Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

by dynamark Thu 26 Mar 2020, 20:14

First topic message reminder :

I suppose it sort of makes sense with the Dyson effort because they just have to switch to blow.
Hope it works.
The self employed will have to adjust in future and get a bit closer to the NI and paye system.It has always been a bit unwritten that you can limit your contributions somewhat as self employed in the building trade and others but a big part of the economy. Again this may close a few gaps

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:09

Amir Khan is now a proponent of the tinfoil hat theory that Covid - 19 is related to 5G. He has certainly taken far too many punches in his average career.

by Soul Requiem Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:18

super_realist wrote:Amir Khan is now a proponent of the tinfoil hat theory that Covid - 19 is related to 5G. He has certainly taken far too many punches in his average career.

Average career?

Olympic silver medalist
Two time world champion
10 former world champions beaten

Yup average.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:20

Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:Amir Khan is now a proponent of the tinfoil hat theory that Covid - 19 is related to 5G. He has certainly taken far too many punches in his average career.

Average career?

Olympic silver medalist
Two time world champion
10 former world champions beaten

Yup average.

How many times has he been beaten? Five times isn't it? Most boxers would retire after that many. He should, he's clearly been damaged.

by Soul Requiem Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:27

super_realist wrote:
Soul Requiem wrote:
super_realist wrote:Amir Khan is now a proponent of the tinfoil hat theory that Covid - 19 is related to 5G. He has certainly taken far too many punches in his average career.

Average career?

Olympic silver medalist
Two time world champion
10 former world champions beaten

Yup average.

How many times has he been beaten? Five times isn't it? Most boxers would retire after that many. He should, he's clearly been damaged.

Really?

Very few boxers retire after that many defeats, better go tell almost every boxer in history that they're average for losing.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:28

Kahn should definitely retire. When was he last half decent? 10 years ago?, and he's also clearly mental

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:40

Unable prove that Alex Salmond did anything wrong apart from what some people say - dodgy guy.

Woman makes claims of kidnapping and r*** - dodgy woman.

Not sure, if I'm following the views though.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:45

beninho wrote:Unable prove that Alex Salmond did anything wrong apart from what some people say - dodgy guy.

Woman makes claims of kidnapping and r*** - dodgy woman.

Not sure, if I'm following the views though.

I think it was Mac who said that Salmond was dodgy, I don't know if he is but he's certainly slimy. As for "Duffy's" claims, they could be true, but it sounds incredibly fishy and far fetched.

by Soul Requiem Mon 06 Apr 2020, 13:54

beninho wrote:Unable prove that Alex Salmond did anything wrong apart from what some people say - dodgy guy.

Woman makes claims of kidnapping and r*** - dodgy woman.

Not sure, if I'm following the views though.

You take it on a case by case basis, you don't always back the accused or the victims.

I'll be honest there appears to be something odd about the Duffy claims.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 14:27

https://www.duffywords.com/

You think this is made up?

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 14:29

beninho wrote:https://www.duffywords.com/

You think this is made up?

Who said any of it was made up Beninho? Do you just have to comment to be contrary?
Everyone who has made mention has simply said it's suspicious, not that it's made up. Try being a bit more sceptical about things for a change before just accepting everything you have been told without question.

Do you not find the claim she was drugged and exported to another country like some sort of action novel just slightly implausible? It sounds like something out of a Ben Hope or Jack Reacher book.

She claims to have been on a plane, but was drugged in the restaurant and didn't wake up until she was in a car in a foreign country, so how does she know she was on a plane? See why people might be suspicious of such a claim? Why was there nothing in the media about her going missing? Weren't her family worried about her? Didnt the restaurant think it was odd, why didn't they notice who she was with? Didn't anyone notice she was gone? Why has no one been charged?
This would be gold for the media, they'd be all over the story finding out who was involved, as would the police.

It could be true, but it's equally a story which raises both eyebrows in regards to how plausible it is.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 14:43

Maybe its having worked with people who have suffered abuse, that I believe that what she's saying could well have happened.

I also find it strange that someone sent from winning awards and releasing a second album in 2010, to nothing at all. No albums I would assume there was a reason for this. And this is her explanation.

