Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Just wondering what ailment you have which does not have a proven cure from modern medicine but for which Chinese "medicine" does.
Mac is the secretive one, not me.

[JAS]

Patrick Reed said that it was the camera angle and that there was nothing wrong with the distance between them

Meanwhile Bryson de Shampoo is working out the optimum air density and virus particle trajectory in order to determine safe social distancing, he’ll have the answer in 3 weeks, maybe 2 and a half if he’s put on the clock.

In other news Vijay Sing thinks Antler horn powder will help!!

[JAS]

Anyone else think it was quite a smart move to now include care home deaths into the stats at this point purely from a news management point of view i.e. including them before would have given horrific headline numbers at the peak and to continue with only the hospital death numbers now would be giving a headline figure low enough to threaten the integrity of what’s left of the lockdown.

[super_realist]

Anyone else think it was quite a smart move to now include care home deaths into the stats at this point purely from a news management point of view i.e. including them before would have given horrific headline numbers at the peak and to continue with only the hospital death numbers now would be giving a headline figure low enough to threaten the integrity of what’s left of the lockdown.

What I would prefer them to do is to break it up as we have gone from it being just hospital deaths to all deaths.
For a consistency point of view I'd like to see a breakdown so we can keep the figures consistent.
I was encouraged yesterday thought that the total deaths was only 650 or so.

[kwinigolfer]

Every country, every state counts the casualties in a different way; Belgium's numbers are based to some degree on circumstantial evidence - if an unexpected death occurs it's COVID. Slight exaggeration, but not much.

[dynamark]

Very good KW he is a strange one
Numbers its all about seeing the progression or recession we have said before lots of folk pass every week.
First personal case today a work mate said his wife had CV and she was pretty poorly not the strongest to start with but getting better.They seemed to think they had been to a farmers market to buy veg and the stallholder had a bad cough.Didnt like to say but why did they go and why was it open ?
Some guidelines on golf from Golf ruling bodies seem perfectly sensible issued today.

[beninho]

Well done to the government, for meeting the target they set themselves. They did meet it didn't they?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

[kwinigolfer]

It seemed they moved the goalposts deep into the second half!

You can tell when they're telling porkies - the old "straining every sinew" phrase comes out. Must have learnt that at prep school.

[dynamark]

They were working night and day leaving no stone unturned

[super_realist]

Well done to the government, for meeting the target they set themselves. They did meet it didn't they?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Just can't say anything positive can you? You're like the abominable Peston and Keunnsberg, always trying to score points and catch the government out. I bet you'd be making no complaints were it a Labout government getting the same results.
It was a target, never a promise.

I think Hancock has actually been pretty good throughout this.

[Soul Requiem]

Well done to the government, for meeting the target they set themselves. They did meet it didn't they?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Just can't say anything positive can you? You're like the abominable Peston and Keunnsberg, always trying to score points and catch the government out.
It was a target, never a promise.

Agreed. It was a pointless and pathetic comment to make but hardly surprising.

A 1220% increase in capacity in that amount of time is good news regardless of anything else.

[beninho]

What I think is pathetic is fiddling numbers to meet a target you set yourself.

If, they had said, look at the big increase in tests, 72k people tested, we are working towards something, then fine

Instead they change the goalposts in order to look like they have hit a target they set themselves, which they haven't

Unfortunately, idiots are suckered by the government claiming to have reached the target.

Anyway, if course its good that they are upping the tests, obviously we'll late, but its a good sign.

[beninho]

Well done to the government, for meeting the target they set themselves. They did meet it didn't they?

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public

Just can't say anything positive can you? You're like the abominable Peston and Keunnsberg, always trying to score points and catch the government out. I bet you'd be making no complaints were it a Labout government getting the same results.
It was a target, never a promise.

I think Hancock has actually been pretty good throughout this.

Its not a labour government, strange argument.

I've said before Hancock is trying his best, shame he will be sacked.

