Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

I'm fine with immigration of people who bring value to the country in one way or another, who wouldn't be? What I'm not in favour of is people who bring nothing to the country in terms of skills, education, money etc. I wouldn't expect the many millions of useless Britons to be able to go the other way either just for balance.

What policy is has actively being engaged to stop people of a particular race unable to enter the country anyway? I've not seen any.

[beninho]

The interesting but will be did johnson know? If this happened weeks back, and was kept secret. Who knew and kept it covered up.

In other news who really cares...

It seems a lot of people. But if you don't, you can ignore.

[navyblueshorts]

The interesting but will be did johnson know? If this happened weeks back, and was kept secret. Who knew and kept it covered up.

In other news who really cares...

Sorry. You're on the wrong side of the argument here, Soul. Suspect millions are about to let it be known that they care. Massive **** up here if all is as being reported.

[super_realist]

The interesting but will be did johnson know? If this happened weeks back, and was kept secret. Who knew and kept it covered up.

In other news who really cares...

It seems a lot of people. But if you don't, you can ignore.

I think his point was that you only seem to care about people who are in political opposition to you.

[beninho]

The interesting but will be did johnson know? If this happened weeks back, and was kept secret. Who knew and kept it covered up.

In other news who really cares...

Sorry. You're on the wrong side of the argument here, Soul. Suspect millions are about to let it be known that they care. Massive **** up here if all is as being reported.

What poor old mp is going to be sent to the vriefing today. Someone who will realise they aren't thougjt very highly of! Shapps?

[navyblueshorts]

The interesting but will be did johnson know? If this happened weeks back, and was kept secret. Who knew and kept it covered up.

In other news who really cares...

Sorry. You're on the wrong side of the argument here, Soul. Suspect millions are about to let it be known that they care. Massive **** up here if all is as being reported.

What poor old mp is going to be sent to the vriefing today. Someone who will realise they aren't thougjt very highly of! Shapps?

Could be. If I was part of media, I would get together w/ all the others and each ask only one, and the same, question. Then follow up by asking why whomever didn't answer it...

[super_realist]

Maybe we actually hear some interesting questions instead of the usual crap from the Plank Peston and Myra Hindley

[navyblueshorts]

Maybe we actually hear some interesting questions instead of the usual crap from the Plank Peston and Myra Hindley

Maybe, but annoying that it'll be political, rather than what it should be i.e. virus situation etc.

If I was Johnson, I'd be furious....unless Johnson himself knew when it happened and/or in any way actually sanctioned it. If the latter, think we're in new territory.

[super_realist]

Maybe we actually hear some interesting questions instead of the usual crap from the Plank Peston and Myra Hindley

Maybe, but annoying that it'll be political, rather than what it should be i.e. virus situation etc.

If I was Johnson, I'd be furious....unless Johnson himself knew when it happened and/or in any way actually sanctioned it. If the latter, think we're in new territory.

I really think if Boris wanted it then he could make it a win win situation. Sacking Cummings would be hugely popular, especially among non Tory voters. Seems an obvious thing to do but they've already made an error in not addressing it sooner.

[beninho]

Cummings is so influential at the top end of politics. It will be very hard to just remove him. Every top state secretary has cone out backing him. And according to kuennsburg the tory media mouthpiece, sone new of this. I'd be astounded if johnson didn't.

[McLaren]

If the government continues to condone what Cummings did it undermines all the lockdown regulations.

[beninho]

If the government continues to condone what Cummings did it undermines all the lockdown regulations.

Its happened already. Look at the tweets.

[super_realist]

Cummings is so influential at the top end of politics. It will be very hard to just remove him. Every top state secretary has cone out backing him. And according to kuennsburg the tory media mouthpiece, sone new of this. I'd be astounded if johnson didn't.

It wouldn't be difficult at all to get rid of him. Whether there is a will to do so is a different thing.

[beninho]

So for anything now, the governments legal stance is do what you want to protect your family. As well as is is reasonable.

Lockdowns fallen apart, all to protect Dom.

[navyblueshorts]

So for anything now, the governments legal stance is do what you want to protect your family. As well as is is reasonable.

Lockdowns fallen apart, all to protect Dom.

I think we'll have to wait until early next week and after Sunday news stories have played out. Not surprised there's some resistance and words of support in public at moment, but whether that continues to stand up is another matter.

[kwinigolfer]

Cummings is so influential at the top end of politics. It will be very hard to just remove him. Every top state secretary has cone out backing him. And according to kuennsburg the tory media mouthpiece, sone new of this. I'd be astounded if johnson didn't.

The SAGE people must have known . . . . . . . amazing it hadn't leaked until now. I wonder where he became sick - to read his missuses account, you'd think he was laid pretty low for ten days.

[super_realist]

Cummings is so influential at the top end of politics. It will be very hard to just remove him. Every top state secretary has cone out backing him. And according to kuennsburg the tory media mouthpiece, sone new of this. I'd be astounded if johnson didn't.

