Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[super_realist]

First topic message reminder :

I'm fine with immigration of people who bring value to the country in one way or another, who wouldn't be? What I'm not in favour of is people who bring nothing to the country in terms of skills, education, money etc. I wouldn't expect the many millions of useless Britons to be able to go the other way either just for balance.

What policy is has actively being engaged to stop people of a particular race unable to enter the country anyway? I've not seen any.

[McLaren]

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

Pretty clear.

I have to say I don't understand what Super finds confusing about the guidance. The statement above is clear and both the government and the SGU have reiterated the message several times now.

[super_realist]

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

Pretty clear.

I have to say I don't understand what Super finds confusing about the guidance. The statement above is clear and both the government and the SGU have reiterated the message several times now.

I didn't say it was confusing Mac, I said it was vague and deliberately so.
Furthermore most of my immediate family live near the golf course, so if I'm allowed to travel to see them as per the new instructions then I will play golf whilst I am there.

In addition I don't really give a toss what the Scottish Golf Union are saying about it. They have zero powers and St Andrews Links are not enforcing the five mile advice.

[McLaren]

Super

Then you are breaking the lockdown guidance/law/rules whatever you want to call it. You will just have to live with that and be ok with being seen as one of the idiots that couldn't follow some simple rules for just a few months.

[super_realist]

Super

Then you are breaking the lockdown guidance/law/rules whatever you want to call it. You will just have to live with that and be ok with being seen as one of the idiots that couldn't follow some simple rules for just a few months.

No I'm not breaking the rules, if I happen to visit my family then play golf during the same time I am not breaking any guidance.

In any event, you've said yourself that golf is no different to a walk in the park, so by your logic everyone walking in a park is also an idiot.
Not like I'm gathering with thousands of others on a protest is it?

Are you seriously expecting me to believe you haven't travelled more than 5 miles since Mar 23rd?

[McLaren]

Super

I have not traveled outside the confines of the bypass, the furthest I have been is to the B&Q at Hermiston gate.

Also where are you getting the bit about being able to travel more than 5 miles to visit people?

[super_realist]

Super

I have not traveled outside the confines of the bypass, the furthest I have been is to the B&Q at Hermiston gate.

Also where are you getting the bit about being able to travel more than 5 miles to visit people?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53093007

Read the bit from Monday 22 June,

"That means not traveling more than five miles for leisure and recreation - although that limit does not apply to meeting family and friends"

[navyblueshorts]

Super

I have not traveled outside the confines of the bypass, the furthest I have been is to the B&Q at Hermiston gate.

Also where are you getting the bit about being able to travel more than 5 miles to visit people?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53093007

Read the bit from Monday 22 June,

"That means not traveling more than five miles for leisure and recreation - although that limit does not apply to meeting family and friends"

So, you're using a visit to family/friends to circumvent guidance re. leisure. Not illegal, but suggest not what you should be doing. I'm not bothered as such as so many don't appear to understand what they should be doing, but no more commentary on protests etc please .

[super_realist]

If you can't see the obvious difference between travelling to play golf with one or two other people and the directly irresponsible and far more dangerous  behaviour of a rent a mob gathering in their thousands for hours with zero social distancing then you shouldnt really comment. That would be Mac level analogy failure.

Furthermore, as a single person I now have dispensation to travel and stay in another person's house, and it's not the business of the Scottish Government what I do once I get there. If I want to play golf, it's none of their business, not remotely comparable with the protesting at all, and only a moron would make such an absurd conflation.

[McLaren]

Super

Even if there was a difference it is not for you to rewrite the rules. As it stands you are being asked in pretty strong terms not to travel more than 5 miles to play golf. I know you don't rate the SGU but they have been asked to remind players of this by the government because it is thought of as an important restriction.

[super_realist]

Super

Even if there was a difference it is not for you to rewrite the rules. As it stands you are being asked in pretty strong terms not to travel more than 5 miles to play golf. I know you don't rate the SGU but they have been asked to remind players of this by the government because it is thought of as an important restriction.

I'm not bending the rules. I'm entitled to go and stay somewhere else as a single person. It is not for the Scottish Government to tell me how to spend my time once I am there.