[dynamark]

As said before you have to give the briefings a bit of slack as the journos ask some very stupid questions the public questions almost seem better.At least that one is out of the way and now they will have to find another focus for questions .
Fella at work thinks his wife had it but no test - he is the only person I know to have a connection to a case which is quite good.

[beninho]

My dads probably had it. Horrendous cough, aches pains etc. Cough still lingering a few weeks after. He has high BP, is 65 and carrying timber, luckily didn't seem to get to his chest. The 111 service said to call back if any blood when he coughs, luckily that didn't happen. They said probably got it.

My manager at work been off since the 21st March, has been in hospital and on oxygen. She was tested positive. But, its taking a long time to shift, still very up and down. I sat right on front of her.

Tons of dealings with it at work, hospitals discharging positive patients but no where to go.

[Be_the_ball]

A friend if mine's Mum had it, then his Dad had it, she is fully recovered and he's on the mend now aswell so good news there. No hospitalization needed. They are both in their early to mid 60's. She's a teaching assistant in a School in Chesterfield and thinks that's where she picked it up.

[Be_the_ball]

Just watched "Global Questions" on BBC, Stephen Moore a member of Trumps recovery task force confirmed that there will be compensation sought. Watch this if you get a chance. There may be trouble ahead...

[Soul Requiem]

If the USA, EU and the UK all go after China it could get very interesting.

[Be_the_ball]

The Aussies said they wanted an independent enquiry into it's origin and were then threatened with economic boycott.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-30/coronavirus-china-diplomatic-backlash/12198674

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/29/australia-defends-plan-to-investigate-china-over-covid-19-outbreak-as-row-deepens

There will be a lot of nations looking for answers, and potentially compensation. If you watch that clip I mentioned above you will see a combative response, something I haven't seen before. The host even looked surprised.

[super_realist]

If the USA, EU and the UK all go after China it could get very interesting.

Doubt anything will happen. Any claims for reparation will be met by a calling in of US debt owned by China.

[Be_the_ball]

If the USA, EU and the UK all go after China it could get very interesting.

Doubt anything will happen. Any claims for reparation will be met by a calling in of US debt owned by China.

Exactly, hence "there may be trouble ahead".

[McLaren]

SR & SR

I see Kwini make what I think are some pretty good points on here and yet you never respond to them?

But go on full attack mode for Ben.

[super_realist]

Like what Mac? If someone makes a comment I largely agree with then I don't really think it's worth a comment to confirm it.

He made a good point about Belgium and how they calculate figures being very different to how others calculate it, I didn't see much else worth commenting on.

Beninho is an easy target because virtually everything that he writes is through the lens of rounding on the government regardless of whether they are doing a good job or not. His comments are petty and peevish and often pretty juvenile. I think it's stupid to suggest that Hancock will get the sack when it's pretty clear he is doing as good a job as can be done in the circumstances. If anything he has enhanced his reputation.

I'm not really bothered if the government achieved 100k a day or not, all that I am concerned about is that capacity increased significantly, and it has.

[beninho]

Who do you think will carry the can for however many deaths occur? Someone will take a bullet. Hancock is in the prime position to be sacrificed.

[super_realist]

Who do you think will carry the can for however many deaths occur? Someone will take a bullet. Hancock is in the prime position to be sacrificed.

What makes you think any one individual will be held responsible for the number of deaths in a global pandemic, and why would ceremoniously "sacking" them appease anyone or absolve any government of mistakes that may or may not have been made? There is literally no point, and as far as I can see no one is actually asking for anyone in the cabinet to be sacked for this.
Should Hancock be held responsible for all the demographic reasons which contribute to the UK having a higher death rate than some other countries?
Any inquest in to what ever has or has not happened will most likely take place well after the next scheduled cabinet reshuffle.

[beninho]

I'm not talking about anyone being held responsible, I'm looking at it politically. I don't think a government will just say, nothing to do with us. As God knows how many people will end up dead. They will make changes, and a prime change will be the health security.

I also think he's easier to move on because he isn't part of the vote leave group with Raab, Gove, Patel, Johnson and Cummings.

