Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

Just wondering what ailment you have which does not have a proven cure from modern medicine but for which Chinese "medicine" does.
Mac is the secretive one, not me.

[super_realist]

True, but Walker has done it three times, so clearly thinks the laws don't apply to him, or he's too stupid to understand why its important to maintain distance.

I mentioned Ferguson the other day, but you and others didn't think it was a big deal and even went so far to claim it was a witch hunt.

Twisting the truth there realist. I think I said, you can accept he has done wrong but also not like the way it has been portrayed. There's a lot going on, which probably shouldn't.  Though, I would say, it doesn't fuss me, as much as it seems to fuss you.

Twisting what? 3 times he's been caught out. No excuse. He's clearly a moron.
As for Ferguson, completely indefensible, and laughable to claim there was some sort of cloak and dagger vendetta against him. He put himself in an untenable position which simply cannot be defended or excused. I think you also claimed that it wasn't embarrassing for the government, which it clearly was, so by the Telegraph reporting it they are effectively putting shade on the government which is something you claimed they would never do.

This doesn't bother you, but insignificant tweets by Farage do? Good priorities.

[beninho]

Footballer is not the brightest person. Man shocked!

I don't think I've ever defended the prof. You don't need to make up an argument.

[super_realist]

Footballer is not the brightest person. Man shocked!

I don't think I've ever defended the prof. You don't need to make up an argument.

How many people were asking for Jenrick to be sacked but haven't done the same for Walker?

[beninho]

Government giving a job to the person who was in charge at talk rank when they were fined 400k for a data privacy breach after being hacked. Wonder why she got the job.

Did I mention she is married to a tory mp? Purely a coincidence.

[beninho]

Footballer is not the brightest person. Man shocked!

I don't think I've ever defended the prof. You don't need to make up an argument.

How many people were asking for Jenrick to be sacked but haven't done the same for Walker?

Are you comparing a government minister and a footballer?

[super_realist]

I'm talking about consistency. Walkers indiscretions are far worse than Jenrick, even though I wouldn't want either sacked, if you are going to ask for one to be sacked then so should the other.

[super_realist]

Government giving a job to the person who was in charge at talk rank when they were fined 400k for a data privacy breach after being hacked. Wonder why she got the job.

Did I mention she is married to a tory mp? Purely a coincidence.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to grt you.

[beninho]

I'm talking about consistency. Walkers indiscretions are far worse than Jenrick, even though I wouldn't want either sacked, if you are going to ask for one to be sacked then so should the other.

Not quite sure if you grasp the difference in jobs. Ones a government minister, ones a footballer. I'm not sure if sacking every one who didn't quite follow the rules in the country should be sacked. Seems like an awful idea

[beninho]

Government giving a job to the person who was in charge at talk rank when they were fined 400k for a data privacy breach after being hacked. Wonder why she got the job.

Did I mention she is married to a tory mp? Purely a coincidence.

Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to grt you.

You think it is just a coincidence?
Like a coincidence links to Cummings got the NHS app contract? Though it seems that will be nothing but a massive waste of money anyway.

[Soul Requiem]

One was looking after elderly relatives, the other is just an idiot.

[McLaren]

Prof Ferguson was a prat. One of those scientists that are in it for the adoration and pats on the back rather than for the love of the discipline. He seems to have been blinkered by his notion of his own supremacy when formulating advice for the government. Deserved to go. Do the rules not apply to him.

[beninho]

One was looking after elderly relatives, the other is just an idiot.

So, Jessica has been back and firth throughout the pandemic, over an hour each way has he?

[McLaren]

The Prof might not be as smart as he thought.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/


Would be interested what anyone with software engineering/coding experience thinks of this?

[beninho]

Because I love you all, let's have your defence on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice

[McLaren]

Ben

Rich coming from the scientific advisors. If reports are true they have censured themselves from most of the virology and epidemiology community for some time now.

[super_realist]

I'm talking about consistency. Walkers indiscretions are far worse than Jenrick, even though I wouldn't want either sacked, if you are going to ask for one to be sacked then so should the other.

Not quite sure if you grasp the difference in jobs. Ones a government minister, ones a footballer. I'm not sure if sacking every one who didn't quite follow the rules in the country should be sacked. Seems like an awful idea

The difference in jobs makes no difference whatsoever.
I don't want anyone to be sacked for something like this as I'm not for people being sacked every time they make a mistake, however if you are one of these people who does demand sackings of such people then the call for Jenrick and Walker to be sacked should be consistently applied.
The employer at the very least should be incredibly condemnatory, yet I've heard virtually nothing from either the government or Man City. Walker as a serial offender should at least be facing some disciplinary action.

[super_realist]

The Prof might not be as smart as he thought.

https://lockdownsceptics.org/code-review-of-fergusons-model/


Would be interested what anyone with software engineering/coding experience thinks of this?