Do you seriously think that the government expects me to do zero leisure activities once I get to my designated accommodation that they themselves allow me to travel to?

As I stated earlier, the St Andrews Links have stated it is not their policy or business to police the 5 mile guidance.

[McLaren]

It is not for the Scottish Government to tell me how to spend my time once I am there.

Well, actually it is.

[super_realist]

It is not for the Scottish Government to tell me how to spend my time once I am there.

Well, actually it is.

Nonsense Mac, we don't live in a police state. I have the right to stay at one household outside of my own. The government make no mention of me not being allowed to do any activities whilst there.
I know you'd love for that to be the case, but it isn't.

So basically you don't have an argument. You're just bitter that I'm allowed another household to stay in and that I get to play golf at my home course.
What could you possibly have against me staying at another house which I'm permitted to do and playing golf, going cycling, fishing, walking, running or any other activity whilst I'm there?

[McLaren]

Super

Is the household you have picked withing 5 miles of TOC?

[super_realist]

Super

Is the household you have picked withing 5 miles of TOC?

Yes, and you've already said that golf is no worse than going for a walk, so what's your problem?

[McLaren]

Yeh but I don't get to make the rules. And if I did the 5 mile rule would be in place. Makes sense to keep people off the roads for unnecessary journeys.

[super_realist]

Don't you get it Mac, the Scottish Government have given people the right to travel further than 5 miles to visit friends and relatives  and they have given single people the opportunity to nominate another place to stay. Sorry that sticks in your craw, but it's a fact.
Whether I play golf whilst I'm there is not really any of your business.
Why does it make sense to keep people off the road? How is that increasing risk? Also, I'm sure as a woke representative that you were all in favour of the recent protests and thought the lack of social distancing was perfectly acceptable.

[McLaren]

They said those living alone could nominate another household to stay with. Not those that are single. Do you live alone?

And anyway, this rule was not in place for all the rounds you have played so far.

Also do you not see it as a moral duty to try and minimise the effects of covid, and therefore do what ever you can to follow the guidance?

[JAS]

On the more general point and as I started to highlight a couple of weeks ago, the Scottish daily new cases rate has now been in teens and 20s for quite some time and death rate typically single figures as opposed to the UK rates which are stuck around 1100-1500 cases and 180-300 deaths. Statistically UK rates should be about 12-13 times the Scottish rate and for a time they were averaging around that. Now they are not, was that Krankie's insistence on sticking to lockdown for an extra 2-3 weeks? better compliance in general? Who knows but in the grand scheme of things it would appear that Supers interpretation of the rules are a lot less damaging than hordes piling to the beach or congregating for a bit of statue destruction or defending. Common sense prevailing over blinded lunacy...who knew??

[super_realist]

They said those living alone could nominate another household to stay with. Not those that are single. Do you live alone?

And anyway, this rule was not in place for all the rounds you have played so far.

Also do you not see it as a moral duty to try and minimise the effects of covid, and therefore do what ever you can to follow the guidance?

Yes Mac I do live alone, as you are always keen to remind me.
I am following the guidance and even before this week it was couched under the heading of "advice" and "suggested" it was never mandatory as you will have seen from the Scottish protests which were never policed and barely even acknowledged as breaking restrictions.

I have never done anything which has increased the risk. I have never been within two metres of another person and I have never been anywhere indoors whilst playing golf.
In fact the only buildings I have been in since lockdown began are my home and shops
You are being a pedant simply because that's how peevish you are.

[McLaren]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

[JAS]

They said those living alone could nominate another household to stay with. Not those that are single. Do you live alone?

And anyway, this rule was not in place for all the rounds you have played so far.

Also do you not see it as a moral duty to try and minimise the effects of covid, and therefore do what ever you can to follow the guidance?

Everybody should see it as their moral duty to minimise the effects of Covid

Does that necessarily mean you should follow EVERY dictat from politicians who have presided over the worlds 3rd highest body count, 2nd highest death per head of population rate...in spite of 2-3 weeks behind the curve of earlier infected countries with lessons pouring out of them left right and centre??

