 'Oi Dom fancy having a crack at this pandemic, I realise you have no understanding of it at all but you're the man for me after all you got my election strategy right so what's the difference.'

[navyblueshorts]

Well I'm glad you are no longer saying the UK is a free market economy.
I don't agree with food banks either, but it's a bit trite to compare them to wet markets which are ruinously unhygienic, cruel and brutal.

But are a way of life for many. Commonplace in parts of Africa, for example. Not a simple problem.

Way of life or not, it's occurred as a response to dictatorial rule in China and governments need to put pressure on China to stop it. Bad animal husbandry has been responsible for many animal to human diseases of the past, not just bird flu, Sars, Mars or this.

Yeah, I know all that. I'm just saying it's a larger problem and I seriously doubt it's just down to a dictatorial régime. Maybe we should all go vegan?

[navyblueshorts]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

Herd immunity was never a viable strategy because the death toll would have been unacceptably high even if herd immunity was achieved. Which is not a guarantee given we don't know the percentage of those who have been infected with the virus that become immune to it in the future, or for how long that immunity lasts.

As soon as cummings made comments that this was going to be the governments policy (whether it was his idea or not) epidemiologists called it out as crazy. Someone despite it being only 2 weeks ago you seem to have forgotten the government made a hard U turn away from the herd immunity strategy. Up until the Imperial paper was made public and Italy entered a holocaust (this one is for Super, he needs something to keep him going) the government were pretty much going to do nothing.

Yeah, whatever, Mac. 'Epidemiologists' en masse did not poo-poo the idea of herd immunity. Could you cite the source re. Cummings' comments, please? Unless you can, and its reliable, you're presuming as to UKG policy based on your anti-Tory bias. For a 'scientist', you have some strange ideas as to how they should act.

It's clear you have an inside track to all the actual facts and recordings of UKG meetings etc.

[navyblueshorts]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

Herd immunity was never a viable strategy because the death toll would have been unacceptably high even if herd immunity was achieved. Which is not a guarantee given we don't know the percentage of those who have been infected with the virus that become immune to it in the future, or for how long that immunity lasts.

As soon as cummings made comments that this was going to be the governments policy (whether it was his idea or not) epidemiologists called it out as crazy. Someone despite it being only 2 weeks ago you seem to have forgotten the government made a hard U turn away from the herd immunity strategy. Up until the Imperial paper was made public and Italy entered a holocaust (this one is for Super, he needs something to keep him going) the government were pretty much going to do nothing.

You spend too much time reading the tabloids.

I can see it now; Boris has gone; 'Oi Dom fancy having a crack at this pandemic, I realise you have no understanding of it at all but you're the man for me after all you got my election strategy right so what's the difference.'

That about sums it up. Still, he has a secret back channel to all the facts. Some of the Redtops should sign you up, Mac.

[super_realist]

Well I'm glad you are no longer saying the UK is a free market economy.
I don't agree with food banks either, but it's a bit trite to compare them to wet markets which are ruinously unhygienic, cruel and brutal.

But are a way of life for many. Commonplace in parts of Africa, for example. Not a simple problem.

Way of life or not, it's occurred as a response to dictatorial rule in China and governments need to put pressure on China to stop it. Bad animal husbandry has been responsible for many animal to human diseases of the past, not just bird flu, Sars, Mars or this.

Yeah, I know all that. I'm just saying it's a larger problem and I seriously doubt it's just down to a dictatorial régime. Maybe we should all go vegan?

Without the dictatorial regime they wouldn't have needed to eat bat's and dogs.

[Soul Requiem]

I am getting quite sick of hearing this hindsight BS. Go check the news from a few weeks back and you will see the government was being questioned about its herd immunity policy from the scientific community. People knew from the beginning that the government was about to go down a catastrophic route.

By the 'scientific community'? No, I don't think that's correct. Plenty of virologists understood it fine. Like anything in science though, people disagree.

And most of this is hindsight. Just like any crappy H&S case - it all looks so obvious in hindsight. Get over it.

Herd immunity was never a viable strategy because the death toll would have been unacceptably high even if herd immunity was achieved. Which is not a guarantee given we don't know the percentage of those who have been infected with the virus that become immune to it in the future, or for how long that immunity lasts.

