Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Just wondering what ailment you have which does not have a proven cure from modern medicine but for which Chinese "medicine" does.
Mac is the secretive one, not me.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

Do we have to call all attempts at a wind up wumming? Don't we all have gentle wind ups with our mates? Just friendly banter.

Someone mentioned the 7 days vs 14 days infectious stage post and I would like to bet this will end up being one of the UK's man sausage ups. I have family friends who are doctors who got covid and were sent back to work within days of feeling better. The WHO had research from March suggesting you could remain infectious up to 21 days after disease symptoms had subsided, neve mind 7 days from onset. There is no doubt the NHS had been sending infectious healthcare workers back into the field.

Fair play on the WUMs etc.

Infectivity period is potentially a big issue. If infectious people are returning after presumptive loss of infectivity, that's an issue. I'll hold fire on blame, though, if true. I'd like to see actual detail and not the typical BS half-truths, rumours, social media stories etc that are the norm for people to base accusations on. Even then, if people behaving based on best practice at any given time, then it might be tragic, but no-one's 'fault' as such.

[super_realist]

Navy

What is the explanation for not having set up checks or quarantine for people arriving in the UK? It is something that we have clearly taken a different policy on compared to Korea, Japan new Zealand etc.

Anyone coming into the UK is entering lockdown like everyone else.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

What is the explanation for not having set up checks or quarantine for people arriving in the UK? It is something that we have clearly taken a different policy on compared to Korea, Japan new Zealand etc.

I know you haven't a clue as a self-confessed non-listener to briefings. Numbers entering are trivial cf. indigenous population spreading it. Hence test/track/trace was also dropped once it became obvious it was already rife. Once internal infection numbers drop, suspect we'll see checks/quarantining on incoming people as they'll then be a much more significant issue.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

What is the explanation for not having set up checks or quarantine for people arriving in the UK? It is something that we have clearly taken a different policy on compared to Korea, Japan new Zealand etc.

Also, I wouldn't champion Japan if I were you. Almost zero testing etc...

[beninho]

Isn't everything on here, generally a form of banter (hate that word) im sure we all over exaggerate our general selves. Or look to inflate opinion way past what we actually hold.

[navyblueshorts]

Navy

What is the explanation for not having set up checks or quarantine for people arriving in the UK? It is something that we have clearly taken a different policy on compared to Korea, Japan new Zealand etc.

Anyone coming into the UK is entering lockdown like everyone else.  

[Soul Requiem]

You cannot compare a European country to a country in the far east, the culture differences are too big and to ignore that in order to point score is a bit silly. It has to be said that the Japanese culture is far more respectful than it is over and in countries like France or the US, general obesity and health is something else often overlooked.

Ultimately a pandemic once it takes hold will always impact on the UK more than it will Japan or South Korea.

[McLaren]

Super

I have not changed my opinion as much as others because I took a lot of infectious disease courses in uni, more for the immune system mol bio, but I was never having to learn the basics of epidemiology like most people on the fly during this crisis. Please don't take this as arrogance I am just pointing out that I did the initial learning and head scratching about the concepts of epediemiology beforehand. So a complete change of opinion is less likely.

As the research comes out (on the biology and epidemiology of the situation) I will update my views. For example why would I hold views about the viruses biology as precious and immutable?

But I have seen nothing yet to waver from the idea that the UkG have not dealt with this as well as other countries or as well as they should have done. For example I posted a well researched reuters article a month ago that still holds true. In that article it presented a compelling case for the UKG getting blinkered scientific advice from sage and not listening to the wider epidemiological community.

What I am trying to say is that I will hold myself to account in terms of how well I picked up the new scientific ideas and techniques for better dealing with pandemics in the future. The fact borris and Co are incompetent seems blatantly obvious at this point. Why handicap your thinking by giving them the benefit of the doubt?

[super_realist]

Shame you didn't learn how to spell it. Funny how your immense knowledge on it trumps that of the contrary information coming from scientists and WHO though isn't it? Even they didn't seem well placed to offer trustworthy advice at the time, but you knew better?