Yes they have the best scientists giving them the best advice, are they taking every piece of advice from scientists and passing it on word for word? Do all the scientists agree? Either way, personal responsibility should draw you back to doing your moral duty to minimise the effects of Covid. I think most of us are well capable of doing that and if that deviates a bit from advice contrived by a group containing people who think its ok to drive 50 miles to test their eyesight then I don't have a problem with that.

Unfortunately I think a lot of moral authority was lost in the Cummings episode, defending him more so than the episode itself.

[super_realist]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Im sure there is Mac.
You should brush up on the difference between what rules are and what guidance means though.

No wonder I took a while off when I'm faced with nonsense like this.

[incontinentia]

I think its pretty clear you're in the right here super

[navyblueshorts]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Of course he doesn't. As far as I can see, it still says:

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

So, yes, it may not be illegal, but I'd suggest it's against the obvious spirit of what is meant. I'm not surprised - here in the UK, it appears to be assumed people will do what's best for others and that individual members of the public are better placed to decide what's right. What an idiotic assumption.

[incontinentia]

I actually broke the restrictions a lot myself. One day I was stopped by the same cop at 2 different checkpoints in 2 different towns about 10 km apart. She was pretty cool about it though and I didnt get in trouble

[super_realist]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Of course he doesn't. As far as I can see, it still says:

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

So, yes, it may not be illegal, but I'd suggest it's against the obvious spirit of what is meant. I'm not surprised - here in the UK, it appears to be assumed people will do what's best for others and that individual members of the public are better placed to decide what's right. What an idiotic assumption.

You are deliberately missing that I effectively have use of a second home, and from that address it would be absolutely ridiculous to suggest I couldn't take part in leisure activities whilst there just because it is more than five miles from my primary home.

I see cyclists on my Strava app who are doing up to 100 miles a day, Where's your fake indignation about them?

Strange also that you can't say in what way I am increasing the risk and its also obvious that you aren't looking at this from a point of view other than your own situation. Try living on your own for 12 weeks and then condemn me.

[Pal Joey]

I actually broke the restrictions a lot myself. One day I was stopped by the same cop at 2 different checkpoints in 2 different towns about 10 km apart. She was pretty cool about it though and I didnt get in trouble

Really? So you didn't notice that she handcuffed you the first time?

[beninho]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Of course he doesn't. As far as I can see, it still says:

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

So, yes, it may not be illegal, but I'd suggest it's against the obvious spirit of what is meant. I'm not surprised - here in the UK, it appears to be assumed people will do what's best for others and that individual members of the public are better placed to decide what's right. What an idiotic assumption.

You are deliberately missing that I effectively have use of a second home, and from that address it would be absolutely ridiculous to suggest I couldn't take part in leisure activities whilst there just because it is more than five miles from my primary home.

I see cyclists on my Strava app who are doing up to 100 miles a day, Where's your fake indignation about them?

Strange also that you can't say in what way I am increasing the risk and its also obvious that you aren't looking at this from a point of view other than your own situation. Try living on your own for 12 weeks and then condemn me.

Like Kyle Walkers situation when you went all in on him for seeing his family and having a cuddle? Breaking the guidelines. Even though he was recently separated and not able to see his children?

[McLaren]

Super

What we are trying to get you to accept is that everyone has activities they think they could do with little to no risk but can't because the guidance says you can't.

It is clear that you can as of today travel to stay with a friend outside the 5 mile rule, but I have no idea what you can do when you get there. The way I read the regs you are meant to stay within the bubble of that home. Maybe someone can find something to clear this up.

But the rounds you played before today were in contravention of the guidance. Do you accept that?

[McLaren]

Also I am sorry if the isolation has been tough on you. I honestly didn't think it would bother you. Maybe you are softer than your persona on here suggests.

[super_realist]

I can admit I bent the rules a bit, but I only played two rounds you pedant.
For Navy to say this precludes me criticising the ridiculously irresponsible protests in London and elsewhere is absolutely laughable.

[super_realist]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Of course he doesn't. As far as I can see, it still says:

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

So, yes, it may not be illegal, but I'd suggest it's against the obvious spirit of what is meant. I'm not surprised - here in the UK, it appears to be assumed people will do what's best for others and that individual members of the public are better placed to decide what's right. What an idiotic assumption.

