Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[dynamark]

First topic message reminder :

I suppose it sort of makes sense with the Dyson effort because they just have to switch to blow.
Hope it works.
The self employed will have to adjust in future and get a bit closer to the NI and paye system.It has always been a bit unwritten that you can limit your contributions somewhat as self employed in the building trade and others but a big part of the economy. Again this may close a few gaps

[navyblueshorts]

When you say demonstrate to work, what do you base that on? I'm no expert on medication at all. Where do you stand on cannabis?

In what context? That it gets people high? Δ9THC (and relatives) are well known, and proven, psychotics.

I know it gets you high, aah good old weed. But other then that, with regards to its medicinal properties?

What medicinal properties? There's a lot of research going on re. its potential analgesic properties...

[navyblueshorts]

Yeah. Rhino horn and tiger pizzle are still thought to work as a part of 'traditional' Chinese medicine. I rest my case.

Kids have been believing in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus for hundreds of years, so by JAS's view, we shouldn't discount that they could be true, because they are old beliefs.

To be fair, he was talking about medicine, not religion etc.

His criteria for it being something which has merit was how long it has been around. Besides Chinese medicine is by and large not medicine, its cultural, like voodoo or black magic, which also have been believed in and haven't died out, it doesn't mean we should give them credence does it?
Loads of old wives tales go under the umbrella of "medicine" but who on earth would believe them until they can be proven to work.

But what If someone takes or tries something and it works? who is the bastion of what does and doesn't work for people? Jas will know better on this, but who was the religious Trinidad cente back at the popes rangers, who refused an operation and prayed, and he made a very very quick recovery?

I assume you're not serious here?

[super_realist]

Yeah. Rhino horn and tiger pizzle are still thought to work as a part of 'traditional' Chinese medicine. I rest my case.

Kids have been believing in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus for hundreds of years, so by JAS's view, we shouldn't discount that they could be true, because they are old beliefs.

To be fair, he was talking about medicine, not religion etc.

His criteria for it being something which has merit was how long it has been around. Besides Chinese medicine is by and large not medicine, its cultural, like voodoo or black magic, which also have been believed in and haven't died out, it doesn't mean we should give them credence does it?
Loads of old wives tales go under the umbrella of "medicine" but who on earth would believe them until they can be proven to work.

But what If someone takes or tries something and it works? who is the bastion of what does and doesn't work for people? Jas will know better on this, but who was the religious Trinidad cente back at the popes rangers, who refused an operation and prayed, and he made a very very quick recovery?

Holy scheisse. You have to be on a mac like wind up. You cannot seriously be suggesting that prayer works.
The human body is capable of many amazing things and the remission of certain illnesses is one of them.
I will do you the courtesy of taking your comments as a complete urine extraction because no one with a brain would ever make such an example as you just have.

[I'm never wrong]

Just had the first bit of prolonged rain for several weeks now. That will help with social distancing.

[beninho]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/16/the-knowledge-marvin-andrews

[beninho]

I'm not suggesting that faith healing works. But I am suggesting that Marvin Andrew's believed his faith helped him. But I am happy to let people believe that Chinese medicine or Ayurveda medicine may work for them.

I am also not suggesting the 2 are the same.

[super_realist]

I'm not suggesting that faith healing works. But I am suggesting that Marvin Andrew's believed his faith helped him. But I am happy to let people believe that Chinese medicine or Ayurveda medicine may work for them.

I am also not suggesting the 2 are the same.

Marvin the moron Andrews can be as gullible as he likes, but it wasn't anything other than natural that helped him.
Chinese medicine is largely just culture and superstition. It is likely that a small % of the remedies work for some small things, but in general it is a complete crock of brown stuff and anybody using it over scientifically proven medicine doesn't value their life very much.
There's a reason that Chinese medicine isn't used by the world, because there is no evidence it works.
Faith means nothing, it is just believing in something when you haven't got a good reason. They can believe that Chinese medicine works if they want, just as a lunatic in the asylum can believe he's Napolean, but it doesn't make it true and we shouldnt be giving even the slightest respect to "alternative therapies" like these Chinese traditional myths.
Chinese medicine, unless any of it has been proven is every bit as worthless as homeopathy. You can't seriously be giving any credence to chi and bloody meridians.