It may be dodgy, but I think its more likely to be not dodgy.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 14:52

beninho wrote:Maybe its having worked with people who have suffered abuse, that I believe that what she's saying could well have happened.

I also find it strange that someone sent from winning awards and releasing a second album in 2010, to nothing at all. No albums I would assume there was a reason for this. And this is her explanation.

It may be dodgy, but I think its more likely to be not dodgy.

It could well be true, but you have to admit it raises lots of questions and is therefore not a story which you can accept as being true without a good reason to believe it.

Plenty of flash in the pan music acts disappear of the face of the earth, not like she was The Rolling Stones. There's just too many questions unanswered before I would believe a story like that, I'd be gullible to believe before they were answered.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:04

So you think she may be making it up?

by Soul Requiem Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:08

beninho wrote:So you think she may be making it up?

That's looking at things too simplistically.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:09

beninho wrote:So you think she may be making it up?

Jesus, I am saying that the story is suspicious. Could it be made up? Could be, could it be true? Could be, could her recollection of the story be clouded by her alleged state of being drugged? Could be.

The bottom line is when a story like this has more questions than answers you should keep an open mind and not believe anything until proven.
Why did no one notice she was missing? Why was no one ever charged? It's a bizarre story and deserves scepticism at the very least. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and at present we have nothing more than anecdote.
Don't you think a case like this would have been centre stage in the media? The lack of any coverage on this at the time is glaring.
It's an interesting story, but I'm not prepared to believe it is true until there is good reason to do so.

by McLaren Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:14

Super

Probably best that you don't read it. She talks about God, it wouldn't be good for your mental health.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:15

McLaren wrote:Super

Probably best that you don't read it. She talks about God, it wouldn't be good for your mental health.

Her god was be so great that it allowed her to be kidnapped, drugged and interfered with for a month. What a guy.

by McLaren Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:18

Super

She probably knew the perpetrator, it could easily have been her partner at the time.

He books a weekend away, but instead of making it romantic he drugs and rapes her. If you view it as domestic abuse rather than a "taken" plot it suddenly seems like a much less remarkable claim.

It could easily seem like a very normal situation to family and friends from the outside but actually quite sinister.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:19

If it's true its sounds horrendous.

If it isn't, we will probably never found out.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:21

Mac, it's the incredulity of drugging someone and taking them to a foreign country which stretches credibility.
Why didn't she name the country? I accept she could have been transported to France via the tunnel in a car, but I don't buy she could have been moved by a plane as she claimed.
Still doesn't explain why no one has been charged for it.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:26

I don't think every r*** or form of DA is convicted through the courts unfortunately.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 15:29

beninho wrote:I don't think every r*** or form of DA is convicted through the courts unfortunately.

There would be mountains of evidence of this alleged crime, not least the restaurant and the means of transportation . Seems odd that it hasn't been at the very least reported by anyone other than her.
Of course not every case leads to a prosecution or even a trial, but this story is a very odd one that just seems to raise too many questions for anyone to accept it is true until it has been proven. You have to be sceptical about a story like this.

by **navyblueshorts** Mon 06 Apr 2020, 16:13

super_realist wrote:Disgraceful and cynical of Liverpool to be furloughing staff. Any club or business with as much money as Premiership Football clubs should not be leaning on the government at this time. There is more than enough strain on the system without businesses like them taking the p!ss.

Joke isn't it? Want to save money? Furlough the expensive outgoings from staff i.e. players. They're only sitting on their arses at the moment anyway.

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 19:09

Anyway, good to see Sir Keir in as leader. Not bad shadow cabinet aswell. Glad Ed Miliband is back, seems a real genuine guy. And Nandy came across well. Hopefully this will make things a bit more interesting.

by super_realist Mon 06 Apr 2020, 19:35

No room for Corbyn in a skirt, Rebbeca Wrong Daily either, a good indication that Labour are going to becoming more centrist. Doubt they can win the next election unless Coronavirus has a significant effect on the current government, but a positive move for politics in this country to take us away from the turgid years of Momentum and the Cringeworthy Corbyn, Dopey Diane and Mad McDonnel.

by kwinigolfer Mon 06 Apr 2020, 20:24

Might be another leadership contest in GB if BoJo continues his downward trend . . . . . . .

by beninho Mon 06 Apr 2020, 20:28

Rlb does have a shadow post education I think. Boris in intensive care is bonkers, only a few weeks ago he was talking about shaking hands with sufferers on the ward.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 09:30

super_realist wrote:No room for Corbyn in a skirt, Rebbeca Wrong Daily either, a good indication that Labour are going to becoming more centrist. Doubt they can win the next election unless Coronavirus has a significant effect on the current government, but a positive move for politics in this country to take us away from the turgid years of Momentum and the Cringeworthy Corbyn, Dopey Diane and Mad McDonnel.

