Glasgow and Edinburgh ongoing banter thread 24 - Covid funtimes

by **RDW** Mon 20 Apr 2020, 12:10 am

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https://www.606v2.com/t69038p1050-glasgow-and-edinburgh-banter-thread-no-23-new-season-new-thread

Fixtures

Glasgow - none

Edinburgh - none

Scotland - none

Sad

by Hazel Sapling Thu 27 Aug 2020, 4:42 pm

Ulster could be in a bit of a mess and I doubt they will be the last side to have issues around it.

How does it work with testing? If they get a negative test back in two days, do they still need to self isolate?

by bsando Thu 27 Aug 2020, 4:49 pm

If it is affecting first team Ulster players you'd hope for a bit common sense and have the Pro 14 delay the semi so they can play? It's not like they need to rearrange fans tickets or anything so hopefully it won't be a problem to adjust it. I'm sure they've accounted for such an eventuation anyway, everyone needs to be flexible in these disrupted times.

by **BigGee** Thu 27 Aug 2020, 5:28 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:Ulster could be in a bit of a mess and I doubt they will be the last side to have issues around it.

How does it work with testing? If they get a negative test back in two days, do they still need to self isolate?

It will depend upon what level of contact the players will have been perceived to have had with anyone positive, but anyone felt to have been in close proximity will need to isolate for 14 days, despite what tests might show in the interim.

The only point in doing testing that soon is to try and identify other potential positive cases earlier on and further isolate their contacts and so limit the spread more generally. If it becomes widespread throughout the squad, you can beat they will stand them all down for 14 days, you can't risk it spreading into another squad.

by **RDW** Thu 27 Aug 2020, 11:08 pm

Can't imagine the government will be overly keen on them travelling across the water if there's a Covid risk. Could get messy!

by **BigGee** Sat 29 Aug 2020, 10:38 pm

https://www.theoffsideline.com/huw-jones-glasgow/?v=79cba1185463

Shuggy seems quite happy playing 15!

I tend to agree with him, that he feels that he just wants to be on the field and playing and if he does that, we will likely see the best of him, wherever he plays.

by jimbopip Sat 29 Aug 2020, 11:48 pm

Here's some interesting stats from the peerless Disco at On Top Of The Moon.

Glasgow have played 28 times in away matches against Edinburgh in the professional era.

The 3 points scored by the Edinburgh yesterday are the fewest conceded by Glasgow in any of those games.

Yesterday's victory was Glasgow's 1st away win against Edinburgh since 26th December 2016 and just their 5th away win in the last 20 years against their oldest rivals.

Glasgow have now played 55 games in total versus Edinburgh (home & away) since the start of the professional era. There have been 27 wins for Glasgow, 25 wins for Edinburgh and 3 draws.

The aggregate score in the series stands at:

Glasgow 1,119 - 1,120 Edinburgh

Some would say there's nothing in it. Schiz and tigertattie would probably disagree.

by bsando Sun 30 Aug 2020, 2:09 pm

Hutchinson scores first try for Northampton this afternoon

by funnyExiledScot Sun 30 Aug 2020, 8:01 pm

Hogg and Harris on the scoresheet as well.

by bsando Mon 31 Aug 2020, 4:12 am

Yeah Harris seems to have his tail up this year, making a lot of good breaks and really solidified his position at Gloucester. He’s won me over.

by EST Mon 31 Aug 2020, 9:58 am

Young Cameron Henderson got himself a try as well - he looks a real talent. Glasgow will be kicking themselves he has slipped through the net.

by **NeilyBroon** Mon 31 Aug 2020, 10:25 am

EST wrote:Young Cameron Henderson got himself a try as well - he looks a real talent. Glasgow will be kicking themselves he has slipped through the net.

I think Glasgow should be kicking themselves for the amount of academy players they've dropped who could have been useful in the back and second row!

by **RDW** Mon 31 Aug 2020, 10:25 am

Watched the Gloucester game - they were running riot in the first half and Harris set up a nice try and scored one too.

by **NeilyBroon** Mon 31 Aug 2020, 10:31 am

RDW wrote:Watched the Gloucester game - they were running riot in the first half and Harris set up a nice try and scored one too.

Aye agree with bsando here, he's definitely won me over and is a good pair of hands.

