Another Drive4show 'Anything goes' thread

[JuliusHMarx]

First topic message reminder :

How have some individuals got to the point where all they do is whinge and moan and complain about other people without any sense of compassion for those less well off than themselves through no fault of their own?

[JuliusHMarx]

Shebang? Is that gender bias? Speaking of which, the BBC have started using the term Fisherpeople instead of Fishermen. Perhaps they should actually look up the origin of the term man/men in that context.

Oh my Cod. I can't believe what I'm herring. Etc. etc.

[beninho]

You just codn't hake it up...

[beninho]

I'm all in with Trumo now. It was Hugo Chavez. Of course it was.

[JAS]

Shebang? Is that gender bias? Speaking of which, the BBC have started using the term Fisherpeople instead of Fishermen. Perhaps they should actually look up the origin of the term man/men in that context.

Oh my Cod. I can't believe what I'm herring. Etc. etc.

I really wish the silly Bass-t@rds at the Beeb would just stop Carping on from their lofty perch all this loachsome PC nonsense!!

[super_realist]

I wish they'd do something about the worst fish of all, the Sturgeon.

[JAS]

I wish they'd do something about the worst fish of all, the Sturgeon.

Doesn't caviar come from Sturgeons? i.e. revolting and expensive :-p

[superflyweight]

I wish they'd do something about the worst fish of all, the Sturgeon.

Doesn't caviar come from Sturgeons? i.e. revolting and expensive :-p

I quite like caviar, but there's a time and a plaice for it.

[super_realist]

I hake to halibut in, but we're really floundering now.

[JuliusHMarx]

I can think of a marillion more fish puns.

[Pal Joey]

Well school us with some... seeing you're so breaming with confidence. Otherwise you're a greater weever than I thought!

[superflyweight]

I'd like to see some more porpoise to these posts.

[Pal Joey]

Yeah fair point, I guess we all candiru better.

[JAS]

Yeah fair point, I guess we all candiru better.

I suppose we can keep these puns going every day of the week barramundi

[I'm never wrong]

Permanent Secretary to the Home Office resigns over accusations of bullying by Home Secretary. PM's advisor finds her guilty of breaking Ministerial Code (HERE), but Boris rejects his findings, so Advisor resigns. Doesn't look good.

[super_realist]

Permanent Secretary to the Home Office resigns over accusations of bullying by Home Secretary. PM's advisor finds her guilty of breaking Ministerial Code (HERE), but Boris rejects his findings, so Advisor resigns. Doesn't look good.

You missed out that she was also found not guilty of doing it intentionally which is probably the crucial point. 
I've no doubt she is probably a hard person to work for though, she's a pretty brusque type of person.

[I'm never wrong]

You missed out that she was also found not guilty of doing it intentionally which is probably the crucial point. 
I've no doubt she is probably a hard person to work for though, she's a pretty brusque type of person.

In my view, whether doing it intentionally or not doesn't matter. A person in her position should be aware of what she is doing. The fact that she has apologised for her behaviour says it all.

[super_realist]

You missed out that she was also found not guilty of doing it intentionally which is probably the crucial point. 
I've no doubt she is probably a hard person to work for though, she's a pretty brusque type of person.

In my view, whether doing it intentionally or not doesn't matter. A person in her position should be aware of what she is doing. The fact that she has apologised for her behaviour says it all.

Of course she should. I don't think there is any excuse not to be a decent person, but if the Civil Service goes straight to a tribunal without attempting to address and resolve the issue then its rather back to front. 
To be fair, everyone is very quick to claim they are being "bullied" these days, I imagine it's very overplayed.

[Soul Requiem]

Just comes across as a load of men not wanting to be told what to do by a woman, the horror of some shouting and swearing.

[superflyweight]

They want to try being a trainee or junior lawyer in a law firm and having to deal with Partners who think they're God and whom HR have zero power over. Times are changing a bit now (mostly because of open plan) but when I was a junior it was rough.