Ferguson's claims have frequently been wrong, and not just in this outbreak. He's made similarly wild predictions about things like bird flu and foot and mouth.
He also claimed Sweden would have 40k deaths with their tactics, which hasn't happened, so you can see why it is so difficult to get a decent programme in place when advice is so different.

[super_realist]

Because I love you all, let's have your defence on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice

Great stuff, you accuse the Telegraph of doing their best to protect the government and act on their behalf, but don't see how hateful rags like this do the opposite.
It's journalism, and as far as I could tell the article was very light on detail, which is what I expect from the gruadian

[beninho]

I'm talking about consistency. Walkers indiscretions are far worse than Jenrick, even though I wouldn't want either sacked, if you are going to ask for one to be sacked then so should the other.

Not quite sure if you grasp the difference in jobs. Ones a government minister, ones a footballer. I'm not sure if sacking every one who didn't quite follow the rules in the country should be sacked. Seems like an awful idea

The difference in jobs makes no difference whatsoever.
I don't want anyone to be sacked for something like this as I'm not for people being sacked every time they make a mistake, however if you are one of these people who does demand sackings of such people then the call for Jenrick and Walker to be sacked should be consistently applied.
The employer at the very least should be incredibly condemnatory, yet I've heard virtually nothing from either the government or Man City. Walker as a serial offender should at least be facing some disciplinary action.

Not really understanding your stance, you don't think people should be sacked, but if anyone does think the government minister needs sacking then so does the local Baker who popped round his mums and sat in the garden?

Do you think all jobs are equal in all walks of life, and that every job should have the same disciplinary process?

[beninho]

Because I love you all, let's have your defence on this.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/08/revealed-uk-scientists-fury-over-attempt-to-censor-covid-19-advice

Great stuff, you accuse the Telegraph of doing their best to protect the government and act on their behalf, but don't see how hateful rags like this do the opposite.
It's journalism, and as far as I could tell the article was very light on detail, which is what I expect from the gruadian

Course I see how they differ. When did I say anything else? Are you just making things up again to form an argument. I think every paper has its own agenda based on readership and editor or owner. Is that not a given?

[dynamark]

Walker needs his club to hit him hard where it hurts .These guys have to be squeaky clean.I am correct quite a lot of foreign players are back with family in their home countries? Press and TV have gone mad last 2 days with the 'mixed messages' line .Complete botox things stay as they are and on sunday night we get some more information on future plans .Almost need 2 plans the care homes and the rest of the world sadly.

[super_realist]

I'm talking about consistency. Walkers indiscretions are far worse than Jenrick, even though I wouldn't want either sacked, if you are going to ask for one to be sacked then so should the other.

Not quite sure if you grasp the difference in jobs. Ones a government minister, ones a footballer. I'm not sure if sacking every one who didn't quite follow the rules in the country should be sacked. Seems like an awful idea

The difference in jobs makes no difference whatsoever.
I don't want anyone to be sacked for something like this as I'm not for people being sacked every time they make a mistake, however if you are one of these people who does demand sackings of such people then the call for Jenrick and Walker to be sacked should be consistently applied.
The employer at the very least should be incredibly condemnatory, yet I've heard virtually nothing from either the government or Man City. Walker as a serial offender should at least be facing some disciplinary action.

Not really understanding your stance, you don't think people should be sacked, but if anyone does think the government minister needs sacking then so does the local Baker who popped round his mums and sat in the garden?

Do you think all jobs are equal in all walks of life, and that every job should have the same disciplinary process?

No, It seems that whenever any government minister (of any side) is caught doing something they shouldn't, there's a sizeable amount of people calling for them to be sacked UNLESS it's someone they are fond of or for who they share a political allegiance, yet they don't bat an eyelid when a moronic footballer breaks it three times. Manchester City should have instantly put out a press release in regards to this, as should the Tories.

As for your example of someone getting a job on the basis of being married to someone who is an MP, have you never heard of nepotism? It's everywhere, in every party, and in every walk of life. Is it right? Probably not, but it's absolutely guaranteed that Labour is also rife with it too and it's easy enough to find such examples.

[McLaren]

Super "whataboutery" Realist

[McLaren]

Thought this was interesting way to look at excess deaths.

https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1258497092953219072?s=19

In the table "official deaths" are covid deaths as reported by the countries government.

In this table a countries official covid deaths are calculated as a perctage of excess deaths over the period covid has been present in the country.

Some countries have official deaths at 90% or so of excess deaths while the UK is at 54%.

So either the true covid deaths in the UK are much higher (maybe our testing is ineffective) , we have huge collateral damage death rates or something else is currently killing British people.