Perhaps they should have come to you for advice instead of world renowned experts?

[McLaren]

Super

Not going to lie. That was full WUM.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/bengoldacre/status/1258378643979620353?s=09

[JAS]

Nice moving of the goalposts there

Ever worked on a ZHC yourself?

That wasn’t a moving of the goalposts, it was a widening of the point to aid your understanding. In retrospect probably futile as I don’t think a lack of understanding is your issue, I think it’s more a case of ideologically induced blindness.

A zhc no, especially a minimum wage one. I was a freelance IT consultant for over 20 years but took a permanent role a couple of years ago. So I do have some experience of the ups and downs of the contract market albeit on a radically different income bracket than those poor buggers scratching a living working care homes.

[westisbest]

I think hairdressers will be swamped. I look like Lovejoy with this mullet.

Mine was getting long at the back.

The wife did mine earlier. Shortest I’ve ever had it on top.

Quite impressed. Saves a bit of money at least.

[Soul Requiem]

Nice moving of the goalposts there

Ever worked on a ZHC yourself?

That wasn’t a moving of the goalposts, it was a widening of the point to aid your understanding. In retrospect probably futile as I don’t think a lack of understanding is your issue, I think it’s more a case of ideologically induced blindness.

A zhc no, especially a minimum wage one. I was a freelance IT consultant for over 20 years but took a permanent role a couple of years ago. So I do have some experience of the ups and downs of the contract market albeit on a radically different income bracket than those poor buggers scratching a living working care homes.

It was nothing more than a moving of the goalposts because you were unaware of the actual situation and posted utter nonsense, upon realizing this you altered the point you were trying to make and failed again. Far easier to admit to a mistake than try to weasel out of it.

[McLaren]

I think hairdressers will be swamped. I look like Lovejoy with this mullet.

Mine was getting long at the back.

The wife did mine earlier. Shortest I’ve ever had it on top.

Quite impressed. Saves a bit of money at least.

Super when lock down eases I will have a go at trimming you if you like?

[JAS]

Nice moving of the goalposts there

Ever worked on a ZHC yourself?

That wasn’t a moving of the goalposts, it was a widening of the point to aid your understanding. In retrospect probably futile as I don’t think a lack of understanding is your issue, I think it’s more a case of ideologically induced blindness.

A zhc no, especially a minimum wage one. I was a freelance IT consultant for over 20 years but took a permanent role a couple of years ago. So I do have some experience of the ups and downs of the contract market albeit on a radically different income bracket than those poor buggers scratching a living working care homes.

It was nothing more than a moving of the goalposts because you were unaware of the actual situation and posted utter nonsense, upon realizing this you altered the point you were trying to make and failed again. Far easier to admit to a mistake than try to weasel out of it.

Yeah of course I’m unaware because I don’t know anyone that works in the care industry...or so you’ve assumed!! If you’re going to have a completely unfounded and unsubstantiated pop at my integrity maybe you should do a bit of effin research first you complete and utter Mr Winklechops.

[westisbest]

I think hairdressers will be swamped. I look like Lovejoy with this mullet.

Mine was getting long at the back.

The wife did mine earlier. Shortest I’ve ever had it on top.

Quite impressed. Saves a bit of money at least.

Super when lock down eases I will have a go at trimming you if you like?

Something for you to look forward to super

[Be_the_ball]

I think hairdressers will be swamped. I look like Lovejoy with this mullet.

Mine was getting long at the back.

The wife did mine earlier. Shortest I’ve ever had it on top.

Quite impressed. Saves a bit of money at least.

Super when lock down eases I will have a go at trimming you if you like?

Something for you to look forward to super

How are you Westi? Keeping well I hope

[Soul Requiem]

Nice moving of the goalposts there

Ever worked on a ZHC yourself?