That being said Hutchinson's try and set up were excellent too! He's currently playing at 12 it seems. Still think he could make an impact in a Scotland shirt.

by bsando Mon 31 Aug 2020, 12:09 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:
RDW wrote:Watched the Gloucester game - they were running riot in the first half and Harris set up a nice try and scored one too.

Aye agree with bsando here, he's definitely won me over and is a good pair of hands.

That being said Hutchinson's try and set up were excellent too! He's currently playing at 12 it seems. Still think he could make an impact in a Scotland shirt.

The Hutchinson/Harris combo could be a real winner if Toonie thinks to give it a go this Autumn, it would probably my starting centre combo with Jones at 23 to cover.

by EST Mon 31 Aug 2020, 2:20 pm

Harris is definitely playing well at Gloucester, and cementing his position in the national team - credit to him.

Hunter-Hill starting again for Sarries today - good to see him getting regular game time too.

by **RDW** Mon 31 Aug 2020, 11:46 pm

CHH seems to be the first choice lock pairing with Itoje which is great for him - I know Sarries have lost a few locks but it's good to see him playing regularly. He'll learn a hell of a lot playing in that pack.

by EST Tue 01 Sep 2020, 9:57 am

Absolutely - these games will be great for him.

It's a slight shame he will be playing Championship rugby next season, just when he is getting a taste for this level, but in the long run if he comes back up as one of Sarries starting locks that can only be a good thing.

by Tramptastic Tue 01 Sep 2020, 10:16 am

So, Edinburgh v Ulster Semi Final confirmed for Saturday (covid permittin')

Neither team played well in the last round, both losing, Edinburgh were were playing a 2nd string team, likely to make wholesale changes.

Expectations? I'm a bit at odds about this one, if this had been an uninterrupted season and Edinburgh had carried on their fantastic form before covid struck, I'd back Edinburgh to win comfortable (10pt margin) but now? It's too hard to tell what kind of form either team really have.

I think the money is still fairly safe with a bet on Edinburgh winning but probably at a narrower margin - Edinburgh by 3

Edinburgh to get a subsequent thumping in the final against Leinster

by **RDW** Tue 01 Sep 2020, 10:29 am

Edinburgh should be favourites - home advantage and Ulster haven't shown any form in the 2 games back. At least we did relatively well in the first game!

by EST Tue 01 Sep 2020, 10:33 am

Is there much home advantage these days? Ulster did have their prep interrupted by Covid, but unsure of the details around that.

I think it will be a very close game, Edinburgh slight favourites but don't think there is a great deal in it.

by Tramptastic Tue 01 Sep 2020, 11:58 am

On a slightly unrelated note, been watching the highlights of all the exeter games to see how our scottish chiefs are getting on - Hogg looks like he's dropped a whole load of excess timber! the lads a machine now!

I wonder if that's a difference in gym/fitness routines between two different clubs or whether it's a personal decision from Hogg to work on the fitness side of things?

by **NeilyBroon** Tue 01 Sep 2020, 1:12 pm

Hogg has been thriving in the premiership so far. He's steadily cementing himself as one of our greatest FBs of all time, if not the greatest. It's difficult to see beyond him for the next couple of seasons at least if his form continues and he remains injury free. I think he's had a try almost every game back so far. The fact that kinghorn is a very good player and Maitland is an intelligent winger and fullback yet Hogg is still a cut above is testament to how good he is.

JG seems to be doing what he does best. He still tends to flop into contact though. He needs to look at Hill's running game and apply some of that to his own. He seems to struggle to get up to speed, unlike his brother and Cummings. He's still an excellent player but he needs to make himself more difficult to play against.

Sam HC as I've said earlier looks excellent. Definitely worthy of a squad place and offers cap experience that neither of our young options, Sheil or Dobie, currently have.

Skinner is on a bit of a quiet one at the moment. If I were the Glasgow recruiter I'd be on the phone asking if he fancies moving to play back row in Scotland and get more starting opportunities. I know money is an issue but he may be interested in a lateral move if he gets more gametime.

by EST Tue 01 Sep 2020, 4:33 pm

NeilyBroon wrote:Hogg has been thriving in the premiership so far. He's steadily cementing himself as one of our greatest FBs of all time, if not the greatest. It's difficult to see beyond him for the next couple of seasons at least if his form continues and he remains injury free. I think he's had a try almost every game back so far. The fact that kinghorn is a very good player and Maitland is an intelligent winger and fullback yet Hogg is still a cut above is testament to how good he is.