As soon as cummings made comments that this was going to be the governments policy (whether it was his idea or not) epidemiologists called it out as crazy. Someone despite it being only 2 weeks ago you seem to have forgotten the government made a hard U turn away from the herd immunity strategy. Up until the Imperial paper was made public and Italy entered a holocaust (this one is for Super, he needs something to keep him going) the government were pretty much going to do nothing.

You spend too much time reading the tabloids.

I can see it now; Boris has gone; 'Oi Dom fancy having a crack at this pandemic, I realise you have no understanding of it at all but you're the man for me after all you got my election strategy right so what's the difference.'

That about sums it up. Still, he has a secret back channel to all the facts. Some of the Redtops should sign you up, Mac.

Boris then enquired; 'Dom this idea of letting the old die, how's that going to work during the next election, don't they more than anyone else vote for us?'
Dom; 'Don't worry about that, just let em go, they're no use to us.'

[dynamark]

They would have done analysis the old folk dying were labour voters smoking 60 woodbine a day and 16 stone plus I did see yesterdays figure saying 'all but 4 deaths had underlying health issues' which is nothing if not relevant you just wonder how poorly these poor folk were before they got the extra problem.Out today for shop and everyone (not many about ) being very good screens on the tills so decent effort all round just need to keep the discipline for a few weeks.

[navyblueshorts]

Well I'm glad you are no longer saying the UK is a free market economy.
I don't agree with food banks either, but it's a bit trite to compare them to wet markets which are ruinously unhygienic, cruel and brutal.

But are a way of life for many. Commonplace in parts of Africa, for example. Not a simple problem.

Way of life or not, it's occurred as a response to dictatorial rule in China and governments need to put pressure on China to stop it. Bad animal husbandry has been responsible for many animal to human diseases of the past, not just bird flu, Sars, Mars or this.

Yeah, I know all that. I'm just saying it's a larger problem and I seriously doubt it's just down to a dictatorial régime. Maybe we should all go vegan?

Without the dictatorial regime they wouldn't have needed to eat bat's and dogs.

You're just picking one example of a nation w/ wet markets. It happens to have a 'dictatorship'.

[McLaren]

Navy

I think you are confused about what I am saying. Herd immunity works for some infectious diseases, it just wasn't a viable strategy for the current pandemic.

[McLaren]

March 13th and UK governments policy is still herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work


March 15th and we see epidemiologists cacking themselves over the herd immuity idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19




An individual present at the event Cummings made the herd immunity comments claims he said something along the lines of “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/22/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die

Number 10 obviously now deny this but I am willing to believe he said it.

[McLaren]

PS never read a tabloid in my life. In fact probably haven't even read a physical copy of a paper since uni (circa 2008)

[super_realist]

You'll have to do better than quote The Graudian Mac. That paper is as bad as The National for attacking any political stance its Islington elite staff don't agree with and reporting things with scant regard to context.

It is every bit as bad a paper as The Sun.

[Soul Requiem]

March 13th and UK governments policy is still herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work


March 15th and we see epidemiologists cacking themselves over the herd immuity idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19




An individual present at the event Cummings made the herd immunity comments claims he said something along the lines of “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/22/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die

Number 10 obviously now deny this but I am willing to believe he said it.

Willing to believe he said it based on political bias.

[pedro]

My new corona mask.

[beninho]

March 13th and UK governments policy is still herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work


March 15th and we see epidemiologists cacking themselves over the herd immuity idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19




An individual present at the event Cummings made the herd immunity comments claims he said something along the lines of “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/22/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die

Number 10 obviously now deny this but I am willing to believe he said it.

Willing to believe he said it based on political bias.

Now, I don't know you, or anything about you really. But, that is such a d!ckish statement. Because every one makes judgements based on their own views. It's just truth.

I dare say you make judgements based on political bias, you may not like what an opposition mp says or disagree with him based on your political bias.

Your whole schtick of saying this is non political is based on your political bias. The way the government have dealt with it is based on politics. Its life.

Other then that, have a lovely evening all. Xx

[Soul Requiem]

How is that a d1ckish statement, assuming someone said something they quite clearly didn't because you don't like their political affiliation is the d1ckish thing to do but you don't bother commenting on that. Do grow up.