That wasn’t a moving of the goalposts, it was a widening of the point to aid your understanding. In retrospect probably futile as I don’t think a lack of understanding is your issue, I think it’s more a case of ideologically induced blindness.

A zhc no, especially a minimum wage one. I was a freelance IT consultant for over 20 years but took a permanent role a couple of years ago. So I do have some experience of the ups and downs of the contract market albeit on a radically different income bracket than those poor buggers scratching a living working care homes.

It was nothing more than a moving of the goalposts because you were unaware of the actual situation and posted utter nonsense, upon realizing this you altered the point you were trying to make and failed again. Far easier to admit to a mistake than try to weasel out of it.

Yeah of course I’m unaware because I don’t know anyone  that works in the care industry...or so you’ve assumed!! If you’re going to have a completely unfounded and unsubstantiated pop at my integrity maybe you should do a bit of effin research first you complete and utter Mr Winklechops.

Baby want his dummy back?

[beninho]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/07/mixed-messages-uk-governments-strategy-fuels-fears-of-rule-breaking

I know, some hate the Guardian. But its hard to disagree with what is in this piece. Unless you are on the love Boris bandwagon.

[super_realist]

Guardian stating the obvious again and making a story out of a non story?

What I really hate about the Guardian is the sneering tone of its articles, who could take that merde seriously? The article pretends that the scientific advice given has not changed over time or has not been conflicting, and infers the Government has made a mess of a consistent message, which of course it never was. I'd agree with them, had the advice been consistent and clear over time, but it hasn't. Just another example of awful, selective Guardian journalism. This is a paper, given it's laughable circulation that truly deserves to go bust.

There ought to be fears of rule breaking regardless of whether there's a perception of "mixed messages" People are getting fed up of hearing people breaking lock down with no consequences, some of whom were hilariously defended on the basis it was "covering bad news" or was a "hatchet job"

I certainly agree the message should be clearer, but I don't think it's worthy of such an awful, transparently politically aggressive article in one of Britain's worst papers. It puts across that the British public is massively stupid (which a large section is) but only the Gaurdian can see things for what they are. Awful paper.

As bad as it is though, it's still not as bad as The National. A paper run by some Independence zealots here in Scotland and in which every article has an Independence agende, but with a circulation so laughable it's a wonder they bother.

[beninho]

I see SR mate farage is trying to stay relevant and stir up his right wing loony base. Driving down to Dover, then complaining when told he shouldn't. The guy is an absolute moron and it is crazy how many people take him seriously.

[beninho]

Guardian stating the obvious again and making a story out of a non story?

What I really hate about the Guardian is the sneering tone of its articles, who could take that merde seriously? The article pretends that the scientific advice given has not changed over time or has not been conflicting, and infers the Government has made a mess of a consistent message, which of course it never was. I'd agree with them, had the advice been consistent and clear over time, but it hasn't. Just another example of awful, selective Guardian journalism. This is a paper, given it's laughable circulation that truly deserves to go bust.

There ought to be fears of rule breaking regardless of whether there's a perception of "mixed messages" People are getting fed up of hearing people breaking lock down with no consequences, some of whom were hilariously defended on the basis it was "covering bad news" or was a "hatchet job"

I certainly agree the message should be clearer, but I don't think it's worthy of such an awful, transparently politically aggressive article in one of Britain's worst papers. It puts across that the British public is massively stupid (which a large section is) but only the Gaurdian can see things for what they are. Awful paper.

As bad as it is though, it's still not as bad as The National. A paper run by some Independence zealots here in Scotland and in which every article has an Independence agende, but with a circulation so laughable it's a wonder they bother.

Stick to the daily mail. Probably more your thing.

[super_realist]

I don't read any papers really. Can't think of a single one which is decent. Does anyone still buy newspapers?

[super_realist]

I see SR mate farage is trying to stay relevant and stir up his right wing loony base. Driving down to Dover, then complaining when told he shouldn't. The guy is an absolute moron and it is crazy how many people take him seriously.