JG seems to be doing what he does best. He still tends to flop into contact though. He needs to look at Hill's running game and apply some of that to his own. He seems to struggle to get up to speed, unlike his brother and Cummings. He's still an excellent player but he needs to make himself more difficult to play against.

Sam HC as I've said earlier looks excellent. Definitely worthy of a squad place and offers cap experience that neither of our young options, Sheil or Dobie, currently have.

Skinner is on a bit of a quiet one at the moment. If I were the Glasgow recruiter I'd be on the phone asking if he fancies moving to play back row in Scotland and get more starting opportunities. I know money is an issue but he may be interested in a lateral move if he gets more gametime.

I hope he manages to get the Lions caps his career deserves in SA - one hell of a player and in red hot form just now.

by **NeilyBroon** Tue 01 Sep 2020, 4:40 pm

EST wrote:
NeilyBroon wrote:Hogg has been thriving in the premiership so far. He's steadily cementing himself as one of our greatest FBs of all time, if not the greatest. It's difficult to see beyond him for the next couple of seasons at least if his form continues and he remains injury free. I think he's had a try almost every game back so far. The fact that kinghorn is a very good player and Maitland is an intelligent winger and fullback yet Hogg is still a cut above is testament to how good he is.

JG seems to be doing what he does best. He still tends to flop into contact though. He needs to look at Hill's running game and apply some of that to his own. He seems to struggle to get up to speed, unlike his brother and Cummings. He's still an excellent player but he needs to make himself more difficult to play against.

Sam HC as I've said earlier looks excellent. Definitely worthy of a squad place and offers cap experience that neither of our young options, Sheil or Dobie, currently have.

Skinner is on a bit of a quiet one at the moment. If I were the Glasgow recruiter I'd be on the phone asking if he fancies moving to play back row in Scotland and get more starting opportunities. I know money is an issue but he may be interested in a lateral move if he gets more gametime.

I hope he manages to get the Lions caps his career deserves in SA - one hell of a player and in red hot form just now.

He may be the only Scottish player who does, provided he stays injury free this time.

by bsando Wed 02 Sep 2020, 8:11 am

NeilyBroon wrote:Hogg has been thriving in the premiership so far. He's steadily cementing himself as one of our greatest FBs of all time, if not the greatest. It's difficult to see beyond him for the next couple of seasons at least if his form continues and he remains injury free. I think he's had a try almost every game back so far. The fact that kinghorn is a very good player and Maitland is an intelligent winger and fullback yet Hogg is still a cut above is testament to how good he is.

JG seems to be doing what he does best. He still tends to flop into contact though. He needs to look at Hill's running game and apply some of that to his own. He seems to struggle to get up to speed, unlike his brother and Cummings. He's still an excellent player but he needs to make himself more difficult to play against.

Sam HC as I've said earlier looks excellent. Definitely worthy of a squad place and offers cap experience that neither of our young options, Sheil or Dobie, currently have.

Skinner is on a bit of a quiet one at the moment. If I were the Glasgow recruiter I'd be on the phone asking if he fancies moving to play back row in Scotland and get more starting opportunities. I know money is an issue but he may be interested in a lateral move if he gets more gametime.

I agree with you on J Gray, he does seem a little lacking in the running game these past few seasons. When he hit the international scene he was making more breaks but his defence seems to rule his game at the moment. Hopefully we'll see a change to his game by next year, but he's in such a good team he'll undoubtedly improve.

I've liked Hogg's work ethic so far at Exeter, he's doing a good job. He has definitely lost a little bit of pace but that was inevitable, all the best speedsters eventually lose some as they get older. He still seems to be skinning defences and making breaks though and he seems way better tactically than he once was. If he can close out his career with a Premiership title, a Champions Cup title, Lions test start and the holy grail... a 6N title! That would be the cherry on the cake and probably cement him as Scotland's finest player of all time. Need that 6N's title though

by **RDW** Wed 02 Sep 2020, 11:05 am

https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/new-format-for-2020/21-heineken-champions-cup

Everyone following this...?