[super_realist]

I don't think they will say "nothing to do with us either", but I think the token "sacking" of someone does nothing.
Hancock has been the best government performer. There might be a reshuffle, if you want to disguise a sacking like that, but I don't think Hancock would be kicked out of the cabinet, if anything he's more likely to get a better role, such as Home Secretary to replace the dismal Patel.

[navyblueshorts]

What I think is pathetic is fiddling numbers to meet a target you set yourself.

If, they had said, look at the big increase in tests, 72k people tested, we are working towards something, then fine  

Instead they change the goalposts in order to look like they have hit a target they set themselves, which they haven't  

Unfortunately, idiots are suckered by the government claiming to have reached the target.

Anyway, if course its good that they are upping the tests, obviously we'll late, but its a good sign.

Perhaps media (and you?) should have read test counting fine print? They (you?) have been hustled.

[navyblueshorts]

If the USA, EU and the UK all go after China it could get very interesting.

Doubt anything will happen. Any claims for reparation will be met by a calling in of US debt owned by China.

Quite.

[navyblueshorts]

I don't think they will say "nothing to do with us either", but I think the token "sacking" of someone does nothing.
Hancock has been the best government performer. There might be a reshuffle, if you want to disguise a sacking like that, but I don't think Hancock would be kicked out of the cabinet, if anything he's more likely to get a better role, such as Home Secretary to replace the dismal Patel.

Why move Hancock? He's the best placed to put changes etc in place for the future. Sack Patel, by all means though .

[JAS]

I don't think they will say "nothing to do with us either", but I think the token "sacking" of someone does nothing.
Hancock has been the best government performer. There might be a reshuffle, if you want to disguise a sacking like that, but I don't think Hancock would be kicked out of the cabinet, if anything he's more likely to get a better role, such as Home Secretary to replace the dismal Patel.

I’m sure there will be some changes when things eventually settle. Everyone will have their own view about who was effective and who wasn’t. For me, as is fairly well known I’m no fan of the Tories but to be fair I’d give the following decent pass marks...
Hancock, the poor bugger looks haunted, and let’s not forget he’s also had it, he’s tried hard and (quite rare for a Tory) actually comes across that he really cares.
Sunak comes across as fresh, a good grasp of his brief, prepared to listen and prepared to be bold (let’s see how he gets on with following through on the implementation of his ideas though.
Schapps Reasonably level headed and speaks confidently when he’s asked to step up to the plate.
The following hmmm, maybe 50/50
Raab - Thought he was a bit robotic early on but kind of grew into deputising but without setting the heather alight. Still the doppelgänger of Dr Alan B’stard though:-p
The firing line...
Patel - As Home Sec she should have been all over this like a rash, she just hasn’t. She’s popped up a couple of times and been woeful when she has
Williamson - Eh...how did he get in the cabinet again? He should just fade away and shut up
Gove - The proverbial dose of thrush (irritating c***)

[beninho]

The issue with Patel she is in the brexiteer group, so doubt they will axe her yet. And not for Hancock, who is more central. Don't think the big jobs will go far from the vote leavers.

[super_realist]

Why? Brexit is effectively over as a political process, there's no need to have exclude those that were not pro Brexit now as it isn't going to be reversed. Most sane people have accepted it is happening. Not as if keeping Hancock in the cabinet is ever going to have an influence in reversing Brexit.

[beninho]

Yes, its happening. But it is still in the fore front of political thinking with the government. If you think Raab and Patel have the jobs based on anything other then they were keen vote leavers, I would be surprised.

I think the government which was voted in on brexit views, will keep keen brexit supporters in the key jobs.

[super_realist]

Labour were supposedly Pro Remain, but Corbyn wasn't so would they have got shot of Corbyn had they won? No, so don't see why Johnson would get rid of Hancock who if anything has endeared himself to the public and especially the non Tory voting public far more than any Tory in the last 10 years.

[beninho]

No idea what Corbyn has to do with the tory government.

Anyway, I think I've answered why I think Hancock will be moved. Let's wait and see.