On a similar note I think Krankie is trying to score political capital too by diverging from the Westminster route to try and win back some support from her knuckle dragging followers.

As for Farage, I don't think there is a significant number who take him seriously or who deem him relevant.

[westisbest]

I think hairdressers will be swamped. I look like Lovejoy with this mullet.

Mine was getting long at the back.

The wife did mine earlier. Shortest I’ve ever had it on top.

Quite impressed. Saves a bit of money at least.

Super when lock down eases I will have a go at trimming you if you like?

Something for you to look forward to super

How are you Westi? Keeping well I hope

Yeah all good here Be_the_ball. Hope all good with you.

[beninho]

I see SR mate farage is trying to stay relevant and stir up his right wing loony base. Driving down to Dover, then complaining when told he shouldn't. The guy is an absolute moron and it is crazy how many people take him seriously.

On a similar note I think Krankie is trying to score political capital too by diverging from the Westminster route to try and win back some support from her knuckle dragging followers.

As for Farage, I don't think there is a significant number who take him seriously or who deem him relevant.

I really wish that was true about Farage. His recent twitter post has 5500 retweets and 15k likes. He has a radio show on LBC which I hear sometimes. Also his party got 650k votes at the last election and only stood in half(?) The seats.

I think Sturgeon is best doing her own way.

[super_realist]

Sturgeon must be bricking it that people will realise that Scotland is not financially positioned to weather a Coronavirus outbreak on its own.

[beninho]

Scotland basically a one party state, don't think she's bricking herself over anything.

[JAS]

Nice moving of the goalposts there

Ever worked on a ZHC yourself?

That wasn’t a moving of the goalposts, it was a widening of the point to aid your understanding. In retrospect probably futile as I don’t think a lack of understanding is your issue, I think it’s more a case of ideologically induced blindness.

A zhc no, especially a minimum wage one. I was a freelance IT consultant for over 20 years but took a permanent role a couple of years ago. So I do have some experience of the ups and downs of the contract market albeit on a radically different income bracket than those poor buggers scratching a living working care homes.

It was nothing more than a moving of the goalposts because you were unaware of the actual situation and posted utter nonsense, upon realizing this you altered the point you were trying to make and failed again. Far easier to admit to a mistake than try to weasel out of it.

Yeah of course I’m unaware because I don’t know anyone  that works in the care industry...or so you’ve assumed!! If you’re going to have a completely unfounded and unsubstantiated pop at my integrity maybe you should do a bit of effin research first you complete and utter Mr Winklechops.

Baby want his dummy back?

The auto correct was kind to you. What exactly is your purpose here? Apart from blatant wumming? I state a point based on a) what I’ve seen reported and which can be corroborated by more than person in my friends and family circle. You proceed to effectively call them all and me liars, I try to help you understand the point which you persist in refusing to accept (for no other reason than it doesn’t fit your narrative) I get a bit annoyed because you persist in trying to say I’m talking Love sacks which I know I’m not. It says a lot more about your mindset and lack of knowledge of me that you then resort to smartarse quips about dummies...wtf??

Anyways, I think the rest of the board has you sussed so there’s no need for me to continue to respond.

[super_realist]

Scotland basically a one party state, don't think she's bricking herself over anything.

Why not? Support for Independence has never been positive, so she'll be desperate to claw voters back from the non independence supporters, and if more people wake up and realise that Scotland would be screwed financially over something like this, how is she going to get her wish, unless of course she's content with simply being a devolved parliament.

As for Farage, I'm still failing to see why you think he's relevant. His party is no longer required because Brexit has effectively gone through. 650,000 voters now have no need for him, he's the very definition of obsolete. How many millions voted for Corbyn, yet I doubt you'd think he was relevant anymore would you? Also, how does having a radio show matter? James O Brian has a radio show and he's not influential or relevant.