Headscratch

by **BigGee** Wed 02 Sep 2020, 11:16 am

By the sojnd of things Glasgow will be getting lined up against 2 Heavyweights

At least we won't have to play Leinster

Edinburgh should get a much better draw especially if they make the final and then win

by Hazel Sapling Wed 02 Sep 2020, 12:42 pm

The way Glasgow drop into Tier 4 would be if they do it on points (Connacht had 40 finishing 4th whilst Glasgow had 38 finishing 3rd). I read it as 8 groups of 3 with home and away games. Top team goes through, lower two teams create a Challenge Cup last 16.

Honestly have no idea. Waiting for wiki to clear it up.

by **RDW** Wed 02 Sep 2020, 12:45 pm

I don't get why it's 2 pools of 12 but the pools are then split into mini pools.

Why not, you know, just have groups of 4 from the outset?

by RugbyFan100 Wed 02 Sep 2020, 1:14 pm

RDW wrote:https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/new-format-for-2020/21-heineken-champions-cup

Everyone following this...?

Leinster will be tier 1 no matter what, If Munster beat Edinburgh in the final then it's Munster 1, Leinster 2 (Tier 1) and then Edinburgh in Tier 2 with Ulster.

PRO14 are the ones that nominate their teams to EPCR.

by RugbyFan100 Wed 02 Sep 2020, 1:28 pm

Now saying both the finalists will be guaranteed tier 1:

@stuart_bathgate
A PRO14 spokesperson said: "Our two finalists will be in Tier One. The two losing semi-finalists will be in Tier Two."
EPCR have said they take rankings from the individual leagues.
So Leinster not guaranteed Tier One.

What a shambles, nobody knows the rules.

by demosthenes Wed 02 Sep 2020, 2:03 pm

So if Glasgow are in Tier 4, they would play against the top two teams from the English Prem and the Top 14? So (at present) Exeter; Sale; Bordeaux; and Lyon.

Should be fun!

As for Edinburgh, thats a lot less certain as it depends on whether they are T1 or T2. But on paper a lot easier draw.

by Hazel Sapling Wed 02 Sep 2020, 2:53 pm

Racing, Toulon, Wasps and Bristol are the other set Glasgow could face if we are Tier 3 (English sides still liable to change)

The French teams are terrifying. Toulouse and Montpellier are Tier 4 for Top 14 because all the internationals were away at the start of the season. That could be Edinburgh's draw

by tigertattie Thu 03 Sep 2020, 2:13 am

Anyone know why big Ritchie was taken out the Glasgow side at the weekend?

by **BigGee** Thu 03 Sep 2020, 7:07 am

Covid precautions

Someone in his familly was showing some symptoms so he had to isolate

by RugbyFan100 Thu 03 Sep 2020, 9:13 am

https://twitter.com/willgkelleher/status/1301254422941622273

by tigertattie Thu 03 Sep 2020, 9:38 am

BigGee wrote:Covid precautions

Someone in his familly was showing some symptoms so he had to isolate

Hopefully he and his family are ok.

by EST Thu 03 Sep 2020, 10:18 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:https://twitter.com/willgkelleher/status/1301254422941622273

So they've decided qualification via the pools position, and then the seeding via the total points?

by RugbyFan100 Thu 03 Sep 2020, 10:23 am

EST wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:https://twitter.com/willgkelleher/status/1301254422941622273

So they've decided qualification via the pools position, and then the seeding via the total points?

They initially decided it all by position I think, then realised that if they do it this way it favours the Irish teams more, so they changed it late last night to this system because it favours Connacht.

by EST Thu 03 Sep 2020, 10:46 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
EST wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:https://twitter.com/willgkelleher/status/1301254422941622273

So they've decided qualification via the pools position, and then the seeding via the total points?

They initially decided it all by position I think, then realised that if they do it this way it favours the Irish teams more, so they changed it late last night to this system because it favours Connacht.

They are also ranking the first two tiers by league position - the four semi finalists. So half of the seeding via league position and half by total points. A.Shambles.

by bsando Thu 03 Sep 2020, 11:07 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08q7kfv

Andy Burke and Tom English discussing Edinburgh's Pro14 semifinal with Cockers.

I didn't realise Ulster had so many high profile injuries, that will probably make the task a little easier but Edinburgh need to stay sharp. We all know Dan McFarland is an excellent coach so I'm expecting a tough battle regardless.