The SAGE people must have known . . . . . . . amazing it hadn't leaked until now. I wonder where he became sick - to read his missuses account, you'd think he was laid pretty low for ten days.

Don't see how or why they would necessarily know that.

[beninho]

Grant Shapps!

[super_realist]

Grant Shapps!

Shame it wasn't Patel.

[navyblueshorts]

Grant Shapps!

Ironic, eh? He's getting shredded, but sticking to the line. No surprise.

Think Sunday headlines are going to be brutal.

[beninho]

Some of this is ridiculous. Shapps just making stuff up. This really is all about operation save dom.

[beninho]

Afmnd the Sunday story is coming out, of him being spotted at a later date, and away from the area in the first visit.

Either all those senior cabinet politicians were duped or in on trying to cover it up.

[dynamark]

Can I just make a point .Cummings and his wife were both very poorly.If he had gone to his sisters house 5 miles away in Enfield to make sure his youngster could be safe and cared for would anyone give a stuff?
No

[incontinentia]

Cummings seems like an arrogant pup, lecturing reporters on social distancing outside his house was pretty rich. Between Brexit and coronavirus the UK political system does seem to be an absolute farce.

[navyblueshorts]

Can I just make a point .Cummings and his wife were both very poorly.If he had gone to his sisters house 5 miles away in Enfield to make sure his youngster could be safe and cared for would anyone give a stuff?
No

Nonsense. So poorly that they were able to drive the ~260 miles to Durham. Obviously, they didn't stop for the loo or anything else on the way. What would they have done had they broken down/had an accident? Pathetic, self-entitled winker. Distance is an irrelevance anyway.

Cummings wasn't said to be ill when they left. Get his sister to come get the sprog. Get someone else to take sprog to Durham. Etc. Johnson et al are now losing their political capital over anything good re. Covid over this. Even Hancock and Sunak, who I think have done a decent job, are now putting themselves on the line for this a-hole.

[Davie]

I'm starting to think that these second and possibly third accusations against Cummings have been "planted" by the government so they can later be "disproved" to lessen the impact.

[JAS]

Can I just make a point .Cummings and his wife were both very poorly.If he had gone to his sisters house 5 miles away in Enfield to make sure his youngster could be safe and cared for would anyone give a stuff?
No

The plain and obvious question is, why didnt a non symptomatic relative come and collect the kid? If they had symptoms and they were out that is a blatant breach of lockdown surely?? Are we seriously to believe that he made a 260 mile trip without any stop, either for fuel or with a 4 year old kid, for a piss break somewhere along the line?

I Now wonder what hold/dirt he actually has on senior govt ministers, Calderwood and Ferguson were thrown under the bus by now for much less.

[beninho]

The claim is now, he wasn't ill at the time, but his partner was, so they had to drive away for the protection of the child. And when they got to Durham they all stayed together. So if thats the case, why couldn't they have all stayed together in London? We have to believe that, even though they have family in London, and he is one of the most senior people in politics, they had no one to help out?

And the trip out on the 12th April, which would have been very close to the 14 days, but also necessitated a drive out on Easter Sunday. When we were all told not to. What would the coverage been if tons went to Windsor Park from London on Easter Sunday.

Shapps has been beaten up though, i hope he has been promised a decent new job!

[Davie]

The claim is now, he wasn't ill at the time, but his partner was....

Who is making this fresh claim? That's not what she wrote in the article she wrote for the Spectator(?)

[JAS]

Can I just make a point .Cummings and his wife were both very poorly.If he had gone to his sisters house 5 miles away in Enfield to make sure his youngster could be safe and cared for would anyone give a stuff?
No

Nonsense. So poorly that they were able to drive the ~260 miles to Durham. Obviously, they didn't stop for the loo or anything else on the way. What would they have done had they broken down/had an accident? Pathetic, self-entitled winker. Distance is an irrelevance anyway.

Cummings wasn't said to be ill when they left. Get his sister to come get the sprog. Get someone else to take sprog to Durham. Etc. Johnson et al are now losing their political capital over anything good re. Covid over this. Even Hancock and Sunak, who I think have done a decent job, are now putting themselves on the line for this a-hole.

Ah I replied to Dyna before I read your response Navy which says much the same thing. I’d also add Shapps to that list, up until now I thought he has been one of the better performers, now we know what his face looks like when he’s lying.

[beninho]

The claim is now, he wasn't ill at the time, but his partner was....

Who is making this fresh claim? That's not what she wrote in the article she wrote for the Spectator(?)

My understanding was initially that they drove up with them both being symptomatic. Shapps said today he wasn't symptomatic when he drove up, so can only presume she was. - just saw a govt statement saying this.

I think that spectator article, her radio 4 comments have both proven to have been at best, misleading. Mention of coming out of lockdown into an empty London.

He has some dirt in people.

[beninho]

We’ve never told people specifically where to locate themselves - today from Shapps.

Did I misread the stay home save lives bit on everything?

[JAS]

We’ve never told people specifically where to locate themselves - today from Shapps.

Did I misread the stay home save lives bit on everything?