Remember a trainee who I shared a room with having a file thrown at him followed by a Partner screaming in his face asking him what he'd been taught at "THAT SHEEP-SHAGGING UNIVERSITY YOU WENT TO" (he'd been at Aberdeen uni). Don't know how he managed to keep a straight face because I was in pieces trying not to laugh so as not to make it worse.

[McLaren]

Just comes across as a load of men not wanting to be told what to do by a woman, the horror of some shouting and swearing.

I do have some sympathy for this idea. I am sure she is not a pleasant person but you have to wonder if a man would be hauled over the coals for identical behavior?

[JAS]

You missed out that she was also found not guilty of doing it intentionally which is probably the crucial point. 
I've no doubt she is probably a hard person to work for though, she's a pretty brusque type of person.

In my view, whether doing it intentionally or not doesn't matter. A person in her position should be aware of what she is doing. The fact that she has apologised for her behaviour says it all.

Of course she should. I don't think there is any excuse not to be a decent person, but if the Civil Service goes straight to a tribunal without attempting to address and resolve the issue then its rather back to front. 
To be fair, everyone is very quick to claim they are being "bullied" these days, I imagine it's very overplayed.

A breach of the ministerial code? Yes or No? The fact that she has apologised and the guy that looks after adherence to the ministerial code has resigned tells you all you need to know.

If any of us were stopped by the Whitecaps (that's traffic police - no racial overtones intended) and we said. "Sorry my speeding was unintentional" Would we expect to get away with it? I think that's a fairly emphatic NO. Therefore every time something like this happens the drip drip drip of politicians having one rule for themselves and one for everybody else gets reinforced. Big bawheid either doesn't get that or doesn't care (having an 80 seat majority its probably the latter). Lets be honest how many are going to walk into polling booths in 2024 and think " Oh yeah I remember in Nov 2020 Johnson effectively condoned bullying - I must vote the Tories out"

[super_realist]

I don't really think it's anything to do with an 80 seat majority. Pretty sure everyone will have had a boss who is a bit of a Jason Kokrak in their time.
This whole thing sounds like a bit of a fuss over nothing. If I worked for the Home Office I'm not expecting a  cosy collegiate  work environment. I'd expect a bollocking if I did something wrong.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend Patel or the Government, just sounds like some people being a bit soft and thin skinned.

Furthermore, does anyone actually give any credence to politicians apologies? One thing I'll give Skeletor Corbyn credit is that he doesn't apologise for anything because he knows no one will believe him and he doesn't mean it.

[navyblueshorts]

Shebang? Is that gender bias? Speaking of which, the BBC have started using the term Fisherpeople instead of Fishermen. Perhaps they should actually look up the origin of the term man/men in that context.

Maybe our species should become 'hupeople' next.

[I'm never wrong]

By the way, I'm not trying to defend Patel or the Government, just sounds like some people being a bit soft and thin skinned.

but if the Civil Service goes straight to a tribunal without attempting to address and resolve the issue then its rather back to front. To be fair, everyone is very quick to claim they are being "bullied" these days, I imagine it's very overplayed.

Well, I am going to play devils advocate here. How do you know that this hasn't been going on a long time and they have gone through other steps to resolve it without success? You don't. So on the information we are presented with, I think it stinks.

[Soul Requiem]

By the way, I'm not trying to defend Patel or the Government, just sounds like some people being a bit soft and thin skinned.

but if the Civil Service goes straight to a tribunal without attempting to address and resolve the issue then its rather back to front. To be fair, everyone is very quick to claim they are being "bullied" these days, I imagine it's very overplayed.

Well, I am going to play devils advocate here. How do you know that this hasn't been going on a long time and they have gone through other steps to resolve it without success? You don't. So on the information we are presented with, I think it stinks.

So not presented with all the information.