Momentum are embedded and they've implied they'll fight any attempt to water them down. Starmer might need to call Blair via a back channel to find out how old Labour neutered Militant...

You do know you sounds a bit like that pillock, Trump, by giving everyone you dislike, an insulting prefix?

kwinigolfer wrote:Might be another leadership contest in GB if BoJo continues his downward trend . . . . . . .

Think Cabinet recommend to HRH who'll step up as PM. Don't think there'll be another formal contest.

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 09:41

That would be extremely stupid of Labour to pander to momentum. If they allow them to call the shots then they'll just become as insignificant as the Lib Dems.

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:02

Super

Are you gutted it wasn't Corbyn that got full blown covid?

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:10

McLaren wrote:Super

Are you gutted it wasn't Corbyn that got full blown covid?

I wouldn't really want anyone to catch it Mac even someone as revolting, old, worthless and feeble as Corbyn.
There's enough SNP vermin waiting for Boris to die without me saying I'd want Corbyn to kick the bucket.

by Soul Requiem Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:15

Starmer is already using his words far more constructively than Corbyn ever did.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:16

Soul Requiem wrote:Starmer is already using his words far more constructively than Corbyn ever did.

Not difficult.

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:45

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Super

Are you gutted it wasn't Corbyn that got full blown covid?

I wouldn't really want anyone to catch it Mac even someone as revolting, old, worthless and feeble as Corbyn.
There's enough SNP vermin waiting for Boris to die without me saying I'd want Corbyn to kick the bucket.

But it does seem fair that Boris will become a victim of his initial idiotic herd immunity strategy. He is like a Darwin award squared. He has caused his death on two levels, the herd immunity pseudoscience and merrily going about shaking covid patients hands (and boasting about it).

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:48

There's nothing wrong with the "herd immunity" idea, in fact it's the preferable option. However the problem with it is the insinuation that everyone should have it at the same time or get it as soon as possible.

There's nothing wrong with the idea if done over a long period of time. The evidence is that antibody build up after other flus and coronavirus in individuals does actually occur and can last years, so it's not pseudoscience. The reason it was a bad idea was because it would have overstretched the health system.

By the way Mac, he's not dead.

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 10:55

Super

Exactly, but pseudo science often relies on real scientific ideas and just distorts what the evidence shows. For example herd immunity is something confirmed by the scientific method but that doesn't mean you can apply to every scenario. No reputable epidemiologist was recommending herd immunity, it was a government owned think tank.

And one of the very reasons they were not recommending herd immunity in this case is the situation boris now finds himself in.

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:03

McLaren wrote:Super

Exactly, but pseudo science often relies on real scientific ideas and just distorts what the evidence shows. For example herd immunity is something confirmed by the scientific method but that doesn't mean you can apply to every scenario. No reputable epidemiologist was recommending herd immunity, it was a government owned think tank.

And one of the very reasons they were not recommending herd immunity in this case is the situation boris now finds himself in.

Mac you need to get it out of your head that one particular country has got the right method and did it immediately. Most countries have an issue and could have done stuff better.
How do you know that the UK herd immunity came from a think tank and not medical advice? You don't, so stop surmising.

by Davie Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:05

Herd immunity was never a strategy - is was (and is) a desired outcome at the cheapest cost to human life possible

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:14

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:Super

Are you gutted it wasn't Corbyn that got full blown covid?

I wouldn't really want anyone to catch it Mac even someone as revolting, old, worthless and feeble as Corbyn.
There's enough SNP vermin waiting for Boris to die without me saying I'd want Corbyn to kick the bucket.

But it does seem fair that Boris will become a victim of his initial idiotic herd immunity strategy. He is like a Darwin award squared. He has caused his death on two levels, the herd immunity pseudoscience and merrily going about shaking covid patients hands (and boasting about it).