You are deliberately missing that I effectively have use of a second home, and from that address it would be absolutely ridiculous to suggest I couldn't take part in leisure activities whilst there just because it is more than five miles from my primary home.

I see cyclists on my Strava app who are doing up to 100 miles a day, Where's your fake indignation about them?

Strange also that you can't say in what way I am increasing the risk and its also obvious that you aren't looking at this from a point of view other than your own situation. Try living on your own for 12 weeks and then condemn me.

Like Kyle Walkers situation when you went all in on him for seeing his family and having a cuddle? Breaking the guidelines. Even though he was recently separated and not able to see his children?

Kyle Walker was hiring in a couple of hookers Ben and then using his finest logic blamed it on "mental illness"
I didn't have physical contact with anyone. I simply played a couple of rounds of golf. Not even remotely comparable.

[Soul Requiem]

The levels of fake indignation on here are predictably astounding. Comparing a solitary round of golf to acquiring the services of two sex workers is interesting to say the least.

[McLaren]

Soul

One person made that comparison, and probably in a comic tone.

My point concerns the morality of following the guidance and whether people should flaunt the rules when they see fit.

[incontinentia]

I actually broke the restrictions a lot myself. One day I was stopped by the same cop at 2 different checkpoints in 2 different towns about 10 km apart. She was pretty cool about it though and I didnt get in trouble

Really? So you didn't notice that she handcuffed you the first time?

That had nothing to do with enforcing covid-19 restrictions 

[beninho]

Super

Do you accept that it would be possible to take an action that is low risk but still not following government rules?

Of course he doesn't. As far as I can see, it still says:

People should continue to stay in their local area as much as possible and should not travel more than broadly five miles for leisure or recreation.

So, yes, it may not be illegal, but I'd suggest it's against the obvious spirit of what is meant. I'm not surprised - here in the UK, it appears to be assumed people will do what's best for others and that individual members of the public are better placed to decide what's right. What an idiotic assumption.

You are deliberately missing that I effectively have use of a second home, and from that address it would be absolutely ridiculous to suggest I couldn't take part in leisure activities whilst there just because it is more than five miles from my primary home.

I see cyclists on my Strava app who are doing up to 100 miles a day, Where's your fake indignation about them?

Strange also that you can't say in what way I am increasing the risk and its also obvious that you aren't looking at this from a point of view other than your own situation. Try living on your own for 12 weeks and then condemn me.

Like Kyle Walkers situation when you went all in on him for seeing his family and having a cuddle? Breaking the guidelines. Even though he was recently separated and not able to see his children?

Kyle Walker was hiring in  a couple of hookers Ben and then using his finest logic blamed it on "mental illness"
I didn't have physical contact with anyone. I simply played a couple of rounds of golf. Not even remotely comparable.

But you also went ape about him meeting his family and hugging one of them. You wanted him publicly reprimanded.

[beninho]

The levels of fake indignation on here are predictably astounding. Comparing a solitary round of golf to acquiring the services of two sex workers is interesting to say the least.

No one has done that. Are you making things up again? You dirty little liar.

[beninho]

I'm guessing everyone has a line that they think is OK to break the guidelines. Its down to that person. But, when you have decided what your line is, its hard to criticise other people for where they have a line.

[beninho]

Nope. Stop making stuff up though. Not a good look. Though it does seem to be one of your things.

[beninho]

You know exactly what you were insinuating so drop the act you little child.

I will drop it, when you confirm you just lied. And maybe apologise for not reading it properly. Its pretty simple, and we can all see you made it up. I'm  unsure why you did though. Care to explain?

Like I said you're like a spoilt little brat, you are fully aware of what you were insinuating.

Really don't want go own up to making a mistake do you?

[Soul Requiem]

You know exactly what you were insinuating so drop the act you little child.

I will drop it, when you confirm you just lied. And maybe apologise for not reading it properly. Its pretty simple, and we can all see you made it up. I'm  unsure why you did though. Care to explain?

Like I said you're like a spoilt little brat, you are fully aware of what you were insinuating.

Really don't want go own up to making a mistake do you?

If you can't see that the two things are linked then that says more about you than it does me, the irritation at Walker was his multiple breaches including the more serious first instance but you decided to manipulate that outrage to focus on the second instance. So you tell me who is manipulating things?