[super_realist]

By the way, I'm not trying to defend Patel or the Government, just sounds like some people being a bit soft and thin skinned.

but if the Civil Service goes straight to a tribunal without attempting to address and resolve the issue then its rather back to front. To be fair, everyone is very quick to claim they are being "bullied" these days, I imagine it's very overplayed.

Well, I am going to play devils advocate here. How do you know that this hasn't been going on a long time and they have gone through other steps to resolve it without success? You don't. So on the information we are presented with, I think it stinks.

Because it was reported that the Home Office and the individuals involved  didn't go through the proper grievance process. According to the report I heard on the news Patel had not been warned about her conduct and had not been communicated that her behavior was causing a problem. Have you heard any reports to the contrary?

[I'm never wrong]

Because it was reported that the Home Office and the individuals involved  didn't go through the proper grievance process. According to the report I heard on the news Patel had not been warned about her conduct and had not been communicated that her behavior was causing a problem. Have you heard any reports to the contrary?

BBC saying that Sir Phillip Rutnam had "encouraged" the Home Secretary "to change her behaviour". Whether that was before he resigned I don't know.

[super_realist]

Well there we go. We have conflicting reports

[super_realist]

Why do the government and government scientists keep making these infantile analogies instead of just giving a clear answer to a question. Enough of planes, cars, tunnels, etc. Just answer the bloody question.

[beninho]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

[beninho]

The definition of bullying adopted by the civil service accepts that legitimate, reasonable and constructive criticism of a worker’s performance will not amount to bullying. It defines bullying as intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. Instances of the behaviour reported to the Cabinet Office would meet such a definition.

[Soul Requiem]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

Look what the cat dragged in.

[BlueCoverman]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

Priti Patel has been my MP since 2010. I have met her on a number of occasions and she has never been anything but charming, hard-working and helpful. I can assure you Ben, she is the complete opposite of stupid and awful.

[Soul Requiem]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

Priti Patel has been my MP since 2010. I have met her on a number of occasions and she has never been anything but charming, hard-working and helpful. I can assure you Ben, she is the complete opposite of stupid and awful.

I've had the pleasure of meeting her at party conferences and agree with you fully. I can see how people get a false impression because she unfortunately isn't a great public speaker and tends to buckle under media scrutiny.

[super_realist]

The definition of bullying adopted by the civil service accepts that legitimate, reasonable and constructive criticism of a worker’s performance will not amount to bullying. It defines bullying as intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. Instances of the behaviour reported to the Cabinet Office would meet such a definition.

You mean subjective things?
Feeling "uncomfortable" is a truly pathetic component of what constitutes "bullying". Who hasn't felt uncomfrtable at work, yet how many go running to their HR department crying that they're being bullied
How wet and feeble have people become?

[beninho]

The definition of bullying adopted by the civil service accepts that legitimate, reasonable and constructive criticism of a worker’s performance will not amount to bullying. It defines bullying as intimidating or insulting behaviour that makes an individual feel uncomfortable, frightened, less respected or put down. Instances of the behaviour reported to the Cabinet Office would meet such a definition.

You mean subjective things?
Feeling "uncomfortable" is a truly pathetic component of what constitutes "bullying". Who hasn't felt uncomfrtable at work, yet how many go running to their HR department crying that they're being bullied
How wet and feeble have people become?

Do you manage people?

[beninho]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

Look what the cat dragged in.

Charming.

[beninho]

Its good to know that the minister in charge of the home office is so stupid she doesn't realise that she is bullying people with her behaviour.

She is so awful.

Priti Patel has been my MP since 2010. I have met her on a number of occasions and she has never been anything but charming, hard-working and helpful. I can assure you Ben, she is the complete opposite of stupid and awful.

At work I deal with John Mcdonnell. Great for his constituents, hard working and helpful. Lots of people think he's awful for his views.

She may be a lovely person and kisses her mum. Still think her views are awful. And it seems her management style isn't far off awful.