[dynamark]

Chinese started this did they not with the strange taste in food

[super_realist]

If the arrogant idiot Marvin Andrews believed his faith/credulity was so strong he should have prayed to be at Real Madrid and not a bottom rung team in a backwards league like he ended up in.

[beninho]

I don't know Marvin Andrew's and I don't know Super Realist. But what I have read about them, i probably wouldn't pick Andrew's as the arrogant idiot.

Though, I'm  sure realist is just as good natured and charitable.

That was just being nasty for the sake of it. So apologies all round

[super_realist]

I don't know Marvin Andrew's and I don't know Super Realist. But what I have read about them, i probably wouldn't pick Andrew's as the arrogant idiot.

Though, I'm  sure realist is just as good natured and charitable.

That was just being nasty for the sake of it. So apologies all round  

I don't think you have understood why I called him arrogant.

It wasn't nasty for the sake of it at all, his arrogance is a matter of fact. Think of what he believes happened to him as a result of his prayer and tell me that is not extremely arrogant.

If he really thought that some god would cure him of injury to allow him to resume a below average career in a tinpot league  kicking a ball about but simultaneously allow millions to die in agony and suffering  for no reason whatsoever then by definition that makes him extremely arrogant, not to mention a dozen or so other things much worse.

How would you define someone who thought that a god favoured his stupid injury over millions of other people left to die?

If he really thought prayer worked, why didn't he use it for global good and not just for his personal means? That's why he's arrogant and that's why he is a selfish, self obsessed, hubrus filled moron.
You cannot describe someone who thinks in that way as anything else. He is the absolute definition of arrogant. That's one of the reasons I despise religion and Christians in particular.  Arrogant, hypocritical, deluded, self obsessed morons.

Here is a man who thinks there is a higher being who can answer his prayers, and he uses it to heal a personal injury for goodness sake.

Even if there was a god who fixed his injury but didn't answer his other prayers to help others then that makes that god an arse, and Marvin a moron for worshipping it.

Do you still think he's not arrogant? I can't see how you could possibly argue he isn't.

[beninho]

Sorry, i meant my response was a bit nasty, and that why i apologised.

I have very little I interest in Marvin Andrew's apart from once reading that story. And I'm sure I saw him in a programme once.

Anything about his claims and his beliefs, I honestly don't care. I only raised it for a laugh.

I don't have remotely strong views on religion, but I got married in a church, so would assume you think I'm some sort of crazy. And I am godfather to my niece and nephew so another black mark.

[super_realist]

I didnt think you were being nasty at all actually. I simply wanted to point out why I said Andrews was being arrogant, and it's hard not to see just how arrogant Christians like him are.

I don't think you're mad for having a wedding in a church, I wouldn't have one myself, but I have been to at least one church wedding. I also turned down a friends request to be a godfather, not just because of religion but because I don't like kids.

[Soul Requiem]

Andrews' praying worked so well that he ruined his knee even worse and missed his one opportunity at playing at the world cup.

[dynamark]

Super I nearly choked when I read 'I don't like kids' brilliant.
I'm not too keen either and Ive got two.They are at that difficult age between 8 and 48.Funny how they turned out my 2 the lad was the lazy in trouble in debt kid who is now hardworking and reliable where daughter was the clever smart athletic one who dropped out of uni selfish little ambition inconsiderate.Still time though.
Had a couple of video meeting with work on Friday and they seem to be waiting for this to go away We have around 30 empty homes (void)and we have around 30 tradesman sitting at home with van parked on the drive.Now what would most people do?

[super_realist]

I'm also finding these "pop stars" and their home concerts rather irritating. They just can't stay out of the limelight and go without attention for five minutes can they?

[westisbest]

Is that not a good thing for people who are fans of these music stars.
Something for them to do and the public to enjoy.

You do seem to find a lot of minor things irritating.