[Soul Requiem]

The auto correct was kind to you. What exactly is your purpose here? Apart from blatant wumming? I state a point based on a) what I’ve seen reported and which can be corroborated by more than person in my friends and family circle. You proceed to effectively call them all and me liars, I try to help you understand the point which you persist in refusing to accept (for no other reason than it doesn’t fit your narrative) I get a bit annoyed because you persist in trying to say I’m talking Love sacks which I know I’m not. It says a lot more about your mindset and lack of knowledge of me that you then resort to smartarse quips about dummies...wtf??

Anyways, I think the rest of the board has you sussed so there’s no need for me to continue to respond.

You're either a liar or not very good at researching, the furlough scheme does cover those on Zero hours contracts something you clearly didn't bother to check before posting this garbage. If blatantly lie as you did then expect to be called out on it.

[beninho]

I said he's trying to stay relevant. Do you think the millions that followed and supported him for all the years, who hold the similar, pretty racist views and hatred of foreigners, have just vanished?

[super_realist]

I'm sure they haven't, but seeing as there's no need for the party, no MEP's and Labour defeated for a decade I don't see how anyone would see him as relevant, and I'm sure even Farage considers the job to be done.

[Be_the_ball]

Scotland basically a one party state, don't think she's bricking herself over anything.

Why not? Support for Independence has never been positive, so she'll be desperate to claw voters back from the non independence supporters, and if more people wake up and realise that Scotland would be screwed financially over something like this, how is she going to get her wish, unless of course she's content with simply being a devolved parliament.

As for Farage, I'm still failing to see why you think he's relevant. His party is no longer required because Brexit has effectively gone through. 650,000 voters now have no need for him, he's the very definition of obsolete. How many millions voted for Corbyn, yet I doubt you'd think he was relevant anymore would you? Also, how does having a radio show matter? James O Brian has a radio show and he's not influential or relevant.

Slight tangent so forgive me, but on the relevance of Farage.

IMO, Trump and Brexit were a reaction to the fall out of the Global Financial crash of 2008. Both the US and UK went through quite a long period of austerity. During that time income growth collapsed and people were asset stripped. The working poor became a reality. People became disillusioned with mainstream politics and hence voted for "change".

Now, the reason why Farage is relevant is because the fall out from this pandemic, if economies don't experience a V shaped recovery is potentially explosive. If the UK and US again hand the bill for bailouts to ordinary people, then Trump and Brexit will look like childs play. The template has been shown by Farage & Trump to work and someone more extreme is likely to appeal to an even greater amount of disillusioned and dispossessed.

[super_realist]

Kyle Walker, is there a footballer more stupid than him?

[beninho]

I'm sure they haven't, but seeing as there's no need for the party, no MEP's and Labour defeated for a decade I don't see how anyone would see him as relevant, and I'm sure even Farage considers the job to be done.

If he considered his job done, he wouldn't be posting videos down at Dover on his twitter account and sending letters to the police. Ranting on about immigrants. I wish he would go, but not a hope of it.

[super_realist]

Twitter? Good grief. Is there anything more banal and less serious as a medium than twitter?
Sounds like you're fretting over nothing.

[beninho]

Kyle Walker, is there a footballer more stupid than him?

The prozzy thing was wrong. Visiting his sister, I'm not fussed about. No worse then Jenrick who went to his parents.

[beninho]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/renters-evicted-june-tories-pledge-coronavirus-landlords

Now, this does worry me. So many evictions were stopped, on top of others given notice.

[super_realist]

Kyle Walker, is there a footballer more stupid than him?

The prozzy thing was wrong. Visiting his sister, I'm not fussed about. No worse then Jenrick who went to his parents.

Jenrick wasn't hugging his parents like a walker was his sister, also why does a grown man need home cooked meals from his parents?
Idiotic behaviour, but he's not the only footballer showing how thick they are.

[beninho]

I will look out for your post on everyone who has done something then realist. Why no comment on the rugby boys? I can't see how you can flag up Walker but not Jenrick, do essentially the same thing. Worse for Jenrick as part of the government.