[beninho]

All fine, but I wasn't making any comparison to Sr and banging hookers. You decided to make that assumption yourself, and used it to feel enraged about the comparison which didn't actually happen.

[beninho]

On a separate issue, anyone watched Succession? Part way through season 1 and its very good!

[super_realist]

Soul

One person made that comparison, and probably in a comic tone.

My point concerns the morality of following the guidance and whether people should flaunt the rules when they see fit.

Why don't you blame the Scottish Government's advice for being so open to interpretation and using words which permit the public to use it to their advantage.
Still not heard from you how I increased the risk of spread.

I bet you were at the BLM march in Edinburgh anyway given how woke you are, so I very much doubt you have a better leg to stand on.

[super_realist]

What do people think of all the ridiculous censuring going on in regards to TV programmes, songs etc?
I despise Swing Low Sweet Chariot but even putting it up for review is just absurdly stupid.

[superflyweight]

Soul

One person made that comparison, and probably in a comic tone.

My point concerns the morality of following the guidance and whether people should flaunt the rules when they see fit.

Why don't you blame the Scottish Government's advice for being so open to interpretation and using words which permit the public to use it to their advantage.
Still not heard from you how I increased the risk of spread.

I bet you were at the BLM march in Edinburgh anyway given how woke you are, so I very much doubt you have a better leg to stand on.

Issues of social distancing aside and whether or not someone attended the march, using the term "woke" to describe someone who symptahises with/supports what is an anti-racist movement is reductive and fairly consistent with the language used by those who oppose the sentiments expressed by that movement.

Not sure I would want to align myself in that way with people that hold those types of views, unless I held those views myself...

[dynamark]

Ahh this is more like it gents and ladies .I thought SLSC had been around forever but apparently not.Im happy to repeat we cannot rewrite history songs street names etc.
Our CEO posted this week that when he went to school in Leicester 40 years ago the Asian lads were let out of school 10 mins before the rest so they got home safe from the skinheads now the same school is the exact opposite probably 80 % Asian.
Golf related again 30 years back Leics golf club had no black members -now bacon is off the clubhouse menu as voted by the committee

[beninho]

What do people think of all the ridiculous censuring going on in regards to TV programmes, songs etc?
I despise Swing Low Sweet Chariot but even putting it up for review is just absurdly stupid.

No issues with the faulty towers one, it seems the bbc edited the n*****s and w*g scene a while ago, and I'd be very surprised if any TV station was showing it on TV anyway.

Swing low seems bonkers, removing uncle Ben the same. Little Britain was funny, but is very much of its time.

[JAS]

What do people think of all the ridiculous censuring going on in regards to TV programmes, songs etc?
I despise Swing Low Sweet Chariot but even putting it up for review is just absurdly stupid.

Pretty sick of it to be fair especially re comedy shows from years ago. Who the hell are this generation to judge any other generation?? This generation by and large have stood by and did nothing (Other than continue to vote for a status quo) whilst neoliberal governments have rode on the horseback of greed, generated ridiculous and unsustainable differences in inequality causing obscene amounts of poverty and homelessness. Now all of a sudden, whether through guilt triggered by a grotesque cop killing or fear generated by a pandemic some have developed a conscience and rather than raging at the here and now are all angry about history. They should give their heads a wobble and ask themselves why they never saw this coming.

[super_realist]

What do people think of all the ridiculous censuring going on in regards to TV programmes, songs etc?
I despise Swing Low Sweet Chariot but even putting it up for review is just absurdly stupid.

No issues with the faulty towers one, it seems the bbc edited the n*****s and w*g scene a while ago, and I'd be very surprised if any TV station was showing it on TV anyway.

Swing low seems bonkers, removing uncle Ben the same. Little Britain was funny, but is very much of its time.

The whole point of Fawlty Towers was to show how out of touch, living in the past and small minded Basil Fawlty was and the old major was always an old colonial duffer, the satire was the point and quite forward thinking for the time.
I've never seen much of Little Britain, but I've never ever found either Matt Lucas or David Walliams remotely funny.

The statues are also pretty bonkers, I see Mac has graffitied one in my neighbourhood.

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