[beninho]

The Times have gone for Boris it seems. Which is generally strange. Murdoch must not be happy with something.

[super_realist]

Is that not a good thing for people who are fans of these music stars.
Something for them to do and the public to enjoy.

You do seem to find a lot of minor things irritating.

Not sure how you could enjoy watching some half bake perform their dubious "artistry" from their bedroom.

[beninho]

Is that not a good thing for people who are fans of these music stars.
Something for them to do and the public to enjoy.

You do seem to find a lot of minor things irritating.

Not sure how you could enjoy watching some half bake perform their dubious "artistry" from their bedroom.

The rolling stones one was good, as was Elton.

[super_realist]

Is that not a good thing for people who are fans of these music stars.
Something for them to do and the public to enjoy.

You do seem to find a lot of minor things irritating.

Not sure how you could enjoy watching some half bake perform their dubious "artistry" from their bedroom.

The rolling stones one was good, as was Elton.

Cannot stand Elton John, apart from Bob Dylan probably the most over-rated musician on the planet. I liked his Rocketman song, but the rest is pretty dire. Candle in the Wind is one of the worst songs ever written although it's a close run thing with Imagine, complete dirge.

[beninho]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

[navyblueshorts]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

He's good, but I've always found him irritating and the lack of credit for Taupin, for example, is annoying.

[super_realist]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

He's a bit like Dylan though in that it's almost seen as sacrilege to say you don't like them. Dylan is an atrocious singer and I can't stand him, but people don't seem to accept it if you don't like them. It's like Tarantino films, don't like them either, but it's seen as a given that you do.

[beninho]

I don't have an issue with not liking him or his songs. Sone are good some not my cup of tea.

I think though, if you have any knowledge of music, you have to accept he is a very talented musician and was from a very young age.

[beninho]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

He's good, but I've always found him irritating and the lack of credit for Taupin, for example, is annoying.

Is there a lack of credit for Taupin? I watched the rocket man movie the other week, andvit seems like a lot of credit is given to Taupin.

But he is irritating, but I also think he knows that.

[super_realist]

I don't have an issue with not liking him or his songs. Sone are good some not my cup of tea.

I think though, if you have any knowledge of music, you have to accept he is a very talented musician and was from a very young age.

I don't doubt he's a talented musician, but I do think he's over-rated as an act. I think his personality is more visible than his music and yes, he is really irritating as his defence of Harry and Meghan showed.

[westisbest]

Not an Elton John fan.

Bob Dylan though. Great talent imo.

[super_realist]

Not an Elton John fan.

Bob Dylan though. Great talent imo.

Maybe, sounds like a burst bagpipe though almost as if him and Leonard Cohen were having a competition to see who could sound worst.

[navyblueshorts]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

He's good, but I've always found him irritating and the lack of credit for Taupin, for example, is annoying.

Is there a lack of credit for Taupin? I watched the rocket man movie the other week, andvit seems like a lot of credit is given to Taupin.

But he is irritating, but I also think he knows that.

The Rocket Man film is one, literally, instance. In general, I've never really found that Taupin is mentioned, and yet his lyrics make so many of John's songs. I'm only really hair-splitting here I guess.

[super_realist]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

[navyblueshorts]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

[super_realist]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

Candle in the wind is a stinker. One of the most laughable songs ever.

[navyblueshorts]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

Candle in the wind is a stinker. One of the most laughable songs ever.

If you say so. Many liked it, even before the dubious link w/ Spencer.

[super_realist]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

Candle in the wind is a stinker. One of the most laughable songs ever.

If you say so. Many liked it, even before the dubious link w/ Spencer.

That version was even worse. Talk about putting a sprig of parsley on a dog turd.

[JAS]

Yeah. Rhino horn and tiger pizzle are still thought to work as a part of 'traditional' Chinese medicine. I rest my case.

Kids have been believing in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus for hundreds of years, so by JAS's view, we shouldn't discount that they could be true, because they are old beliefs.