[super_realist]

You have my sympathies to share space with McDonnel, but at least it's not Flabbot.

Yes, I have managed people at times, I'm never a Jason Kokrak though but then I don't work under the stress of The Home Office. I'd expect it to be difficult, stressful, uncomfortable and I'd seriously expect to have to be at the top of my game at all times. 
If you can't deal with that, it's probably not the role for you. 
Akin to being a stockbroker or in the forces.

[beninho]

Had a lovely twitter debate with a guy who claims that he searched TV and film appearances and ended up with pages of child p@rn. Sounds genuine. I love and hate getting involved with the cranks.

[beninho]

You have my sympathies to share space with McDonnel, but at least it's not Flabbot.

Yes, I have managed people at times, I'm never a Jason Kokrak though but then I don't work under the stress of The Home Office. I'd expect it to be difficult, stressful, uncomfortable and I'd seriously expect to have to be at the top of my game at all times. 
If you can't deal with that, it's probably not the role for you. 
Akin to being a stockbroker or in the forces.

Mcdonnell fights hard for his constituents, its what anyone would want. Boris, obviously dials it in, and turns up for photo opps. Anyway, I manage 13 people, if I made them feel uncomfortable I think thats my failings rather then their failings.

[beninho]

I grew up thinking chicken Kiev was a treat, well excited to have it when younger. So brought some for me and tge boy tonight. Turned his nose up at them with chips and peas. Very upsetting.

[super_realist]

I always thought the sight of Chicken  Kiev is pretty revolting. So much of eating is with the eyes and that looks frightful.


In regards to management if you have an employee who continues to perform inadequately despite sufficient support and training and a comment makes them feel uncomfortable big bloody deal. It's hardly something which constitutes bullying.

I suppose what matters most is what is meant by uncomfortable. If someone is told that they're work isn't up to par and that makes them uncomfortable then I don't see that is bullying.

[McLaren]

I grew up thinking chicken Kiev was a treat, well excited to have it when younger. So brought some for me and tge boy tonight. Turned his nose up at them with chips and peas. Very upsetting.

The Waitrose ones are good. I still see it as a treat.

[super_realist]

I grew up thinking chicken Kiev was a treat, well excited to have it when younger. So brought some for me and tge boy tonight. Turned his nose up at them with chips and peas. Very upsetting.

The Waitrose ones are good. I still see it as a treat.

They're like a rubbish Scotch Egg.

[navyblueshorts]

I grew up thinking chicken Kiev was a treat, well excited to have it when younger. So brought some for me and tge boy tonight. Turned his nose up at them with chips and peas. Very upsetting.

The Waitrose ones are good. I still see it as a treat.

They're like a rubbish Scotch Egg.

Which is saying something as Scotch Eggs are awful.

[super_realist]

Apparently XR's latest tactic is to encourage people to take out loans and mortgages and not pay them.  Genius. 

Who'd lend them money? Surely time they just remodelled themselves as an anti capitalism doomsday cult instead of hiding behind climate protests.

[beninho]

Should the MPs who tried to influence the sentencing of the ex tory mp convicted of sexual assault by writing on house of commons paper be suspended?

Just trying to find out opinions on this.

[super_realist]

Should the MPs who tried to influence the sentencing of the ex tory mp convicted of sexual assault by writing on house of commons paper be suspended?

Just trying to find out opinions on this.

I haven't heard this particular story, so I don't even know what party the MP's responsible were from but as far as I know it's illegal to attempt to influence the outcome of an ongoing case (which is why broadcasters never talk about live cases with their opinion or in any way which could influence the outcome), so they they should certainly face the appropriate action if they are found to have broken any laws, especially if it could jeopardise the likelihood of a case being completed and a successful conviction. Such interference has led to cases being thrown out before so it's a serious matter and their action could have led to the accused being let off.

Is the case of an MP being tried for anything the business of any other MP? They should probably keep out of it.

[McLaren]

Hang them.

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