If they do make the final it would be incredible if Munster somehow make it too. I'd love to see Edinburgh get another shot against them, but Leinster have to be heavy favourites.

by EST Thu 03 Sep 2020, 12:09 pm

bsando wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08q7kfv

Andy Burke and Tom English discussing Edinburgh's Pro14 semifinal with Cockers.

I didn't realise Ulster had so many high profile injuries, that will probably make the task a little easier but Edinburgh need to stay sharp. We all know Dan McFarland is an excellent coach so I'm expecting a tough battle regardless.

If they do make the final it would be incredible if Munster somehow make it too. I'd love to see Edinburgh get another shot against them, but Leinster have to be heavy favourites.

I hadn't quite appreciated that either - Henderson will be a massive loss, he is the heartbeat of that Ulster pack.

Like you, still think it will be close but advantage slightly with Edinburgh. I'm not sure it will matter too much whoever reaches the final though - Leinster look unstoppable at this level.

by Hazel Sapling Thu 03 Sep 2020, 3:49 pm

Looking at the Leinster side picked, Munster have a shot at turning them over. The centres in particular is going to be a great duel.

Would probably pick the field over Leinster at the moment though not by much.

Edinburgh are favourites over Ulster due to Ulster's injury list. Henderson, Reidy, Marshall, Addison and Balacoune definitely out with J Murphy, McCloskey and Stockdale questionable. That is the starting 11 - 15 out and potentially three of the pack. Edinburgh are 2-5 to win the game according to the Irish times and been listed as 6 point favourites.

by **BigGee** Thu 03 Sep 2020, 6:13 pm

https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/ashe-to-leave-glasgow-warriors

Adam Ashe and Charrlie Capps to leave Glasgow to pursue other interests.

Don't really know a great deal about Capps, other than he was on the bench for us last weekend. having not broken through at 23, maybe he sees a different career as a bigger priority.

Adam Ashe has been our great enigma. Seemed to have all the skills but could never stay fit and latterly never really looked like he really wanted it badly enough. Seemed to get more satisfaction from persuing his mindfulness agenda. Important stuff no doubt, but maybe not what he should have been focusing on if he really wanted to push on with his rugby career.

DW, for all of his smiling face and easy demeanour, certainly does seem to have the hard edge that all coaches need and even more so in the current climate, for cutting out the dead wood from his squad.

by **BigGee** Thu 03 Sep 2020, 8:22 pm

https://www.theoffsideline.com/london-scottish-search-promised-land/?v=79cba1185463

Plans for London Scottish?

by bsando Thu 03 Sep 2020, 11:19 pm

BigGee wrote:https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/ashe-to-leave-glasgow-warriors

Adam Ashe and Charrlie Capps to leave Glasgow to pursue other interests.

Don't really know a great deal about Capps, other than he was on the bench for us last weekend. having not broken through at 23, maybe he sees a different career as a bigger priority.

Adam Ashe has been our great enigma. Seemed to have all the skills but could never stay fit and latterly never really looked like he really wanted it badly enough. Seemed to get more satisfaction from persuing his mindfulness agenda. Important stuff no doubt, but maybe not what he should have been focusing on if he really wanted to push on with his rugby career.

DW, for all of his smiling face and easy demeanour, certainly does seem to have the hard edge that all coaches need and even more so in the current climate, for cutting out the dead wood from his squad.

Yeah sometimes it has to be done. Ashe to most of us by now was not really in the chat when it came to Scotland despite his potential. He may well do better at a new club and a change of scenery

by Kingshu Thu 03 Sep 2020, 11:49 pm

BigGee wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/london-scottish-search-promised-land/?v=79cba1185463

Plans for London Scottish?

London Welsh have mentioned a move before, it also comes up if the Prem is ringfenced teams like Ealing trailfinders said they would want to join Pro 14. I can't ever see it happening. Even if the RFU was ok with it the PRL definitely wouldn't.

If you flip it, would the SRU be happy for the RFU to set up a team in Glasgow to play in the English Prem and target Scottish born players to play for them and adventually England? Would Warriors be happy to have another team in Glasgow drawing away potentional supporters and playersthat may have turned up for them.

As much as I would love London Irish/Scottish supported by IRFU/SRU to be in the Pro 14 its dead before it even starts.