I can just imagine former Scottish chief medical officer Calderwood hurling objects at her telly when that pish was being spouted by Shapps.

[JAS]

I’m trying to remember the chronology now, did Cummings have it before Johnson?

[dynamark]

Im not saying it was correct thing to do much better to have stayed in his house /flat in London and relied on local support if there was any available. But its only because of the 4 hour drive anyone cares. None of us know just how poorly they were anything specific about the youngster and I think Boris being very sick at the time may have put the wind up.
Plenty of folk have worked thru this plenty gone to live with sick relatives in another home for care reasons important thing when sick or a member of household sick is to do the 7 and 14 day isolation routine. I'm much more concerned about that than where or when

[dynamark]

Calderwood was a different situation .She wasn't sick and was wandering about between her two houses after giving the advice to stay close to home exercise once a day etc.
Ferguson has his lady friend visiting his home again not ill.
Cumming isolated himself and family his best mate is pushing back the grim reaper.If he pays with his job I'm sure he will have no regrets about his priority.

[beninho]

Both the Scottish mp and ferguson where far less riskier then what DC did. If he gets the all clear, after they were outed it tells you what a joke this govt is.

[kwinigolfer]

DC off to 10 DSt. Should be an interesting conversation.

[Davie]

Cumming isolated himself and family his best mate is pushing back the grim reaper.If he pays with his job I'm sure he will have no regrets about his priority.

Of course he will have no regrets. He's inhuman

[Soul Requiem]

Both the Scottish mp and ferguson where far less riskier then what DC did.  If he gets the all clear, after they were outed it tells you what a joke this govt is.

Cry me a river.

[kwinigolfer]

SR,
You'd've been one of the potential at-risk candidates for suffering badly if you'd've used a DC pump - don't know why you take it all so lightly. But then you probably haven't seen someone suffer from it either.

[Soul Requiem]

I'd have to consider what he did to be a danger to other people wouldnt I for that to be in anyway relevant, people only care because of who he is. I don't remember the left wing media caring so much when it was Kinnock jr.

[kwinigolfer]

SR, You're bending yourself over backwards trying to defend the indefensible. If half of what his missus has to say about his condition, he would have been a danger to anyone he came in contact with, whether first- or second-hand.
If that's OK with you, I wouldn't recommend selling you a life insurance policy. Good riddance.

[beninho]

Both the Scottish mp and ferguson where far less riskier then what DC did.  If he gets the all clear, after they were outed it tells you what a joke this govt is.

Cry me a river.

Actually quite like this song.

[dynamark]

DC wasnt putting anyone at risk assuming he didn't wander around a service station for 20 minutes.The Scottish lass was pictured out and about and fergusons lass was coming and going(literally).Cummings may well go for this to put a line under it but he can still use the phone to Bossa.
Ive just been to my sons to cut the grass in front of his new house he wasn't there I didn't come within 10 yards of anyone will I resign from my job ?Got me exercise and did my head a bit of good rather than watching more tv

[super_realist]

Both the Scottish mp and ferguson where far less riskier then what DC did.  If he gets the all clear, after they were outed it tells you what a joke this govt is.

Cry me a river.

Actually quite like this song.

Not surprisingly I can't stand his shrill voice.

[kwinigolfer]

dyna,
Sounds like his wife was in the vehicle stewing in her contamination (with his 4-y-o who is rightly so precious) and, if he wasn't yet known to be infected, DC might well have been at the stage when the virus was at its most potent.
And no word on when/where his ten days were spent when she reckons he was so sick and bedridden. The arithmetic just doesn't add up. Which, I suppose, is not surprising given the cast of characters.

[beninho]

I'd have to consider what he did to be a danger to other people wouldnt I for that to be in anyway relevant, people only care because of who he is. I don't remember the left wing media caring so much when it was Kinnock jr.

You've already said you have no issues with Jenrick so not sure you can have any issues with Kinnock. Though if you have no issues with Cummings, you probably have no issues with anyone going out symptomatic or not? Though I vaguely recall you seemingly being in agreement with lockdown?

[dynamark]

Kwini we just don't have the other half of the story.
The lady in front of me in Tesco picks up a red pepper puts it down picks up another and another and decides she doesn't want one madness.I went to Homebase Friday for a tap leaking in flat above and 40 folk queuing outside(didn't wait),50 cars at macdonalds.20 folk outside my pals bakery shop in the village hes doing good business.No there may be no risk at all but folk are
trying to get back to normal understand that and me too.If we keep our guard up we will be doing our bit and we do have to get some sort of movement in our economy.

[kwinigolfer]

dyna,
No doubt!

But the irony is that, even if only one parent was contaminated (rather than the two which is being reported in places), the worst place for a 4-y-o to be for four hours is in a car. Unless he was wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in the boot.

[navyblueshorts]

I’m trying to remember the chronology now, did Cummings have it before Johnson?

Nope. Johnson ~Mar 27th, Cummins a few days after I think. Johnson only went to hospital on April 5th though, so think he might have been aware...

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