Still buying the herd immunity meme, eh?

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:17

McLaren wrote:Super

Exactly, but pseudo science often relies on real scientific ideas and just distorts what the evidence shows. For example herd immunity is something confirmed by the scientific method but that doesn't mean you can apply to every scenario. No reputable epidemiologist was recommending herd immunity, it was a government owned think tank.

And one of the very reasons they were not recommending herd immunity in this case is the situation boris now finds himself in.

Stop.Talking.Nonsense. You have no evidence of this, or actual Minutes of the meeting where this might have been raised. Even if it was was mooted, you have no idea of context i.e. whether it was taken at all seriously except as a theoretical approach. You need to consider your obvious biases before you post.

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:26

Just a meme?

https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response (this is an open letter from the British society of Immunology on the 14th of March begging the government to rethink its herd immunity policy)

https://www.ft.com/content/f3136d0a-663e-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

https://www.ft.com/content/f3136d0a-663e-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/uk-backed-off-on-herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it/

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-uk-coronavirus-robert-peston

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/04/real-reason-uk-government-pursued-herd-immunity-and-why-it-was-abandoned

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-why-the-covid-19-herd-immunity-theory-is-dangerously-flawed

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:30

The words of BJ on the 12th of March

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-on-coronavirus-12-march-2020

by Soul Requiem Tue 07 Apr 2020, 11:32

McLaren wrote:Super

Exactly, but pseudo science often relies on real scientific ideas and just distorts what the evidence shows. For example herd immunity is something confirmed by the scientific method but that doesn't mean you can apply to every scenario. No reputable epidemiologist was recommending herd immunity, it was a government owned think tank.

And one of the very reasons they were not recommending herd immunity in this case is the situation boris now finds himself in.

Nobody in government was recommending it either, this all stems from Robert Peston using the words herd immunity rather than any measure the government took themselves.

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 12:04

Have you been furloughed / laid off Mac?

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 13:20

No. Have you?

by super_realist Tue 07 Apr 2020, 13:26

by dynamark Tue 07 Apr 2020, 13:49

Does furloughed mean you have to run 220 yards every day? Three weeks ago I thought Richi had mispronounced another word.
The herd thing will surely take place before a vaccine is out for mass use but it will be over a prolonged period.Boris being sick may well make folk think and act a bit more carefully in their daily life.Spoke to a mate today who is off work and the last thing he did was phone around landlords to say they would not be paying the next 3 months rent and they have hundreds of stores.Economy is going to be battered.

by McLaren Tue 07 Apr 2020, 16:16

dyna

The landlords will be fine.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 16:54

McLaren wrote:Just a meme?

https://www.immunology.org/news/bsi-open-letter-government-sars-cov-2-outbreak-response (this is an open letter from the British society of Immunology on the 14th of March begging the government to rethink its herd immunity policy)

https://www.ft.com/content/f3136d0a-663e-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

https://www.ft.com/content/f3136d0a-663e-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/herd-immunity-will-the-uks-coronavirus-strategy-work

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/03/uk-backed-off-on-herd-immunity-to-beat-coronavirus-we-need-it/

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-uk-coronavirus-robert-peston

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/04/real-reason-uk-government-pursued-herd-immunity-and-why-it-was-abandoned

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/matt-gurney-why-the-covid-19-herd-immunity-theory-is-dangerously-flawed

Yep. Just a meme. Does any of that (I have no access to the FT) actually confirm that this was a formal UKG policy? Also, are you suggesting that if it was a policy, UKG arrived at that on their own, and with no input from advisory scientists? Are you also suggesting that such scientists were wilfully aware that they were likely to cause deaths of those who might otherwise survive?
If these articles are from journalists as good as those putting questions to ministers etc after the daily briefings, I'm not surprised they don't get the difference between fact and supposition.

by **navyblueshorts** Tue 07 Apr 2020, 16:57

McLaren wrote:The words of BJ on the 12th of March

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/pm-statement-on-coronavirus-12-march-2020

I may have skim read this, but where does it say UKG policy is to formally go for a herd immunity-driven solution? The word 'herd' isn't even present. I don't think you'd understand evidence if it looked like a large fish and someone whacked you round the head with it.

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