[super_realist]

True, but Walker has done it three times, so clearly thinks the laws don't apply to him, or he's too stupid to understand why its important to maintain distance.

I mentioned Ferguson the other day, but you and others didn't think it was a big deal and even went so far to claim it was a witch hunt.

[Soul Requiem]

I will look out for your post on everyone who has done something then realist. Why no comment on the rugby boys?  I can't see how you can flag up Walker but not Jenrick, do essentially the same thing. Worse for Jenrick as part of the government.

Remind me what Jenrick did wrong? Delivering medicine to elderly relatives wasn't it?

[beninho]

I will look out for your post on everyone who has done something then realist. Why no comment on the rugby boys?  I can't see how you can flag up Walker but not Jenrick, do essentially the same thing. Worse for Jenrick as part of the government.

Remind me what Jenrick did wrong? Delivering medicine to elderly relatives wasn't it?

You don't think he, was, at least pushing the limits. Wow, you do shock me.

[super_realist]

Jenrick was certainly in the wrong, he had people nearer who could do it, Ferguson is in the wrong, rugger buggers are in the wrong, Walker, Grealish etc in the wrong.

[JAS]

The auto correct was kind to you. What exactly is your purpose here? Apart from blatant wumming? I state a point based on a) what I’ve seen reported and which can be corroborated by more than person in my friends and family circle. You proceed to effectively call them all and me liars, I try to help you understand the point which you persist in refusing to accept (for no other reason than it doesn’t fit your narrative) I get a bit annoyed because you persist in trying to say I’m talking Love sacks which I know I’m not. It says a lot more about your mindset and lack of knowledge of me that you then resort to smartarse quips about dummies...wtf??

Anyways, I think the rest of the board has you sussed so there’s no need for me to continue to respond.

You're either a liar or not very good at researching, the furlough scheme does cover those on Zero hours contracts something you clearly didn't bother to check before posting this garbage. If blatantly lie as you did then expect to be called out on it.

Right, there is researching what the policy is SUPPOSED to be and how it is ACTUALLY being implemented/interpreted in the real world. That harks back to the original post that George made about cracks beginning to appear and they ARE.

I have been all along broadly supportive of what the government have been trying to do. What’s happening now is that there is CLEARLY a difference beginning to emerge between what they’re saying they are doing/want to do and what is actually happening on the ground.

I’m most definitely not trying to political point score here, there is no point in throwing political bricks at an 80 seat majority government 5 months into a 5 year term that is futility exemplified. That however does not mean that if you see them standing up and being increasingly 2 faced in explaining where they think we are then it’s right to call it. Short of giving you the names and addresses and phone numbers of a couple of Zhc workers I know that are not being paid or the contact number and addresses of the care homes they work in there’s not a lot more I can say.

[westisbest]

Unfortunately Grealish’s behaviour wasn’t great a few weeks back.
Terrible in fact. Not great when he’s the captain of the team you support and he was one relaying  those messages of staying home.

Super. Is there a thicker footballer than Walker.
I’ll raise you Gabby Agbonlahor.

Ah the Villa lads

[beninho]

True, but Walker has done it three times, so clearly thinks the laws don't apply to him, or he's too stupid to understand why its important to maintain distance.

I mentioned Ferguson the other day, but you and others didn't think it was a big deal and even went so far to claim it was a witch hunt.

Twisting the truth there realist. I think I said, you can accept he has done wrong but also not like the way it has been portrayed. There's a lot going on, which probably shouldn't. Though, I would say, it doesn't fuss me, as much as it seems to fuss you.

[beninho]

Unfortunately Grealish’s behaviour wasn’t great a few weeks back.
Terrible in fact. Not great when he’s the captain of the team you support and he was one relaying  those messages of staying home.

Super. Is there a thicker footballer than Walker.
I’ll raise you Gabby Agbonlahor.

Ah the Villa lads

Lee Hendrie?

Another midlander..Saido Berahinho. Now, I gather he really is stupid.

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