So nobody has ever benefitted from acupuncture then? That’s all crackpot lunacy is it?...I kind of understand having a pop at rhino horn and tiger testicle type ingredients in traditional Chinese herbal medicine ...But again where’s the proof these things don’t work either?? Saying Chinese medicine is bunkum whilst believing western medicine is oh so scientifically better (that’s western medicine as characterised by a growing mass opioid painkiller addiction pandemic). Christ it wasn’t that long ago that western medicine considered mercury as an appropriate treatment for some ailments (thankfully that has now been accepted as bunkum.
Look Chinese medicine will have its flaws like everything else, I just don’t think that we are in a position where our belief in western medicine should put us in a totally holier than thou place with medicinal practice in other cultures.

[JAS]

...as for introducing big Marv into the debate as an example of crazy belief system. I can’t counter that at all as I’m an atheist myself. If God was a great as big Marv makes out he would have told Marv and his team mates at the time to not accept being paid via EBTs :-p

[beninho]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

Candle in the wind is a stinker. One of the most laughable songs ever.

Why?

Its not really a favourite of mine, though pretty inoffensive just would love your opinion on why you think its laughable?

[super_realist]

Yeah. Rhino horn and tiger pizzle are still thought to work as a part of 'traditional' Chinese medicine. I rest my case.

Kids have been believing in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus for hundreds of years, so by JAS's view, we shouldn't discount that they could be true, because they are old beliefs.

So nobody has ever benefitted from acupuncture then? That’s all crackpot lunacy is it?...I kind of understand having a pop at rhino horn and tiger testicle type ingredients in traditional Chinese herbal medicine ...But again where’s the proof these things don’t work either?? Saying Chinese medicine is bunkum whilst believing western medicine is oh so scientifically better (that’s western medicine as characterised by a growing mass opioid painkiller addiction pandemic). Christ it wasn’t that long ago that western medicine considered mercury as an appropriate treatment for some ailments (thankfully that has now been accepted as bunkum.
Look Chinese medicine will have its flaws like everything else, I just don’t think that we are in a position where our belief in western medicine should put us in a totally holier than thou place with medicinal practice in other cultures.

If you'd bothered to read what I had written JAS you would have seen that I said that there were bound to be some elements of Chinese Medicine which probably did work, but by and large very little of it has been scientifically proven to be effective.
You shouldn't be using "Pascal's Wager" to determine whether something should be given credit. The point to accept something as a viable form of medicine is when it is proven that the MEDICINE is having an effect and no one has ever done that with rhino horn (which is EXACTLY the same as your own hair) and tiger shaft which again has never been proven to have any medicinal properties.

Western medicine can be scientifically tested, the majority of Chinese Medicine has never been proven, for example acupuncture is supposed to target "meridians" which have never been proven to even exist.

By the way there isn't an opium painkiller addiction pandemic, but even if there was, they're still effective as painkillers, which is something that can't be said for much of Chinese medicine.

As I said earlier, if Chinese medicine was any good, we'd all be using it and it would have been scientifically verified a very long time ago. Why do you think it hasn't?

As for Marvin Andrews, why didn't he pray to play for a better club?

[super_realist]

I wouldn't say Any of Elton John's lyrics were especially good or worth mentioning.

You're entitled to your opinion...

Candle in the wind is a stinker. One of the most laughable songs ever.

Why?

Its not really a favourite of mine, though pretty inoffensive  just would love your opinion on why you think its laughable?

Have you listened to the Diana lyrics? He likens her to a walking candle trudging up a hill in the wind and rain as it's getting dark. It's total nonsense.

[beninho]

That's not the original though.

[kwinigolfer]

Saw Elton in Boston about 18 months ago - brilliant show, about 40+ years after I'd seen him at Wembley. I think you'd've enjoyed it supes.

Agree that the morphing from Marilyn Monroe into Diana was awful but at the end of the day it's all a matter of opinion.
(Speaking as a lifetime Leonard Cohen fan. There's a man who could write lyrics. Course, he started as a poet.)

[beninho]

Elton John overrated musician?

You don't have to like his songs, but he is a fabulous musician. At 11 he had a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. His piano playing is immense. His musical ability is beyond doubt and not overrated in any way.