[super_realist]

Super "whataboutery" Realist

You always say that where it is completely irrelevant.  Whataboutery should only be called out when what is being discussed has no bearing to something else. You bring up stories time and again which you believe are weapons against a government you don't like, when exactly the same stories can be levelled against the party you actually voted for. So why do you bother and what do you hope to prove? What we all already knew?
It's not like you've landed a "GOTCHA!!!" to show that our current government is any worse than any other. What's laughable is that you just did exactly the same to me as you are accusing me of doing to you about 5 posts ago.

On thick as a brick Kyle Walker,  Hertha Berlin have suspended Kalou until the end of the season for transgressions of lockdown, and Man City take no action whatsoever over the "harassed" Walker. Ridiculous of City. Walker has brought his club into disrepute by having no braincells 3 times, it was bad enough when he got a couple of gas cookers in for a night, and then he broke it 2  more times. Just how stupid is this man?

[beninho]

Realist, do you think that a separation from a long term partner, and leaving your 3 children could have a negative impact on someone's mental health?

Not, an excuse. But just by saying stupid footballers, to a person getting family help, is, well, a bit narrow minded.

Though, I would also expect this would mean nothing to you due to your lack of caring for children. Though, I would assume you have been in a relationship which ended?

[kwinigolfer]

Thought this was interesting way to look at excess deaths.

https://twitter.com/PedderSophie/status/1258497092953219072?s=19

In the table "official deaths" are covid deaths as reported by the countries government.

In this table a countries official covid deaths are calculated as a perctage of excess deaths over the period covid has been present in the country.

Some countries have official deaths at 90% or so of excess deaths while the UK is at 54%.

So either the true covid deaths in the UK are much higher (maybe our testing is ineffective) , we have huge collateral damage death rates or something else is currently killing British people.

Mac,
That's the way "Belgium" have always tabulated their "COVID" deaths; it's interesting, but will be even more informative when the timeframes are stretched out a bit - some are very narrow.

I'll be interested also to see that calculation for the US; "Orange Face" has decided that most of his likely voters have either died or are well positioned to dodge the COVID bullet.
So he's saying the future death toll will be less than suicides and drug od's from extended home confinement, satisfied presumably that likely victims in prisons, meat-packing plants, urban communities with heavy black or latino concentrations who will die in their tens of thousands are Drumpf-hating "expendables", liabilities rather than assets on his election balance sheet.

I hope Bozza and his choirboys don't follow the same route . . . . . . . .

[I'm never wrong]

[quote="super_realist"]

Anyone coming into the UK is entering lockdown like everyone else.

It seems they are introducing the policy next month. BBC News - UK 'to bring in 14-day quarantine for air passengers'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52594023


Dont know if I've got the quote thingy right, hard for me to do on a phone

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/MerseyHack/status/1258758842680254465?s=19

I have no words.

[McLaren]

It's idiocy like that which will keep is off the golf course for longer.

[Plunky]

Rumor is that our local courses will open up next week with social distancing, face masks, no carts, and no way for golf balls to get into the hole. Members only. Fingers crossed !

[I'm never wrong]

Had some sad news the other day. A member at my club passed away. I've played with him- a fellow senior - and be was a likeable bloke. He was going to join our Wednesday and Friday group this year. Not sure if it was Covid 19 related as he recently been treated for cancer. But either way, a loss.

[beninho]

https://twitter.com/chrisdeerin/status/1259233860660998145?s=09

Oh look, someone from the government is briefing against Hancock...even a mention of how his brecht views a remain links cause issues within the brecht government. Golly gosh, I'm shocked by this report.

Hope everyone will be staying alert for the invisible virus.

[dynamark]

Morning lads and Plunky.For sure you will be safer on a golf course with some rules than in Tescos.Garden centres is an interesting one because in my experience folk go to garden centres for a morning out wander about look at the flowers spend a fiver and have a coffee so they will need to act in a different way to previously.
Stat today that only 2(two) kids under 15 have covid on death cert and highly likely that they had other health issue and only 300 or so under 45 s.So send all the kids back to school but when they get home send them to their room and slide the food under the door.When they have all had it that's fine.
Seriously I'm hoping for a dose of realism tonight keep shielding the vulnerable get the NHS doing what it has been cancelling and let the rest of us modify our life to suit the new circumstances.

[kwinigolfer]

Lots to agree with there, dyna.

If you have the testing (without having to send samples to the US) and rigorous temp taking, the remaining sticking point should be the ability of the NHS to handle a second-wave surge.
Our little State has had fantastic results over the past four weeks and we're still heavily restricted - at the same time the Guv is telling us to beware of yuuuuuge budget deficits. Well, simple! OPEN the F UP! Golf courses now open, but probably only because so many Vermon'ers have been going out of State to play. Still no "elective" surgery, restaurants or, super (and moi) will be sorry to hear, no barber/hairdresser shops.