I can certainly appreciate the SRU wanting a 3rd team but I think Aberdeen or Borders is best bet. As a left field proposal I have mentioned since Jagures have been kicked out of SR if Arg and Spain could collaborate to create a team in Spain with Arg players, it may be an option for the Pro 14, what if the SRU and Spain worked together to creat Spanish Scottish?

by Kingshu Fri 04 Sep 2020, 12:05 am

Thinking on ot, I'm pretty sure the SRU are happy to have LS in the championship and if prem is ringfenced to be outside it. They can then work closly with them. I'm sure the SRU run an exiles programme where Glasgow and Edinburgh acamadies pick up players in positions they need. They can work with LS and help fund thier acamady to pick up the 3rd choice ones or ones thst may be late developers and if they prove themselves at LS could be picked up by either a prem team or Glasgow and Edinburgh but hopefully still want to play for Scotland.

In all it would suit the SRU to have LS as a feeder club to Glasgow and Edinburgh, but would never be able to be equals.

by **NeilyBroon** Fri 04 Sep 2020, 8:25 am

Kingshu wrote:
BigGee wrote:https://www.theoffsideline.com/london-scottish-search-promised-land/?v=79cba1185463

Plans for London Scottish?

London Welsh have mentioned a move before, it also comes up if the Prem is ringfenced teams like Ealing trailfinders said they would want to join Pro 14. I can't ever see it happening. Even if the RFU was ok with it the PRL definitely wouldn't.

If you flip it, would the SRU be happy for the RFU to set up a team in Glasgow to play in the English Prem and target Scottish born players to play for them and adventually England? Would Warriors be happy to have another team in Glasgow drawing away potentional supporters and playersthat may have turned up for them.

As much as I would love London Irish/Scottish supported by IRFU/SRU to be in the Pro 14 its dead before it even starts.

I can certainly appreciate the SRU wanting a 3rd team but I think Aberdeen or Borders is best bet. As a left field proposal I have mentioned since Jagures have been kicked out of SR if Arg and Spain could collaborate to create a team in Spain with Arg players, it may be an option for the Pro 14, what if the SRU and Spain worked together to creat Spanish Scottish?

I think to be honest if the RFU are defunding the championship then they're leaving that door open for clubs to find other support, be that from unions in other leagues or otherwise and given that they're not holding the purse strings, they'd have no power really to stop it legally, especially as LS would no longer be playing in one of their leagues. It doesn't even have to be a feeder club. Think of the amount of players who are good but don't get game time or chances for Glasgow/Edinburgh.

I still think LS are a basket case and the article summarises it nicely, although they're at least making the right noises. Probably are still our best shot at regaining a third pro side.

Culturally a Scottish Spanish side is difficult as it is purely football out there, and I can't imagine many Scots Spanish expats are interested at all in rugby. The only other young market which could bear some fruit is North America, with a lot of Scottish heritage, student athletes, and growing interest in the game it could be a good place to create a development side, especially as the SRU are already investing in the PRL or whatever it's called!

by EST Fri 04 Sep 2020, 10:01 am

BigGee wrote:https://www.glasgowwarriors.org/news/ashe-to-leave-glasgow-warriors

Adam Ashe and Charrlie Capps to leave Glasgow to pursue other interests.

Don't really know a great deal about Capps, other than he was on the bench for us last weekend. having not broken through at 23, maybe he sees a different career as a bigger priority.

Adam Ashe has been our great enigma. Seemed to have all the skills but could never stay fit and latterly never really looked like he really wanted it badly enough. Seemed to get more satisfaction from persuing his mindfulness agenda. Important stuff no doubt, but maybe not what he should have been focusing on if he really wanted to push on with his rugby career.

DW, for all of his smiling face and easy demeanour, certainly does seem to have the hard edge that all coaches need and even more so in the current climate, for cutting out the dead wood from his squad.

It might be odd given our limited resources in the BR, but I see this as a positive step by DW - setting out his stall early and shaping the squad in his image. You're totally right BigGee, Ashe doesn't come across as somebody who is committed to pro sport and at 27 probably won't progress in the current set up. It is a shame in a way, we don't produce many athletes with his abilities, but he has had lots of chances. I hope this will free up some budget to bring somebody else into the BR mix.

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