I'm still standing is a classic, one of the greate6songs ever, in my view.

He's good, but I've always found him irritating and the lack of credit for Taupin, for example, is annoying.

Is there a lack of credit for Taupin? I watched the rocket man movie the other week, andvit seems like a lot of credit is given to Taupin.

But he is irritating, but I also think he knows that.

The Rocket Man film is one, literally, instance. In general, I've never really found that Taupin is mentioned, and yet his lyrics make so many of John's songs. I'm only really hair-splitting here I guess.

You may well be right. Though I would be pretty sure Elton would admit he wouldn't be where he is without Bernie, and vice versa. Both very talented, and luckily brought together.

I don't own any records I just know the songs, mainly after my boy watched the film sing, and always asks Alexa for I'm still standing!

[pedro]

Eltons songs are often better when performed by somebody else. Lady Gaga and George Michael for instance.

[super_realist]

Saw Elton in Boston about 18 months ago - brilliant show, about 40+ years after I'd seen him at Wembley. I think you'd've enjoyed it supes.

Agree that the morphing from Marilyn Monroe into Diana was awful but at the end of the day it's all a matter of opinion.
(Speaking as a lifetime Leonard Cohen fan. There's a man who could write lyrics. Course, he started as a poet.)

No, I wouldn't have enjoyed it Kwini. I like Rocketman, but I don't like any of his other songs at all.

In regards to lyrics, you really don't notice them until they are really terrible like Candle in the wind and Imagine, simply awful and toe curlingly embarrassing to hear.

[beninho]

Still waiting on why the original candle in the wind is so embarrassing. Unsure why you have such a problem with it.

I'm sure you've mentioned before that you don't like the Beatles either? Are you one of those people who say they don't like big acts to look cool.

Do you like, Coldplay? Rolling stones? Ed Sheeran? George Michael? Oasis? Blur?

[super_realist]

Still waiting on why the original candle in the wind is so embarrassing. Unsure why you have such a problem with it.

I'm sure you've mentioned before that you don't like the Beatles either? Are you one of those people who say they don't like big acts to look cool.

Do you like, Coldplay? Rolling stones? Ed Sheeran? George Michael?  Oasis? Blur?

First of all it's a dirge of a melody, secondly the lyrics are cringeworthy and gibberish, I also really hate Elton John's voice in virtually every song he does. It's just horrible. Contrived and insincere.

I'm not a fan of the Beatles either, other than the Revolver album. I've always mentioned that I don't like George Michael either, not a single song.

I've previously given a list for Diggers benefit (wherever he went to no one knows) so I'll not go over it again.

[Soul Requiem]

Still waiting on why the original candle in the wind is so embarrassing. Unsure why you have such a problem with it.

I'm sure you've mentioned before that you don't like the Beatles either? Are you one of those people who say they don't like big acts to look cool.

Do you like, Coldplay? Rolling stones? Ed Sheeran? George Michael?  Oasis? Blur?

Out of those mentioned I like the Beatles and the Stones for instance, can take or leave Oasis and Blur. Coldplay, Sheeran and George Michael are dire though as is most popular music where image is almost more important than actual talent. I wouldn't for instance think anything of you not liking a black metal band like Bathory, incredibly talented musicians but i'm fully aware are to very few peoples taste.

[super_realist]

When I first heard Ed Sheeran, I thought it was a novelty joke, but he was deadly serious. Dreadful music, but clearly aimed at the under 20 demographic, so not surprising I don't like it.

[beninho]

Music is subjective. But, I also think being a music fan shouldn't pigeon hole you in to certain types. And, while some mega acts are not to everyone's taste it's hard to just dismiss all songs because an act us huge. Coldplay have some good songs, some dull ones and lots of meh. I'm not big on Jazz, but can accept the musical talent.

My metal days were very much in the 90s, I think the heaviest I brought was Slayer or Machinehead. Still ask Akexa for the odd Pantera song though, and definitely still love Rage against the Machine. Though I think Nirvana were my first love in music.

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