[beninho]

The redacted documents have been fully released. Seems that they redacted criticism of the governments plans. One of which was increasing fines. Let's see what happens next.

[kwinigolfer]

The redacted documents have been fully released. Seems that they redacted criticism of the governments plans. One of which was increasing fines. Let's see what happens next.

Plenty of redactions over here as well, ben.

But they can't redact the fact that the US exported more disposable surgical masks and N95 respirator masks in March than in any month for ten years - and the previous high was the previous month. All amidst the burgeoning pandemic and chronic shortages of masks in the states. And this despite a Feb warning from one of Drumpf's key economic advisors back in mid-Feb:
"Has the export of N95 masks been halted? If not, why not? We are facing shortages of raw materials which suggest constrained supply." He was right, of course.

Plenty of redactions in CDC reports which conflict with WH objectives, all whilst security and safety measures are so spot on that there seems to be an outbreak of COVD-19 positives in the WH.

What a shambles - Washington giving Westminster a run for its money.

[beninho]

Single or family golf allowed!

[BlueCoverman]

Super will be round in under an hour!

[kwinigolfer]

Super will be round in under an hour!

In four hours he'll have shot 264

[beninho]

Super will be round in under an hour!

Doubt it, Scotlands not included!

[super_realist]

Realist, do you think that a separation from a long term partner, and leaving your 3 children could have a negative impact on someone's mental health?

Not, an excuse. But just by saying stupid footballers, to a person getting family help, is, well, a bit narrow minded.

Though, I would also expect this would mean nothing to you due to your lack of caring for children. Though, I would assume you have been in a relationship which ended?

Of course it could, but plenty people are in the same or worse position as him and haven't ordered in two hookers and broken the lockdown on a further 2 occasions.
Why are you trying to excuse this moron? You cannot excuse him or any sports star or politician breaking it.
Footballers have it seriously easy comparing the size of their houses, club support, gym access, money etc
Plenty people are adhering to the lockdown whilst living in terrible conditions, yet this entitled idiot feels "harassed", well don't break the lockdown mate and no one will bother you.

[I'm never wrong]

Single or family golf allowed!

As Eddie Pepperell's brother said: course open 10 hours, 10 minute tee times equates to 420 rounds in a week. Difficult to manage I'd say.

My club sent out an email yesterday saying basically "be patient". As far as I'm concerned, they can take as long as they like. I'm in no rush, even though the course looks really good in photos posted by green keepers.

[beninho]

Golfs, normt really a single player game. Obviously done do, but more just a practice thing. It may start up as a novelty for many. But people will try and get out behind a friend and just join up, when a bit out if sight, unless courses send out more people to check.

[I'm never wrong]

I'm just thinking of all those people who are either working from home or furloughed that don't usually play midweek/during the day. They will all be wanting to play now. Just think it will be difficult to accommodate everyone.

[super_realist]

Single or family golf allowed!

As Eddie Pepperell's brother said: course open 10 hours, 10 minute tee times equates to 420 rounds in a week. Difficult to manage I'd say.

My club sent out an email yesterday saying basically "be patient". As far as I'm concerned, they can take as long as they like. I'm in no rush, even though the course looks really good in photos posted by green keepers.

How is that difficult? Most clubs have online tee booking. Change the times to 10 minutes, reduce the players to 2-3, bobs your uncle. Done.

[beninho]

I'm just thinking of all those people who are either working from home or furloughed that don't usually play midweek/during the day. They will all be wanting to play now. Just think it will be difficult to accommodate everyone.

And people will be finding that lots of "brothers" are living with them. Are clubs going to check id? I am struggling to understand why playing with 1 other person isn't allowed. But the message was clear as mud last night anyway.

[I'm never wrong]

How is that difficult? Most clubs have online tee booking. Change the times to 10 minutes, reduce the players to 2-3, bobs your uncle. Done.

I'm not saying it's difficult Super, just saying it will be hard to acommodate all those who want to play. And it's singles only by the way.

[super_realist]

Oh, yeah, definitely hard to accommodate, but in my experience there's definitely times of the day that are very quiet. Summer evenings, weekend mid-late afternoon, etc. Everyone seems determined to play at 9am on a Saturday and Sunday.

St Andrews have intimated it will only be members permitted when play returns, whenever that is, but I might be forced to play with Mac in Edinburgh if I'm not permitted to drive anywhere far.

The pictures of courses I've seen look great from a distance, but close up pictures of greens and tees look terrible, not surprising given that most clubs are operating on minimum maintenance with skeleton staff.

[I'm never wrong]

but I might be forced to play with Mac in Edinburgh if I'm not permitted to drive anywhere far.

You do realise Super that you will have to give Mac extra shots above the handicap difference due to him being so overwhelmed when playing with you....

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