[super_realist]

It's got to do with whether it matters what an individuals views are on Brexit as to whether they should be part of the senior leadership. Labour wouldn't remove Corbyn for his views, so why would Tories remove Hancock?  
If they didn't want Hancock in the cabinet on the basis of his views then he already wouldn't be in it.

Will Hancock be moved sideways post Coronavirus? Maybe, but will it be because he is not the same as Raab, Patel or because after such a monumental period in time that cabinets are reshuffled all the time? Can you seriously see him being removed from the cabinet?

[beninho]

I wish I saw things in as simple terms as yourself.

If Hamcock is removed from Health I don't think he will move up.

Do you think Patel and Raab are in position based on how good they are or that they are on the right of the party with strong vote leave links?

[super_realist]

It's just a simple case that you can never have a party which holds the same views as everyone else.
I have no idea why Raab and Patel are in there, but if its just because of their vote on Brexit then you could have one of a hundred different Tories, so why aren't they in there and Patel and Raab are?
If Hancock isn't removed from the cabinet, then where's the punishment or blame? Seems you are trying to see some sort of conspiracy where there is none.

[beninho]

OK you didn't understand anything I said about Hancock. I think he will lose his job as the easiest placed to be sacrificed. I have never said he is to blame. But, that after 40/50/60 or more thousand deaths, the government will end up having to do something. The health minister will be the easiest to get rid of.

You think he will be promoted.

[super_realist]

And I don't think you understand mine. If how you voted on Brexit mattered, why has Hancock already been through a reshuffle? Why wasn't he removed?
I didn't say he'd be promoted, but as I've just said, if he wasn't rated by Boris and if his Brexit views mattered he wouldn't be in the Cabinet to begin with. There's no shortage of Tory MP's with Brexit views that could already have replaced him, so why didn't they? Because his views on Brexit simply don't matter.

[super_realist]

On another note and for Mac's benefit, it's been troubling me who the ghastly Kuennsberg reminded me of, and then it suddenly hit me. Myra Hindley

[Be_the_ball]

On another note and for Mac's benefit, it's been troubling me who the ghastly Kuennsberg reminded me of, and then it suddenly hit me. Myra Hindley

[Davie]

after 40/50/60 or more thousand deaths

Really?

[dynamark]

Hancock does look knackered but hardly surprising .
Patel has never looked statesperson like mainly because of her smug grin but I have so say they probably 'needed' a lady in one of the higher profile positions .Not easy for anyone who has to make the decisions at present

[dynamark]

Super did you know Myra ?

[beninho]

after 40/50/60 or more thousand deaths

Really?

It was just for an overall number, as we have no idea what it will end up at!

[dynamark]

I got a GSCE in Maths and Add Maths so 68 mill population we are going to loose around 15-18 k a week in normal times -it seems now w e loose a load of lives to Covidvirus and then another few thousand who are not getting their chemo or transplants or do not call emergency service.I wouldn't want to go to the hospital now so very understandable.
Its not good but its really where we are right now

[super_realist]

I got a GSCE in Maths and  Add Maths so 68 mill population we are going to loose around 15-18 k a week in normal times -it seems now w e loose a load of lives to Covidvirus  and then another few thousand who are  not getting their chemo or transplants or do not call emergency service.I wouldn't want to go to the hospital now so very understandable.
Its not good but its really where we are right now

You didn't get GCSE English though.

[JAS]

Hancock does look knackered but hardly surprising .
Patel has never looked statesperson like mainly because of her smug grin but I have so say they probably 'needed' a lady in one of the higher profile positions .Not easy for anyone who has to make the decisions at present  

Think that’s part of the problem, if she is there as a token female in one of the main offices of state it kind of shows how bereft they are of female talent that Patel gets a shoe in by default. I would have said why not Rudd before I realised that she was a victim of the pre Brexit purge of the moderates and didn’t stand in the GE in December. I can’t help thinking that there’s a shady side to Patel, apart from the bullying accusations there was the whole unauthorised Israeli trip when she was a minister previously which seemed to just be airbrushed away.

[super_realist]

Plenty of token women in the HOC.

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