[beninho]

You dont believe the Cummings line because of your political views, and therefore believe the government. It was reported by a source and put in an article, in the times originally by Tim Shipman (?). So it's pretty fair that people will believe it, and yep people will believe it if they do not trust or like the government.

See, it works both ways.. ,its not hard to understand.

[Soul Requiem]

Reported by 'a source', I don't believe it because Cummings is a savvy operator and were he to think something like that or even say it would not be in front of anyone but the inner governmental circle.

[beninho]

Cummings is very savvy, but he is also a bit out of the political norm like his call for weirdos and freaks (?) to work in the civil service. He is a a complete ideologue, and it actually sounds like to sort of think you could imagine him saying. He is quite straight talking, not like the politicians, did you see the programme on him the other week. Really interesting.

[beninho]

I did think they would throw him under a bus at the end of this, but he does have to many friends in the media, not sure they will want him on the outside.

[Soul Requiem]

Cummings is very savvy, but he is also a bit out of the political norm  like his call for weirdos and freaks (?) to work in the civil service.  He is a a complete ideologue, and it actually sounds like to sort of think you could imagine him saying.  He is quite straight talking, not like the politicians, did you see the programme on him the other week. Really interesting.

So you think someone who is very savvy and knows his parties vote base is going to suggest letting them die?

[beninho]

Yes, I just said, based on what I've seen and read, it's the sort of thing I wouldn't be surprised he had said. You have to remember cummings isn't a tory in the old school way, I'm not even sure if he's a conservative member, he actually said he wasn't.

He would appear to be an motivated by his idealistic views rather then actual political views.

[Soul Requiem]

Yes, I just said, based on what I've seen and read, it's the sort of thing I wouldn't be surprised he had said.  You have to remember cummings isn't a tory in the old school way, I'm not even sure if he's a conservative member, he actually said he wasn't.

He would appear to be an motivated by his idealistic views rather then actual political views.

So as an advisor to a Tory PM his advice was to let his base die?

[beninho]

I've said I wouldn't be surprised if he said it.

The fact that they won all of the seats in ex labour areas, also makes me think Cummings isn't the sort of person who just sees the old tory base. He's not that type of old school thinker.

[beninho]

You're looking at this in black and white, Cummings doesn't look at things that way.

[super_realist]

Anyone who has ever being involved in any project which is tasked to find a solution knows that at the initial stage all potential solutions are put forward for consideration and therefore it is not unusual using the spectacular gift of hindsight to realise that the one chosen is perhaps not the best one when things play out.

Anyway, we don't seem to be doing all that badly when compared with other countries so it doesn't seem that all that much damage has been caused by our initial mistakes at the beginning. Splitting hairs on this matter is really flogging a dead horse, we are where we are.

Incidentally, we have around 1500 deaths right now in a month from coronavirus compared to about 50,000 of other causes in the same time period. Is it really worth debating the initial response so much?

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

I think you are confused about what I am saying. Herd immunity works for some infectious diseases, it just wasn't a viable strategy for the current pandemic.

[navyblueshorts]

March 13th and UK governments policy is still herd immunity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work


March 15th and we see epidemiologists cacking themselves over the herd immuity idea.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19




An individual present at the event Cummings made the herd immunity comments claims he said something along the lines of “herd immunity, protect the economy, and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/22/no-10-denies-claim-dominic-cummings-argued-to-let-old-people-die

Number 10 obviously now deny this but I am willing to believe he said it.

Ah, the Guardian that, even now, is bashing all the UKG is trying to do at every opportunity. What a well balanced list of citations and what a superb journalistic publication.
Evidence of the standard of 'he said, she said'. I read that epidemiologist article, and it's compelling in a sense, but even he starts out by saying "When I first heard about this..." (my emphasis), so another one basing a commissioned article on hearsay? What a high set of standards you have.
UKG are being driven by science-based advice. Are you saying that's an out and out lie? You know better?

Of course you're willing to believe it because you're way too biased. Hard to take what you say seriously, far too often, because of this.

[navyblueshorts]

My new corona mask.

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